Sunday, January 6, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Don't our members have faith in the judicial system?

I really agree with this; not only do we have laws but the internal guidelines for police and judiciary are detailed and specific; covering every situation. But there is no by in and no accountability for reasons to obvious to write again.

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On 6 January 2013 02:23, Nilkanth The Himalayas <nilkanth12345@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Doesn't our members have faith in the judicial system?
 
We already have Law against Rape, Gang Rape, Murder etc. We also have death penalty, for the "Rarest of Rare Case". As the case under discussion is a "Rarest of Rare Case", of a gang rape, then the court can give the punishment accordingly.
 
We already have laws for almost everything, under the sun, even for molestation, etc. So what is the need to amend a law? Let the existing law do its work and punish the guilty.
 
If someone doesn't have faith in our judicial system then it's a different question altogether. But then what is the fun in amending the existing law, where one doesn't have any faith in the system.
  
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Re: [IAC#RG] Citizens to attach ID proof with RTI applications: HC

But in India, since the corruption is very high, if identity is given, more possibilities are there to be misused in many ways by a section of people in authority. But at the same time, if anonymous, any one can seek details for illegal / terrorist / blackmailing activities also.

 
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From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Citizens to attach ID proof with RTI applications: HC

I support producing the id proof for the information solicited not covered covered u.s. 4 (suo-motu disclosure) of RTIA to do away with fake or non-serious RTI applications as the applicants have option refraining himself from the FAA or Commission's hearings.

By this, only genuine info seekers will come forward and will lighten the burden of PA, FAA and Commissions in the absence of applicants seeking long information some times to harass the PA / CPIOs. If v r serious to stop the misuse of the Act, this is desired and for a citizen, there will not b any problem to prove his/ her nationality.



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Citizens to attach ID proof with RTI applications: HC

Mandar

The RTI Act distinguishes between information "dissemination" (ie. proactively / suo-moto) to the entire world, and information "disclosure" (ie. on formal application to be provided to AN INDIAN CITIZEN - WITHIN INDIA on payment).

In the 2nd case, the public authority can demand proof of the above 2 criteria before disclosing the information.

PS: I haven't read the PHC judgment as yet.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Mandar Jog <mandarjog@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we should be able to request this anonymously.

RTI act Chapter II, 1(a) says that the public authority should have this info computerized and easily accessible.

Someone had to put in an RTI request because information that should have been public was not public.
If the information was public in the first place, it could have been accessed anonymously.

I understand that we should protect the system from requests whose only intent is to burden the system, but there are other ways to achieve that. 

Whether some information is public or not does not and should not depend on who is asking for it.

- Mandar


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RE: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

May I request for the views of Veteran George Kailath, which don't appear in trail but are referred to. Thanks. 


