Saturday, May 31, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Respected Sarbajit Roy Ji,

i tried the other day to get on to registering myself on to indiaresists 
but failed.
i respond not more than 3-4 times in a 12 month period, and am prepared to make my contribution through a Bank transfer of the costs+, involved.
Will that be acceptable?
(i am not a rich man, except for the fact that one tries to practice the values one acquired from the family, & retiring after 14 year's of work through UNICEF and now a UN related pension--which is tax free.)

i deeply respect your view & assertion that says:
" - where were the poor and
dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi
(more on that later) ?
One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.
Ambani's outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned."
Sarbajit

A democracy that creates massive differences in wealth, acquired by ALL means, including an over-kill via skillful legal punditry at the highest Courts of the land, is both insensitive and unfair. 
Are we today in India suffering from that when promoted both by the State & its agencies or by the very, very rich? 
       That Sir, requires an assessment, no?

Written with a sense of purpose, to be of use to society, in all that one has 
said.
Sincerely & Respectfully,
dev chopra in gurgaon
***


On 31 May 2014 15:02, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
tried several times not able to register 
http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
We again request all our members who wish to post to this IAC general
mailing list to register at the WWW.INDIARESISTS.IN forum.

http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register

[Presently, the list moderators have to read over 300 emails which are
forwarded and cc'ed just to select the 5-10 emails which are actually
circulated]

@Sureshan, at some point of time, India is increasingly likely to have
 an armed face-off between extreme Right and the extreme Left.We all
saw Mukesh Ambani and Nita Ambani, Essar Ruias, Gautam Adani, etc as
invitees to Namo's ostentatious coronation - where were the poor and
dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi
(more on that later) ?

One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.
Ambani's outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned.

Sarbajit

On 5/31/14, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is totally
> condemnable if tribals are masscered. Our system is doing unfairness to
> tribals . Instead of the present land laws and land acquisition act new act
> has to be brought for giving  ownership of tribal to tribals collectively or
> individually. For many centuries real land owners are driven out of their
> land. In principal I support the cause of naxal movement but I am against
> their method of armed actions.
>

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Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

There are 4 basic steps.

1) We check if you claim to be 13 years or above in age. So click "BEFORE 2001"

2) Then click "I agree to these terms"

3) Then fill the details - PASSWORD must be between 6 and 20
characters, and must have "mixed" (ie. upper case and lower case)
alphabets as well as numeral(s). There is also a 4 character "captcha"
which has to be entered correctly..

4) After this is successful, you must check your email ID (as well as
spam folder) for a confirmation email with verification link.

Sarbajit

On 5/31/14, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> tried several times not able to register
> http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We again request all our members who wish to post to this IAC general
>> mailing list to register at the WWW.INDIARESISTS.IN forum.
>>
>> http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register

Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

tried several times not able to register 
http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
We again request all our members who wish to post to this IAC general
mailing list to register at the WWW.INDIARESISTS.IN forum.

http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register

[Presently, the list moderators have to read over 300 emails which are
forwarded and cc'ed just to select the 5-10 emails which are actually
circulated]

@Sureshan, at some point of time, India is increasingly likely to have
 an armed face-off between extreme Right and the extreme Left.We all
saw Mukesh Ambani and Nita Ambani, Essar Ruias, Gautam Adani, etc as
invitees to Namo's ostentatious coronation - where were the poor and
dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi
(more on that later) ?

One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.
Ambani's outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned.

Sarbajit

On 5/31/14, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is totally
> condemnable if tribals are masscered. Our system is doing unfairness to
> tribals . Instead of the present land laws and land acquisition act new act
> has to be brought for giving  ownership of tribal to tribals collectively or
> individually. For many centuries real land owners are driven out of their
> land. In principal I support the cause of naxal movement but I am against
> their method of armed actions.
>

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P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India, 
NLC( India ) Law Office
No. 90, Second Floor , Bank Enclave , Laxmi Nagar, Delhi-92..... Ph: 9818083219,8802797432,01132081075 

Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)


