Friends,
I am ATTACHING a piece on the stand that India might take on the present India-Pakistan stand-off, since there appear to be either peace-at-all-costs or give-'em-hell approaches in the public domain.
IAC would certainly have a view on this subject.
Maj Gen S.G.Vombatkere (Retd)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:20:01 +0800
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To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh
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I am ATTACHING a piece on the stand that India might take on the present India-Pakistan stand-off, since there appear to be either peace-at-all-costs or give-'em-hell approaches in the public domain.
IAC would certainly have a view on this subject.
Maj Gen S.G.Vombatkere (Retd)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:20:01 +0800
From: natarajan218@yahoo.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh
Dear All,
As a principle, no member of IAC should use the forum to cavass the interest of any class. Please remember Gandhiji's last man. Any concession to anybody is at the cost of the poorest and the hungriest. Even the current formula of pay/pension based DearnessAllowance is most unfair to the pooer sections of unorganized sector. DA should be based on minimum need for survival.
With regards
Prof N.Natarajan
Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
Winnability is not the only criteria whilst contesting for
elections.The guy must
not have a record of dishonesty, criminality.Martin Luther King
said"The ultimate
tragedy is not the brutality of bad people but the silence of the good
people".The
racial discrimination in USA was overcome with long struggle starting
from Lincoln,
now you have a black President.
If the elected leaders of India does not curb corruption,criminals in
Politics this
nation is doomed.As per ADR 33% of our legislators have criminal background, the
will of the remainder 67% must prevail. We Indians have a crab mentality, very
adept at running others down. The attachment on FM Cariappa is
illumanitive, soldiers do not compromise on honesty, integrity,
welfare of troops and prepared
to die for the nation. I consider the Indian armed forces the peoples'
armed forces
as it is a voluntary force. Unfortunately the politicians, bureaucrats
treat us with
suspicion do not give the due as the defenders of the nation.The Govt of the day
should have perspective on strategy, tactics for national security
both external,and
internal.Corruption in defence procurements saps the armed forces of
vital preparedness.It is routine for the service chiefs to point out
to PM,RM the shortfalls
in their respective service, Pmo's office leaked out such a
correspondence between
the PM and COAS, it amounts to high treason. I personally held 100 Top Secret
Files, had I BEEN DISHONEST THE NATION'S SECURITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
COMPROMISED.
When I visited my niece in Mumbai , travelling to Pune on the
expressway the toll tax was waived on showing my exservices I card.
Wonder why other states do not
standarddise.Because of the apathy towards the armed forces more and more
younger generation do not join the armed forces resulting in huge
shortage of officers.
The nation that does not respect its armed forces will always be in
peril. Indian history bears testimony to the fact that we Indians have
been subjugated by foreigners for centuries. We have to rid of ji
hazoori, slavish mentality from our
psyche.
Even today my icons are Rabindranath Tagore, Bankim Chatterjee, Subhash Bose'
who gave the nation JANA GANA MANA, JAI HIND, VANDEMATARAM. Raja
Rammohan Roy , Vidyasagar, who reformed our archaical society. MAHATMA
GANDHI gave us Satyagraha, the struggle to oppose evils with truth and
collective
effort.
People like you must lead the transformation process not like politicians with
divide and rule vote bank politics,and denigrating other Indians.God
has given us
enough intellect to distinguish right from wrong.I am now 73 years
old, distressed
for the poverty stricken, helpless common people, personal happiness cannot
come if we do not follow Swami Vivekanadas precepts of HE MURKHA, HE
CHANDAL BHARATBASI AMAR BHAI.
Rabi Thakur said"Where the mind is without fear,And the head is held
high,In that
heaven of freedom let my country awake"
Pardon my rambling, it is a trait with Bengalis.
JAI HIND, VANDE MATARAM SATYAMEV JAYATE, PEOPLE FIRST MISSION ALWAYS
GOD BLESS
Gautam Guha
On 1/18/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wing Cmdr Gautam Guha,
>
> I have carefully gone through my post which you had kindly annexed as
> under. I fail to find anything remotely insulting either to IESM members of
> this forum or IESM members generally.
>
> If you had relied on some other post of mine, kindly annexe it so we can
> discuss the alleged insult(s). We can do this on-list or off-list at your
> convenience.
>
> To save time, if your grouse is about the 2 emails to Gen VK Singh, I may
> mention that I know of at least 3 Generals at least as good as he was who
> stood for Parliament and lost. I am sure you know their names as well as I
> do.
