RE:[IAC#RG]

14/1015

I would say alternatives would be Azam or owaisi on one side and Sania Mirza on other.Why Not? Even Dawood is not hated by majority. It has to be a politician at the one extreme and Dawood till 1993 had nothing against him except a small time don dispensing on the spot justice for a consideration.

I don,t agree with one bit of what you have accused Dr. Kalam of. When where does the US influence come? During the 3 months he spent in U.S when sent by the Govt. in one of their institution. In fact he came to realise that nly strength gets respect in Int. relations and tried all the time India be strong , technologically advanced and self sufficient in defense needs.

After reading his books- Wings of Fire and India 2020 outlining his vision for the country, I am convinced that there is nothing you can accuse him of?

Where does AAp come in the picture?

Who conferred Padma Bhusan and Padma Vibhusan on him-congress party under Indira/Rajive Gandhi. So how does he become anti congress?

 If BJP made him the President, not as a politician or party man as Congress had been doing all-along how does it diminish is stature?

It is all by way of digression, as the real issue is communal disharmony,unprovoked violence
on religious issues and how to deal with it and prevent recurrence of such events as happened in Dadri.The real culprits are the politicians who fan the communal feeling for vote bank politics through the fanatic fringe. State Govt. of UP and Bihar where such incidents occur from time to time since independence should take the responsibility as law and order and prevention of crimes is a state subject.

REgds

JKGaur

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:24:07 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re:[IAC#RG]

I find the usage of APJ Kalam and Dawood Ibrahim by Ms. Mustafa to be
spot on when it comes to stereo-typing Muslims by majoritarian
fanatics, and very tongue-in-cheek because its an open secret that US
sponsored rogues like BJP and AAP love APJK because he systematically
destroyed India's munitions and ordnance industry with his
incompetence (and promotion of incompetents), and it is a toss-up
between who has damaged India more - APJK or Dawood.
 
PS: What were the alternatives - Irfan Pathan versus Sania Mirza ?
 
