Friday, June 6, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Mr.Roy ,
Your statement about Ms.Roys family contributing for the upliftment of women in south India is wrong.
Her mother fought a partition suit against her family and won in supreme court.Pure family matter.
Lt.Col(Retd) K.G.RAMACHANDRAN

On 6 Jun 2014 01:06, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Sheshadri

I don't think we are in a position to advise Ms. Arundhati Roy about which country she should live in or write about. She is an Indian and writes about India - if you don't like it, you are free to emigrate to some Gulf country and enjoy upto 4 wives (whom you can purchase online from either Hyderabad Deccan or Hyderabad Sind) while penning your magnum opus.

BTW, Ms Roy's family had greatly contributed to upliftment of women in Southern India [http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1143189/]  by ensuring for them succession under Indian Succession Act 1925 and for which the entire patriarchal Christian orthodox community assailed them.

So it is no wonder that under this new Hindu Taliban regime (with a track record of massacring Christians), people like Ms. Roy (with proven track record for ensuring a Uniform Civil Code) would be very inconvenient for those who pay lip service for UCC in manifestos but have no intention of legislating it now that they can - and seek to send her packing like Taslima Begum.

Brgds.
Sarbajit



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

Arundathi   Roy should stay in Pakistan for a year, Saudi Arabia for 18 months and Kuwait for another 24 months  and then another book. She will be rewarded  Seshadri

 

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Dear Col P M Das

 

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

 

regards n bw

 

ravi

 

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:

Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,

It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.

Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.

Col P M Das, Veteran.


Mohan

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

 

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Thursday, June 5, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Mr. Sheshadri

Arundhati Roy is trying her best gain some popularity by the above headline of Big Money backing Modi. She must provide some evidence now to back her claim. She has gone unchallenged for long. It is high time in the larger interest of grater good of India, for India, by India and a possible reasonable solution we should leave the  problems to the experts.

Thanks
Vishwanath Mada

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Sorry . I forgot to suggest tah she should be asked to tell all of us her views on 370 and how we should go about solving the Kashmir issue Thanks Seshadri

 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Please leave and igore the likes of Anundhati Roy and others. They are no longer relevent in the present context.  Their ideas are old, repeatative and uninteresting.  Perhaps time has come to take forward the country and achieve development, greater economy and then only we can share wealth to our poor citizens and reduce income disparity.
May these people were good at one time, now whatever they speak or write are so boring and distasteful.  I wonder are there any takers, yet to fill available space, their names get accommodated.
Enough of them.
Dr   Elangbam

On 6 Jun 2014 09:55, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sheshadri

1) Ms. Roy's views on Kashmir are very well known.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article/The-Seditionist-Speech/268505
The police and courts have examined such speeches and really couldn't
do anything about it,
because her main lines of argument => "J&K is NOT an integral part of
India" + "India is an occupying force" are undeniably correct.

2) If YOU want to do something effective (and cost effective) about
Ms. Roy AND if you are up to fighting her with her tools on her
territory, I have a simple solution, which has worked for many people
on this list in similar cases (The cost involved is about Rs. 1,200,
and my consultancy is free).

3) There is also the unfortunate tendency for these ad-hominem attacks
by neo-literates who are not as facile with words as she is. So play
the ball and not the (wo)man - if you can.

Sarbajit

On 6/6/14, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry . I forgot to suggest tah she should be asked to tell all of us her
> views on 370 and how we should go about solving the Kashmir issue Thanks
> Seshadri
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: A POLICY TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

Thanks, Sarbajit, for your replies.

In counter:

1. An assumption made on the basis of past encounters with socialists. : )  Being able to control education is a key objective of the lefties.

2. I would be happy to discuss cogent proposals for how the army and defence of the nation can be privatised - libertarian advocates have always held that both internal (police) and external (army) security can be better obtained through private agencies.

But, why either or? Why should we not get the govt out of schools and health care as well - the last 70 years have clearly shown that the govt is incompetent and more importantly has a lack of incentives to run schools and health care properly. Throwing more money at the problem will not provide a solution. Until you can tackle the incentives in the system, the system can not be reformed.

We need a national insurance scheme, which pays for calamities that can bankrupt the poor - for example, a medical emergency or crop failure. Since the insurable pool will be so large and diverse, the premiums would be quite low - and further, if even this is unaffordable by a family that is poor, it will be paid for by the taxpayers a part of the social minimum/security to be paid to the poorest of all.

