Saturday, August 1, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] The Lawless Lawyers

Sir,
     What about the lawyers who are legally qualified but then flout all ethics by using their connections to Politicians, big business and the like.The very fact Finance Ministry has become monopoly of Lawyers like Chidambaram, Arun Jailey etc shows the power of Delhi Mafia
 
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On Sunday, 2 August 2015 9:21 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:



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                                                                                                                                                      THE  LAWLESS  LAWYERS


The chairman of Bar Council of India said recently in Chennai that one third of the lawyers in India are fake. But, the loud mouthed lawyers did not comment about this startling revelation and are conspicuous by silence.
Drunken brawl between lawyers in Chennai are no more uncommon. Many law students in Chennai have fought  pitched battles with stones and draggers  and murders have been reported. While such unsavoury incidents continue, it now has reached a new low , as the lawyers in Puduchery prevented the magistrate from leaving the chamber, when he remanded a junior lawyer for misconduct. The crowd of lawyers insisted that the accused  lawyer  should be released on bail and the magistrate yielded so that he could come out of the court complex. Similar conditions prevail all over India.
Lawyers are known to say lies without twinkling of eyelid  but the image of the lawyers have now become so tarnished that people are no more surprised , when it is revealed that one third of the lawyers in India are fake.
Many people are now suspicious of some of the judgements and several judges at various levels face accusation of corrupt practices. The lawless lawyers only further reflect on the state of judiciary in India.
It is extremely important that a screening committee should be immediately appointed by government of India to filter out the fake lawyers all over the country. Lawyers all over India should be asked to submit their qualification credentials for verification and the task cannot be simply left to bar council of India.  It is too serious a situation , as judges are being selected out of these lawyers and judiciary has a very important role to play in safeguarding probity in public life.

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Re: [IAC#RG] The Lawless Lawyers

This is a grim situation. But this is no news. The whole of India, every profession is going down in ethics. There is hardly any ethics anywhere- politicians, lawyers. doctors, teachers, govt babus - real disturbing situation. May God save this country 

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On 30-Jul-2015, at 7:44 pm, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:


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The chairman of Bar Council of India said recently in Chennai that one third of the lawyers in India are fake. But, the loud mouthed lawyers did not comment about this startling revelation and are conspicuous by silence.

Drunken brawl between lawyers in Chennai are no more uncommon. Many law students in Chennai have fought  pitched battles with stones and draggers  and murders have been reported. While such unsavoury incidents continue, it now has reached a new low , as the lawyers in Puduchery prevented the magistrate from leaving the chamber, when he remanded a junior lawyer for misconduct. The crowd of lawyers insisted that the accused  lawyer  should be released on bail and the magistrate yielded so that he could come out of the court complex. Similar conditions prevail all over India.

Lawyers are known to say lies without twinkling of eyelid  but the image of the lawyers have now become so tarnished that people are no more surprised , when it is revealed that one third of the lawyers in India are fake.

Many people are now suspicious of some of the judgements and several judges at various levels face accusation of corrupt practices. The lawless lawyers only further reflect on the state of judiciary in India.

It is extremely important that a screening committee should be immediately appointed by government of India to filter out the fake lawyers all over the country. Lawyers all over India should be asked to submit their qualification credentials for verification and the task cannot be simply left to bar council of India.  It is too serious a situation , as judges are being selected out of these lawyers and judiciary has a very important role to play in safeguarding probity in public life.


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Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Any monopoly not delivering the desired results need to be managed for reforms. Rather than breaking IAS, induct in the govt experienced professionals who are vested with all govt projects. Babus handle the policy and regulations and all projects are lead by these chief executives who report to the minister and not babus. These chief executives come on contract for 2-3 years and renewed based upon their performance. They are self starters and need no pushing. Babus are pushed by the MLAs, MPs, ministers etc whose job it is to ensure that all govt clearances, permissions for the projects are delivered in time. Chief executives are self contained in all the facets of projects, tendering, commercials, finance, accounts etc. Babus only do what they can do. They can forget about workd class feta like putting a train below the earth in Chawri Bazar. Competition lights up fire under the seats which improves performance. The wheat gets separated from chafe. The softer Babus automatically get side lined, the performers rise. This is what the nation needs.

