Monday, April 2, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Don't write such nonsense without making proper study. Download and read the two page Supreme Court Order before making such stupid comments. Since people like you are shallow enough not to do this I reproduce here the entire order which has been so badly twisted and distorted by corrupt and venal elements. Pray tell me where are the strictures/comments Supreme Court is supposed to have made against the Army Chief? Where have the supreme court judges asked the General to 'take a walk'?
 
M.G.Devasahayam
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
 

           WRIT PETITION (CIVIL) NO(s). 26 OF 2012

                  IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA

                   CIVIL ORIGINAL JURISDICTION

            WRIT PETITION (CIVIL) NO(s). 26 OF 2012

VIJAY KUMAR SINGH                                         Petitioner(s)

                                VERSUS

UNION OF INDIA                                            Respondent(s)

                            O   R   D     E   R

1. Interlocutory Application for impleadment is rejected.

2.      General Vijay Kumar Singh, Chief of the Army – the petitioner - has approached this Court under Article 32 of the Constitution of India challenging order dated December 30, 2011, Office Memorandum dated July 21, 2011 and order dated July 22, 2011. By these orders/office memorandum, the petitioner's date of birth in the service record has been recognised as May 10, 1950. The petitioner maintains that his date of birth is, in fact, May 10, 1951 and must be treated as such for all purposes in the service record.

3.      A caveat has been filed on behalf of the respondent- Union of India.      The matter initially came up before us on February 3, 2012. In the course of hearing on that date, certain issues cropped up particularly in relation to the decision making process leading to the order dated December 30, 2011. At the request of the learned Attorney General, the matter was adjourned for today.

4.       As        soon     as      the       hearing        commenced     today, Mr. Goolam E. Vahanvati, learned Attorney General, handed over    to    us   a    short    affidavit      of    K.L.    Nandwani,    Deputy Secretary, Ministry of Defence, on behalf of the respondent. The    affidavit       is   taken   on    record.      It    is   stated   in   the affidavit that the order dated December 30, 2011 may be treated as confined to the order holding that statutory complaint filed by the petitioner was not maintainable. The second part of the order dated December 30, 2011 which deals with the merits on the diverse contentions raised in the complaint  has been sought to be withdrawn.

5.       We grant permission to the respondent to withdraw the order dated December 30, 2011 to the extent noted above. In view thereof, the petitioner's grievance with regard to the part of the order dated December 30, 2011 which deals with the merits of the controversy  does not survive.

6.       The principal controversy, accordingly, now remains to the challenge to the Office Memorandum dated July 21, 2011 and the order dated July 22, 2011. By the  Office Memorandum dated July 21, 2011, the respondent has annulled  the order issued by the ADGMP dated February 25, 2011 and has reiterated that the petitioner's official date of birth will continue to be maintained as May 10, 1950.

7.      By order dated July 22, 2011 that followed Office Memorandum dated July 21, 2011, while maintaining that the petitioner's date of birth in the service record continues to be maintained as May 10, 1950, it has been held that there is no reason for it to consider effecting any change in the date of birth of the petitioner as recorded.

8.      We have heard Mr. U.U. Lalit, learned senior counsel  for the petitioner, and Mr. Goolam E. Vahanvati, learned Attorney   General,    and   Mr.   Rohinton   F.   Nariman,   learned Solicitor General, for the respondent-Union of India, at quite some length.

9.      In the course of hearing, Mr. Goolam E. Vahanvati, learned Attorney General, stated that the respondent-Union of India had not questioned the integrity or bonafide   of the petitioner.  He also stated that the contest by the respondent-Union of India to the Writ Petition was on a matter of principle and it did not reflect any lack of faith or confidence in the petitioner's ability to lead the Army.

10.     As a matter of fact, the question before us in the Writ Petition is not about the determination of actual date of birth of the petitioner, but it concerns the recognition of a particular date of birth of the petitioner by the respondent in the official service record.

11.     In   view   of   the   statement     made   by    Mr.   Goolam   E. Vahanvati,    learned     Attorney       General,   and     the   limited controversy in the Writ Petition as indicated above, learned senior counsel for the petitioner does not wish to press the matter further and he seeks withdrawal of the Writ Petition.

