Saturday, January 16, 2016

Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

6/1/16

DearSirs,
Who was really behind this scheme needs to be unraveled. My thinking is -Mr. Kejriwal himself. The tussle for police control is known and in implementing this scheme the police had to cooperate with the State Govt..In other words operate under his directions and control. He also knew the judiciary will support him in this move.This is just a thought,
2It will be very interesting if AK who has been challenging the PM for open debate will accept Mr. S. Roy's offer. Why not make this offer direct to him?
3Mr. Gupta has made many pertinent points and need to be elaborated to really assess their impact on the level of pollution in Delhi.
Being familiar with the problem some of my questions/observations are as under-
1. Why is judiciary is so much concerned with pollution in Delhi and not a word about pollution in other metropolitan cities?
2. Why no proper scientific study is made-determining the various factors causing pollution and their seasonal impact?
3. Why not gender neutral policy-why exemption for ladies, VIPs.Why discriminatory policy?
4. Is the judiciary or State Govt. aware of the pathetic condition of public transport-buses, Taxis, Ricksaws and inconvenience it is causing to the Common Man?
5. There is a limit to load on metro service, there is no feeder transport supporting the commuters-from metro station to and fro home.
6. It is true that Delhi has the highest number of Vehicles as a metropolitan city but how does it compare with others cities like Mumbai in terms of density of car population as well as cities like Tokyo,Newyork or others who are managing without such schemes?
If the intention is to discourage use of private wehicles, why not raise Registration ,Road taxcharges. Delhi has the lowest among metros It will also improve finances for traffic management.
7Delhi is at the border of Thar desert. So there is lot of dust pollution.One can feel suffocated by evening in the suburbs althrough the year.
8People-whether motorist, taxi drivers, Bus Drivers are very aggressive, impatient and unruly in behaviour.Traffic jams mostly occur when they block the opposite side of the road . Mostly the traffic police is absent and it becomes a free for all on such occasions.
9.What about old Delhi- where you can,t take a car and have to depend on some other means of transport and yet the pollution level is so high.
In my opinion,Mr. S. Roy should pursue this matter as he lives in Delhi, familiar with pollution problem in Delhi and understands political behind the scene move better.
Regds-JKGaur
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Dear Guptaji and Bhushanji

The ODD-EVEN scheme is now over today and all the real time data.is in.

From the data (taking it for granted that 50% of the private cars were
actually off the roads) it will be impossible for any honest scientist
to conclude that the massive pollution (especially the u2.5 pollution
is substantially caused by these cars.So who was really behind this
scheme I wonder?

I publicly challenge Mr. Arvind Kejriwal (or any other scientifically
/ technology qualified Minister in his cabinet) to debate this matter
with me in any forum of his choice, instead of fooling the public by
paid editorials with corrupt reporters and manipulated polls in
newspapers like Hindustan Times and ToI.

I shall rely upon data from Central Govt stations like SAFAR (Min.of
Earth Science), and CPCB which anybody can download in real time from
the net. Mr.Kejriwal can compare it with his govt's DPCC data (sample
copy enclosed).

I am attaching PDF samples of the latest reports down loaded in the
last 1 hour. Sufficeth it to say that PM2.5 pollution was between 2 to
4 times the prescribed levels on the last day of ODD-EVEN and well
over last years's levels.

Sarbajit

On 1/13/16, S C Gupta <scgupta48@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Traffic In Delhi
>
> Before we go for any action to reduce pollution due to vehicles ,it is very
> important to understand cause of pollution. A few pts to be analysed as
> below:
>
> 1. Number of vehicles & pollution percentage
> 2. Flow of vehicles & obstruction to its flow
> 3. Traffic jams due to uncontrollable vehicles, two wheelers, cyclists,
> pedestrians & breakdown of vehicles
> 4. Major cause at right turn which causes breakdown of flow of traffic.
> 5. Signal lights not working or uncontrolled crossings or nonskill of
> traffic staff or no fear of law & rules.
> 6. May many more e.g. Efficiency of engines or quality of fuels etc
> SUGGESTIONS-
> 1. Strict compliance of rules & regulations by fear of punishment like heavy
> monetary fine ( 10% of cost of categories of new vehicles or seizure for
> five days with the cost for caring the vehicle for 5 days & penalty for day
> wise thereafter)
> 2. No mercy or excuse in any condition in beginning of system
> 3. Don't become emotional
> 4. 50% of Fine collected should be given as incentive to traffic staffers
> balance for maintenance of operations. ( Take legal opinion)
> 5. There could be many more as per requirement of areas.
>
> Impact of Even & Odd Formula
> 1. Mental harassment to public
> 2. Business loss
> 3. Inability to form a rigid solution
>
> SC Gupta
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 11-Jan-2016, at 2:43 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes if course,if the vehicles on the road decreases,,the pollution is
>> bound to decrease.But the question is if as Arvind Kejriwal is propagating
>> in his TV Ad f a four stroke engine car is substituted by atwo stroke
>> motorcycle the pollution will decrease or increase.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>

Friday, January 15, 2016

Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Dear Guptaji and Bhushanji

The ODD-EVEN scheme is now over today and all the real time data.is in.