 Community sovereignty , sovereignty over its land  and right of passage through it is embedded in the model of self governance of village republics which made the universal  Empire of Ashok ,the origin of our Panchayat system  . This system endured the test of onslaughts of invasions   . Even Moghuls  went by it. Until British found this a major impediment to their Company interests 
of buying and selling this prize booty with revenue this could fetch and at same time make landowners weak and vulnerable . This led to turning land into a marketable commodity for the 
first time in our history. And one cause of 1857 uprising ! Control over his land was virtually taken away from the owner of that land. Post 1947 saw no change and same land laws by which 
The British expanded their Empire  are tools  available also for unscrupulous exploitation of own people under shroud of development . No people who live their lives on shoestring survival  will resort to armed insurrection without being driven to wall or themselves turned into pawns of 
vested interest unless there is total failure of or culpability of governance. Such weak societies that are vulnerable need protection of their rights by suitable strengthening of laws in their 
Favour. That movements should not turn into violent insurrection will  only remain  in a wish list unless Governance can become accountable. Will Mr Modi who is big money bet be able to
Dispense good governance at the  time is to be seen. If not insurgency may only be fuelled .
Chauhan
 
Sent from my iPad

On 30-May-2014, at 11:27 pm, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is totally condemnable if tribals are masscered. Our system is doing unfairness to tribals . Instead of the present land laws and land acquisition act new act has to be brought for giving  ownership of tribal to tribals collectively or individually. For many centuries real land owners are driven out of their land. In principal I support the cause of naxal movement but I am against their method of armed actions.

Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

30/5/14
 
Dear Sir,
 
Yesterday while suggesting closure of AK, discussion, I was wondering what kind of disucssion is going on This forum. As the name suggests,it should be devoted to serious discussion on subjects where we really want to resist any policy initiave/programme of the Govt. affecting welfare of the people. It is good that you have taken the initiave to clean frivolous/unconnected discusions and it is welcome and overdue.
 
Regarding Arundhati Roy,s post it is too early to prejudge what the Govt. under Modi will do regarding forest wealth,the inhabitants and use of other natural resources on indiscriminate or sustainable basis.
Arundhati Roys could also mean to suggest that the Govt. will tackle Naxalite problem harshly and if in the process,there is bloodshed, the Govt. will not back out. In other words indirectly she is  backing the naxals and trying to put the Govt. ob bsck foot. Rights of forest dwellers to land  andlivelihood have got mised up with Armed Rbellion with extra-territoral links which may imperil the national security sooner than later. Ms Roy is not justified to raise this issue at this stage.
He views on J&K and other controversial issues are known- what is not known are her links.
Regds
JKGaur
 

Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 01:49:50 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 4:35 am
'Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance, says Arundhati Roy

"Now, we have a democratically elected totalitarian government. Technically and legally, there is no party with enough seats to constitute an opposition", says Indian-author and activist Arundhati Roy in an interview to Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."
Sarbajit
 
Posts: 3
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Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

We again request all our members who wish to post to this IAC general
mailing list to register at the WWW.INDIARESISTS.IN forum.

http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register

[Presently, the list moderators have to read over 300 emails which are
forwarded and cc'ed just to select the 5-10 emails which are actually
circulated]

@Sureshan, at some point of time, India is increasingly likely to have
an armed face-off between extreme Right and the extreme Left.We all
saw Mukesh Ambani and Nita Ambani, Essar Ruias, Gautam Adani, etc as
invitees to Namo's ostentatious coronation - where were the poor and
dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi
(more on that later) ?

One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.
Ambani's outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned.

Sarbajit

On 5/31/14, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is totally
> condemnable if tribals are masscered. Our system is doing unfairness to
> tribals . Instead of the present land laws and land acquisition act new act
> has to be brought for giving ownership of tribal to tribals collectively or
> individually. For many centuries real land owners are driven out of their
> land. In principal I support the cause of naxal movement but I am against
> their method of armed actions.
>

Friday, May 30, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is totally condemnable if tribals are masscered. Our system is doing unfairness to tribals . Instead of the present land laws and land acquisition act new act has to be brought for giving  ownership of tribal to tribals collectively or individually. For many centuries real land owners are driven out of their land. In principal I support the cause of naxal movement but I am against their method of armed actions.

Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

30/5/14
 
Dear Sir,
 
Yesterday while suggesting closure of AK, discussion, I was wondering what kind of disucssion is going on This forum. As the name suggests,it should be devoted to serious discussion on subjects where we really want to resist any policy initiave/programme of the Govt. affecting welfare of the people. It is good that you have taken the initiave to clean frivolous/unconnected discusions and it is welcome and overdue.
 