12.     Writ Petition is disposed of as withdrawn.

                                   .......................J.

                                   (R.M. LODHA)

NEW DELHI;              .......................J.

FEBRUARY 10, 2012.                 (H.L. GOKHALE)

___________________________________________________________________________________

 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Varghese K George <vkg.george@gmail.com> wrote:

what nonsense! it is as if only General Singh and you are honest! every other general in the army, the cabinet, and of course the supreme court judges who asked him to take a walk, are all corrupt!! OMG!!! such arrogance and self righteousness of a handful are the real danger to democracy in this country....

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:

The MoD mess–The Reality

                                           Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS (Retd)

 

Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.

 Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the official service record."

It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.

This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!

This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who bleed.

 Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.

 This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..




--
Varghese K George
Chief of Bureau (Political)
Hindustan Times
18-20, Kasturba Gandhi Marg
New Delhi - 110 001
Mobile: 91-98100-91710

Sunday, April 1, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

It seems complete IAS lobby has gone against chief,read Mr brijesh mishra's comments in today's jagran.It is sad that person like Brijesh mishra is trying to hide the fact of corruption in defence, just because he has been security adviser n part of this rotten system, at least now he should wake up n support the voice against the corruption to get the India out of this dirty mud so that we can move to become the world power n not the BHIGI BILLI because of few corrupt people in defence deals.Had I bean chief such people would have been high jacked by commandos like chhikara in the ni n beaten to death.

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
I am sorry.
I had replied only to one sender. It has been put out for all.
You are absolutely right. This clutter is totally avoidable

Chhikara

From: suresh nangia <sknangia2004@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
Mr Chhikara / Mr. Mr. Dhillon
 
     Please stop using this board for exchnging pleasantaries  & mobile numbers. This Board is for discussing RTI relates issues / problems. Since both Mr Chhikara and Mr Dhillon both have the respective email id, please switch over to personal exchange mails and do not bother other group members to go through, pardon my saying so, your mutual junk mails
 
       I would urge upon other members also to desist from loading the    group with personal mails
 
S K NANGIA--- On Sun, 1/4/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 1 April, 2012, 6:03 PM

My telephone number is 9560348585 in Gurgaon. Will be glad to speak with you.
Chhikara

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
chhikara sir, i fully agree with you thats the best way but inspite of all efforts of many including of like anna/ramdev,  to bring people together to a size which matters as suggested by you , yet not sucessful. but a single army person,  suddenly can do that shake up ( for  good or bad is another thing,) and  atleast we will get rid of the present lot and rot. then during the transition people can decide the way forward. to day its jungle raj- meri lathi mere bhains. today minister/babus and judges give orders arbitrarily and under present system/rules no one can do any thing to them.   rgds. beniwal     

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 9:59 PM

Dear Sir,
It is nice to see your name on the mail.
Are you from Army Signals as we had an officer at Mhow during 1966-67, when I was doing Signals-OST-16.
with warm raegards,
Col Baldev Dhillon,
Chandigarh--- On Sat, 3/31/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2012, 9:48 AM

Waiting for Some one else to come and do it for you?
Sorry - That is not good.
True; It is the Jawans and the Kisans only who suffer most but can they come together to cleanse the system. All that is needed is a million men in Delhi for two weeks and a national government of carefully selected people can be put in place for one term of  4 years. This can bring about all the changes.

Army is not the answer. Who knows - there may be rogue elements there too. Who will then remove the Musharraf or the Kayani?

'WE THE PEOPLE ?

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 8:26 PM

sir i shall wait for a indian musharraf or kiyani for few years to put the politicians+babus+ some judges in thier right places. presently they all have become kings and have designed the rules to enjoy every thing to do thing arbitrarily.   