With warm regards, 

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On 30-Jul-2015, at 7:12 pm, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry Dr Jain, you seen to have got carried away by the opulance of the district collector's office! The best of them are simply good clerks and nothing more. But most of them are idiots/traitors. You are welcome to go through my blog 'IAS- INDIAN ASSHOLES-ON-STRIKE SERVICE' at

They are just custodians of documents with a skill set-making briefs and answering comprehension questions- acquired by anybody who has been to school beyond 5th standard! Of course for the UPSC exam they ask a lot of irrelevant questions- more in the nature of buying lottery tickets than serving any meaningful purpose!

A case study of these clerks have subverted the RTI Act will by itself prove what a treacherous lot we have for assisting the politically elected decision makers in the governance of the country! Again you may go through my series of blogs - -RTIA-EXPOSING THE IDIOTS AND TRAITORS AMOUNG PUBLIC SERVANTS- at  http://raviforjustice.blogspot.in

regards n bw

ravi



On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM, "Dr. NC Jain" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear sir
   In my opinion, IAS should not be scrapped . Its training should be modified according to circumstances and new environment.IAS is the cream of Indians and they should be encouraged to use their maximum potential. Today, India is free and we have to make Indians free. IAS officers can play an important role to make Indians free.
Dr N C Jain
27-7-15 



On Monday, July 27, 2015 7:40 AM, umesh rohatgi <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


if they wish to serve is there than make sure you reward people who come to you instead of them punishment and at least talk to them as equal offer chair to them and then talk to them and don't attend any one call while you are taking to them and see how y can help them and rules are there to help people not punish. change the attitude first
 umesh rashmi rohatgi



On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:22 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


I am glad to see a post by a civil service aspirant here! I have to admit one fact-there is not one civil service aspirant who had not stated that the reason they wanted to join the civil services is to serve the society. The range of sincerity in  those words may vary from 0 pc to 100 pc. But it is equally true that sooner than later, once in service, they transform from service providers to perks and privilege seekers! 

One observation that needs to be commented upon is the one regarding institutional overhauling vs societal overhauling. Let us admit there will always be a few undesirable elements in all societies and it is to check these undesirable elements that we have the elaborate system of governance. So the one point agenda of every society, as a society, should be to make this govt work. And that is why we need to go for institutional overhaul and not societal overhaul! The former should be pragmatic and the latter a mere wild goose chase.

Now, those interested may read my two blogs:


and

'RTI Act-Shailesh Gandhi and Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy' at

regards

ravi

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Dipanshi Rathore <rathore.dipanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will sound very simple. but needs a very broad understanding to be able to assimilate!
a)India needs a specific kind of an educational reform to undo the conditioning that has crept deep into the minds
b) moral standards need to be reinvoked
c) spirituality is the key to bring high moral ground among the people and only it can take the country on the path of being a super power in the coming future
No institutional/ machinery overhauling is required! It is the societal overhauling that is needed.

Regards
Dipanshi
(A Civil Service Aspirant)
On 18-Jul-2015 12:25 am, "Vidyut" <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
There are problems with the IAS, there are problems with politicians. Alas, controlling each other is rarely about public interest. Perhaps I am cynical, but I don't think there are any magic fixes. Boring as it seems without a quick pill, I think it is going to take alert citizens relentlessly demanding accountability, scrutinizing and curbing every wrong that comes to light.

I think people consider the government or bureaucracy more like a service that ought to be perfect or you will call up customer service. Alas, in a democracy, the final boss is the citizen and it may be like herding cats, but in the end of the day, they will have to keep an eye on their employees and reward, punish or remove as necessary.

The most important thing is to mobilize people. Not go one morcha or andolan or against one bad guy, but in the spirit of vigilant and involved management of their own country.

Perfection is a convenient mirage that allows people to shruf off their own role on the stage. The only hope is continuous improvement.

Vidyut

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
You may like to go through the appended write up written by an IAS officer  . Though it is long but worth reading  . 
I have read every word  but found that he has not analyzed  as to who has been responsible for  bringing such a state of affair of our country. 

It is my feeling that the so called Steel Frame of the country, the bureaucratic set up is responsible . This gets confirmed when  we analyze  working of our governing system after independence. It has  been the bureaucrats who kept on grabbing all the powers by be-fooling both the politicians and the public by twisting the rules to meet the requirements of the people whom they wanted to help.

