Sunday, March 31, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] The ONE issue for the IAC movement.

This is an informative report! Kudos.

The majority viewpoints should be a part of the note which includes the discussions.

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On 01-Apr-2013, at 7:03, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Subscribers

A summary of IAC members viewpoints for further discussion.

Vidyut Kale
1 nail = figuring out self-sustainability at the grassroots regardless of imposed circumstances. Supporting with attacking harmful policy. (15 words)

supplemented with
"India against Vampirism."
(Enough blood suckers feeding on the vulnerable.)

1) Attacking harmful policy
2) Determining tenacious self-sustainable grassroot models.

2 Nail : Simplify the running of the country to the point any citizen can understand and engage. All aspects.
"India against Obscurism"

P.Mohana Chandran:
India Against Dishonesty- Be honest to yourself-Respect those who serve- Never respect a person who occupy a Chair which he do not deserve to occupy-Never respect a person merely on account of his wealth-Why some one desires to heap wealth by illegal / improper means ? Money will wipe out his unpleasant past..Let us start respecting persons for their knowledge,efficiency etc. This applies to all human beings.Let it be "World Against Dishonesty"

Tadepalli Triambakakishore
One Nail :    Select model for community building of  Indians to  be Against  Corruption .Select from various models viz; Temple/ church/railways/armed forces

Devender Chopra

1 Nail=  Governance by a single PM, apply laws to control corruption, rest will follow.dev chopra in gurgaon

Pavan Nair
India against inequity. Whether caste or gender or religion or wealth based. Elimination of hunger and poverty and female foeticide. Twenty words! Pavan Nair

Raminder Singh

"India Against INDIANS"
(Dogs and Indians not allowed)
Eliminate bigotry, hatred, ignorance, corruption, discrimination, houses of worship, leaders, followers, media, lawyers, political parties. Instill morality, Dharma, transparency, accountability.. (20 words) Raminder

Rustom Dalal

1 Nail= Complete integrity in all activists to inspire a thousand others.Only practice will inspire followers.We  cant change others. Only ourselves. R R DALAL

Sarbajit Roy
1 Nail = The right of the people to form Militias and keep and bear arms to ensure a secure, free and well regulated State, shall not be infringed.

2 Nail = Indian Polity to
a) Rise above religion
b) Abolish all reservations incl. for elections.
c) Promote merit and a level playing field
d) Give enhanced facilities, education or incentives to socially backward individuals to allow them to advance

3 Nail : The "-1" vote (or right to reject / blackball any candidate)

Past Discussions:

India's problems

1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.

On the positive side

1)
India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy of sorts.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths,  cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.


Re: [IAC#RG] The ONE issue for the IAC movement.

Dear Subscribers

A summary of IAC members viewpoints for further discussion.

Vidyut Kale
1 nail = figuring out self-sustainability at the grassroots regardless of imposed circumstances. Supporting with attacking harmful policy. (15 words)

supplemented with
"India against Vampirism."
(Enough blood suckers feeding on the vulnerable.)

1) Attacking harmful policy
2) Determining tenacious self-sustainable grassroot models.

2 Nail : Simplify the running of the country to the point any citizen can understand and engage. All aspects.
"India against Obscurism"

P.Mohana Chandran:
India Against Dishonesty- Be honest to yourself-Respect those who serve- Never respect a person who occupy a Chair which he do not deserve to occupy-Never respect a person merely on account of his wealth-Why some one desires to heap wealth by illegal / improper means ? Money will wipe out his unpleasant past..Let us start respecting persons for their knowledge,efficiency etc. This applies to all human beings.Let it be "World Against Dishonesty"

Tadepalli Triambakakishore
One Nail :    Select model for community building of  Indians to  be Against  Corruption .Select from various models viz; Temple/ church/railways/armed forces

Devender Chopra

1 Nail=  Governance by a single PM, apply laws to control corruption, rest will follow.dev chopra in gurgaon

Pavan Nair
India against inequity. Whether caste or gender or religion or wealth based. Elimination of hunger and poverty and female foeticide. Twenty words! Pavan Nair

Raminder Singh

"India Against INDIANS"
(Dogs and Indians not allowed)
Eliminate bigotry, hatred, ignorance, corruption, discrimination, houses of worship, leaders, followers, media, lawyers, political parties. Instill morality, Dharma, transparency, accountability.. (20 words) Raminder

Rustom Dalal

1 Nail= Complete integrity in all activists to inspire a thousand others.Only practice will inspire followers.We  cant change others. Only ourselves. R R DALAL

Sarbajit Roy
1 Nail = The right of the people to form Militias and keep and bear arms to ensure a secure, free and well regulated State, shall not be infringed.