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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Dear Mr. Virendra Bhogal,
I am in total agreement with your riposte to Commodore Kailath's views. We have long lost the value with which we had begun to celebrate national days and occasions. Take the list of government holidays (national). Republic day is now reduced to pomp and show and is really a sham. If it is meant to showcase our armed forces and their hardware with the intention of infusing confidence in the public, now every one knows how the politicians and bureaucrats have truncated the fighting capacity of the services. This knowledge is in public domain. How is it and why is Henderson Brooks report even now not being made public? 2013 is not 1962 but why should the public not be told even at this stage who was really responsible for the forced sacrifice of thousands of its sons, fathers, brothers, husbands and soldiers and why even now the clamp down on rebuilding the process of credible defence by cutting down on its capital expense? I have a background similar to that of George (we are batch mates from NDA and are very close even to this day.) And I know how let down we feel at the constant downgrading of the services, both in operational sense as well as from social status it enjoys in society. Yes we are to blame, but should we be celebrating a hollow and pretentious strength. Yes the men in uniform will deliver in whatever condition, but it is high time that the untruth be known to the people. Lives of vast majority of India's citizens is involved because they pay to the Government one way or the other and they pay for their basic needs, including their safety and security. Recent data and information released on the skewed security cover to the few when more insecurity has set in amongst the common people is THE point. They will be happy to pay for the glitter of these functions, only once their basic needs of living a most frugal life in severe conditions is first ensured by the Government. I can understand where George is coming from, but have serious concerns the way the government has set about obtaining for its people the basic security and their welfare. 
And yes, I cross my heart and say that I am cleaner, much much cleaner than all those representatives who have serious criminal charges against them and yet enjoy unbridled privileges and position in our society. Most, if not all of us are victims of corruption and have every right to shout aloud "I don't like it. Let us change the rot in the existing system"
Take Gandhi Jayanti celebrations, it is a day when we should collectively hang our heads in shame and ask forgiveness of the Mahatma and in self condemnation for using his name for perpetuating inequality. Ambedkar is an icon for many and for different reasons, but to all us Indians who celebrate Republic Day he was an idealistic visionary, who unfortunately did not foresee that the elected reps will fight like spoilt, irresponsible and petty people in the assemblies. Where they would hold a special one day session to increase their own pelf but will not discuss bills that concern the safety and security of its people even 6 years after introducing it. And let us not talk of judicial commissions, they will give their recommendation but the Government will not consider it till the next crisis and then will constitute yet another judicial commission or committee. Oh! Don't we by now know how the system is sabotaged by the sloths who will just not take hard decisions for their own skins? 
But let me say that George, like all of us of that period when we trained together, are hard core Indians who feel very strongly for our country, of our conduct and of protocols. So I understand where he is coming from, only we have different approaches. He is more patient at his age than perhaps I am. 

Major Kapur
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On 03-Jan-2013, at 2:39 AM, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear George,

 

Some of the points raised in your letter have raised some questions in my mind.

 

You say - 'go back to the medieval times' - going by the ways of the government machinery that has run the country for the past 60+ years we are in the medieval times. By and large the public has been by-stander if not a participant in the fiasco. However, now it appears that a significant part of the public wants to rise above this rabble and is subconsciously looking for leadership other than khadi clad mafia.

 

Then "Our India is the only country in the sub-continent that has not fallen to military dictatorship." There are many reasons including 'leadership' necessary to bring it about, but the Army has not done any favor to the country - look to whom it has been subservient. The bureaucrats have been deriding the generals irrespective of the stars he has managed to acquire. Look at the state of the country - look at the levels of corruption - I can forgive the man in the civil street for he is not organized, but not the supposedly well-organized force that has taken an oath of allegiance to the constitution and at the same time can conveniently watch the rape of the country from the sidelines.

 

Why is "There is a judicial committee that is now looking into the matter of rapes." at this time - it is because the pre-dominantly youth protestors have taken to the streets. How is this committee going to be different from the judicial system, or why should it even be different?

 

Can anyone in all honesty recall any productive discussion in the parliament that has been conducive to the public good?  That one can now expect the parliamentarians to suddenly have a change of heart. They will still try to save their collective hides.

 

"Please - let us not lower ourselves to such mean depth as to even suggest a boycott of Republic Day." The day the likes of Sonia, Mayawati, Raja, vadra, etc., etc., etc., are made accountable for the massive wealth they have accumulated, the day police begins to protect the citizens, the day IAS behaves like a public servant, the day the judges are unbiased and upright will be the day to celebrate republic day, until then this celebration is a farce of quixotic proportions. 

 

The sooner the PM speaks to empty rows of benches the sooner the country will be ready to get rid of the cancer.

 

Best Regards,

Virender



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Re: [IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)

Emotional upset is understandable. But reality is we should think coolly and use our intelligence to analyse the problem and find a solution. 

Actually India is losing in sports, technology,high end skilled manpower, wealth, safety on roads,& railways and finally honour of women too-- all just for allowing the government to keep files secret from us.Corrupt have flocked to government not for public service but to abuse power, to do business of managing the huge tax money and assets of land and other PPP projects. The primary purpose is to add wealth to self and kith and kin. The rest of areas are of mere nuisance value. 

