Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Dear Kumar-ji

Once again you start a discussion from a point which suits you and use the old trick of "suppressio veri suggestio falsi".(suppress the truth to imply a falsehood).

1) In the 1969 Gujarat riots a Hindus policeman  allegedly knocked over a cart containing Korans much before the Muslim policeman allegedly did something similar to a table having our Hindu holy books.

2) The temple cows had caused quite a bit of damage in the Muslim area they were passing through. I am sure you will agree with me that Ahmedabad, which I also knew fairly well during the 80's is always a powder keg because of its communally segregated areas and labour classes.waiting to be triggered. In fact Sardar Patel had vehemently opposed Nahru's plans to put communities into religious enclaves after Partition, knowing that exactly this situation would take place. The real Iron Man of India was a far-sighted person and it was a great pity that Gandhi did not allow him to advance.

3) Before explaining what Mr. Jafri did or did not do, it would be better if you explained why a Hindu mob was outside his Society in the first place and using gas cylinders to blast their way in to finish him off as per their list.

PS: The great characteristic of our Hindu religion is our extreme quest for the TRUTH.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

1. Sarabjitji,

DO not spread outright lies. I have personally met the soft spoken MP from the area in 1970-80-s and he never complained of any Communal unrest in the Gomtipur area of the City where Gulbarg Society is situated and he commands respect in the entire area, even among Hindu-s, as he used to interact with all the families in his Constituency freely. I agree with Devinderji that he was a respectable Parliamentarian irrespective of his political affiliation.

 

2. Sarabjitji, None of the Communal riots had affected Gulbarg Society until 2002 and the 1969 riots which was prolonged and thousands died during the week of free killings and witnessed by me moving all over the City during the curfew hours, legally with official authorization. The Police too ignored the possibility of riots there looking to the past history and serious riots already taking place elsewhere, the officers had to rush.

 

It is false information that his house was attacked in 1969 riots or at any time before 2002, and try not to spread canards.

 

3. The 1969 riots was provoked by Muslim thugs entering the Jagannath temple in Jamalpur and going right up to sanctum sanctorum and beating the Chief Priest, just because the Cows belonging to the temple had knocked down a Muslim boy going in a procession beating drums. Earlier a Muslim Police Inspector kicked the Ramayana when a discourse was going on in Raipur area and beat up the "Kathakar" as he did not stop the Katha at midnight.

 

4. All riots are initiated by Muslims by their attacks on Hindu-s and Hindu temples and Hindu-s have never started riots on minor incidents of stabbings and throwing acid on Hindu girls refusing to be kidnapped by Muslims.

 

5. What I wanted to emphasize here is that use of weapons on an enraged mob is inadvisable and Ehsan Jafri in a moment of rage used his weapon leading to the lynching by the mob, which was from outside the mohalla, and it was proved by the spent bullet found and confirmed by forensic lab. The topic in discussion was liberal laws demanded for gun licencing and I wanted to quote the incident in that context only.

From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:15 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Ehsan Jaffry was not a terrorist or a Muslim Gooda but a respectable legislator.He was a permanent target because he belonged to the Congress party and the Congress partly is ideological hated and so are all the Congress leaders For reference purposes, read the list of enemies in the website of the Hindu-unity.org.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013, 17:30
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Dear Mr Kumar

You fail to mention the following:-

In 1969 rioting Hindu mobs burnt down his Ehsan Jafri's house. he possessed weapons since that time. These wapons saved his life on several occasions.

In 2002 after the Godhra incident, once again a mob attacked his house, this time a very large mob armed with knivces, swords, guns and gas cylinders to be used as improvised bombs blasted their way into his house.  4 hours of calling everywhere for help did not bring relief. The mob had full police support and computer printouts of voters lists. Recorded calls to the DGP of Police brought no assistance. In such cases of a State Sponsored elimination pogrom,  the minorities deserve to be armed with automatic weapons. If Jafri had these he would be alive today.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.

 

In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.

 

Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.

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