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 10:59 AM

The genesis of the entire imbroglio is the endeavour on part of General VK Singh to cleanse the Army as well as the MOD of deep rooted corruption and the well entrenched nexus between the Brokers,MOD and and a few rogue Army Officers involved in the procurement  process of Defence Equipment. 
People are questioning as to why the matter is being raised at this stage just on the eve of his retirement. The answer is that , had he gone about the same way earlier, he would not have  been allowed to  complete even two years of his tenure. They would have found ways to provoke him and even could have engineered defiance / levelling of allegations by the subordinates and coterie of  aspring senior Generals who are cultivated by the Bureaucrats, to subjugate and undermine the authority of highest Armed Forces Leadership.Look at the treatment meted out to   our finest General, Field Martial Maneckshaw who secured an  unprecented and unparalleled Victory in the war against Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh. This bunch of arrogant sycophants , utterly incompetent ,ruthless and having a straglehold on all depts of Govt at the center as well as states is  the real bane of this country. Even their counter parts  in the Police and other Depts  and  feel stifled and  frustrated because if their control and say in all policy matters.so while General Singh coulld succeed in taking disciplinary  action against Army Personnel, the moment he stepped on the MOD territory ,this well planned slur campaign against him was set into motion. They were further emboldened as the Armed Forces by and large were mute spectators to the injustice meted out to him in the DOB acrimony which again was engineered by vested interests which shamefullly included  not only general Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh Prasad but also General JJ singh who together masterminded this to ensure his early exit.
 Having had success in engineering the sacking of Admiral Bhagwat earlier ,the political class and this scheming bureaucracy wanted a repeat of the Bhagwat like ouster to send a chilling  message to the Forces in particular. However unlike in Admiral Bhagwat's case ,this time all Retired generals without exception and their equivalent in other two services have rallied behind General VK Singh because they all have had a taste of the Helplessness and stifled existence in the Service HQs and first hand experience of the autocratic and repressive functioning of the bureaucracy.
It would have been the easiest course of action for him to curry favour with the Govt ,retire on 31 May 12 and secure a GOVERNOR'S tenure for atleast five years like his predecessors, as a price of his silence and acquiescence. Any ordinary mortal would have done that ,but not this man of integrity and honour.a true crusador who has had to suffer tremendous humiliation at the fag end of his glorious career. He not only deserves our appreciation and gratitude for his attempt to cleanse the rot in the MOD and the Govt . He is the true Bharat Ratna.
To that extent Gene
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
we have ourselves to blame for the state of the nation

even now it is not too late to rise as ONE , and rid ourselves of this
menace /cancer

bubbles
On 3/29/12, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:> The MoD mess–The Reality>>                                            Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS> (Retd)>>>> Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal> had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out> UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.>>  Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is> being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back> in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us> in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth> of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of> birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the> official service record.">> It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking> order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold> School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement> orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has> nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy> and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.>> This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!>> This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with> serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended> and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense> of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring> countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free> and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest> andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in> thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he> heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who> bleed.>>  Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army> Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and> thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no> militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military> commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get> them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in> India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.>
>  *This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..*
>
 

Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

what nonsense! it is as if only General Singh and you are honest! every other general in the army, the cabinet, and of course the supreme court judges who asked him to take a walk, are all corrupt!! OMG!!! such arrogance and self righteousness of a handful are the real danger to democracy in this country....

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:

The MoD mess–The Reality

                                           Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS (Retd)

 

Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.

 Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the official service record."

It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.

This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!

This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who bleed.

 Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.

 This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..




--
Varghese K George
Chief of Bureau (Political)
Hindustan Times
18-20, Kasturba Gandhi Marg
New Delhi - 110 001
Mobile: 91-98100-91710

[HumJanenge] Why the Information Commissioners of Odisha shy away from speaking about their performance in the public?

Why the Information Commissioners of Odisha shy away from speaking about their performance in the public?

Dear friends,

On 10.3.2012, in a State-level Workshop on RTI organized  by  an NGO working  among slum-dwellers  of Bhubaneswar Municipality Corporation, Mr. Tarun Kanti Mishra , State Chief Information Commissioner, Odisha had  joined in as Chief Guest  in the inaugural session and I happened  to be Guest of Honour  in this session.  In his inaugural speech, Mr. Mishra spoke about functioning of Odisha Information Commission at  length. He said that long pendency of cases has become a matter of worrying concern and the Commission is trying hard to dispose of the cases quickly. Not quoting name of any organization or RTI Activist, Mr. Mishra  raised the issue of Trust Deficit and how neither the Govt. nor Civil Society takes the Commission into confidence, and everyone suspects the activities of the Commission.  He made an emphatic appeal to all the participants to  pin trust on the Commission and come forward with any issue for resolution on board.   