From the data (taking it for granted that 50% of the private cars were
actually off the roads) it will be impossible for any honest scientist
to conclude that the massive pollution (especially the u2.5 pollution
is substantially caused by these cars.So who was really behind this
scheme I wonder?

I publicly challenge Mr. Arvind Kejriwal (or any other scientifically
/ technology qualified Minister in his cabinet) to debate this matter
with me in any forum of his choice, instead of fooling the public by
paid editorials with corrupt reporters and manipulated polls in
newspapers like Hindustan Times and ToI.

I shall rely upon data from Central Govt stations like SAFAR (Min.of
Earth Science), and CPCB which anybody can download in real time from
the net. Mr.Kejriwal can compare it with his govt's DPCC data (sample
copy enclosed).

I am attaching PDF samples of the latest reports down loaded in the
last 1 hour. Sufficeth it to say that PM2.5 pollution was between 2 to
4 times the prescribed levels on the last day of ODD-EVEN and well
over last years's levels.

Sarbajit

On 1/13/16, S C Gupta <scgupta48@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Traffic In Delhi
>
> Before we go for any action to reduce pollution due to vehicles ,it is very
> important to understand cause of pollution. A few pts to be analysed as
> below:
>
> 1. Number of vehicles & pollution percentage
> 2. Flow of vehicles & obstruction to its flow
> 3. Traffic jams due to uncontrollable vehicles, two wheelers, cyclists,
> pedestrians & breakdown of vehicles
> 4. Major cause at right turn which causes breakdown of flow of traffic.
> 5. Signal lights not working or uncontrolled crossings or nonskill of
> traffic staff or no fear of law & rules.
> 6. May many more e.g. Efficiency of engines or quality of fuels etc
> SUGGESTIONS-
> 1. Strict compliance of rules & regulations by fear of punishment like heavy
> monetary fine ( 10% of cost of categories of new vehicles or seizure for
> five days with the cost for caring the vehicle for 5 days & penalty for day
> wise thereafter)
> 2. No mercy or excuse in any condition in beginning of system
> 3. Don't become emotional
> 4. 50% of Fine collected should be given as incentive to traffic staffers
> balance for maintenance of operations. ( Take legal opinion)
> 5. There could be many more as per requirement of areas.
>
> Impact of Even & Odd Formula
> 1. Mental harassment to public
> 2. Business loss
> 3. Inability to form a rigid solution
>
> SC Gupta
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 11-Jan-2016, at 2:43 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes if course,if the vehicles on the road decreases,,the pollution is
>> bound to decrease.But the question is if as Arvind Kejriwal is propagating
>> in his TV Ad f a four stroke engine car is substituted by atwo stroke
>> motorcycle the pollution will decrease or increase.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>

Wednesday, January 13, 2016

Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Traffic In Delhi

Before we go for any action to reduce pollution due to vehicles ,it is very important to understand cause of pollution. A few pts to be analysed as below:

1. Number of vehicles & pollution percentage 
2. Flow of vehicles & obstruction to its flow
3. Traffic jams due to uncontrollable vehicles, two wheelers, cyclists, pedestrians & breakdown of vehicles 
4. Major cause at right turn which causes breakdown of flow of traffic.
5. Signal lights not working or uncontrolled crossings or nonskill of traffic staff or no fear of law & rules.
6. May many more e.g. Efficiency of engines or quality of fuels etc
SUGGESTIONS-
1. Strict compliance of rules & regulations by fear of punishment like heavy monetary fine ( 10% of cost of categories of new vehicles or seizure for five days with the cost for caring the vehicle for 5 days & penalty for day wise thereafter)
2. No mercy or excuse in any condition in beginning of system
3. Don't become emotional 
4. 50% of Fine collected should be given as incentive to traffic staffers balance for maintenance of operations.         ( Take legal opinion)
5. There could be many more as per requirement of areas.

Impact of Even & Odd Formula
1. Mental harassment to public
2. Business loss
3. Inability to form a rigid solution 

SC Gupta 

Sent from my iPhone

On 11-Jan-2016, at 2:43 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes if course,if the vehicles on the road decreases,,the pollution is bound to decrease.But the question is if as Arvind Kejriwal is propagating in his TV Ad f a four stroke engine car is substituted by atwo stroke motorcycle  the pollution will decrease or increase.

Sent from my iPad

On 10-Jan-2016, at 10:42 pm, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:

The basic premise of this email chain belies logic.

1. Vehicles are an important contributor (not the only one) to pollution - YES/No?

2. More vehicles mean more pollution - must be YES, if the answer to (1) is YES.

3. Less Vehicles mean less pollution - must be YES, if answer to (2) is YES.

4. 0,5 X < X for all  X >0 . Not asking the question  YES/NO.