>
> I read your fwd of the Brig's bio. Perhaps you would have read this link
> too :-
>
> http://www.mangalorean.com/browsearticles.php?arttype=Feature&articleid=1895
>
> which is as apt today as it was then. The more things change the more they
> remain the same.
>
> When elections are fought today after tickets are given on carefully
> calculated religious, provincial, caste and other fault lines, what is this
> humbug of VKS and Anna recommending the "most honest" candidate ? Are
> "Honesty" and "Winnability" synonyms ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Gautam Guha <shona.guha9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
>> I wonder who entitled you to insult IESM members on this forum. You seem
>> to have
>> a bug in your khopri against retired defence services personnel. Maybe
>> you
>> can
>> tell us how many wars you fought for the tricolour and the people of
>> India.
>> If you do not desist from insulting IESM members at least I wiil
>> retaliate in kind.Do
>> not test the patience of us veterans. Please carry on your crusade
>> against
>> the
>> prevailing ills of the nation, we are with you.
>> Wg Cdr Gautam Guha
>> Veteran Air Warrior
>>
>> On 1/17/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Col Thakur Singh
>> >
>> > At a micro level, I absolutely agree that some form of toll exemption /
>> > concession may be given to IESMs against production of a secure
>> > authentication token. But the same facility will then be demanded by
>> every
>> > ex-babu and ex-IPS and ex-municipal councillor etc.
>> >
>> > At a macro level, if the Highway is owned by the Govt there should be
>> > no
>> > toll whatsoever.
>> >
>> > I also have no problem with Col Khokar exercising his fundamental
>> > Constitutional rights to "freely" travel the length and breadth of
>> > India,
>> > subject of course to reasonable restrictions. As an Army Officer, the
>> > law
>> > allowed his vehicle to pass freely, as an IESM (he is a civilian) he
>> must
>> > obey the general law like everyone else.
>> >
>> > That is the tragedy (and greatness) of democracy, and perhaps your Jan
>> > Sangh Party
>> > will work with us to reach the common goal for which we have both been
>> > cordially corresponding for so many years now over.
>> >
>> > It is for this reason we are going to be asking for IESMs to be
>> > appointed
>> > as Justice of the Peace (among other things).
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Col Thakur Singh
>> > <thakursinghk@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Ex Army people ought to have been given Toll exemption as we deserve
>> >> it vis-a-vis MPs/MLAs who stand exempted unduly.
>> >>
>> >> This is the whole problem.
>> >>
>> >> So Dear S Roy Sahab it is Col Khokar's legitimate right of which he
>> >> stands deprived off,
>> >> dont you agree being against corruption yourself.
>> >>
>> >> Remember it is only army the savior of the country ever under all the
>> >> circumstances.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Col Thakur Singh
>>
>
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Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh
Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
Winnability is not the only criteria whilst contesting for
elections.The guy must
not have a record of dishonesty, criminality.Martin Luther King
said"The ultimate
tragedy is not the brutality of bad people but the silence of the good
people".The
racial discrimination in USA was overcome with long struggle starting
from Lincoln,
now you have a black President.
If the elected leaders of India does not curb corruption,criminals in
Politics this
nation is doomed.As per ADR 33% of our legislators have criminal background, the
will of the remainder 67% must prevail. We Indians have a crab mentality, very
adept at running others down. The attachment on FM Cariappa is
illumanitive, soldiers do not compromise on honesty, integrity,
welfare of troops and prepared
to die for the nation. I consider the Indian armed forces the peoples'
armed forces
as it is a voluntary force. Unfortunately the politicians, bureaucrats
treat us with
suspicion do not give the due as the defenders of the nation.The Govt of the day
should have perspective on strategy, tactics for national security
both external,and
internal.Corruption in defence procurements saps the armed forces of
vital preparedness.It is routine for the service chiefs to point out
to PM,RM the shortfalls
in their respective service, Pmo's office leaked out such a
correspondence between
the PM and COAS, it amounts to high treason. I personally held 100 Top Secret
Files, had I BEEN DISHONEST THE NATION'S SECURITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
COMPROMISED.
When I visited my niece in Mumbai , travelling to Pune on the
expressway the toll tax was waived on showing my exservices I card.
Wonder why other states do not
standarddise.Because of the apathy towards the armed forces more and more
younger generation do not join the armed forces resulting in huge
shortage of officers.
The nation that does not respect its armed forces will always be in
peril. Indian history bears testimony to the fact that we Indians have
been subjugated by foreigners for centuries. We have to rid of ji
hazoori, slavish mentality from our
psyche.