 

 Only 7 days later, I had another, unique kind of experience with Mr. Jagadanand, SIC, Odisha. To start with, on 18.3.2012, I was invited as a Guest of Honour to a UGC sponsored National Seminar  on RTI  organized  by Choudwar College  where Mr. Jagadanand, State Information Commissioner was  the Chief Guest.  Due to some reasons best known to the College Authority,  my  name was removed  from the inaugural session  and  adjusted in the Plenary Session  as Chairman, which was  addressed  by  a group of Professors and lecturers of different colleges  and  Researchers on RTI.  Astonishingly, Mr. Jagadanand in his speech did not speak a single word on the "functioning of the Commission" or his role and activities as a State Information Commissioner. Rather he gave a lengthy speech sermonising  on how the people should use RTI for getting information, fighting corruption and redressing their grievances and so on.

 

Let us come to the basic issue. As per Section 15(4) of the RTI Act, the State Information Commission is to function independently without being subjected to directions by any authority. Similarly,   under Sections 18, 19 and 20, the Information Commission shall function as a quasi-judicial body to receive complaints/appeals from citizens, enquire and hear them, impose penalty against the defaulting PIOs and order compensation to the aggrieved citizens etc. Under Section 25 (5) of the RTI Act, the Commission shall make recommend to any public authority for bringing its conduct, if and where objectionable or deficient into conformity to the mandate of  the parent Act. 

 

 As is well known, the State Chief Information Commissioner is entitled to get the same amount of salary and allowances as that of an Election Commissioner of India, while  that of the State Information Commissioner   shall be equal to that of the Chief Secretary of the State.  As per latest information, the State Chief Information Commissioners and Information Commissioners are receiving around Rs. 2 lakh per month towards their salary, allowances, other perks taken together.

 

When such a huge money is paid towards the comfort and luxury of Information Commissioners from State Exchequer i.e. poor man's tax money,  each citizen has a right to know  what results they are getting in lieu of the same. It is also expected that the Commissioners, as and when they have an  opportunity to speak in the platforms like the above, should speak candidly about their performance and activities, so that  the citizens can know and react  to them in an informed manner. 

 

But we notice a completely negative trend   in Odisha.  The  State Information  Commissioner who happen to attend several seminars and workshops organized by so-called NGOs as Chief Guest  or Chief Speaker have been found  never sharing their  performance    in the public.  Rather they behave  messiah like  and issue commandments on  how the RTI activists and RTI  users should conduct themselves. In Oriya the Information Comissioner says, " Tume Gandhi  Gopabandhu Pari Lagipada, Suchana Ainaku Gaon gahalire Prachar Kara" ( You work as Gandhi and Gopabandhu and propagate about RTI across  the villages) .  Now the question arises, why the Commission maintains silence on their performance in public domain?  It is because, otherwise, their anti-RTI mindset and hypocrisy will be exposed in the public domain. Before coming to any public meeting, one Information Commissioner collects  so many information  through his private agents  about who are other  speakers coming  to the meeting to share platform with them.  The Information Commissioners were also found shaky in facing questions from the audiences  about their functioning. As a matter of fact, they speak of transparency but maintain secrecy about their activities. Unwarranted  activities  of the Commission like  low disposal of cases due to their inefficiency , asking BPL people to pay fees for information violating Section 7(5) of the RTI Act,  issuing summon to complainants,  disposing the cases  without  ensuring delivery of information to the applicant, not-imposing of fine  against  defaulting PIOs, misappropriating money  under so-called awareness programmes have invited wrath  of the RTI activists in the state which has been  reflected through series of complaints against the Commissioners submitted to Governor  and holding of demonstration  before  the office of the Commission itself.