2 Nail = Indian Polity to
a) Rise above religion
b) Abolish all reservations incl. for elections.
c) Promote merit and a level playing field
d) Give enhanced facilities, education or incentives to socially backward individuals to allow them to advance

3 Nail : The "-1" vote (or right to reject / blackball any candidate)

Past Discussions:

India's problems

1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.

On the positive side

1)
India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy of sorts.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths,  cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.


Re: [IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev

Dear Mr Hegde

Firstly let me take exception to your remarks about (presumably my) "communist minded politics". You are greatly mistaken if you believe I am a communist or any other form of leftist. On the contrary I am an extreme right wing patriotic TRUE Hindu nationalist who puts all the VHP pseudo-Hindu semi-illiiterate brigade in the shade

Secondly, let me clarify that from what I observe Mr. Narendra Modi is some sort of half-baked Hindu who doesn't seem to understand/follow ABC of Hinduism let alone the XYZ.

As I said there is a very simple test for who is a TRUE Hindu and who is not which can be answered in 2 and only 2 words..

a) Are you a Hindu ? Yes or No.
b) What is the name of your God ? _____

Thirdly about the BJP's governance. BJP is equally a corrupt party as the Congress. The series of MINING scams in BJP ruled states is complete and unimpeachable evidence of it. Karnataka, Goa, Gujarat you name it. I hate to drag the fair name of Mr. Bangaru Lakshman into this discussion or even Mr. Pramod Mahajan (who I got removed from the Cabinet for his extreme corruption)

Fourthly, about NaMo personally. Running Gujarat is very different from running rest of India. His style of working may not translate very well outside his own Gujarat and outside die-hard BJP loyalists. In any case lets see assembly results of Karnataka, Rajasthan, Delhi, MP etc. first

Fifthly, the analysis of Gujarat assembly results show that's NaMo's support base is shifting and is also 'spiky". BJP in Gujarat is also packed with criminals

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Prabhakar Hegde <m.prabhakar.hegde@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully endorse with the opinion of Sri Baba Ramdevs opinion and it is not only his view it is the wishes of all people of this country who feel  that Sri Narendra Modi can change the face of this great country. It is not by the congress party who ruled ruin and looted the wealth of this country .
I strongly feel that the I A C should come out to support him not because he is a B J P candidate but to give a good governence to our countries administration he is a strong able candidatewho can motivate youths,womens and appeal mass of this country .So please keep aside your petty egoism and communist minded politics for God sake (if you want to do really a good to this nation) Jai Bharath matha Ki  


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=794077

BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Jaipur | Mar 31, 2013

BJP should project Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its leader in the next Lok Sabha elections and change its priorities if it wants to return to power, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said today.

He said that Congress can not return to power due to its anti-people policies but BJP can do it provided it changed its priorities.

"There is some possibility and space for BJP if it changes priorities and thinks about projecting Narendra Modi in next Lok Sabha elections," Ramdev said at a press conference here.

"Modi emerged as a robust leader who has become icon of development and courage and has zero tolerance for corruption but the final decision for his projection is to be taken by the BJP and Sangh," he said.

He said the country today is facing a leadership crisis and people are looking at individuals instead of political parties to bring about a positive change in politics.

"We believe that this will take place and the upcoming Lok Sabha election will be decisive in this direction," he said.

He alleged that the government could not take the issues of corruption and black money to a logical conclusion and that Congress has has no chance of forming the next government at the centre as it has betrayed the people.

"Congress has lost confidence among masses. So many scams worth crores of rupees have come to light and people will not vote for the party," he said.

He accused the Congress of misusing the CBI against its political rivals. "What SP Chief Mulayam Singh Yadav said against Congress and CBI is true," he said.

When asked about the possibility of coming together of all like-minded individuals like Anna Hazare, he said building up social and political pressure was necessary to bring a change in system.

"Anna is a good person but he wants to stay away from politics. Building up political pressure along with social pressure is necessary to change the system. Laws are made and amended in Parliament and not by saints or monks and social activist," he said.

Ramdev, who was in the city to hold meetings with his workers, said he was on a mission to play a big role in Lok Sabha election though he himself will not contest election.