Sarbajit
 
On 10/12/15, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 12/10/15
> Where is the civil society today? It is totally fragmented. It is
> ideologically divided on religious and political affiliations.Members of
> political parties have to toe the party line-whether it is Congress or BJP
> or other regional parties including communists who are neither a national
> party nor a regional party. Similarly people are polarised on religious
> beliefs.Yet the fight against crime and injustice has to go on.
> Unfortunately even the legal system is not helpful in securing speedy and
> swift justice.I feel the use of ex-president Kalam alongwith D. Ibrahim is
> most inappropriate. Calling him a technocrat or anti-congress or without
> family strings is belittling his contribution to this country and humanity
> at large.RegdsJKGaur
>
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 22:04:14 +0530
> From: kiranshaheen@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re:[IAC#RG]
>
> Agree with KN. Given the Dadri killing today we held a protest march at
> Jantar Mantar, good presence yet even the progressive middle class except
> the activist section was absent. Another problem is that the creative
> sections of the civil society is hardly seen on the ground and very much
> satisfied with glass house discussions.
>  Kiran ShaheenFIND WHAT YOU LOVE AND LET IT KILL YOU - Bukovski
>
>
>
> On 2 October 2015 at 10:19, Kn Panikkar <knpanikkar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Seema,I read your excellent piece. The question is what the secular
> forces  are going to do about it? Is n't it time that some major initiative
> is taken by the civil society? The situation seems to be gettinmg out of
> control.KNPanikkar
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Seema Mustafa <seemamustafa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> POLITICSBORDEROPINIONSOUTH ASIAWORLDGENDERYOUNG CITIZENLIFETHU, OCT 1,
> 2015THE RSS/BJP MESSAGE TO MUSLIMS IN INDIA TODAYSEEMA MUSTAFA Wednesday,
> September 30, 2015NEW DELHI: It was a systematic communal campaign in Dadri,
> that precedes acts of violence always. First a calf was reported missing,
> and a campaign unleashed that basically spread rumours linking the calf to
> eating beef. When the tension reached prescribed levels, a temple in Dadri
> announced that a particular family--- Muslims of course--- was eating, after
> keeping, beef in their home. And barely before the echo of the announcement
> had subsided, a mob attacked the house of Mohammad Akhlaq, in the village in
> Dadri, pulled him out and beat him to death with bricks. His 22 year old son
> was also attacked, and is presently battling for his life in a hospital. The
> mob attacked their grandmother, and tried to molest the women in the house.
> The family is completely traumatised, terrified and currently praying for
> the young son's life.
>
> In terms of numbers, always very important for a statistic obsessed
> government, only one man has died so far. But in terms of impact, the
> incident has rung alarm bells across the country being reported in the
> global media at some length. And as the Muzaffarnagar violence at the time
> of the last Lok Sabha elections had shown, corroborated by subsequent
> communal incidents, the new strategy of those seeking to divide India on
> communal lines is to minimise deaths, but to exaggerate impact. Be it in the
> form of large scale displacement of the minorities, or widespread fear.
>
> In the Dadri attack the intention was not displacement, but to generate
> fear, to terrify. Hence the singling out of the one family, and the brutal
> attack where Akhlaq was killed without mercy. Do not eat beef is the
> ostensible message. The real message is: you are second class citizens, so
> you will do what you are told in India.
>
> So what are Muslims being told in India? But before that the stereotype
> which is fed by an ignorant, complicit media; goes largely unchallenged by
> the so called regional parties as they neither have the cadres nor the
> organisation to do little more than listen; and that is slowly being
> injected as a poisonous venom into society at every available opportunity,
> borrowing also from the US led campaign against Muslims across the world.
>
> 1. Muslims in India are a monolith and hence dangerous;
>
> 2. At best they are of two types: the APJ Abdul Kalam variety or the Dawood
> Ibrahim kind. And the second are in the majority, hence have to be hunted
> out before they hurt others;
>
> 3. They are influenced greatly by the extremist politics of the terror
> groups in Pakistan and West Asia;
>
> 4. They are growing rapidly and pose a challenge to the stability of India;
>
>
> 5. They work against the cultural ethos of India, as they eat beef, take
> away our daughters, are aggressive in following their religion, and hence a
> threat to Hinduism;
>
> In this discourse there is no room for the reality. That Muslims are not a
> monolith, and are as culturally different as all other Indians; that they
> are largely liberal, even if they are religious as are non-Muslims in India;
> that they have shunned extremist politics to a point where they vote always
> for the secular option and not for the kinds of Owaisi, or the Jamaat e
> Islami in elections; that they have done nothing, repeat nothing, to be
> branded anti-national; that they too do not eat beef, and are secular and
> Indian as the last Indian.
>
> And hence through the systematic, crafted, manipulated communal incidents
> come the many messages. Muslims are being told very deliberately, and
> through violence:
>
> 1. Do not marry outside your religion. The entire 'love jihad' campaign
> launched in Uttar Pradesh in particular by the RSS affiliates was directed
> at invoking terror through deliberate attacks on Hindu-Muslim couples, and
> on the families of the Muslim young people so involved, making it clear that
> this will not be tolerated;
>
> 2. Do not eat meat or beef. The central government itself passed an order
> against the export of beef. The Maharashtra government has gone many steps
> further. This should have been a message to all Indians, but through the
> campaign and now Akhlaq's murder it has been demonstrated that the
> defaulters are Muslims. Hence Muslims must follow the food code or suffer
> the consequences, as posts on the social media by self-acknowledged Hindutva
> acolytes profess in language that is abusive and vitriolic.
>
> 3. Do not live in cosmopolitan colonies, move into ghettos. Mumbai,
> Ahmedabad, Delhi have managed to make this a rule with most of Gujarat
> covered, and other cities and states following. Muslims do not easily get
> rented accommodation in these cities, and are also not allowed to buy
> property easily by the residents associations.
>
> 4. Do not become too successful economically. The communal violence has been
> increasingly targeting Muslim businessmen, with shops being specifically
> targeted.In fact the Congress government in Maharashtra also fed into this
> by unleashing a wave of terror against Muslim professionals, many of whom
> were arrested on suspicion of having "terror links.' While some were
> released after months and years, there are many languishing in jail for
> crimes that local lawyers have described as concocted.
>
> 5. And speak only when you are asked to, actually not at all. This is the
> message coming out of a major attack on Muslim writers, academics,
> intelligentsia on the social media where trolls describing themselves as
> bhakts of PM Narendra Modi, Hindutva acolytes and carrying profile pictures
> of angry gods literally abuse and threaten any one writing under a Muslim
> name, questioning their patriotism, their religion and their identity. In
> fact Muslims are repeatedly reminded when they share in democratic debate,
> that they should remember how other countries ---Pakistan for
> instance---treats its minorities, and should thus follow a path of caution.
>
>
> The campaign is virulent and relentless. And political parties in states
> going to the polls in particular are now feeling this pressure and reacting
> to it in some cases. In UP, Mulayam Singh and the Samajwadi party became
> bystanders during, before and after the Muzaffarnagar violence, doing little
> to counter the campaign of divisiveness unleashed by the BJP and the
> affiliates at the time. In Bihar, Janata Dal(U) leaders have taken
> cognisance of what MP Pavan Varma described to this writer, as a virulent
> communal campaign by the RSS and the BJP to consolidate the majority vote,
> and are trying to combat it. As Varma said, "RSS cadres have fanned into the
> districts and are working systematically to create a divide." He was
> optimistic, however, they would not succeed in Bihar as they had in UP,
> maintaining that Chief Minister Nitish Kumar is alive to this and keeping a
> close watch.
> --
> Seema Mustafathecitizen.in
>
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