We think in complex terms thinking we are facing some complex problem Problem is complex but solution is simple. Just tweak the Govt Business Rule- every government order be published with scanned proceedings , so that orders stealing our assets are stopped in tracks before yielding benefits. 

The entire detailed analysis is at  www.rbojji.blogspot.in   WHat are to do? First make more people understand. Publicise, so that they do not think candle light march is going to cause miracle. No way. These hardcore people who invested huge amounts in elections, who destroy wantonly values in society, whose henchmen dishonour women too, take law for granted day in day out, not allowing the honest working of police, hardly care.

WHen we get the Rule changed, a mere direction of Supreme Court enough because, it is distortion of constituion,, then corrupt will leave govt as it becomes useless for making money. 

We can then live peacefully and excel in all fields which are thrown to winds by govt currently. 

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Vidyut,
 
To me the broadcast highlights an important aspect in the light of protests galvanized by the gruesome cruelty of the accused, which I believe was directed more at the ineptness of the government machinery in preventing such acts, than the act itself.  The fact that there are hundreds of such cases languishing around in the country, without the benefit protests, shows that the public at large has accepted it as the lot of the Indian citizen, whose prime focus has become self-insulation. 
 
After the ordeal the helpless, devastated, severly beaten, 'only witness' and the nearly dead girl, lying naked at midnight in the cold dirt by the roadside, would have been hurt far far more by the apathetic public and the police.
 
One way or another the accused will pay for their crime - it does not matter whether they are killed, jailed, or castrated and set free.  What matters now and forever, is the in-human attitude of (at least some of) the public and the police, more than that of the government.
 
Best Regards,
 
Virender
 

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering of the impact of broadcasting a show in which the "only witness" condemns the role of all except rapists in the fate of the victim - the day before the rapists go on trial for murder - the only charge to justify demand for death penalty as per our laws applicable in this case. What does it mean to the case if public apathy, police delays and hospital's lack of caring contributed to the infection that finally killed her? While it is undoubtedly true (along with her last minute Singapore trip), if we want rapists hanged, how useful is it to bring this up after chargesheet is filed and on the evening before trial begins?

Vidyut

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Re: [IAC#RG] Citizens to attach ID proof with RTI applications: HC

Dear Sarabjit Roy,

I will take care that when I post to the Indiaresist, I do it in plain
text format,

Futher I would like to see the paragraph 20 onwards of the judgement
and offer your comments as I am going to take up issues with the State
Information Commission, Punjab. This judgement will have impact in
Chandigarh and Haryana as they fall under the jyurisdiction of the P&H
High Court. Since the Court has implicted the Central Information
Commission too, it may have a wide ranging effect on the Public
Authorities of the Central Goverments.

Also, this judgement reflect the sentiment of the "Namit Sharma"
judgement of Apex Court.

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On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Naveen Tewari <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Sarbajit,
>
> Pl refer to your mail below. Of course the ID proof will be mandatory in
> the case of access to information under 4-1b too if it is so for disclosure
> since the Right is given only to Indian Citizens. The act itself says so in
> its preamble, section-2(j)and section 3. It is a different matter though
> that the information available on the website can be accessed by anyone as
> of now.
>
> Please stop the practice of pronouncing laws.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Naveen Tewari
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On ०६-०१-२०१३, at १२:३५ पूर्वाह्न, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mandar
>
> The RTI Act distinguishes between information "dissemination" (ie.
> proactively / suo-moto) to the entire world, and information "disclosure"
> (ie. on formal application to be provided to AN INDIAN CITIZEN - WITHIN
> INDIA on payment).
>
> In the 2nd case, the public authority can demand proof of the above 2
> criteria before disclosing the information.
>
> PS: I haven't read the PHC judgment as yet.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Mandar Jog <mandarjog@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think we should be able to request this anonymously.
>>
>> RTI act Chapter II, 1(a) says that the public authority should have this
>> info computerized and easily accessible.
>>
>> Someone had to put in an RTI request because information that should have
>> been public was not public.
>> If the information was public in the first place, it could have been
>> accessed anonymously.
>>
>> I understand that we should protect the system from requests whose only
>> intent is to burden the system, but there are other ways to achieve that.
>>
>> Whether some information is public or not does not and should not depend
>> on who is asking for it.
>>
>> - Mandar
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Re: [IAC#RG] Citizens to attach ID proof with RTI applications: HC