"There should be our, at least, 300 members in parliament so that we can play decisive role and I am working in this direction," he said.

Replying to a question about forming a political party, Ramdev said he was not in a position to comment on it but something conclusive will be announced in April or May.

He said that there are some good individuals in parties like Biju Janata Dal, Telugu Desam Party and Janata Dal (United).

There was a space in the nation for the third front, he said, adding that the situation will clear in some time.

He said that he will conduct mass meetings in May in Rajasthan.



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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev

I fully endorse with the opinion of Sri Baba Ramdevs opinion and it is not only his view it is the wishes of all people of this country who feel  that Sri Narendra Modi can change the face of this great country. It is not by the congress party who ruled ruin and looted the wealth of this country .
I strongly feel that the I A C should come out to support him not because he is a B J P candidate but to give a good governence to our countries administration he is a strong able candidatewho can motivate youths,womens and appeal mass of this country .So please keep aside your petty egoism and communist minded politics for God sake (if you want to do really a good to this nation) Jai Bharath matha Ki  


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=794077

BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Jaipur | Mar 31, 2013

BJP should project Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its leader in the next Lok Sabha elections and change its priorities if it wants to return to power, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said today.

He said that Congress can not return to power due to its anti-people policies but BJP can do it provided it changed its priorities.

"There is some possibility and space for BJP if it changes priorities and thinks about projecting Narendra Modi in next Lok Sabha elections," Ramdev said at a press conference here.

"Modi emerged as a robust leader who has become icon of development and courage and has zero tolerance for corruption but the final decision for his projection is to be taken by the BJP and Sangh," he said.

He said the country today is facing a leadership crisis and people are looking at individuals instead of political parties to bring about a positive change in politics.

"We believe that this will take place and the upcoming Lok Sabha election will be decisive in this direction," he said.

He alleged that the government could not take the issues of corruption and black money to a logical conclusion and that Congress has has no chance of forming the next government at the centre as it has betrayed the people.

"Congress has lost confidence among masses. So many scams worth crores of rupees have come to light and people will not vote for the party," he said.

He accused the Congress of misusing the CBI against its political rivals. "What SP Chief Mulayam Singh Yadav said against Congress and CBI is true," he said.

When asked about the possibility of coming together of all like-minded individuals like Anna Hazare, he said building up social and political pressure was necessary to bring a change in system.

"Anna is a good person but he wants to stay away from politics. Building up political pressure along with social pressure is necessary to change the system. Laws are made and amended in Parliament and not by saints or monks and social activist," he said.

Ramdev, who was in the city to hold meetings with his workers, said he was on a mission to play a big role in Lok Sabha election though he himself will not contest election.

"There should be our, at least, 300 members in parliament so that we can play decisive role and I am working in this direction," he said.

Replying to a question about forming a political party, Ramdev said he was not in a position to comment on it but something conclusive will be announced in April or May.

He said that there are some good individuals in parties like Biju Janata Dal, Telugu Desam Party and Janata Dal (United).

There was a space in the nation for the third front, he said, adding that the situation will clear in some time.

He said that he will conduct mass meetings in May in Rajasthan.



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Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Dear Naishadh

Greetings to you

(d) can even be all the existing privileged classes like SC, ST, OBC, Muslims, Anglos etc. its not a big deal. It only means that money will be spent on them (through their leaders) so that they do not oppose withdrawal of reservations. Of course entire political class / parties will calculate the numbers and not a single one will publicly oppose withdrawal of reservations. So it needs a different strategy as the Kumar & Kumar Co. has shown us.

IAC does not hold any brief for Sanjay Dutt or his shenanigans. IAC only has a certain (very advanced) point of view on "arms for all" which is not intellectually palatable to honest / decent citizens at the present time.

Sufficeth to say that the leading intellectuals of HRA are united that India needs a 2nd Amendment, and that all citizens, especially minorities, need protection against the State if the State is to be scared of its citizens.

"Citizens should not be scared of their State, the State must be scared of its citizens".

Sarbajit

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,
Greetings.

As on my part, I fully concur on your points stated at (a)(b)(c). However, point (d) needs to be refined in terms of what is "backward Groups"? -economically, socially, educationally etc.?

On the Issue of Sanjay Dutt, I feel finality of SC judgment need to be disturbed just on the ground of a celebrity claiming fable pretext of self defence. Shanti Bhushan may gain fees or fame as a lawyer. Mr. Katju may embroil in political imbroglio. But IAC ought to take an intellectual stand on SC Judgment needing no review merely on the ground of Dutt claiming self defense or Zebunnisa claiming humanitarian sympathetic ground.