 

Now the time has come that  the people should ask the Commissioners publicly about their performance in the context of RTI Act   whenever and wherever they come across  them   in any meeting or public platform.   Then only their performance could be subject to scrutiny and monitoring by the public.

Regards

Pradip Pradhan

M-99378-43482

Date- 1.4.2012

 

Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

I am sorry.
I had replied only to one sender. It has been put out for all.
You are absolutely right. This clutter is totally avoidable

Chhikara


From: suresh nangia <sknangia2004@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Mr Chhikara / Mr. Mr. Dhillon
 
     Please stop using this board for exchnging pleasantaries  & mobile numbers. This Board is for discussing RTI relates issues / problems. Since both Mr Chhikara and Mr Dhillon both have the respective email id, please switch over to personal exchange mails and do not bother other group members to go through, pardon my saying so, your mutual junk mails
 
       I would urge upon other members also to desist from loading the    group with personal mails
 
S K NANGIA

--- On Sun, 1/4/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 1 April, 2012, 6:03 PM

My telephone number is 9560348585 in Gurgaon. Will be glad to speak with you.

Chhikara



From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

chhikara sir, i fully agree with you thats the best way but inspite of all efforts of many including of like anna/ramdev,  to bring people together to a size which matters as suggested by you , yet not sucessful. but a single army person,  suddenly can do that shake up ( for  good or bad is another thing,) and  atleast we will get rid of the present lot and rot. then during the transition people can decide the way forward. to day its jungle raj- meri lathi mere bhains. today minister/babus and judges give orders arbitrarily and under present system/rules no one can do any thing to them.   rgds. beniwal     

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 9:59 PM

Dear Sir,
It is nice to see your name on the mail.
Are you from Army Signals as we had an officer at Mhow during 1966-67, when I was doing Signals-OST-16.
with warm raegards,
Col Baldev Dhillon,
Chandigarh

--- On Sat, 3/31/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2012, 9:48 AM

Waiting for Some one else to come and do it for you?
Sorry - That is not good.
True; It is the Jawans and the Kisans only who suffer most but can they come together to cleanse the system. All that is needed is a million men in Delhi for two weeks and a national government of carefully selected people can be put in place for one term of  4 years. This can bring about all the changes.

Army is not the answer. Who knows - there may be rogue elements there too. Who will then remove the Musharraf or the Kayani?

'WE THE PEOPLE ?

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 8:26 PM

sir i shall wait for a indian musharraf or kiyani for few years to put the politicians+babus+ some judges in thier right places. presently they all have become kings and have designed the rules to enjoy every thing to do thing arbitrarily.   

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 10:59 AM

The genesis of the entire imbroglio is the endeavour on part of General VK Singh to cleanse the Army as well as the MOD of deep rooted corruption and the well entrenched nexus between the Brokers,MOD and and a few rogue Army Officers involved in the procurement  process of Defence Equipment. 

People are questioning as to why the matter is being raised at this stage just on the eve of his retirement. The answer is that , had he gone about the same way earlier, he would not have  been allowed to  complete even two years of his tenure. They would have found ways to provoke him and even could have engineered defiance / levelling of allegations by the subordinates and coterie of  aspring senior Generals who are cultivated by the Bureaucrats, to subjugate and undermine the authority of highest Armed Forces Leadership.Look at the treatment meted out to   our finest General, Field Martial Maneckshaw who secured an  unprecented and unparalleled Victory in the war against Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh. This bunch of arrogant sycophants , utterly incompetent ,ruthless and having a straglehold on all depts of Govt at the center as well as states is  the real bane of this country. Even their counter parts  in the Police and other Depts  and  feel stifled and  frustrated because if their control and say in all policy matters.so while General Singh coulld succeed in taking disciplinary  action against Army Personnel, the moment he stepped on the MOD territory ,this well planned slur campaign against him was set into motion. They were further emboldened as the Armed Forces by and large were mute spectators to the injustice meted out to him in the DOB acrimony which again was engineered by vested interests which shamefullly included  not only general Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh Prasad but also General JJ singh who together masterminded this to ensure his early exit.
 Having had success in engineering the sacking of Admiral Bhagwat earlier ,the political class and this scheming bureaucracy wanted a repeat of the Bhagwat like ouster to send a chilling  message to the Forces in particular. However unlike in Admiral Bhagwat's case ,this time all Retired generals without exception and their equivalent in other two services have rallied behind General VK Singh because they all have had a taste of the Helplessness and stifled existence in the Service HQs and first hand experience of the autocratic and repressive functioning of the bureaucracy.