Dear friends
RTI Act does not require any citizens  to produce any proof of citizenship or identity at the time of seeking information. That's why Central Govt. and  many State Govt.  have not made  any provision  of submission of proof of citizenship  at the time of applying for information under their respective Rules. But In Odisha,  The State Govt. under Odisha RTI Rules  have made  mandatory provision of  submitting proof of citizenship   at the time of  submitting RTI Application  under section 6(1) of the RTI Act.  For which  many RTI Activists  who  have been seeking  information to expose corruption in Odisha  have been identified  by the goons and beaten up  severely. False case  has been lodged against them.  We the RTI Activists in Odisha have  been demanding  for withdrawal of this system  in the state since 2006.    The identity of whistle blower should not be disclosed.

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On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Naveen Tewari <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Sarbajit, 

Pl refer  to your mail below. Of course the ID proof will be mandatory in the case of access to information under 4-1b too if it is so for disclosure since the Right is given only to Indian Citizens. The act itself says so in its preamble, section-2(j)and section 3. It is a different matter though that the information available on the website can be accessed by anyone as of now. 

Please stop the practice of pronouncing laws. 

Sincerely 

Naveen Tewari 



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On ०६-०१-२०१३, at १२:३५ पूर्वाह्न, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Mandar

The RTI Act distinguishes between information "dissemination" (ie. proactively / suo-moto) to the entire world, and information "disclosure" (ie. on formal application to be provided to AN INDIAN CITIZEN - WITHIN INDIA on payment).

In the 2nd case, the public authority can demand proof of the above 2 criteria before disclosing the information.

PS: I haven't read the PHC judgment as yet.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Mandar Jog <mandarjog@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we should be able to request this anonymously.

RTI act Chapter II, 1(a) says that the public authority should have this info computerized and easily accessible.

Someone had to put in an RTI request because information that should have been public was not public.
If the information was public in the first place, it could have been accessed anonymously.

I understand that we should protect the system from requests whose only intent is to burden the system, but there are other ways to achieve that. 

Whether some information is public or not does not and should not depend on who is asking for it.

- Mandar


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Re: [IAC#RG] caring for girls and women

An open letter to Justice J.S. Verma 

Dear Justice J.S. Verma,

This is the second time I am writing a letter to you. The first was soon after you retired as Chief Justice of India in early 1998. On our request, you had written an article for the Indian Express, where I was in charge of the editorial page. A cheque was sent to you from the accounts department along with a voucher full of cryptic abbreviations that made it look like some version of the Da Vinci Code.

You could make neither head nor tail of the payment and you sent the cheque back to us with a question mark. It was my job to send you a revalidated cheque with an explanatory letter and you were gracious enough to accept the payment, though you refused to write a regular column for us.

It is a measure of the confidence the people have in you that the government has appointed you to head the three-member committee to suggest legal steps to counter the growing threat of rape women face in this country. Former Chief Justice of the Himachal Pradesh High Court Justice Leila Seth and former Solicitor General Gopal Subramaniam, who are your co-members, are persons of exceptional personal integrity and legal acumen. As a citizen, I trust your collective ability to come up with some practical suggestions.

Cynical governments have in the past appointed judges like you, more to control situations from going out of control than to seek solutions to problems. The Sri Krishna Commission, which went into the Mumbai riots, is a case in point.

This time I give the government the benefit of the doubt because your brief is limited and you have been given just a month to complete your work. Neither the economy, nor the population has grown at the rate at which incidents of rape have increased – a whopping 740 per cent since 1953, when statistics on the subject began to be tabulated by the National Crime Records Bureau.