Regards,
-Joshi NM


[IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=794077

BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Jaipur | Mar 31, 2013

BJP should project Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its leader in the next Lok Sabha elections and change its priorities if it wants to return to power, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said today.

He said that Congress can not return to power due to its anti-people policies but BJP can do it provided it changed its priorities.

"There is some possibility and space for BJP if it changes priorities and thinks about projecting Narendra Modi in next Lok Sabha elections," Ramdev said at a press conference here.

"Modi emerged as a robust leader who has become icon of development and courage and has zero tolerance for corruption but the final decision for his projection is to be taken by the BJP and Sangh," he said.

He said the country today is facing a leadership crisis and people are looking at individuals instead of political parties to bring about a positive change in politics.

"We believe that this will take place and the upcoming Lok Sabha election will be decisive in this direction," he said.

He alleged that the government could not take the issues of corruption and black money to a logical conclusion and that Congress has has no chance of forming the next government at the centre as it has betrayed the people.

"Congress has lost confidence among masses. So many scams worth crores of rupees have come to light and people will not vote for the party," he said.

He accused the Congress of misusing the CBI against its political rivals. "What SP Chief Mulayam Singh Yadav said against Congress and CBI is true," he said.

When asked about the possibility of coming together of all like-minded individuals like Anna Hazare, he said building up social and political pressure was necessary to bring a change in system.

"Anna is a good person but he wants to stay away from politics. Building up political pressure along with social pressure is necessary to change the system. Laws are made and amended in Parliament and not by saints or monks and social activist," he said.

Ramdev, who was in the city to hold meetings with his workers, said he was on a mission to play a big role in Lok Sabha election though he himself will not contest election.

"There should be our, at least, 300 members in parliament so that we can play decisive role and I am working in this direction," he said.

Replying to a question about forming a political party, Ramdev said he was not in a position to comment on it but something conclusive will be announced in April or May.

He said that there are some good individuals in parties like Biju Janata Dal, Telugu Desam Party and Janata Dal (United).

There was a space in the nation for the third front, he said, adding that the situation will clear in some time.

He said that he will conduct mass meetings in May in Rajasthan.


Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

I would like to point out the fact that Sanjay Dutt was / ( is ?)  a drug addict. How many of us would feel safe to stay in a place where drug addicts have number of AK 56 & grenades stocked at their place ? 

Please consider the following

1) Recently on 11 th Augst 2012 , muslim rioters attacked mumbai police on broad day light, molested about 10 police women , burned a number of police & media vans. not even 10 minutes of waling distance of Bombay High Court - --my RTI applications to police , complaint to National Commission for Women is not eliciting any reply. We do not see any action whatsoever on the rioters.

2) In Maharashtra Legislative Assembly about a week ago , MLAS beat up a cop & now it seems the CCTV cameras posted in the place , have not captured clear images so one can not identify the attacking MLAs.

With this in the background, - wherein Mumbai Police & Police women themselves  are being targeted & not able to defend themselves- who will protect ordinary citizens & their mothers, sisters, wives, daughters etc.

Will they be allowed legally to carry a few Assault rifles or a dozen grenades without license (- as argued by Sarabjt ji in self defense as the state has failed to protect its own police & police women -) wherever they go ?


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
There lies the answer.
 
V.S.Sardesai

From: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
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Date: Saturday, 30 March, 2013, 2:38 PM


The usual wepons of self defence for a citizen under threat shoud not be AK47 rifle. but a smaller weapon. Devinder

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Doyou mean to say AK 47 and hand granades?
 
V.S.Sardesai

From: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
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Date: Friday, 29 March, 2013, 8:41 PM

There does not have to be a physical attack for someone to retaliate in self defence. The threats (by Shive Sainaks???) and its fear would be taken as real and any measures to counter would be treated as taken in self defence. One does not see any doubt in this due to his parents social and political activities. Sanjay is convicted for having weapons illegally and also from a dubious source. If he had gone to the local police authority for a licence to have weapons and got them through a licence weapon supplier, there would have been no case to answer. Devinder
From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013, 14:02
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
As regards the right of self defenceraised by Shanti Bhushan, the question is how does it come to play when  there is absolutely no evidence of any attack on Sanjay Dutt? Or does he want to say that everyone has got the right to have AK47 for self defence?
 
