Saturday, June 7, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance


 

Dear Sarbjit,

Your contention that Arundhati's mother has contributed a lot to women's upliftment in the south is not correct..


Traditionally Christian families especially Syrian Catholics in Kerala,, when their daughters get married, used to give their portion of the family property to THEM at the time of marriage.(Some husbands used to insist upon this).Arundhati's mother Mary Roy married a Bengali Hindu(she is divorced now).She went upto SC pointing out that even if the girls got their property share at the time of marriage,they atill have a right to what is left of the property.SC in its wisdom decreed in her favour..All daughters who have got their share of property at the time of marriage started sueing the family for their rights.This opened a pandora's box.Rifts started between brothers and sisters in an otherwise closely knit families.This was the ultimate result of her action.Many Christians regret it.


Now Arundhati and her mother are not on talking terms even.
.





navnith
 

Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 10:50:30 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Rina

Thanks for your email, plus its good you have you back as a contributor.

Let me clarify right away that I dont have any "grudge" against Arvind Kejriwal as an individual. He is in the public eye by his own choice, and I or you, as private persons, are free to comment on his antics, affiliations and motivations - and especially his anti-national sponsors and mentors, to the extent his actions impinge on us. Our duty is to caution others with facts and evidences, we can lead the horses to water but can't make them drink it.

Neither do I hold any brief for Ms. Arundhati Roy, whom I have never met or ever had any communication(s) with.

Now to the meat of your email:

1) IAC is unabashedly a "Hindutva" organisation with a lineage derive from secular Hindutva movements and with a Swadeshi philosophy. Let us recall clauses 3.005, 4.002 and 4.003 of the IAC Charter we drafted together which are specifically relevant

"3.005: A Patriotic Movement of Ancient Lineage and Revolutionary Spirit Members will independently familiarise themselves with the morals, history and ideology of the parent 'Hindustan Republican Association' which secured independence for India from foreign rule in a non-sectarian and non-communal revolutionary manner. "
..
4.002: Secularism
The IAC movement supports whatever rights and laws different communities may demand for themselves, provided they do not clash with the interests of other communities or the national interest and are extended to all citizens. Hearty and organic union in different communities must be conducted under a Common Civil Code.
..
4.003: God
In the spiritual domain, the IAC movement aims at establishing that this world is real and the manifestation of the one individual soul, the supreme source of all power, all knowledge and all beauty. IAC maintains that every living being possesses the inherent power to communicate directly without the need for intermediaries and at any time or in any place or manner.

Its well known that Arundhati's Roy's father was a "Hindu" (more on that in some other post) and her mother was a "Syrian Christian". They were lawfully married ("organic union in different communities") and there was no question of Roy's father taking or demanding any "DOWRY" as it is prohibited in the pure Hinduism he followed.

Not having received dowry, Mary Roy demanded her equal rights in the family property under the secular India Succession Act 1925. And apparently she finally received justice only in 2011.

So as its not clear to me why you are upset with by Mary Roy's legal actions if we all seem to want a Uniform Civil Code to secure a secular Hindustan, here follow
a few queries to you :

1) Should women not have equal rights with men ?

2) If not, should women get special treatment over men, or vice-versa ?

3) Are UCC laws like the Indian Succession Act or Special Marriages Act 1954 not far better than Nehruvian hodge-podges like "Hindu Succession Act" or "Hindu Marriage Act 1955".
(Please do a comparative clause wise comparison between the "Special Marriages Act 1872" and the present "Hindu Marriage Act 1955" - they are strikingly similar), and then do the same for the Hindu Marriages Act 1955 versus the Special Marriages Act 1954 (which is a highly advanced, progressive and SECULAR law).

(a) Should IAC say that Hindu women should be effectively married under a 150 year old British law which was drafted exclusively for non-Hindus (ie. Keshub Chandra Sen's so-called "Brahmo Samaj of India") ?

(b) Should women be compelled to marry within their own community and be automatically disinherited if they marry outside it ?

4) Should there still be some antiquated concepts in law like
"stridhan" and "maintenance under CrPC" to "safeguard" (??)  Hindu women or Shah Bano ? Should we still perpetuate "Dowry" in society ?

5) Are you in favour of the present Indian legal system and its
judges, advocate mafias AND "TAARIKH PE TAARIKH PE TAARIKH".

6) Should we tell those Muslims who are Indian (or Indians who practice Islam as the religion of their choice) that they (to quote Shyama Prasa Mukherjee) " .. can pack their bags and go to any country they want .."