It would have been the easiest course of action for him to curry favour with the Govt ,retire on 31 May 12 and secure a GOVERNOR'S tenure for atleast five years like his predecessors, as a price of his silence and acquiescence. Any ordinary mortal would have done that ,but not this man of integrity and honour.a true crusador who has had to suffer tremendous humiliation at the fag end of his glorious career. He not only deserves our appreciation and gratitude for his attempt to cleanse the rot in the MOD and the Govt . He is the true Bharat Ratna.

To that extent Gene

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
we have ourselves to blame for the state of the nation

even now it is not too late to rise as ONE , and rid ourselves of this
menace /cancer

bubbles

On 3/29/12, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> The MoD mess–The Reality
>
>                                            Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS
> (Retd)
>
>
>
> Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army
> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal
> had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out
> UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.
>
>  Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor
> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is
> being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back
> in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us
> in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth
> of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of
> birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the
> official service record."
>
> It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking
> order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold
> School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement
> orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has
> nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy
> and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.
>
> This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got
> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on
> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is
> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter
> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including
> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal
> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!
>
> This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary
> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with
> serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended
> and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense
> of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring
> countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free
> and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest
> andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in
> thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he
> heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who
> bleed.
>
>  Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army
> Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and
> thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no
> militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military
> commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get
> them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt
> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in
> India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.
>
>  *This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..*
>





Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

Mr Chhikara / Mr. Mr. Dhillon
 
     Please stop using this board for exchnging pleasantaries  & mobile numbers. This Board is for discussing RTI relates issues / problems. Since both Mr Chhikara and Mr Dhillon both have the respective email id, please switch over to personal exchange mails and do not bother other group members to go through, pardon my saying so, your mutual junk mails
 
       I would urge upon other members also to desist from loading the    group with personal mails
 
S K NANGIA

--- On Sun, 1/4/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 1 April, 2012, 6:03 PM

My telephone number is 9560348585 in Gurgaon. Will be glad to speak with you.

Chhikara



From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

chhikara sir, i fully agree with you thats the best way but inspite of all efforts of many including of like anna/ramdev,  to bring people together to a size which matters as suggested by you , yet not sucessful. but a single army person,  suddenly can do that shake up ( for  good or bad is another thing,) and  atleast we will get rid of the present lot and rot. then during the transition people can decide the way forward. to day its jungle raj- meri lathi mere bhains. today minister/babus and judges give orders arbitrarily and under present system/rules no one can do any thing to them.   rgds. beniwal     

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 9:59 PM

Dear Sir,
It is nice to see your name on the mail.
Are you from Army Signals as we had an officer at Mhow during 1966-67, when I was doing Signals-OST-16.
with warm raegards,
Col Baldev Dhillon,
Chandigarh

--- On Sat, 3/31/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2012, 9:48 AM

Waiting for Some one else to come and do it for you?
Sorry - That is not good.
True; It is the Jawans and the Kisans only who suffer most but can they come together to cleanse the system. All that is needed is a million men in Delhi for two weeks and a national government of carefully selected people can be put in place for one term of  4 years. This can bring about all the changes.

Army is not the answer. Who knows - there may be rogue elements there too. Who will then remove the Musharraf or the Kayani?

'WE THE PEOPLE ?

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 8:26 PM

sir i shall wait for a indian musharraf or kiyani for few years to put the politicians+babus+ some judges in thier right places. presently they all have become kings and have designed the rules to enjoy every thing to do thing arbitrarily.   