There is no reason for the state to then run inefficient, corrupt and inadequate welfare schemes. And, all welfare schemes will become corrupt and inefficient - because of the incentives structure.


3. Sure. I passed from the local state board, too, although not from a state run school.

However, in this case, the exception does not prove the rule - for every person who has done well, despite studying at a govt school, how many students and families have the state run school system failed??

And, the sniff test is this: are you willing to send your children or your grand children to the local municipal school to study? If not, why are you forcing them on the poorer, less well to do fellow citizens of this country?


Thanks

S


On 6 June 2014 00:46, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim

1) Please don't assume and anticipate how socialists would respond :-)

2) While on the subject of privatising all education, should we not also
consider instead privatising our Army and Defence to save costs which can be ploughed back into a quality State education and health system where all private schools / colleges / hospitals are abolished.

3) BTW, there are "n" number of people who have come from exclusively State run schools / colleges and done rather well for themselves.So see the trees and not the woods ;-)

Sarbajit
.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
I have really never understood this whole point of appealing to the government?

Popular quote attributed to Einstein "Continuing to do the same thing, while expecting different results, is the definition of insanity"

I would like to make two broad points here:

First, the government is NEVER going to solve the problem of the poor education imparted in govt or public schools - they (the bureaucrats, the politicians, the administrators and the teachers) have no incentive to deliver a better product. The whole system of rewards vs punishment does not work in public schools, partially due to incompetence, partially due to apathy and callousness of the administrators and partially due to the vested interests represented by the unions.

If you are going to pay a teacher Rs3,000 - 5,000 per month in rural and semi-rural ares, where is his incentive to actually do a passable job, leave alone a great job. You are entrusting the future of your child with this person, and you would pay him less than what a government sweeper earns? Where is his/her incentive? Further, he probably had to pay a bribe to secure the post in the first place - obviously, he will look to secure his return first, probably by working somewhere else part time/contract basis while he collects his govt pittance.

So, what is the solution - the solution is fairly simple to execute, run, and ensure that education quality improves by leaps and bounds, across the country. BUT, the solution is anathema to all the socialists and collectivists. I can already imagine the howls of anguish and protest that are going to erupt.

The biggest cost in education is infrastructure - and, that is the biggest entry barrier for competent educators to look at providing quality education in rural and semi-rural areas - on the other hand, the govt has previously built a chain of schools across the country - this is a sunk cost for the govt, which is yielding a poor RoI, if not a negative RoI to the citizens of this country, who actually paid for this infrastructure through their taxes.

So, why not monetise this infrastructure? Return the capital/investment spent on the schools back to the taxpayers while the central budget, and at the same time make the infrastructure more productive.

That's right: PRIVATISE all government schools - either sell or lease out the schools to private educators, district wise or conglomeration of district wise. Transfer all the teachers and the administrators to the private educators' pay roll. Syllabi for each grade could be set at a state level, since these students will all appear for the board exam - but that is the sole role that the education regulator should play - if you want to be more daring, then do away with set syllabi too - just set three board level exams at 4th grade, 8th grade and 12th grade. Give the private educators' freedom to decide syllabi, methodology and processes to prepare their students for these exams - but, this might be a bridge too far for most learned-by-rote Indians to swallow.

And, payments - the govt currently spends a certain amount per school each year. Divide this number by the families with school going children in this area, and provide the money DIRECTLY to the parents as a fungible education voucher, payable for fees at any school within the state.

Thus there will be an incentive for the private educators to ensure that they keep attracting students by the quality of their school and education.

And, the govt can set up a bonus pool derived from the interest income from either the sale amount or lease amount it received from the privatisation of the schools - which can be used to reward those educators with strong performances at the board exam levels.

So, what do we have here? The right incentives for everyone in the system, accountability and a clear reward system for success. What's not to like???

BTW, for those who are going to stand up in opposition to this proposal, pls consider this fact: parents in rural areas are already sending their children to private, local "english medium" schools and paying cold cash for it, while spurning the govt schools, which are free.

=========================================================
Second point:

Why are we appealing to the govt? The govt is our agent, which WE created to do our bidding. Not our master. We should be demanding. The individual comes first, and then comes the state.