Regarding Arundhati Roy,s post it is too early to prejudge what the Govt. under Modi will do regarding forest wealth,the inhabitants and use of other natural resources on indiscriminate or sustainable basis.
Arundhati Roys could also mean to suggest that the Govt. will tackle Naxalite problem harshly and if in the process,there is bloodshed, the Govt. will not back out. In other words indirectly she is  backing the naxals and trying to put the Govt. ob bsck foot. Rights of forest dwellers to land  andlivelihood have got mised up with Armed Rbellion with extra-territoral links which may imperil the national security sooner than later. Ms Roy is not justified to raise this issue at this stage.
He views on J&K and other controversial issues are known- what is not known are her links.
Regds
JKGaur
 

Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 01:49:50 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 4:35 am
'Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance, says Arundhati Roy

"Now, we have a democratically elected totalitarian government. Technically and legally, there is no party with enough seats to constitute an opposition", says Indian-author and activist Arundhati Roy in an interview to Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."
Sarbajit
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 3:22 am

Thursday, May 29, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

30/5/14
 
Dear Sir,
 
Yesterday while suggesting closure of AK, discussion, I was wondering what kind of disucssion is going on This forum. As the name suggests,it should be devoted to serious discussion on subjects where we really want to resist any policy initiave/programme of the Govt. affecting welfare of the people. It is good that you have taken the initiave to clean frivolous/unconnected discusions and it is welcome and overdue.
 
Regarding Arundhati Roy,s post it is too early to prejudge what the Govt. under Modi will do regarding forest wealth,the inhabitants and use of other natural resources on indiscriminate or sustainable basis.
Arundhati Roys could also mean to suggest that the Govt. will tackle Naxalite problem harshly and if in the process,there is bloodshed, the Govt. will not back out. In other words indirectly she is  backing the naxals and trying to put the Govt. ob bsck foot. Rights of forest dwellers to land  andlivelihood have got mised up with Armed Rbellion with extra-territoral links which may imperil the national security sooner than later. Ms Roy is not justified to raise this issue at this stage.
He views on J&K and other controversial issues are known- what is not known are her links.
Regds
JKGaur
 

Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 01:49:50 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 4:35 am
'Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance, says Arundhati Roy

"Now, we have a democratically elected totalitarian government. Technically and legally, there is no party with enough seats to constitute an opposition", says Indian-author and activist Arundhati Roy in an interview to Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."
Sarbajit
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 3:22 am

Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Bharat-Rakshak » Thu May 29, 2014 8:36 am
This loony woman is still hung up on her anti-"Big Dams" and theft of forest lands agenda.
Have BJP CM's like Raman Singh and Chauhan been any less ruthless for big money than NAMO when it comes to displacing tribals, so why are these secularists only targeting Nareendrabhai ?
Bharat-Rakshak
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 8:28 am

Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 5:39 pm
Dear Sant ji

It is indeed ironic that both you and also Ms. Arundhati Roy are speaking the same language when it comes to demanding accountability and evidence from each other.

For instance on 15.May.2014 Ms. Roy demanded that the police show their evidence / proof against one Prof G.Saibaba, alleged LWE, before arresting him.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 127199.cms

Ms. Roy went on to say
Making a case for stronger institutions of democracy and more transparency if activism had to be effective, Roy said corruption was a symptom arising out of power pulls and unethical practices of those in power. "Development needs to be balanced to suit everybody. These elections are about which corporate will come to power. Even the business community is upset with the manner in which only a handful of Indian conglomerates are amassing wealth," she added.

Sarbajit

On 5/29/14, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All comments MUST conform to the litmus test of evidence-based assertions.
> Its the principal requirement of the forum.Of any intelligent discourse.Of
> any purposeful discussion.
>
> Does the originating statement have back-up evidence?
> Why waste time on it then?
>
> Under RTI seek policy framework.Check-up, and critically examine,whether
> its the very best in the public interest,in short/long term.
>
> SWOT analysis is of use.
> PDCA cycle for past performances is of use.
> DATT( Direct Attention Thinking Tools)--Edward de Bono's ten principles for
> creative decision making constitute the best suite for evaluating the
> supremacy of any decision(including policy formulation)making by any
> one,including the Cabinet,the Parliament,any authority.
>
> All the members pl keep this check list in mind before making any
> comment,lest it go astray,or wayward.
>
> We want NOT JUST the control of corruption,but the supremacy of decision
> making in larger public interest.Why settle for passive/mundane neutrality
> of a non-negative platform. Seek from any and every authority the best
> possible deliverable,under the circumstances. Seek the very best globally,
> and better it. Our ingenuity must be in regaining our lost primacy in the
> comity of nations.
>
> Before any wrong step could even be visuialised, take proactive action to
> checkmate it. RTI could help do it. PIL could support sometime. Voicing
> concern through Change.org,or similar fora, could be helpful. For all we
> know the conscience of media may get awakened,even on non-glamorous issues.
>
> Just having an issue circulated within our group may not take us forward
> enough.
>
> s p mathur IPS DGP(retd) BE MBA PhD
Sarbajit
 