Actually, this has nothing to do with whether Arundhati Roy or Mary Roy were Christians (is Arundhati Roy a Christian ??) and should be made to emigrate to an Islamic country. The replies received on this thread clearly show that beyond making irrelevant personal attacks with bizarre logic, our desi Col. Blimp keyboard warriors, are incapable of stringing together any coherent argument against  Ms. Arundhati Roy's (deliberately provocative) logic/statements/facts or taking up my suggestion to hoist Ms. Roy on her own petard in some public forum.

Since you seem to think I am pro-Christian, let me tell you, that as an Upacharya of the religion whose founder in 1857 publicly told visiting proselytiseing Christian Missionaries (the Rev. Charles Dall from Harvard) to get the f*** out of his house and not speak the name of Jesus Christ within its walls
http://uudb.org/articles/charlesdall.html 
(please read this article carefully, as a Kolkattan you will appreciate its subtleties
better than most), that I can equally openly say that Kejriwal and Namo are masquerading as "nationalists" while functioning as tools of an ancient Judeo-Christian capitalist cabal which for long controls India's (ie. Bharat's) economy indirectly whenever they cannot do so directly.

If you know history, you will know that this gentleman (Rev. Charles Dall) is the 'harami' who thereupon set in place a chain of events which have eventually resulted in the "Boston Brahmins", many of whom are actually secretly Jewish, controlling India today through their puppet organisations, like the RSS (who, like Gandhi, were nothing but British quislings during the Indian Independence movement), whose members include Namo and Kejriwal - who have both completed their so-called "officer training courses" which includes familiarisation trips to the USA and other Western countries for the star performers, and with stints at cabal front organisations like Mother Teresa or Ramakrishna Mission (in Kejriwal's case both) as part of their "officer" training.

In any case, neither Namo or Kejriwal were the first to benefit from these US religious proselytiseing groups (who are passing off some fake version of Hinduism, designed in USA, which is Christianity and nothing but Christianity). 120 years ago "Swami" Vivekananda was extensively trained as a Christian imperialist operative in USA for 3 years and, in the RK Mission's own affidavit in the SC, had abandoned his Hinduism and returned as a non-Hindu --> to propagate a manufactured persistent myth that "Christ=Krishna" (Herod=Kansa) and vice-versa and how Hindu India and Christian USA must stand together as one nation under God against the Muslim hordes and palm it off as "Ramakrishna-ism". In fact Vivekananda was a Rev. Charles Dall protege from start to finish, and this entire fake "Vivekananda nationalism" is scripted to break India into little Christian enclaves which can hold out against Muslims and the "Godless".

On Kejriwal:
Was Kejriwal not trained and groomed for many years by a top CIA operative and former NAC member, whose "husband" openly receives tens of crore rupees each year from foreign sources through a US registered NGO. Is this foreign money not used to "educate" tribals / Dalits and convert them to neo-Christians who are sent abroad to even worse off countries in Africa as evangelists ?

Does anybody, especially Arvind Kejriwal, deny that he has received huge amounts of money from foreign sources ?

Actually, AAP/Arvind Kejriwal is very much a vital cog of the long-term US strategy to get their man NaMo (and their backup party - the BJP) elected as India's PM /Govt. with a massive mandate to buy US jet fighters and other expensive toys.

Please remember, the last time the USA did so it was to get India to detonate a US gifted fusion device (supposedly to get India into the P-5 as a nuclear power), which China promptly check-mated by elevating Pakistan to the same club, then they made us fight a "war" with Pakistan and ensured that their Congress returned to power.

Sarbajit

On 6/6/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> Arundhati Roy's mother did fight and win a case for being allowed a share
> of the family property. But there is a lot of controversy regarding what
> Maria Roy did. We  better not dwell on that. Her family was in no way
> trying to uplift women or do any social work. Where taking a stand against
> Christians is concerned, I feel you should actually go and survey the
> situation in Orissa first-hand. The new  Christian denominations are
> playing a dirty game in Orissa, Jharkhand, and Punjab, as also many parts
> of South India, using our caste-structure to create divisions and convert
> people.
>
> I may not condone the Staines' murder, but you must understand the
> sentiments behind the Kandhamal riots.
>
> BTW, when Ms Roy talks of big money backing Modi, let her be forthright
> about her ilk, who keep talking of India abandoning Kashmir. Why does she
> not talk of the pandits and the fact that they have become refugees in
> their own land.
>
> There is a lot said about Modi's hand in the Gujarat riots. What about the
> Congress and their hand in the Anti-Sikh riots. People like HKL Bhagat were
> openly directing the rioters; at least Modi was not doing that.
>
> We have so many others-alike Modi- who have let rioters have their way.
> Akhilesh Yadav is a case in point-and Muzaffarnagar is a stark example of
> what they are capable of.
>
> Don't forget, there have been many more riots under the Congress....who is
> responsible for them?
>
>
> Pls do not jump to conclusions without adequate evidence.
>
> ( You have been alleging a lot of things about Arvind Kejriwal and his
> background....a lot of which is so far-fetched that it is not even worth
> commenting upon. Please do not indulge in such falsehoods, mainly because
> you have a personal grudge against a particular individual)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dr  Rina Mukherji
>
> Kolkata