Even today my icons are Rabindranath Tagore, Bankim Chatterjee, Subhash Bose'
who gave the nation JANA GANA MANA, JAI HIND, VANDEMATARAM. Raja
Rammohan Roy , Vidyasagar, who reformed our archaical society. MAHATMA
GANDHI gave us Satyagraha, the struggle to oppose evils with truth and
collective
effort.
People like you must lead the transformation process not like politicians with
divide and rule vote bank politics,and denigrating other Indians.God
has given us
enough intellect to distinguish right from wrong.I am now 73 years
old, distressed
for the poverty stricken, helpless common people, personal happiness cannot
come if we do not follow Swami Vivekanadas precepts of HE MURKHA, HE
CHANDAL BHARATBASI AMAR BHAI.
Rabi Thakur said"Where the mind is without fear,And the head is held
high,In that
heaven of freedom let my country awake"
Pardon my rambling, it is a trait with Bengalis.
JAI HIND, VANDE MATARAM SATYAMEV JAYATE, PEOPLE FIRST MISSION ALWAYS
GOD BLESS
Gautam Guha
On 1/18/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wing Cmdr Gautam Guha,
>
> I have carefully gone through my post which you had kindly annexed as
> under. I fail to find anything remotely insulting either to IESM members of
> this forum or IESM members generally.
>
> If you had relied on some other post of mine, kindly annexe it so we can
> discuss the alleged insult(s). We can do this on-list or off-list at your
> convenience.
>
> To save time, if your grouse is about the 2 emails to Gen VK Singh, I may
> mention that I know of at least 3 Generals at least as good as he was who
> stood for Parliament and lost. I am sure you know their names as well as I
> do.
>
> I read your fwd of the Brig's bio. Perhaps you would have read this link
> too :-
>
> http://www.mangalorean.com/browsearticles.php?arttype=Feature&articleid=1895
>
> which is as apt today as it was then. The more things change the more they
> remain the same.
>
> When elections are fought today after tickets are given on carefully
> calculated religious, provincial, caste and other fault lines, what is this
> humbug of VKS and Anna recommending the "most honest" candidate ? Are
> "Honesty" and "Winnability" synonyms ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Gautam Guha <shona.guha9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
>> I wonder who entitled you to insult IESM members on this forum. You seem
>> to have
>> a bug in your khopri against retired defence services personnel. Maybe
>> you
>> can
>> tell us how many wars you fought for the tricolour and the people of
>> India.
>> If you do not desist from insulting IESM members at least I wiil
>> retaliate in kind.Do
>> not test the patience of us veterans. Please carry on your crusade
>> against
>> the
>> prevailing ills of the nation, we are with you.
>> Wg Cdr Gautam Guha
>> Veteran Air Warrior
>>
>> On 1/17/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Col Thakur Singh
>> >
>> > At a micro level, I absolutely agree that some form of toll exemption /
>> > concession may be given to IESMs against production of a secure
>> > authentication token. But the same facility will then be demanded by
>> every
>> > ex-babu and ex-IPS and ex-municipal councillor etc.
>> >
>> > At a macro level, if the Highway is owned by the Govt there should be
>> > no
>> > toll whatsoever.
>> >
>> > I also have no problem with Col Khokar exercising his fundamental
>> > Constitutional rights to "freely" travel the length and breadth of
>> > India,
>> > subject of course to reasonable restrictions. As an Army Officer, the
>> > law
>> > allowed his vehicle to pass freely, as an IESM (he is a civilian) he
>> must
>> > obey the general law like everyone else.
>> >
>> > That is the tragedy (and greatness) of democracy, and perhaps your Jan
>> > Sangh Party
>> > will work with us to reach the common goal for which we have both been
>> > cordially corresponding for so many years now over.
>> >
>> > It is for this reason we are going to be asking for IESMs to be
>> > appointed
>> > as Justice of the Peace (among other things).
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Col Thakur Singh
>> > <thakursinghk@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Ex Army people ought to have been given Toll exemption as we deserve
>> >> it vis-a-vis MPs/MLAs who stand exempted unduly.
>> >>
>> >> This is the whole problem.
>> >>
>> >> So Dear S Roy Sahab it is Col Khokar's legitimate right of which he
>> >> stands deprived off,
>> >> dont you agree being against corruption yourself.
>> >>
>> >> Remember it is only army the savior of the country ever under all the
>> >> circumstances.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Col Thakur Singh
>>
>
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