Such a situation would have never creeped in our governing system had  they  been fair to all with  the authority and the powers they were enjoying .All these years the Joint Secretary of a Ministry  is considered as the Government. 


Please advise if I am wrong in my analyses.

Brig J S Ahuja

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
My Dear Gaur,

How are you?

I wonder if this topic is discussed in the NDC!!!!!*:) happy

We require Administrative and political reforms. But dear Gaur all the Governments are being managed by the IAS!!! Does any one think IAS would let any such reforms take place and above all be implemented!! Just look at OROP case!!!

We need a military/Presidential take over for two years in which the agenda should be administrative and political reforms and then hand over the reigns back to the new dispensation. I agree it is an Utopian idea but if we need to achieve some thing such ideas have to come up.

My considered view is that India is going to go down the drain and China-Pak combine will subjugate us in a decade or two may be. Things on the ground for common people including our types are very bad indeed and deteriorating fast.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen


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Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

13/7/15

Yes, but will it not be a piece-meal change?
Our whole system of governance is based on the colonial british model.
Our judicial system is based on the same.
Our laws are based on the same. Some laws are as old as 1860 just after it was taken over by the Imperial power.
Our Constitution is primarily drawing upon the British Model. 
Yet the realisation that changes are needed in the institutions of Governance should lead to the desired changes sooner or later.
Hiring of experts/advisors outside the IAS system could be one way to dilute their dominance. Mr. Modi seems to have realised and doing so in some areas.
JKGaur

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:15:59 +0530
Subject: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Forwarding as received, for it makes a lot of sense, sharing this article specially with those among us, who love welfare of our Society, our Armed Forces, and above all, our country as a whole.  It is an open fact that they are also the creator of the problem that is existing and around the widely known subject matter as OROP issue !
Anil Dhir


Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:34:09 +0530
Subject: Fwd: It's time to shut the IAS down
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It's time to shut the IAS down

                    ( A forward as received)

 
Last updated on: June 08, 2015 13:17 IST
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern. Mihir S Sharma explains.
If Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will not be entirely his fault.
After all, he has moderated his promises.
The shining vision of India's future he outlined in early 2014 has been replaced by the -- still inspiring -- set of aspirations listed in the 2015 Budget.
A house for everyone by 2022, with 24-hour power, clean drinking water, a road and modern sanitation; one job per family, medical and skilling facilities close by, and much else of that nature.
You cannot fault his targets, and you cannot fault his energy.
If he seems to have little idea of how to get there, well, he was never asked for such details about implementation on the campaign trail, so it's a little late to complain now.
The problem is that he is trying to drive the country to these oh-so-distant targets by 2022, but he still has the same old car with which to do it.
Today, in the middle of 2015, it is doubly, triply, quadruply clear that changing the driver was not enough -- the driver was never the biggest, the realest problem. The real problem is the car.
Modi might have the will, the energy, the sincerity and the ambition. But unless he fundamentally changes the system that implements his will, that realises his ambition, he is doomed to fail.
And that system is the Indian government and its bureaucracy. I want you to pause for a moment to think, as objectively as you can, about how farcical it is.
We, the world's fastest-growing economy and its largest democracy, have a state structure basically unchanged from the extractive system set up to rule a vast, pastoral country on behalf of a distant island nation.
We have a twice-born bureaucracy that holds so much power.
Why? Because they are the happy inheritors of a system in which civil servants would have been loyal to Queen and Whitehall, but ministers may have been dangerously nationalist -- and thus needed to be easily vetoed or blocked.
We still have a tenured, generalist civil service, organised on Victorian public-school principles, even as our economy and governance become fiendishly more complex.
Every single foreign investor, foreign do-gooder, foreign diplomat, is astounded by both the intelligence of their Indian bureaucratic interlocutor and their -- much of the time -- complete and utter ignorance of the issues at hand.
What else can you expect?
The person having to deal with FIIs today may have been dealing with water harvesting yesterday.
No matter how high your rank in a deadly dull competitive examination in the early 1980s, you will not handle that transition seamlessly.
It is natural, therefore, that you take no risks and show no imagination; you are, after all, always a step behind those you are regulating or governing.
It is less natural that you are incredibly arrogant even while being that step behind. (Or to suppose that anyone else in government being paid more than you would be a colossal, extraordinary insult to the Indian Republic, equivalent to Bangladesh annexing most of Eastern India. Imagine if a tax expert or a lawyer was hired from the private sector and paid more than the Cabinet Secretary! The whole edifice of government would collapse! Anarchy would rule! Four southern states would sink into the sea! Etc, etc)
We have an un-fire-able, unaccountable civil service, which can screw up as much as it likes -- consider, for example, the monumental error that was the FII-MAT (minimum alternate tax) imbroglio -- and still will face no consequences.
This is the largest cause of the institutionalised mediocrity that holds this country back. Even promotions are largely dependent on seniority and not record; nobody would run any other organisation thus, but it's OK to run a complicated, under-governed country like this?
Ah, we are told, but insulating administrators is necessary to ensure they are not subject to politicisation -- to ensure they are "independent".
This laughable claim can only be the product of wilfully refusing to actually read even one newspaper headline over the past 20 years.
Who can claim that bureaucrats are not politicised, given contemporary history? How many have simply refused to sign what they are supposed to? There are some such glorious names, but vanishingly few.
Combine these three factors, and you have a government machinery that is unaccountable, under-informed, and all-powerful. It lacks creativity. It automatically stifles innovation (witness the colossal idiocy underlying its shutdown of Uber in the capital).
There is no alternative but to shut these people down. Root-and-branch reform, beginning with an end to the imperial-era privileges of the Indian Administrative Service.
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern.
The prime minister, sadly, agrees with that.
He, too, seems to imagine that his transformative promises can be operationalised and implemented by the same people who have failed us for 70 years.
His first action on entering 7, Race Course Road, was to tell the secretaries to the Union that they could speak to him directly, cutting out their ministers.
Subsequently he took over all appointments. This is in a way natural; when Modi was appointed chief minister of Gujarat, he had no experience of -- or history of interest in -- policy.
Guess who he turned to? Perhaps that's why the bureaucrats other Indians see as obstructive, backward-looking monuments to institutional arrogance are seen by our prime minister as gentle tutors in the art of governance.
This is a pity, since the only way he will actually transform India is by first transforming its hopelessly out-of-date government.
Actually, if Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will be entirely his fault. He should have started by ending the IAS.