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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Rina

Thanks for your email, plus its good you have you back as a contributor.

Let me clarify right away that I dont have any "grudge" against Arvind Kejriwal as an individual. He is in the public eye by his own choice, and I or you, as private persons, are free to comment on his antics, affiliations and motivations - and especially his anti-national sponsors and mentors, to the extent his actions impinge on us. Our duty is to caution others with facts and evidences, we can lead the horses to water but can't make them drink it.

Neither do I hold any brief for Ms. Arundhati Roy, whom I have never met or ever had any communication(s) with.

Now to the meat of your email:

1) IAC is unabashedly a "Hindutva" organisation with a lineage derive from secular Hindutva movements and with a Swadeshi philosophy. Let us recall clauses 3.005, 4.002 and 4.003 of the IAC Charter we drafted together which are specifically relevant

"3.005: A Patriotic Movement of Ancient Lineage and Revolutionary Spirit Members will independently familiarise themselves with the morals, history and ideology of the parent 'Hindustan Republican Association' which secured independence for India from foreign rule in a non-sectarian and non-communal revolutionary manner. "
..
4.002: Secularism
The IAC movement supports whatever rights and laws different communities may demand for themselves, provided they do not clash with the interests of other communities or the national interest and are extended to all citizens. Hearty and organic union in different communities must be conducted under a Common Civil Code.
..
4.003: God
In the spiritual domain, the IAC movement aims at establishing that this world is real and the manifestation of the one individual soul, the supreme source of all power, all knowledge and all beauty. IAC maintains that every living being possesses the inherent power to communicate directly without the need for intermediaries and at any time or in any place or manner.

Its well known that Arundhati's Roy's father was a "Hindu" (more on that in some other post) and her mother was a "Syrian Christian". They were lawfully married ("organic union in different communities") and there was no question of Roy's father taking or demanding any "DOWRY" as it is prohibited in the pure Hinduism he followed.

Not having received dowry, Mary Roy demanded her equal rights in the family property under the secular India Succession Act 1925. And apparently she finally received justice only in 2011.

So as its not clear to me why you are upset with by Mary Roy's legal actions if we all seem to want a Uniform Civil Code to secure a secular Hindustan, here follow
a few queries to you :

1) Should women not have equal rights with men ?

2) If not, should women get special treatment over men, or vice-versa ?

3) Are UCC laws like the Indian Succession Act or Special Marriages Act 1954 not far better than Nehruvian hodge-podges like "Hindu Succession Act" or "Hindu Marriage Act 1955".
(Please do a comparative clause wise comparison between the "Special Marriages Act 1872" and the present "Hindu Marriage Act 1955" - they are strikingly similar), and then do the same for the Hindu Marriages Act 1955 versus the Special Marriages Act 1954 (which is a highly advanced, progressive and SECULAR law).

(a) Should IAC say that Hindu women should be effectively married under a 150 year old British law which was drafted exclusively for non-Hindus (ie. Keshub Chandra Sen's so-called "Brahmo Samaj of India") ?

(b) Should women be compelled to marry within their own community and be automatically disinherited if they marry outside it ?

4) Should there still be some antiquated concepts in law like
"stridhan" and "maintenance under CrPC" to "safeguard" (??)  Hindu women or Shah Bano ? Should we still perpetuate "Dowry" in society ?

5) Are you in favour of the present Indian legal system and its
judges, advocate mafias AND "TAARIKH PE TAARIKH PE TAARIKH".

6) Should we tell those Muslims who are Indian (or Indians who practice Islam as the religion of their choice) that they (to quote Shyama Prasa Mukherjee) " .. can pack their bags and go to any country they want .."