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Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Bharat-Rakshak » Thu May 29, 2014 6:18 pm
No further comments on Arundhati Roy
New home in Narela for people with mental illness
Sarbajit wrote:Dear Sant ji

It is indeed ironic that both you and also Ms. Arundhati Roy are speaking the same language when it comes to demanding accountability and evidence from each other.

For instance on 15.May.2014 Ms. Roy demanded that the police show their evidence / proof against one Prof G.Saibaba, alleged LWE, before arresting him.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 127199.cms



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[IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 4:35 am

'Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance, says Arundhati Roy

"Now, we have a democratically elected totalitarian government. Technically and legally, there is no party with enough seats to constitute an opposition", says Indian-author and activist Arundhati Roy in an interview to Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."
Sarbajit
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 3:22 am

Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Bharat-Rakshak » Thu May 29, 2014 8:36 am

This loony woman is still hung up on her anti-"Big Dams" and theft of forest lands agenda.
Have BJP CM's like Raman Singh and Chauhan been any less ruthless for big money than NAMO when it comes to displacing tribals, so why are these secularists only targeting Nareendrabhai ?
Bharat-Rakshak
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 8:28 am

Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Sarbajit » Thu May 29, 2014 5:39 pm

Dear Sant ji

It is indeed ironic that both you and also Ms. Arundhati Roy are speaking the same language when it comes to demanding accountability and evidence from each other.

For instance on 15.May.2014 Ms. Roy demanded that the police show their evidence / proof against one Prof G.Saibaba, alleged LWE, before arresting him.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 127199.cms

Ms. Roy went on to say
Making a case for stronger institutions of democracy and more transparency if activism had to be effective, Roy said corruption was a symptom arising out of power pulls and unethical practices of those in power. "Development needs to be balanced to suit everybody. These elections are about which corporate will come to power. Even the business community is upset with the manner in which only a handful of Indian conglomerates are amassing wealth," she added.

Sarbajit

On 5/29/14, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All comments MUST conform to the litmus test of evidence-based assertions.
> Its the principal requirement of the forum.Of any intelligent discourse.Of
> any purposeful discussion.
>
> Does the originating statement have back-up evidence?
> Why waste time on it then?
>
> Under RTI seek policy framework.Check-up, and critically examine,whether
> its the very best in the public interest,in short/long term.
>
> SWOT analysis is of use.
> PDCA cycle for past performances is of use.
> DATT( Direct Attention Thinking Tools)--Edward de Bono's ten principles for
> creative decision making constitute the best suite for evaluating the
> supremacy of any decision(including policy formulation)making by any
> one,including the Cabinet,the Parliament,any authority.
>
> All the members pl keep this check list in mind before making any
> comment,lest it go astray,or wayward.
>
> We want NOT JUST the control of corruption,but the supremacy of decision
> making in larger public interest.Why settle for passive/mundane neutrality
> of a non-negative platform. Seek from any and every authority the best
> possible deliverable,under the circumstances. Seek the very best globally,
> and better it. Our ingenuity must be in regaining our lost primacy in the
> comity of nations.
>
> Before any wrong step could even be visuialised, take proactive action to
> checkmate it. RTI could help do it. PIL could support sometime. Voicing
> concern through Change.org,or similar fora, could be helpful. For all we
> know the conscience of media may get awakened,even on non-glamorous issues.
>
> Just having an issue circulated within our group may not take us forward
> enough.
>
> s p mathur IPS DGP(retd) BE MBA PhD
Sarbajit
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu May 29, 2014 3:22 am

Re: Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resista

Postby Bharat-Rakshak » Thu May 29, 2014 6:18 pm

No further comments on Arundhati Roy
New home in Narela for people with mental illness
Sarbajit wrote:Dear Sant ji

It is indeed ironic that both you and also Ms. Arundhati Roy are speaking the same language when it comes to demanding accountability and evidence from each other.