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Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

In the interests of legibility, I urge everyone, and particularly those who reply with more than a couple of lines to press the "enter" key twice to add two line breaks instead of one when starting new paragraph. It immediately makes your writing easier to read (and thus your views reach more people) as well as reduces eye strain for the few of us reading all the messages.

Like this.

Wishing us all a happy friendship day.

Vidyut

Re: [IAC#RG] It is Time to shut the IAS Down

Gen Phagura, a point of academic interest. If you will be kind enough to give examples. Has Pak Army suffered from incidents like the '84 mutiny in some Indian Army (IA) Sikh formations or the Nyoma indicipline or fleeing of Infantry soldiers sent for exercise in the UK? Situation of '84 and desire to migrate is there as Pak Army has lost 3,500 men combating Islamist terrorists and economy is in bad shape. Also sir fratricide rate in IA is 8 to 10 per month. What is it in Pak Army? Thanks n regards. Sandeep Dikshit.

I think specialists and experts in different fields may have to be given more decisive roles in the govt to make a meaningful difference in governance.

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On 25-Jul-2015, at 9:16 am, Randhir Phagura <rsphagura@gmail.com> wrote:

Madam Zaidi,

Yes. That is right. Bush was really dumb. But then, They too have the 'dynasty' problems like ours. An odd president of the 'Bush type' did do a lot of harm not only to the US but to the whole world economy. It would happen though rarely in even a good system of government. No system seems to be 'idiot' proof. But in our case, there is a whole series of 'idiots' of all types and they , more or less, continuously occupy their 'thrones'. Under these conditions it is really a wonder how India survived this far! We must be the most pliant and self-centric nation in the entire world. We are proving the Bible true when it says, "The meek shall inherit the earth!".
As for China, theirs' is the most autocratic system. They can dictate anything to any of their officials. But we have the halter of democracy, human rights and all the other freedoms one can think of. With the result that India, as it is now, has become a very difficult country to govern and administer.
Madam, the Indian defence forces inherited the strict ethos, discipline, professionalism and dedication from the British Indian Defence Forces. After Independence while the Defence Forces endeavoured to upkeep those ethos because, that was the best 'Military Culture' in the World. Today, while the world has repeatedly praised the Indian Defence Force, here at home, all other 'bastions' thus inherited from the British have fallen to 'greed and indolence'. The IAS have completely overthrown that inherited good work culture. In fact, IAS and politician combine has done the biggest disservice to our nation.