To be frank, there would have been no need to give you this task when you could have been enjoying your post-retirement life, if the government had cared to read and implement the recommendations of at least four Law Commissions on strengthening the anti-rape laws.

Before I come to the subject, let me request you to revisit the law (Section 228A of the IPC) that prevents the media from revealing the identity of the 23-year-old girl, who was gang-raped on December 16 and who died in Singapore on December 29. The law should be valid only in rape cases, not in rape and murder cases.

The death of the girl has transformed the rape case; the main charge the six rapists, including the so-called juvenile, face is murder. The tragedy apart, any person would love to have such a girl as his daughter or sister. She was so good in her studies that her father sold his property to pay her fees, which came to Rs 1.80 lakh.

As reports suggest, she was a role model for the youth in her locality, who would find the light switched on in her one-room house in New Delhi late into the night, as she was busy studying. Now that she is no more, why should the government threaten the media of action if her name is revealed?

In the absence of a real name, the Times of India called her Nirbhay (Fearless) and Outlook christened her Jagruti (Awakened). Let me call her Jyoti (Light), which also fits her well. Few people have noticed that she was an extraordinarily brave girl, who risked her life in protecting her friend. I have heard some people ask why she was with that boy at that time. She was betrothed to him and they were to marry in February next. They had gone to watch the movie "Life of Pi" at a mall in Saket (6 pm show) and were returning home on a bus!

You would have noticed Union Minister Shashi Tharoor's suggestion that the new anti-rape law should be named after the brave girl. The government's response has been disheartening, to say the least. It says it is an American practice to name a Bill after the Congressman who moved it and no provision in the Indian Penal Code can be named after an individual. Lawmakers have to be creative and they should not behave like prisoners of tradition. The heavens will not fall if the new Bill you are supposed to propose says after the brief introduction, "hereinafter called Jyoti law". There are some precedents for it.

Even those who have only a modicum of knowledge of law have heard about the Sarda Act. I do not have to tell you that the Act refers to the Child Marriage Restraint Act, 1929, passed by the British India Legislature on September 28, 1929. It fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years. It is known by the name of its sponsor, Rai Sahib Harbilas Sarda.

In 1997, the Supreme Court had issued certain guidelines to be followed by every organization employing women to deal with the problem of "sexual harassment at the workplace". It is popularly known as "Vishakha Guidelines". Given these examples, it should be possible for you to creatively name the new law after 'Jyoti', for which all those who were saddened by her death and protested against it in various ways would be eternally grateful to you.

First and foremost, you should redefine rape, which the dictionary defines as "the ravishing or the violation of a woman". But the definition of rape, as in Section 375 of IPC, still stresses on 'penetration'. Though judicial verdicts have modified the Victorian-era law of 1860 to treat a girl as "raped" even if her hymen was intact, provided there was a penis-vagina contact, we have not moved forward on this issue. I do not have to tell you that rape is committed not for sexual gratification alone but to humiliate a person or an entire community represented by her.

Thus rape needs to be redefined. Violation or ravishing of a girl can happen even when she is just inappropriately touched. If the intention is to sexually humiliate or shame her, it should be treated as rape. In fact, there is a strong case for grading of rapes and fixing appropriate and graded punishments. Touching, groping etc in buses, cinema theatres and other public places without the intention of sexual intercourse should be treated as a minor form of rape and a rigorous imprisonment of five years should be fixed.

Attempt to rape in secluded places, which could have led to forced sex, should be treated separately and a punishment of 10 years' rigorous imprisonment would be ideal. If it is a gang rape attempt, every gangster should get 15 years of rigorous imprisonment.

In case a man has forced sex with a girl, the punishment should be 20 years of RI. If it is a gang rape, the punishment should go up to 25 years of RI for each member. If the girl dies because of rape or she is killed, the punishment should be imprisonment till death.