Actually, this has nothing to do with whether Arundhati Roy or Mary Roy were Christians (is Arundhati Roy a Christian ??) and should be made to emigrate to an Islamic country. The replies received on this thread clearly show that beyond making irrelevant personal attacks with bizarre logic, our desi Col. Blimp keyboard warriors, are incapable of stringing together any coherent argument against  Ms. Arundhati Roy's (deliberately provocative) logic/statements/facts or taking up my suggestion to hoist Ms. Roy on her own petard in some public forum.

Since you seem to think I am pro-Christian, let me tell you, that as an Upacharya of the religion whose founder in 1857 publicly told visiting proselytiseing Christian Missionaries (the Rev. Charles Dall from Harvard) to get the f*** out of his house and not speak the name of Jesus Christ within its walls
http://uudb.org/articles/charlesdall.html 
(please read this article carefully, as a Kolkattan you will appreciate its subtleties
better than most), that I can equally openly say that Kejriwal and Namo are masquerading as "nationalists" while functioning as tools of an ancient Judeo-Christian capitalist cabal which for long controls India's (ie. Bharat's) economy indirectly whenever they cannot do so directly.

If you know history, you will know that this gentleman (Rev. Charles Dall) is the 'harami' who thereupon set in place a chain of events which have eventually resulted in the "Boston Brahmins", many of whom are actually secretly Jewish, controlling India today through their puppet organisations, like the RSS (who, like Gandhi, were nothing but British quislings during the Indian Independence movement), whose members include Namo and Kejriwal - who have both completed their so-called "officer training courses" which includes familiarisation trips to the USA and other Western countries for the star performers, and with stints at cabal front organisations like Mother Teresa or Ramakrishna Mission (in Kejriwal's case both) as part of their "officer" training.

In any case, neither Namo or Kejriwal were the first to benefit from these US religious proselytiseing groups (who are passing off some fake version of Hinduism, designed in USA, which is Christianity and nothing but Christianity). 120 years ago "Swami" Vivekananda was extensively trained as a Christian imperialist operative in USA for 3 years and, in the RK Mission's own affidavit in the SC, had abandoned his Hinduism and returned as a non-Hindu --> to propagate a manufactured persistent myth that "Christ=Krishna" (Herod=Kansa) and vice-versa and how Hindu India and Christian USA must stand together as one nation under God against the Muslim hordes and palm it off as "Ramakrishna-ism". In fact Vivekananda was a Rev. Charles Dall protege from start to finish, and this entire fake "Vivekananda nationalism" is scripted to break India into little Christian enclaves which can hold out against Muslims and the "Godless".

On Kejriwal:
Was Kejriwal not trained and groomed for many years by a top CIA operative and former NAC member, whose "husband" openly receives tens of crore rupees each year from foreign sources through a US registered NGO. Is this foreign money not used to "educate" tribals / Dalits and convert them to neo-Christians who are sent abroad to even worse off countries in Africa as evangelists ?

Does anybody, especially Arvind Kejriwal, deny that he has received huge amounts of money from foreign sources ?

Actually, AAP/Arvind Kejriwal is very much a vital cog of the long-term US strategy to get their man NaMo (and their backup party - the BJP) elected as India's PM /Govt. with a massive mandate to buy US jet fighters and other expensive toys.

Please remember, the last time the USA did so it was to get India to detonate a US gifted fusion device (supposedly to get India into the P-5 as a nuclear power), which China promptly check-mated by elevating Pakistan to the same club, then they made us fight a "war" with Pakistan and ensured that their Congress returned to power.

Sarbajit

On 6/6/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> Arundhati Roy's mother did fight and win a case for being allowed a share
> of the family property. But there is a lot of controversy regarding what
> Maria Roy did. We  better not dwell on that. Her family was in no way
> trying to uplift women or do any social work. Where taking a stand against
> Christians is concerned, I feel you should actually go and survey the
> situation in Orissa first-hand. The new  Christian denominations are
> playing a dirty game in Orissa, Jharkhand, and Punjab, as also many parts
> of South India, using our caste-structure to create divisions and convert
> people.
>
> I may not condone the Staines' murder, but you must understand the
> sentiments behind the Kandhamal riots.
>
> BTW, when Ms Roy talks of big money backing Modi, let her be forthright
> about her ilk, who keep talking of India abandoning Kashmir. Why does she
> not talk of the pandits and the fact that they have become refugees in
> their own land.
>
> There is a lot said about Modi's hand in the Gujarat riots. What about the
> Congress and their hand in the Anti-Sikh riots. People like HKL Bhagat were
> openly directing the rioters; at least Modi was not doing that.
>
> We have so many others-alike Modi- who have let rioters have their way.
> Akhilesh Yadav is a case in point-and Muzaffarnagar is a stark example of
> what they are capable of.
>
> Don't forget, there have been many more riots under the Congress....who is
> responsible for them?
>
>
> Pls do not jump to conclusions without adequate evidence.
>
> ( You have been alleging a lot of things about Arvind Kejriwal and his
> background....a lot of which is so far-fetched that it is not even worth
> commenting upon. Please do not indulge in such falsehoods, mainly because
> you have a personal grudge against a particular individual)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dr  Rina Mukherji
>
> Kolkata


Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

We need to have a uniform Civil Code as this is what our constitution  propagates.We also need 
to rethink now on the reservation policy as it violates the constitutional provision of Right 
to Equality.But,will our lawmakers listen ?

Manas R Mahapatra


On Sunday, 8 June 2014 9:07 AM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:


I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want !!!
I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!   Seshadri
 
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Pl spare me blowing my trumpet. For any one'sake. Yes, in any case, mail giving profile,and citation of Distinguished Alumni Award(given by Alma Mater NIT, Jaipur)was shared sometime back. Citations for President's Police Medals etc(authentic docs),incidentally can't be shared.Doubting Thomases can enjoy their apprehensions(their isn't any visible remedy for it) and air the same in vain. Regarding Police Reforms,let me hasten to add that unlike the run-of-the-mill cops(aplenty doing real good work)I've consistently raised the bar to make working of every unit served as "excellent". As Lead Auditor of ISO Certification,serious and sincere efforts have been made to get the best out of the organisations(in institutionalised manner,and not as one-off jobs)-and successfully too. You wouldn't want reams of paper wasted on cataloguing all that(done for four decades). I can only agree to the extent that the problem of "police reforms",as an integral component of "administrative/governance/societal/civilisational reforms"is an extremly challenging task,and you will discern it in well acclaimed research paper(police vision 2020 presented in Police Science Congress,2008) published in our most presigious journal(Indian Police Journal Sept;2009 issue). It could be accessed on website of Bureau of Police Research and Development. Would not like to bore every one with plenty of research work,based on real life hard work. Not even you with all the nagging displayed. Only let me share one(just one) more secret that on Indiatopcop(an extremly professional blog for internal purposes of just IPS officers-1800 odd currently) lot of us(including me)are striving to debate/discuss complex professional issuesand come uo with acceptable solutions,to help policy makers/administrators/field operators,in discharge of their duties better. We don't claim instant success,but our efforts(of the serving and retired executives) have been lauded by different stakeholders. If in Kerala,or elsewhere,demonstrable impact hasn't come about, it is a matter of serious concern for us too. The politicos,of all hues,refuse to obey even SC directives,which a decade long struggle was happy to get in 2006,and we're hammering our views in all fora,in democratic manner.to ensure that police reforms,in letter and spirit, are brought into reality,for public good. Are u able to digest this long response? Probably not. Why ask often again for even bulkier clarification? I'll excuse myself from any more response,continued mudslinging notwithstanding. Best wishes to all,and a repeat sincere hope/prayer that efforts of all enlightened citizens/grps succeed in making ours a truly great nation. SPM
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I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want !!!

I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!   Seshadri

 

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Hatred for parties, or individuals, expressed in an ugly manner should be disallowed.
Better this forum pack up if such conversations are held.
Jaya Jaitly
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Ramachandran K.G <rkg.ambadi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Roy ,
Your statement about Ms.Roys family contributing for the upliftment of women in south India is wrong.
Her mother fought a partition suit against her family and won in supreme court.Pure family matter.
Lt.Col(Retd) K.G.RAMACHANDRAN

On 6 Jun 2014 01:06, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Sheshadri

I don't think we are in a position to advise Ms. Arundhati Roy about which country she should live in or write about. She is an Indian and writes about India - if you don't like it, you are free to emigrate to some Gulf country and enjoy upto 4 wives (whom you can purchase online from either Hyderabad Deccan or Hyderabad Sind) while penning your magnum opus.

BTW, Ms Roy's family had greatly contributed to upliftment of women in Southern India [http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1143189/]  by ensuring for them succession under Indian Succession Act 1925 and for which the entire patriarchal Christian orthodox community assailed them.

So it is no wonder that under this new Hindu Taliban regime (with a track record of massacring Christians), people like Ms. Roy (with proven track record for ensuring a Uniform Civil Code) would be very inconvenient for those who pay lip service for UCC in manifestos but have no intention of legislating it now that they can - and seek to send her packing like Taslima Begum.