Thanks & Regards,

Randhir Phagura

Maj Gen (Retd.)

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Shama Zaidi <shamazaidi@gmail.com> wrote:
These are all very well-articulated points Maj Gen Phagura, and specialization of the official cadre is vital for our progress. Perhaps inducting specialists from outside the IAS by each incoming government might work out better. These persons would be for the duration of the ruling party/coalition and would resign at the end of the term. This is the practice as you well know in the USA. I do not know how it works in China, but they have had competitive exams for 2000 years, and probably know more about how to handle bureaucrats, than any other country in the world. Granted that our elected politicians are not very bright, but then George Bush was a certified idiot, as are many elected members in the USA.

On 18 July 2015 at 09:19, Randhir Phagura <rsphagura@gmail.com> wrote:
While the article gives valid arguments for reform of the 'great' IAS, the real problem are the politicians. These are not enlightened people but only the riff-raff 'dadas' who have climbed up to their respective positions over the shoulders of our naive, gullible, ignorant and indolent compatriots. Many of them are coerced by these 'dadas' through the neo-feudal and neo-vassal system that is yet rife in our unfortunate land.
These politicians are not knowledgeable about anything. Their mental capabilities are very limited. If they had any capability then they would not have chosen politics as a career; they might have joined the IAS or the Services or other such competitive avenues. They, therefore, have no clues about the ministries allocated to them. Hence, they are completely dependent on the Babu who is very intelligent and cunning and plays tricks on them in such a way that they literally 'eat out of his hands'. They are thus very happy with the arrangement and support the Babu to run his writ as he pleases. They have not joined politics to serve the people but to serve themselves and just to fill the gap in the vacancies left by the intelligentsia who do not wish to 'dirty their hands', so to say! Hence, the idea of reforming the IAS would never ever enter their head.
Modi is a different politician in that he wishes to serve the Nation and he is sincere about it. He is exerting himself to the hilt. But results are not matching his efforts. Reason again is limited capability. Now consider the capabilities of say Obama, Putin or even XI with those of Narinder Modi. He too, therefore, was not very clear as to 'HOW' he has to proceed in order to get to the very laudable objectives that he had spelled in the beginning.
But capability is not the only handicap. The other impediment is opposition to him within the party. His position is anything but strong in the BJP. Recall that the same people who are today occupying prominent positions in his cabinet were, at one stage, opposed to him till he got the thumping majority for them. They are still watchful for any slip by him. That might be the reason that he could not take any action against the 'fraudulent ladies'. Hence, he cannot take any strong decision such as were taken by Indira Gandhi, as PM. The question of reforming the IAS, then, may not have entered his thoughts, as yet. In due course as and when he is on a firmer ground, politically, he may venture upon it.
Meanwhile, one important aspect of the IAS reforms was to confine them to particular branches of administration such as 'Finance' 'Home', 'Defence' and so on; just as the services are confined to their respective arms and services. The IFS are already specialists in the External Affairs and hence, better informed about their subject. The same could be done for other branches of administration. Taking the totals for the States as well, there would be sufficient vacancies in each branch.
The intelligentsia, on its part, must bring out the subject topic in the open and let it be discussed in the TV and print media.Confining to the internet is a limitation.

Regards,

Randhir Phagura

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Re: [IAC#RG] Petition for True - up for FY 2013-14, Review 2014-15 and ARR for FY 2015-16 (R-33 B)

To:
1) Secretary, DERC
2) TPDDL(Regulatory Division)


Dear Sir(s)/ Madam(s),

With reference to the hearing notice for 4-August-2015 at theSiri Fort Auditorium, I sincerely hope and expect that the Hon'ble Commission shall issue suitable directions that only the registered respondents who have actually responded are allowed into the venue, and that the proceedings are not disturbed, like they were last year, by strangers seeking to derive political advantage or other advantage .

We further expect that the Hon'ble Commission shall not recognise such persons or allow them to speak if they some how manage to gain entry. 