If you feel that death penalty is warranted in "rape-cum-murder" cases, it is fine, though I am personally against capital punishment. In all these cases, if the accused is a uniformed person or an employee of the government, five extra years of imprisonment should be awarded. Similarly, if the victim is a minor, five extra years of imprisonment should be added to the quantum of punishment.

There are now special courts to hear cases related to environment, service matters, labour issues etc. Why not have special courts to hear women-related cases in all the districts? I believe that it is the certainty of punishment, rather than the severity of it, which deters crime. Given this truth, it is a must that hearing of rape cases should be quick.

Ideally, the police should file a case within three months of the occurrence of rape; the court should complete the hearing in three months; the higher court should dispose of the appeal in the next three months; and the guilty punished in the fourth quarter.

There should be only one appeal in rape cases. In the Delhi gang-rape case, the police were able to file the chargesheet in a special court within three weeks. As I write this, I have on my table the newspapers carrying reports about capital punishment awarded to the man who raped and killed 15-year-old Arya on March 6, 2012, in her own house in Kerala. I am really impressed by the quick delivery of justice by Thiruvananthapuram district special judge B. Sudheendra Kumar. However, it is now four years since a Catholic nun was raped in Odisha's Kandhamal district. I still remember that dingy area, under the staircase, where the heinous act was committed. When I visited the spot, all I could do was pray for justice!

In rape cases, "in-camera" trial is now the norm. It should be made mandatory and no crowding of the court should be allowed. No questions about the character of the girl should be allowed, for even a sex worker needs to be protected from rape. Only one defence lawyer -- not a battery of them -- should be allowed in the court to prevent the victim from being intimidated. Judges should be sensitized about women's rights and their needs for privacy.

A rapist is a shameless character. He won't be shamed by arrest and imprisonment. He should, therefore, be made to pay for his shameful conduct. I suggest that any person convicted of rape should be forced to share his property with the girl whom he has raped. His property should be divided equally among his children and the raped person. If, for instance, he has 10 acres of land and two children and a wife, the victim should get 2.5 acres of land as her share. Provision should be made to ensure that her share is given immediately after the conviction.

If the rapist is an employee of a company or government, the victim should also have a claim on his provident fund/gratuity and it should be settled immediately after the conviction. Given the attachment Indians have for property, such a provision will be a great deterrent against forcibly laying hands or any other organ on a woman. I am personally against castration as a punishment but I have a suggestion in this regard.

Though plea bargain -- an agreement in a criminal case between the prosecutor and the defendant whereby the defendant agrees to plead guilty to a particular charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor – is generally not allowed in Indian courts, a convicted rapist who has completed half his jail term should be released if he willingly undergoes medically certified chemical castration. This is allowed in some states in the US.

Since time is of the essence in rape cases and people are still upset over the Delhi incident, I can only hope that the government will incorporate all your suggestions in a new anti-rape Bill. We often claim that women are worshipped in the country by invoking the names of goddesses like Lakshmi and Durga. All that the Indian girl expects is gender equality and the right to live a dignified life, free from sexual harassment. They all look forward to reading your report and seeing how the government responds to it.

As I conclude, let me wish you and your colleagues a very happy and prosperous New Year. May you three be God's instrument to erase the gang-rape blot on the country's image and to usher in a new system, which will ensure that a rapist is punished certainly, quickly and severely and every girl in India can truly feel, to quote Tagore, that her "mind is without fear and the head is held high".

Yours sincerely

The writer can be reached at ajphilip@gmail.com

 

A.J Philip



On 06-Jan-2013, at 10:31 AM, kulbir singh <colkulbir@yahoo.com> wrote:

I personally feel that due credence and respect should be given to these women who sacrifice everything to act as a safety valve to the human lust and emotions. They should be licensed, given proper protection against exploitation, given free medical support, declared as a legal profession free of tax liabilities, their buildings be maintained at the cost of the exchequer and whatever other facility that the public feels must be given to them.
This is one of the means to reduce criminal exploitation and trafficking amongst humans.
My personal view point.