Brgds.
Sarbajit



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

Arundathi   Roy should stay in Pakistan for a year, Saudi Arabia for 18 months and Kuwait for another 24 months  and then another book. She will be rewarded  Seshadri

 

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Dear Col P M Das

 

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

 

regards n bw

 

ravi

 

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Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,

It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.

Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.

Col P M Das, Veteran.


Mohan

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

 

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Friday, June 6, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance


Your contention that Arundhati's mother has contributed a lot to women's upliftment in the south is not correct.


Traditionally Christian families, when their daughters get married, used to give their portion of the family property to THEM at the time of marriage.Arundhati's mother Mary Roy went upto SC calling it dowry and demanding a right for the family's property. She won the case. All daughters who have got their share of property at the time of marriage started suing the family for their rights.This created rifts in the otherwise closely knit families.


Now Arundhati and her mother are not on talking terms even.
.


 
 


navnith
 

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:32:04 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Mr. Sheshadri

I don't think we are in a position to advise Ms. Arundhati Roy about which country she should live in or write about. She is an Indian and writes about India - if you don't like it, you are free to emigrate to some Gulf country and enjoy upto 4 wives (whom you can purchase online from either Hyderabad Deccan or Hyderabad Sind) while penning your magnum opus.

BTW, Ms Roy's family had greatly contributed to upliftment of women in Southern India [http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1143189/]  by ensuring for them succession under Indian Succession Act 1925 and for which the entire patriarchal Christian orthodox community assailed them.

So it is no wonder that under this new Hindu Taliban regime (with a track record of massacring Christians), people like Ms. Roy (with proven track record for ensuring a Uniform Civil Code) would be very inconvenient for those who pay lip service for UCC in manifestos but have no intention of legislating it now that they can - and seek to send her packing like Taslima Begum.

Brgds.
Sarbajit



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

Arundathi   Roy should stay in Pakistan for a year, Saudi Arabia for 18 months and Kuwait for another 24 months  and then another book. She will be rewarded  Seshadri

 

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Dear Col P M Das

 

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

 

regards n bw

 

ravi

 

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:

Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,

It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.

Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.

Col P M Das, Veteran.


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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Santji

Yes, you would be surprised! The plane of thinking is quite high, beyond the grasp of file pushers and those who have wielded the danda on behalf of criminals, of course! You are yet to post details of your contributions to police reforms. In Kerala atleast I can vouch for the fact that the police are amoung the biggest criminals in the state, doing nothing that they should be doing and doing everything that should not be doing!

ravi


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Major P M Ravindranji,
A soldier advocating aimlessness/irrelevance?
Sure?
Logic?
Do you have in today's world the luxury for it when even the most pressing/relevant issues get scant attention?
As a System's engineer,as a serious research scholar,as a promoter of fast-paced"Transform India Campaign", I find your advocacy, through self-defeating bizarre logic,of irrelevant issues as quite amusing. Have you now too much time and too little to add to the nation's progress?
Humbly request you to kindly review your position. Or like Sh Mulayam Singh wouldn't buzz an inch from his"boys will be boys" shameless comment,you ,too, would love to stick to  your views as an iron -clad position?
Please,dear,Sh Raviji,
 lets concentrate on the most crucial issues with ABC priority system.
spm



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col P M Das

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

regards n bw

ravi


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:
Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,
It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.
Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.
Col P M Das, Veteran.

Mohan


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
 
Arundhati Roy's mother did fight and win a case for being allowed a share of the family property. But there is a lot of controversy regarding what Maria Roy did. We  better not dwell on that. Her family was in no way trying to uplift women or do any social work. Where taking a stand against Christians is concerned, I feel you should actually go and survey the situation in Orissa first-hand. The new  Christian denominations are playing a dirty game in Orissa, Jharkhand, and Punjab, as also many parts of South India, using our caste-structure to create divisions and convert people.
 
I may not condone the Staines' murder, but you must understand the sentiments behind the Kandhamal riots.
 
BTW, when Ms Roy talks of big money backing Modi, let her be forthright about her ilk, who keep talking of India abandoning Kashmir. Why does she not talk of the pandits and the fact that they have become refugees in their own land.
 
There is a lot said about Modi's hand in the Gujarat riots. What about the Congress and their hand in the Anti-Sikh riots. People like HKL Bhagat were openly directing the rioters; at least Modi was not doing that.
 