That furthermore if such persons raise political slogans inside or nearby the police should be promptly directed to expel them forthwith and produce them before a magistrate.

respectfully

Er. Sarbajit Roy
Respondent No.33-B
National Convenor,
India Against Corruption, janandolan
New Delhi.


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Please find enclosed our response on your comments on Petition for True up for FY 13-14, Review 2014-15 and ARR for FY 2015-16 forwarded by Hon'ble Commission vide  email dated  july  24, 2015.

 

 

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Thursday, July 30, 2015

[IAC#RG] The Lawless Lawyers


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India Against Corruption




                                                                                                                                                      THE  LAWLESS  LAWYERS



The chairman of Bar Council of India said recently in Chennai that one third of the lawyers in India are fake. But, the loud mouthed lawyers did not comment about this startling revelation and are conspicuous by silence.

Drunken brawl between lawyers in Chennai are no more uncommon. Many law students in Chennai have fought  pitched battles with stones and draggers  and murders have been reported. While such unsavoury incidents continue, it now has reached a new low , as the lawyers in Puduchery prevented the magistrate from leaving the chamber, when he remanded a junior lawyer for misconduct. The crowd of lawyers insisted that the accused  lawyer  should be released on bail and the magistrate yielded so that he could come out of the court complex. Similar conditions prevail all over India.

Lawyers are known to say lies without twinkling of eyelid  but the image of the lawyers have now become so tarnished that people are no more surprised , when it is revealed that one third of the lawyers in India are fake.

Many people are now suspicious of some of the judgements and several judges at various levels face accusation of corrupt practices. The lawless lawyers only further reflect on the state of judiciary in India.

It is extremely important that a screening committee should be immediately appointed by government of India to filter out the fake lawyers all over the country. Lawyers all over India should be asked to submit their qualification credentials for verification and the task cannot be simply left to bar council of India.  It is too serious a situation , as judges are being selected out of these lawyers and judiciary has a very important role to play in safeguarding probity in public life.


N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice For The Deprived

Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Sorry Dr Jain, you seen to have got carried away by the opulance of the district collector's office! The best of them are simply good clerks and nothing more. But most of them are idiots/traitors. You are welcome to go through my blog 'IAS- INDIAN ASSHOLES-ON-STRIKE SERVICE' at

They are just custodians of documents with a skill set-making briefs and answering comprehension questions- acquired by anybody who has been to school beyond 5th standard! Of course for the UPSC exam they ask a lot of irrelevant questions- more in the nature of buying lottery tickets than serving any meaningful purpose!

A case study of these clerks have subverted the RTI Act will by itself prove what a treacherous lot we have for assisting the politically elected decision makers in the governance of the country! Again you may go through my series of blogs - -RTIA-EXPOSING THE IDIOTS AND TRAITORS AMOUNG PUBLIC SERVANTS- at  http://raviforjustice.blogspot.in

regards n bw

ravi



On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM, "Dr. NC Jain" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear sir
   In my opinion, IAS should not be scrapped . Its training should be modified according to circumstances and new environment.IAS is the cream of Indians and they should be encouraged to use their maximum potential. Today, India is free and we have to make Indians free. IAS officers can play an important role to make Indians free.
Dr N C Jain
27-7-15 



On Monday, July 27, 2015 7:40 AM, umesh rohatgi <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


if they wish to serve is there than make sure you reward people who come to you instead of them punishment and at least talk to them as equal offer chair to them and then talk to them and don't attend any one call while you are taking to them and see how y can help them and rules are there to help people not punish. change the attitude first
 umesh rashmi rohatgi



On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:22 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


I am glad to see a post by a civil service aspirant here! I have to admit one fact-there is not one civil service aspirant who had not stated that the reason they wanted to join the civil services is to serve the society. The range of sincerity in  those words may vary from 0 pc to 100 pc. But it is equally true that sooner than later, once in service, they transform from service providers to perks and privilege seekers! 

One observation that needs to be commented upon is the one regarding institutional overhauling vs societal overhauling. Let us admit there will always be a few undesirable elements in all societies and it is to check these undesirable elements that we have the elaborate system of governance. So the one point agenda of every society, as a society, should be to make this govt work. And that is why we need to go for institutional overhaul and not societal overhaul! The former should be pragmatic and the latter a mere wild goose chase.