For instance on 15.May.2014 Ms. Roy demanded that the police show their evidence / proof against one Prof G.Saibaba, alleged LWE, before arresting him.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 127199.cms


Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

All comments MUST conform to the litmus test of evidence-based assertions.
Its the principal requirement of the forum.Of any intelligent discourse.Of any purposeful discussion.
Does the originating statement have back-up evidence?
Why waste time on it then?
Under RTI seek policy framework.Check-up, and critically examine,whether its the very best in the public interest,in short/long term.
SWOT analysis is of use.
PDCA cycle for past performances is of use.
DATT( Direct Attention Thinking Tools)--Edward de Bono's ten principles for creative decision making constitute the best suite for evaluating the supremacy of any decision(including policy formulation)making by any one,including the Cabinet,the Parliament,any authority.
All the members pl keep this check list in mind before making any comment,lest it go astray,or wayward.
The job of planners,at national level is to attend to,interalia,KNIs(Key National Indicators)--so far not very well defined,but ultra essential to be done.Or else,any decision,using arbitrary criteria,could be justified in public interest. What is imp is to see that "larger public interest" is served. We, the people of deserve it. We also need it to make us the Jagatguru nation. not a laggard of a nation.
We want NOT JUST the control of corruption,but the supremacy of decision making in larger public interest.Why settle for passive/mundane neutrality of a non-negative platform. Seek from any and every authority the best possible deliverable,under the circumstances. Seek the very best globally, and better it. Our ingenuity must be in regaining our lost primacy in the comity of natons.
Before anu wrong step could even be visalised, take proactive action to checkmate it. RTI could help do it. PIL could support sometime. Voicing concern through Change.org,or similar fora, could be helpful. For all we know the conscience of media may get awakened,even on non-glamorous issues.
Just having an issue circulated within our group may not take us forward enough.
s p mathur IPS DGP(retd) BE MBA PhD




On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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[IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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[IAC#RG] IMPORTANT - IAC list message

Dear IAC subscribers

IAC, through its charter and manifesto, has defined itself  to be a progressive, apolitical, secular, Hindutva social movement dedicated to bringing about cleansing change and reform in India.

Now that the various elections are over and the voters of India have spoken, IAC can finally go about doing its job without political or communal motives being attributed to us.

Now is the time for IAC to not only be the "watchdog" of Indian democracy, but also the "bloodhounds" to ferret out corruption.

So far the primary mode of communication for IAC has been via public emails sent to our subscribers. This is a vastly ineffective and expensive way to communicate. and has limited the degree of engagement we could provide.

Accordingly, we are trying out a new mode to encourage greater participation, so that henceforth essentially only emails with substantive content and/or thread starters will be posted to the entire IAC subscriber base.

As a first step, the INDIARESISTS.IN forum has been started for group communication. This is essentially an unmoderated forum, and the important discussions on the forum will be circulated to all subscribers by email in form of a daily IAC "e-newspaper"

The URL link to the forum is http://indiaresists.in

Basic forum rules:
  1. Registration is compulsory,
  2. Password must contain mixed characters and numbers,
  3. The first 3 posts of new members are moderated - after that "enjoy",
  4. Maintain decency and civility, don't spread disinformation.
  5. Misuser accounts will be terminated.
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Wednesday, May 28, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

29/5/14
Dear Sirs, Since enough has been said for and against the personal bond requirement in defamation case and
 
Now that Mr. Kejriwal is out, let us close this discussion irrespective of the merits/demerits of the case. In any case he has also approached the HC and let us wait for the verdict.
Regds
JKGaur
 

Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 07:55:52 +0530
From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Wow, Adv Sureshan, that is a new twist to the tale! Where does contempt of court come from? I do not know if the magistrate has discretion in seeking bond for bail or can waive it, but I believed it was just procedure and the option was with AK to avail bail by providing bond or go to jail. There is no question of personal principles and contempt of court in this case!

regards n bw

ravi


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Many stories appeared in re Arvind incarnation is wrong. He was sent to JC for not submitting surety bond
In fact this action from A K shouldn't make himself liable for JC. what is ignored by experts are the power of the magistrate. This is a case of mere discarding the authority of the court.A K s principle does not allow him to submit bond.he keeps his principles above the authority of the court. SO THIS IS A CLEAR CONTEMPT OF COURT CASE
Magistrate does not have authority to take action as she had to refer the case to HC as per the contempt of court act .hence present JC OF AK IS VOILATIVE of ARTICLE 21 of the constitution.

Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It doesn't even require a defamation case to arrest a citizen and tie him up in court procedures. 
If I have a friend in police I can get even NaMo arrested thus (of course now his SPG would not allow that!) 
or atleast get a summons sent to him by a court! One journalist proved it by having a sting operation in a Gujarat court.
He got non-bailable warrants issued against the then Prez Dr Kalam and the CJI! 
Under those circumstance ordinary citizens can only suffer the atrocious court procedures!

regards  n bw

ravi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

From: vasant sardesai
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:26
Reply To: vasant sardesai
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

From: "Satya D hitaya123@gmail.com [hinducivilization]" <hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com" <stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 23 May 2014 8:34 PM
Subject: [hc] Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

 
I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/



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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Good comments by High court,which felt,Prashant and co should have advised client Kejriwal better of correct step!!!
J.K.Chaudhry

Sent from my iPad

On May 28, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow, Adv Sureshan, that is a new twist to the tale! Where does contempt of court come from? I do not know if the magistrate has discretion in seeking bond for bail or can waive it, but I believed it was just procedure and the option was with AK to avail bail by providing bond or go to jail. There is no question of personal principles and contempt of court in this case!

regards n bw

ravi


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Many stories appeared in re Arvind incarnation is wrong. He was sent to JC for not submitting surety bond
In fact this action from A K shouldn't make himself liable for JC. what is ignored by experts are the power of the magistrate. This is a case of mere discarding the authority of the court.A K s principle does not allow him to submit bond.he keeps his principles above the authority of the court. SO THIS IS A CLEAR CONTEMPT OF COURT CASE
Magistrate does not have authority to take action as she had to refer the case to HC as per the contempt of court act .hence present JC OF AK IS VOILATIVE of ARTICLE 21 of the constitution.

Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It doesn't even require a defamation case to arrest a citizen and tie him up in court procedures. 
If I have a friend in police I can get even NaMo arrested thus (of course now his SPG would not allow that!) 
or atleast get a summons sent to him by a court! One journalist proved it by having a sting operation in a Gujarat court.
He got non-bailable warrants issued against the then Prez Dr Kalam and the CJI! 
Under those circumstance ordinary citizens can only suffer the atrocious court procedures!

regards  n bw

ravi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

From: vasant sardesai
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:26
Reply To: vasant sardesai
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

From: "Satya D hitaya123@gmail.com [hinducivilization]" <hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com" <stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 23 May 2014 8:34 PM
Subject: [hc] Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

 
I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/



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Tuesday, May 27, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Wow, Adv Sureshan, that is a new twist to the tale! Where does contempt of court come from? I do not know if the magistrate has discretion in seeking bond for bail or can waive it, but I believed it was just procedure and the option was with AK to avail bail by providing bond or go to jail. There is no question of personal principles and contempt of court in this case!

regards n bw

ravi


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Many stories appeared in re Arvind incarnation is wrong. He was sent to JC for not submitting surety bond
In fact this action from A K shouldn't make himself liable for JC. what is ignored by experts are the power of the magistrate. This is a case of mere discarding the authority of the court.A K s principle does not allow him to submit bond.he keeps his principles above the authority of the court. SO THIS IS A CLEAR CONTEMPT OF COURT CASE
Magistrate does not have authority to take action as she had to refer the case to HC as per the contempt of court act .hence present JC OF AK IS VOILATIVE of ARTICLE 21 of the constitution.

Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It doesn't even require a defamation case to arrest a citizen and tie him up in court procedures. 
If I have a friend in police I can get even NaMo arrested thus (of course now his SPG would not allow that!) 
or atleast get a summons sent to him by a court! One journalist proved it by having a sting operation in a Gujarat court.
He got non-bailable warrants issued against the then Prez Dr Kalam and the CJI! 
Under those circumstance ordinary citizens can only suffer the atrocious court procedures!

regards  n bw

ravi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

From: vasant sardesai
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:26
Reply To: vasant sardesai
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

From: "Satya D hitaya123@gmail.com [hinducivilization]" <hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com" <stop-corruption-worldwide@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 23 May 2014 8:34 PM
Subject: [hc] Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

 
I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/



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