We have so many others-alike Modi- who have let rioters have their way. Akhilesh Yadav is a case in point-and Muzaffarnagar is a stark example of what they are capable of.
 
Don't forget, there have been many more riots under the Congress....who is responsible for them?
 
 
Pls do not jump to conclusions without adequate evidence.
 
( You have been alleging a lot of things about Arvind Kejriwal and his background....a lot of which is so far-fetched that it is not even worth commenting upon. Please do not indulge in such falsehoods, mainly because you have a personal grudge against a particular individual)
 
Regards,
 
Dr  Rina Mukherji
 
Kolkata
 
 


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Ramachandran K.G <rkg.ambadi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Roy ,
Your statement about Ms.Roys family contributing for the upliftment of women in south India is wrong.
Her mother fought a partition suit against her family and won in supreme court.Pure family matter.
Lt.Col(Retd) K.G.RAMACHANDRAN

On 6 Jun 2014 01:06, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Sheshadri

I don't think we are in a position to advise Ms. Arundhati Roy about which country she should live in or write about. She is an Indian and writes about India - if you don't like it, you are free to emigrate to some Gulf country and enjoy upto 4 wives (whom you can purchase online from either Hyderabad Deccan or Hyderabad Sind) while penning your magnum opus.

BTW, Ms Roy's family had greatly contributed to upliftment of women in Southern India [http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1143189/]  by ensuring for them succession under Indian Succession Act 1925 and for which the entire patriarchal Christian orthodox community assailed them.

So it is no wonder that under this new Hindu Taliban regime (with a track record of massacring Christians), people like Ms. Roy (with proven track record for ensuring a Uniform Civil Code) would be very inconvenient for those who pay lip service for UCC in manifestos but have no intention of legislating it now that they can - and seek to send her packing like Taslima Begum.

Brgds.
Sarbajit



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

Arundathi   Roy should stay in Pakistan for a year, Saudi Arabia for 18 months and Kuwait for another 24 months  and then another book. She will be rewarded  Seshadri

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

 

Dear Col P M Das

 

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

 

regards n bw

 

ravi

 

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:

Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,

It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.

Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.

Col P M Das, Veteran.


Mohan

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: A POLICY TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

I FULLY AGREE WITH MR. BASU.
WHAT IS THE POINT OF SPENDING PEOPLES HARD EARN MONEY ON GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MANAGE IT. PRIVATIZE AND SEE HOW THINGS WILL WORK.SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING WILL HAVE TO PERFORM AND WILL KNOW HOW WORK IS DONE. FOR OTHER GOVERNMENT DUTIES MORE PEOPLE CAN BE EMPLOYED THIS WILL HELP REDUCING THE UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE COUNTRY.



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim

1) Please don't assume and anticipate how socialists would respond :-)

2) While on the subject of privatising all education, should we not also
consider instead privatising our Army and Defence to save costs which can be ploughed back into a quality State education and health system where all private schools / colleges / hospitals are abolished.

3) BTW, there are "n" number of people who have come from exclusively State run schools / colleges and done rather well for themselves.So see the trees and not the woods ;-)

Sarbajit
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
I have really never understood this whole point of appealing to the government?

Popular quote attributed to Einstein "Continuing to do the same thing, while expecting different results, is the definition of insanity"

I would like to make two broad points here:

First, the government is NEVER going to solve the problem of the poor education imparted in govt or public schools - they (the bureaucrats, the politicians, the administrators and the teachers) have no incentive to deliver a better product. The whole system of rewards vs punishment does not work in public schools, partially due to incompetence, partially due to apathy and callousness of the administrators and partially due to the vested interests represented by the unions.

If you are going to pay a teacher Rs3,000 - 5,000 per month in rural and semi-rural ares, where is his incentive to actually do a passable job, leave alone a great job. You are entrusting the future of your child with this person, and you would pay him less than what a government sweeper earns? Where is his/her incentive? Further, he probably had to pay a bribe to secure the post in the first place - obviously, he will look to secure his return first, probably by working somewhere else part time/contract basis while he collects his govt pittance.

So, what is the solution - the solution is fairly simple to execute, run, and ensure that education quality improves by leaps and bounds, across the country. BUT, the solution is anathema to all the socialists and collectivists. I can already imagine the howls of anguish and protest that are going to erupt.

The biggest cost in education is infrastructure - and, that is the biggest entry barrier for competent educators to look at providing quality education in rural and semi-rural areas - on the other hand, the govt has previously built a chain of schools across the country - this is a sunk cost for the govt, which is yielding a poor RoI, if not a negative RoI to the citizens of this country, who actually paid for this infrastructure through their taxes.