If you think the govt is failing in the mandate that the citizens have given it, then demand performance or ask for the relevant people to be fired if they can not deliver.

Why should we, the taxpayers, be paying for the incompetent IAS? Sack bureaucrats who do not perform - pure and simple. Scrap tenure for IAS.

And, why will the legislators not listen to the citizens? The recent elections should be a salutary lesson for them, is it not?


Thanks

Supratim





On 3 June 2014 19:52, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
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                                                                  A  POLICY  TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

 

As the new academic year is now commencing , the parents and students belonging to poor families  are running around with frustration and sense of hopelessness , due to lack of quality educational opportunities. Those who interact with the poor families would know this.

Certainly, the poor students are entitled to aspire for quality education  that would provide them opportunities for growth, just as the students belonging to the affluent families.

Unfortunately, with private  educational institutions now largely going into the hands of business men and politicians,  the tuition and other fees charged in the private schools and colleges have become exhorbitant and beyond the reach of the students from lower income group.  It is sad that quality education now are available only for those who can afford to pay high fees.

Inevitably, the deprived students look upto the government for support to provide them opportunities for education  that would be of competitive standards. Unfortunately, the quality standards of education imparted in several government schools and colleges are  poor and inadequate. 

In such circumstances, the students belonging to lower income group and their parents desire to admit their children in private institutions, but they do not have the resources  to pay the demanded fees . They run from pillar to post to mobilise funds by borrowing or "begging". They go from one NGO  to another and these NGOs themselves do not command the resources required considering the need of the poor students.

In such circumstances, the politicians and the bureaucrats running the government have to be blamed for not maintaining the requisite  standards in the government owned educational institutions. Further, the government is not opening more schools and colleges in tune with the demand and perhaps, expect the money sucking private sector to fill the gap.

The poor quality of education in government schools and colleges have no justification.  The salaries and perks paid to the teachers in government schools and colleges are largely on par with that of private institutions and in some cases they are even better.  Most of the government institutions also have adequate facilities like laboratories etc. as  the government provide the funds.

The problem arises due to the poor quality of administration and indiscipline in these government institutions . One often see   local politicians entering the  premises and interfering in administration.   IAS officers who work in the Education department rarely visit the schools  and colleges  for inspection and when they do occasionally , they expect to be received  with red carpet welcome.

A suggestion was made in a recent meeting that the best way to improve the standards of the government owned educational institutions is to make it compulsory that the sons and daughters of IAS officers   and that of the ministers should study only in government owned or government aided institutions.  They use government bunglows / apartments and government vehicles.  Why not they use government schools and colleges also  ?   This policy  of government to ask the ministers and bureaucrats to admit their children in government institutions would certainly motivate them  to pay greater attention to improve the performance  and standards of government run educational institutions.

 

N.S.Venkataraman

Email:-  nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com




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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Mr Sheshadri

1) Ms. Roy's views on Kashmir are very well known.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article/The-Seditionist-Speech/268505
The police and courts have examined such speeches and really couldn't
do anything about it,
because her main lines of argument => "J&K is NOT an integral part of
India" + "India is an occupying force" are undeniably correct.

2) If YOU want to do something effective (and cost effective) about
Ms. Roy AND if you are up to fighting her with her tools on her
territory, I have a simple solution, which has worked for many people
on this list in similar cases (The cost involved is about Rs. 1,200,
and my consultancy is free).

3) There is also the unfortunate tendency for these ad-hominem attacks
by neo-literates who are not as facile with words as she is. So play
the ball and not the (wo)man - if you can.

Sarbajit

On 6/6/14, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry . I forgot to suggest tah she should be asked to tell all of us her
> views on 370 and how we should go about solving the Kashmir issue Thanks
> Seshadri
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Virender ji

Under normal circumstances, IAC, as an organisation shall do nothing,
repeat NOTHING.

So all those people who think that IAC is going to be filing RTIs and
PILs and doing andolan-baazi are sadly mistaken.

What IAC will do is provide a platform for effective highly motivated
selfless individuals when the nation needs it and Govts need to be
replaced. We did it in 1973 and again in 2011.

Sarbajit

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Sorry . I forgot to suggest tah she should be asked to tell all of us her views on 370 and how we should go about solving the Kashmir issue Thanks Seshadri

 

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