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 10:59 AM

The genesis of the entire imbroglio is the endeavour on part of General VK Singh to cleanse the Army as well as the MOD of deep rooted corruption and the well entrenched nexus between the Brokers,MOD and and a few rogue Army Officers involved in the procurement  process of Defence Equipment. 

People are questioning as to why the matter is being raised at this stage just on the eve of his retirement. The answer is that , had he gone about the same way earlier, he would not have  been allowed to  complete even two years of his tenure. They would have found ways to provoke him and even could have engineered defiance / levelling of allegations by the subordinates and coterie of  aspring senior Generals who are cultivated by the Bureaucrats, to subjugate and undermine the authority of highest Armed Forces Leadership.Look at the treatment meted out to   our finest General, Field Martial Maneckshaw who secured an  unprecented and unparalleled Victory in the war against Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh. This bunch of arrogant sycophants , utterly incompetent ,ruthless and having a straglehold on all depts of Govt at the center as well as states is  the real bane of this country. Even their counter parts  in the Police and other Depts  and  feel stifled and  frustrated because if their control and say in all policy matters.so while General Singh coulld succeed in taking disciplinary  action against Army Personnel, the moment he stepped on the MOD territory ,this well planned slur campaign against him was set into motion. They were further emboldened as the Armed Forces by and large were mute spectators to the injustice meted out to him in the DOB acrimony which again was engineered by vested interests which shamefullly included  not only general Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh Prasad but also General JJ singh who together masterminded this to ensure his early exit.
 Having had success in engineering the sacking of Admiral Bhagwat earlier ,the political class and this scheming bureaucracy wanted a repeat of the Bhagwat like ouster to send a chilling  message to the Forces in particular. However unlike in Admiral Bhagwat's case ,this time all Retired generals without exception and their equivalent in other two services have rallied behind General VK Singh because they all have had a taste of the Helplessness and stifled existence in the Service HQs and first hand experience of the autocratic and repressive functioning of the bureaucracy.

It would have been the easiest course of action for him to curry favour with the Govt ,retire on 31 May 12 and secure a GOVERNOR'S tenure for atleast five years like his predecessors, as a price of his silence and acquiescence. Any ordinary mortal would have done that ,but not this man of integrity and honour.a true crusador who has had to suffer tremendous humiliation at the fag end of his glorious career. He not only deserves our appreciation and gratitude for his attempt to cleanse the rot in the MOD and the Govt . He is the true Bharat Ratna.

To that extent Gene

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
we have ourselves to blame for the state of the nation

even now it is not too late to rise as ONE , and rid ourselves of this
menace /cancer

bubbles

On 3/29/12, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> The MoD mess–The Reality
>
>                                            Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS
> (Retd)
>
>
>
> Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army
> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal
> had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out
> UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.
>
>  Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor
> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is
> being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back
> in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us
> in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth
> of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of
> birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the
> official service record."
>
> It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking
> order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold
> School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement
> orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has
> nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy
> and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.
>
> This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got
> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on
> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is
> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter
> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including
> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal
> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!
>
> This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary
> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with
> serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended
> and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense
> of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring
> countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free
> and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest
> andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in
> thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he
> heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who
> bleed.
>
>  Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army
> Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and
> thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no
> militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military
> commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get
> them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt
> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in
> India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.
>
>  *This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..*
>



Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

My telephone number is 9560348585 in Gurgaon. Will be glad to speak with you.

Chhikara



From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation

chhikara sir, i fully agree with you thats the best way but inspite of all efforts of many including of like anna/ramdev,  to bring people together to a size which matters as suggested by you , yet not sucessful. but a single army person,  suddenly can do that shake up ( for  good or bad is another thing,) and  atleast we will get rid of the present lot and rot. then during the transition people can decide the way forward. to day its jungle raj- meri lathi mere bhains. today minister/babus and judges give orders arbitrarily and under present system/rules no one can do any thing to them.   rgds. beniwal     

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 9:59 PM

Dear Sir,
It is nice to see your name on the mail.
Are you from Army Signals as we had an officer at Mhow during 1966-67, when I was doing Signals-OST-16.
with warm raegards,
Col Baldev Dhillon,
Chandigarh

--- On Sat, 3/31/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2012, 9:48 AM

Waiting for Some one else to come and do it for you?
Sorry - That is not good.
True; It is the Jawans and the Kisans only who suffer most but can they come together to cleanse the system. All that is needed is a million men in Delhi for two weeks and a national government of carefully selected people can be put in place for one term of  4 years. This can bring about all the changes.