So, why not monetise this infrastructure? Return the capital/investment spent on the schools back to the taxpayers while the central budget, and at the same time make the infrastructure more productive.

That's right: PRIVATISE all government schools - either sell or lease out the schools to private educators, district wise or conglomeration of district wise. Transfer all the teachers and the administrators to the private educators' pay roll. Syllabi for each grade could be set at a state level, since these students will all appear for the board exam - but that is the sole role that the education regulator should play - if you want to be more daring, then do away with set syllabi too - just set three board level exams at 4th grade, 8th grade and 12th grade. Give the private educators' freedom to decide syllabi, methodology and processes to prepare their students for these exams - but, this might be a bridge too far for most learned-by-rote Indians to swallow.

And, payments - the govt currently spends a certain amount per school each year. Divide this number by the families with school going children in this area, and provide the money DIRECTLY to the parents as a fungible education voucher, payable for fees at any school within the state.

Thus there will be an incentive for the private educators to ensure that they keep attracting students by the quality of their school and education.

And, the govt can set up a bonus pool derived from the interest income from either the sale amount or lease amount it received from the privatisation of the schools - which can be used to reward those educators with strong performances at the board exam levels.

So, what do we have here? The right incentives for everyone in the system, accountability and a clear reward system for success. What's not to like???

BTW, for those who are going to stand up in opposition to this proposal, pls consider this fact: parents in rural areas are already sending their children to private, local "english medium" schools and paying cold cash for it, while spurning the govt schools, which are free.

=========================================================
Second point:

Why are we appealing to the govt? The govt is our agent, which WE created to do our bidding. Not our master. We should be demanding. The individual comes first, and then comes the state.

If you think the govt is failing in the mandate that the citizens have given it, then demand performance or ask for the relevant people to be fired if they can not deliver.

Why should we, the taxpayers, be paying for the incompetent IAS? Sack bureaucrats who do not perform - pure and simple. Scrap tenure for IAS.

And, why will the legislators not listen to the citizens? The recent elections should be a salutary lesson for them, is it not?


Thanks

Supratim





On 3 June 2014 19:52, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
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                                                                  A  POLICY  TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

 

As the new academic year is now commencing , the parents and students belonging to poor families  are running around with frustration and sense of hopelessness , due to lack of quality educational opportunities. Those who interact with the poor families would know this.

Certainly, the poor students are entitled to aspire for quality education  that would provide them opportunities for growth, just as the students belonging to the affluent families.

Unfortunately, with private  educational institutions now largely going into the hands of business men and politicians,  the tuition and other fees charged in the private schools and colleges have become exhorbitant and beyond the reach of the students from lower income group.  It is sad that quality education now are available only for those who can afford to pay high fees.

Inevitably, the deprived students look upto the government for support to provide them opportunities for education  that would be of competitive standards. Unfortunately, the quality standards of education imparted in several government schools and colleges are  poor and inadequate. 

In such circumstances, the students belonging to lower income group and their parents desire to admit their children in private institutions, but they do not have the resources  to pay the demanded fees . They run from pillar to post to mobilise funds by borrowing or "begging". They go from one NGO  to another and these NGOs themselves do not command the resources required considering the need of the poor students.

In such circumstances, the politicians and the bureaucrats running the government have to be blamed for not maintaining the requisite  standards in the government owned educational institutions. Further, the government is not opening more schools and colleges in tune with the demand and perhaps, expect the money sucking private sector to fill the gap.

The poor quality of education in government schools and colleges have no justification.  The salaries and perks paid to the teachers in government schools and colleges are largely on par with that of private institutions and in some cases they are even better.  Most of the government institutions also have adequate facilities like laboratories etc. as  the government provide the funds.

The problem arises due to the poor quality of administration and indiscipline in these government institutions . One often see   local politicians entering the  premises and interfering in administration.   IAS officers who work in the Education department rarely visit the schools  and colleges  for inspection and when they do occasionally , they expect to be received  with red carpet welcome.

A suggestion was made in a recent meeting that the best way to improve the standards of the government owned educational institutions is to make it compulsory that the sons and daughters of IAS officers   and that of the ministers should study only in government owned or government aided institutions.  They use government bunglows / apartments and government vehicles.  Why not they use government schools and colleges also  ?   This policy  of government to ask the ministers and bureaucrats to admit their children in government institutions would certainly motivate them  to pay greater attention to improve the performance  and standards of government run educational institutions.

 

N.S.Venkataraman

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