Now, those interested may read my two blogs:


and

'RTI Act-Shailesh Gandhi and Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy' at

regards

ravi

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Dipanshi Rathore <rathore.dipanshi@gmail.com> wrote:
It will sound very simple. but needs a very broad understanding to be able to assimilate!
a)India needs a specific kind of an educational reform to undo the conditioning that has crept deep into the minds
b) moral standards need to be reinvoked
c) spirituality is the key to bring high moral ground among the people and only it can take the country on the path of being a super power in the coming future
No institutional/ machinery overhauling is required! It is the societal overhauling that is needed.

Regards
Dipanshi
(A Civil Service Aspirant)
On 18-Jul-2015 12:25 am, "Vidyut" <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
There are problems with the IAS, there are problems with politicians. Alas, controlling each other is rarely about public interest. Perhaps I am cynical, but I don't think there are any magic fixes. Boring as it seems without a quick pill, I think it is going to take alert citizens relentlessly demanding accountability, scrutinizing and curbing every wrong that comes to light.

I think people consider the government or bureaucracy more like a service that ought to be perfect or you will call up customer service. Alas, in a democracy, the final boss is the citizen and it may be like herding cats, but in the end of the day, they will have to keep an eye on their employees and reward, punish or remove as necessary.

The most important thing is to mobilize people. Not go one morcha or andolan or against one bad guy, but in the spirit of vigilant and involved management of their own country.

Perfection is a convenient mirage that allows people to shruf off their own role on the stage. The only hope is continuous improvement.

Vidyut

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
You may like to go through the appended write up written by an IAS officer  . Though it is long but worth reading  . 
I have read every word  but found that he has not analyzed  as to who has been responsible for  bringing such a state of affair of our country. 

It is my feeling that the so called Steel Frame of the country, the bureaucratic set up is responsible . This gets confirmed when  we analyze  working of our governing system after independence. It has  been the bureaucrats who kept on grabbing all the powers by be-fooling both the politicians and the public by twisting the rules to meet the requirements of the people whom they wanted to help.

Such a situation would have never creeped in our governing system had  they  been fair to all with  the authority and the powers they were enjoying .All these years the Joint Secretary of a Ministry  is considered as the Government. 


Please advise if I am wrong in my analyses.

Brig J S Ahuja

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
My Dear Gaur,

How are you?

I wonder if this topic is discussed in the NDC!!!!!*:) happy

We require Administrative and political reforms. But dear Gaur all the Governments are being managed by the IAS!!! Does any one think IAS would let any such reforms take place and above all be implemented!! Just look at OROP case!!!

We need a military/Presidential take over for two years in which the agenda should be administrative and political reforms and then hand over the reigns back to the new dispensation. I agree it is an Utopian idea but if we need to achieve some thing such ideas have to come up.

My considered view is that India is going to go down the drain and China-Pak combine will subjugate us in a decade or two may be. Things on the ground for common people including our types are very bad indeed and deteriorating fast.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen


From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

13/7/15

Yes, but will it not be a piece-meal change?
Our whole system of governance is based on the colonial british model.
Our judicial system is based on the same.
Our laws are based on the same. Some laws are as old as 1860 just after it was taken over by the Imperial power.
Our Constitution is primarily drawing upon the British Model. 
Yet the realisation that changes are needed in the institutions of Governance should lead to the desired changes sooner or later.
Hiring of experts/advisors outside the IAS system could be one way to dilute their dominance. Mr. Modi seems to have realised and doing so in some areas.
JKGaur

From: dhiranil@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:15:59 +0530
Subject: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Forwarding as received, for it makes a lot of sense, sharing this article specially with those among us, who love welfare of our Society, our Armed Forces, and above all, our country as a whole.  It is an open fact that they are also the creator of the problem that is existing and around the widely known subject matter as OROP issue !
Anil Dhir


Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:34:09 +0530
Subject: Fwd: It's time to shut the IAS down
From: 
To:


It's time to shut the IAS down

                    ( A forward as received)