Army is not the answer. Who knows - there may be rogue elements there too. Who will then remove the Musharraf or the Kayani?

'WE THE PEOPLE ?

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 8:26 PM

sir i shall wait for a indian musharraf or kiyani for few years to put the politicians+babus+ some judges in thier right places. presently they all have become kings and have designed the rules to enjoy every thing to do thing arbitrarily.   

--- On Fri, 30/3/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 10:59 AM

The genesis of the entire imbroglio is the endeavour on part of General VK Singh to cleanse the Army as well as the MOD of deep rooted corruption and the well entrenched nexus between the Brokers,MOD and and a few rogue Army Officers involved in the procurement  process of Defence Equipment. 

People are questioning as to why the matter is being raised at this stage just on the eve of his retirement. The answer is that , had he gone about the same way earlier, he would not have  been allowed to  complete even two years of his tenure. They would have found ways to provoke him and even could have engineered defiance / levelling of allegations by the subordinates and coterie of  aspring senior Generals who are cultivated by the Bureaucrats, to subjugate and undermine the authority of highest Armed Forces Leadership.Look at the treatment meted out to   our finest General, Field Martial Maneckshaw who secured an  unprecented and unparalleled Victory in the war against Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh. This bunch of arrogant sycophants , utterly incompetent ,ruthless and having a straglehold on all depts of Govt at the center as well as states is  the real bane of this country. Even their counter parts  in the Police and other Depts  and  feel stifled and  frustrated because if their control and say in all policy matters.so while General Singh coulld succeed in taking disciplinary  action against Army Personnel, the moment he stepped on the MOD territory ,this well planned slur campaign against him was set into motion. They were further emboldened as the Armed Forces by and large were mute spectators to the injustice meted out to him in the DOB acrimony which again was engineered by vested interests which shamefullly included  not only general Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh Prasad but also General JJ singh who together masterminded this to ensure his early exit.
 Having had success in engineering the sacking of Admiral Bhagwat earlier ,the political class and this scheming bureaucracy wanted a repeat of the Bhagwat like ouster to send a chilling  message to the Forces in particular. However unlike in Admiral Bhagwat's case ,this time all Retired generals without exception and their equivalent in other two services have rallied behind General VK Singh because they all have had a taste of the Helplessness and stifled existence in the Service HQs and first hand experience of the autocratic and repressive functioning of the bureaucracy.

It would have been the easiest course of action for him to curry favour with the Govt ,retire on 31 May 12 and secure a GOVERNOR'S tenure for atleast five years like his predecessors, as a price of his silence and acquiescence. Any ordinary mortal would have done that ,but not this man of integrity and honour.a true crusador who has had to suffer tremendous humiliation at the fag end of his glorious career. He not only deserves our appreciation and gratitude for his attempt to cleanse the rot in the MOD and the Govt . He is the true Bharat Ratna.

To that extent Gene

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
we have ourselves to blame for the state of the nation

even now it is not too late to rise as ONE , and rid ourselves of this
menace /cancer

bubbles

On 3/29/12, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> The MoD mess–The Reality
>
>                                            Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS
> (Retd)
>
>
>
> Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army
> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal
> had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out
> UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.
>
>  Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor
> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is
> being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back
> in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us
> in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth
> of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of
> birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the
> official service record."
>
> It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking
> order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold
> School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement
> orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has
> nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy
> and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.
>
> This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got
> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on
> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is
> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter
> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including
> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal
> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!
>
> This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary
> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with
> serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended
> and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense
> of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring
> countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free
> and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest
> andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in
> thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he
> heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who
> bleed.
>
>  Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army
> Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and
> thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no
> militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military
> commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get
> them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt
> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in
> India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.
>
>  *This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in
> governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..*
>