V.S.Sardesai
 
--- On Fri, 29/3/13, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
To: "IAC Sarabjit" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Friday, 29 March, 2013, 5:47 PM

Millions of Indian born in and around 1970 have very little idea how did Sanjay behave in his
own family. His father did what a typical father had been taught by the ancestors. The fact of
the matter is that even many parents are not applying common sense in parenting even today.
Having said that the arguments presented by Mr. Tewari on behalf of Shanti Bhushan, a strong
pillar of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), are like opening another pandora box. If every one start doing
what Mr. Shanti Bhushan have suggested, there will be no law & order at all. Was there any Hindu
caught defending like Sanjay? And, if a Hindu alleged by law officers, every one knows the out come.
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:16:49 +0530 From: wide.aware@gmail.com To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
1. had the state failed to protect Sanjay Dutt?
2. How come he has been safe all through in spite of being accused of terrorism and being out of jail most of the time?
3. What about the hand grenades, witness testimonies that he asked a gangster to "do something" about the riots, providing support for the arms haul to be unpacked from concealed compartment and repacked into bags? He provided tools, safe location as well as bags.
4. A full seven years after the fact, he was still intercepted courting a gangster and introducting "fans"
5. What happened of the 2 AK-56s and hand grenades he had taken - in the sense of how did he get exonerated of that and his sole "mistake" seems to be one assault weapon for self-defense?
That said, why were others who got weapons from that haul not prosecuted? Sharad Pawar says they chose not to. Why?
The role of Shiv Sena, Sanjay Dutt and the gangsters is highly incestuous. They go around rioting, but Sarpotdar has WITH HIM a top hitman of the same gang as well as illegal weapons provided by a gangster network led by a Muslim. Said Gang later bombs innocents in "retaliation" for the riots in which their member too had armed and hobnobbed with perpetrators. Then, Sanjay Dutt gets into trouble motivated by the same riots and Shiv Sena saves his skin for  fee, though obviously they had to be among the top intended recipients of any action said assault weapon got. Sanjay Dutt's relations with gangsters continue, including saving Vidhu Vinod Chopra from an extortion racket by telling Anees Ibrahim to lay off because he was among the few who supported him when he went to prison.
Now, hearing the news of his sentencing, Shiv Sena went into default "save Sanjay Dutt" mode, but find their outrage and change loyalties on a dime at some point.
The only thing I accept about Sanjay Dutt was that he was a fool and got into it for exactly the reasons he claimed. The others Shiv Sena in the riots as well as the Gand retaliating on "behalf of Muslims" were strategically in bed with each other while outwardly claiming outrage for "their" side of the line and killing unrelated innocents - largely to radicalize people and consolidate power.
That said, Sanjay Dutt was stupid, but most definitely illegal in his actions.
Vidyut
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Naveen

Shri Shanti Bhushan has laid down the LAW.
You can argue with Mr. Bhushan but you cannot argue with the LAW.

If the State fails to protect a person, he is in his rights to acquire ALL MEANS REQUIRED TO DEFEND HIS LIFE

Mr,. Bhushan ECHOES IAC when we stand for right to bear arms freely and defend ourselves.

Mr. Bhushan's legal basis is IDENTICAL with IAC's because IPC is a 150 year old law almost as old as IAC (or Mr. Bhushan)

Sarbajit





On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM, naveen tewari <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Shanti Bhushan has certainly gone beyond senility and is showing signs of Dementia. His long article in the Hindu of 26th march is the latest example of that. Here he is with all his remnant legal acumen misplaced to the hilt, arguing for a summary reprieve for Sanjay Dutt. In this venture mr. Bhushan quoted the judgment of the supreme court wherein the court has mentioned that Sanjay Dutt's reason for possessing those prohibited guns and arsenal was self defence. Mr. Bhushan argues that it is not a crime to defend oneself even if the ammunition possessed by one is without licence. 
What a wonderful logic by this legal luminary who was once our Law Minister. I can only feel ashamed as an Indian that people of such calibre find there way to top positions in the country where they can play with the destiny of the people of this country. I am also deeply distressed that such people still manage to find a place in the public discourse no matter what level of atrophy their brain has reached. 
The Hindu, my most favourite newspaper, is also springing surprises like these every now and then.
I request you all to read this article by Shanti Bhushan and react to it.
regards
naveen tewari
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