 
Last updated on: June 08, 2015 13:17 IST
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern. Mihir S Sharma explains.
If Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will not be entirely his fault.
After all, he has moderated his promises.
The shining vision of India's future he outlined in early 2014 has been replaced by the -- still inspiring -- set of aspirations listed in the 2015 Budget.
A house for everyone by 2022, with 24-hour power, clean drinking water, a road and modern sanitation; one job per family, medical and skilling facilities close by, and much else of that nature.
You cannot fault his targets, and you cannot fault his energy.
If he seems to have little idea of how to get there, well, he was never asked for such details about implementation on the campaign trail, so it's a little late to complain now.
The problem is that he is trying to drive the country to these oh-so-distant targets by 2022, but he still has the same old car with which to do it.
Today, in the middle of 2015, it is doubly, triply, quadruply clear that changing the driver was not enough -- the driver was never the biggest, the realest problem. The real problem is the car.
Modi might have the will, the energy, the sincerity and the ambition. But unless he fundamentally changes the system that implements his will, that realises his ambition, he is doomed to fail.
And that system is the Indian government and its bureaucracy. I want you to pause for a moment to think, as objectively as you can, about how farcical it is.
We, the world's fastest-growing economy and its largest democracy, have a state structure basically unchanged from the extractive system set up to rule a vast, pastoral country on behalf of a distant island nation.
We have a twice-born bureaucracy that holds so much power.
Why? Because they are the happy inheritors of a system in which civil servants would have been loyal to Queen and Whitehall, but ministers may have been dangerously nationalist -- and thus needed to be easily vetoed or blocked.
We still have a tenured, generalist civil service, organised on Victorian public-school principles, even as our economy and governance become fiendishly more complex.
Every single foreign investor, foreign do-gooder, foreign diplomat, is astounded by both the intelligence of their Indian bureaucratic interlocutor and their -- much of the time -- complete and utter ignorance of the issues at hand.
What else can you expect?
The person having to deal with FIIs today may have been dealing with water harvesting yesterday.
No matter how high your rank in a deadly dull competitive examination in the early 1980s, you will not handle that transition seamlessly.
It is natural, therefore, that you take no risks and show no imagination; you are, after all, always a step behind those you are regulating or governing.
It is less natural that you are incredibly arrogant even while being that step behind. (Or to suppose that anyone else in government being paid more than you would be a colossal, extraordinary insult to the Indian Republic, equivalent to Bangladesh annexing most of Eastern India. Imagine if a tax expert or a lawyer was hired from the private sector and paid more than the Cabinet Secretary! The whole edifice of government would collapse! Anarchy would rule! Four southern states would sink into the sea! Etc, etc)
We have an un-fire-able, unaccountable civil service, which can screw up as much as it likes -- consider, for example, the monumental error that was the FII-MAT (minimum alternate tax) imbroglio -- and still will face no consequences.
This is the largest cause of the institutionalised mediocrity that holds this country back. Even promotions are largely dependent on seniority and not record; nobody would run any other organisation thus, but it's OK to run a complicated, under-governed country like this?
Ah, we are told, but insulating administrators is necessary to ensure they are not subject to politicisation -- to ensure they are "independent".
This laughable claim can only be the product of wilfully refusing to actually read even one newspaper headline over the past 20 years.
Who can claim that bureaucrats are not politicised, given contemporary history? How many have simply refused to sign what they are supposed to? There are some such glorious names, but vanishingly few.
Combine these three factors, and you have a government machinery that is unaccountable, under-informed, and all-powerful. It lacks creativity. It automatically stifles innovation (witness the colossal idiocy underlying its shutdown of Uber in the capital).
There is no alternative but to shut these people down. Root-and-branch reform, beginning with an end to the imperial-era privileges of the Indian Administrative Service.
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern.
The prime minister, sadly, agrees with that.
He, too, seems to imagine that his transformative promises can be operationalised and implemented by the same people who have failed us for 70 years.
His first action on entering 7, Race Course Road, was to tell the secretaries to the Union that they could speak to him directly, cutting out their ministers.
Subsequently he took over all appointments. This is in a way natural; when Modi was appointed chief minister of Gujarat, he had no experience of -- or history of interest in -- policy.
Guess who he turned to? Perhaps that's why the bureaucrats other Indians see as obstructive, backward-looking monuments to institutional arrogance are seen by our prime minister as gentle tutors in the art of governance.
This is a pity, since the only way he will actually transform India is by first transforming its hopelessly out-of-date government.
Actually, if Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will be entirely his fault. He should have started by ending the IAS.









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