Col Kulbir Singh, Veteran



From: Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] caring for girls and women

Good point.
What happens after a few rounds of emails? Finally all go into oblivion?
Have a method of consolidating the stream of mail on a topic, closing discussion after say a week or  two, and print and send to Public Grievances Secy of Govt of India, is my suggestion.
Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007
On Jan 5, 2013 12:56 AM, "sangeeta tomar" <tomarsangeeta27@gmail.com> wrote:
THE IMMORAL TRAFFIC (PREVENTION) ACT, 1956
Definitions.—In this Act.
(a) "brothel" includes any house, room, conveyance or place, or any portion of any house, room, conveyance or place, which is used for purposes of sexual exploitation or abuse for the gain of another person or for the mutual gain of two or more prostitute.
 
(j) "Trafficking police officer" means a police officer appointed by the Central Government under subsection (4) of Section 13.
 
3. Punishment for keeping a brothel or allowing premises to be used as a brothel.— (1) Any person who keeps or manages, or acts or assists in the keeping or management of, a brothel shall be punishable on first conviction with rigorous imprisonment for a term of not less than two years and which may extend to three years and also with fine which may extend to ten thousand rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent conviction, with rigorous imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than three years and which may extend to seven years and shall also be liable to fine which may extend to two lakh rupees
(2) a any person who,—
(a) being the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of any premises, uses, or knowingly allows any other person to use, such premises or any part thereof as a brothel, or
(b) being the owner, lessor or landlord of any premises or the agent of such owner, lessor or landlord, lets the same or any part thereof with the knowledge that the same or any part thereof is intended to be used as a brothel, or is wilfully a party to the use of such premises or any part thereof as a brothel, shall be punishable on first conviction with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years and with fine which fine which may extend to two thousand rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent conviction, with rigorous imprisonment for a term which may extend to five years and also with fine.
 
WHY I SHARED THIS LAW POSITION WITH YOU ALL-----POINT I WISH TO MAKE
 
1.GB ROADS are places where women/young girls are tortured—CAN ANYONE DENY---NO
 
2. IS THERE NO LAW------NO---------Law is in place and clear --- any  knowingly allows any other person to use such premises as brothel –imprisonment two years
3. How many of the owners are accused, tried and punished under this section 2 of this Act till date.
4. Has Govt appointed trafficking police officer in these area-----if YES---- then what are they doing?
5. IF THE LAW IS IMPLIMENTED CAN AREAS LIKE GB ROAD EXIST---NO
6.ORGANISATIONS AS HUGE AS CRY COLLECT MONEY FROM PUBLIC FOR THESE GIRLS TO REHABILITATE THEM ------------WILL THAT MONEY BE REQUIRED IF THERE ARE NO SUCH AREAS.
7.DO WE NEED MONEY TO CLOSE THESE AREAS-------NO
 
THEN WHY DONT EVERYONE ASK GOVT (WHO EVER IS IN POWER) TO IMPLIMENT THIS LAW
 
OR
SCRAP THIS LAW AND MAKE PROSTITUTIONS LEGAL SO THAT THESE POOR GIRLS AT LEAST HAVE SOME SECURITY IN LIFE AND HAVE LEGAL RIGHTS.
 
NOW YOU ALL KNOW THE LEGAL POSITION------------------ITS TIME FOR YOU AND NGO'S LIKE CRY TO START THINKING AND ACT --------------HOW?
 
1. FILE FIR AGAINST THESE OWNERS!
2. STOP FUNDING AND DONATING TO BIG NGO'S LIKE CRY FOR REHBILITATING THESE GIRLS BECAUSE THIS KEEPS THE MONEY IN CIRCULATION FOR WRONG PURPOSES.INFACT CRY NOG SEND YOUNG GIRLS DOOR TO DOOR TO COLLECT MONEY FOR THE NGO EXPOSING THESE GIRLS TO DANGER OF BEING RAPED.

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