So having half the vehicles on the road will reduce pollution. I hope  this platform is not being used to debate this obvious fact.

Why are we not seeing the impact - I am not a weather scientist, but I would wait for a week or so before we see the change. Media reporting the data from the next day, is lack of application of mind at best  and political at worst.

Do we have comments on the implementation, and the exceptions.  Sure.  But, unless someone comes up with a more credible solution, let us give this a try.

Respectfully - 

Tridib  Roy Chowdhury. 




On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Shanti Bhushan ji

The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
Congress eventually) section of their voters .

We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
the slogan of  "Modi for PM and AK for CM".

Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
AAP. and the actual questions are :-

1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?

There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.

So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
"event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
misreads.
.
Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
ie..

A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
be opposed / rejected.

B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed

C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
is documented in our manifesto and charter.

sincerely

Sarbajit

On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to a
> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve the
> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he is
> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly flouting
> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents rule
> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if they
> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
> movement organise this?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 09-Jan-2016, at 6:58 pm, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> AAP has given the ultimate blow to the anti corruption movement in India.
>>

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Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Good Morning Friends
I by my experience of this life as well of last birth can say that CM KEJRIWAL  & PM MODI along with their near dears one IN POWER  are fooling general public and want to remain in power
Since i have REMEMBERED MY LAST BIRTH AND THUS REMEMBER HOW CONGRESS HAVE RULED OVER PARTITIONED  OUR COUNTRY AND SAME WAY IN PAKISTAN BY BE FOOLING ITS PUBLIC, first by dividing country and then by fooling general public and now AAP & MODI GOVERNMENT RULING OVER DELHI & INDIA , NO ONE IS ABLE TO THINK ABOUT POOR PUBLIC , WHO ARE MADE MORE POORER SINCE PARTITION , SO IS THE CASE IN THE WORLD OVER, AND THUS MAKING THIS EARTH AS HELL FOR GENERAL PUBLIC,WHICH THE GOD, SUPREME POWER CREATED AS HEAVEN , THUS DIVIDING GENERAL PUBLIC BY FOOLING    THEM AND RULING OVER THEM BY THEIR CUNNING NESS
MY MOTTO IS TO SEE THAT FINANCIALLY IF ALL ARE ALMOST EQUAL, THERE WONT BE ANY PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD , SO FOR THAT I M REQUESTING EVERY ONE TO VOTE BUT NOT TO ANY PARTY, ONLY INDIVIDUALS FROM THAT AREA , WHO NEVER HAD BEEN IN ANY PARTY AND NEVER WON  AND TO POOREST OF THE POOR, SO THAT HE KNOWS THE PROBLEMS OF THE MOST POOR ONES ON THE EARTH , no one can give from his pocket nor from his ancestral property , hence we the humane beings must under stand this and vote to an individuals who really does selfless service to general public like earlier, not like today's politicians
JAY HIND JAY SRI KRISHAN KRIPA BERSE SABHI PAR so that each & every one is happily enjoys his life on this earth by living peacefully without any difficulties in life

ASHOK
 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
AAP continues to rise. Punjab is 100% falling in their kitty in 2017. Delhi's MCD same way in 2017.
I believe if our objective is fighting AAP, its not the right thing. We should fight the wrongs they are doing or they are likely to do based on the what we have seen till now. similarly, we need to fight BJP for the wrongs they are doing.
AAP does not have a development vision. Thats is the saddest part. BJP does have one but its very bad for country's poor. Congress seemed to have been the most mature party till date. I was its biggest detractor and critic till recently, but seeing AAP's vision I feel Congress is a better choice now. But I would never go for it because it has been highly corrupt financially at the same time.
We have to find alternate non political strategies to get a good development model for this country and intervene in a manner that it affects politics. 

Diwan Singh

Member, Dwarka Water Bodies Committee
Yamuna Satyagraha
Ridge Bachao Andolan
Campaign for Preservation of Commons

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
No I am sure Arvind is engaging in direct financial corruption.that is taking big bribesth4ough his henchmen.
 I am not aware of either Sunita Kejriwals mid caree r training in Amsterdam  or about the family's Swiss vacation.
Sent from my iPad

> On 11-Jan-2016, at 4:06 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>
> I presume that you mean Arvind Kejriwal has embraced corruption in its
> wider sense, ie. not strictly in terms of financial corruption per se
> by way of taking direct bribes, but in a more general sense of
> anything which corrupts or influences by extraneous considerations his
> performance as a Chief Minister.
>
> If there was so actually so much tension between Centre and State,
> would Arun Jaitley have approved Ms.Sunita Kejriwal's recent trip to
> Amsterdam for Mid-career training program ? Would Arvind Kejriwal
> really get away with abusing his wife's ultimate boss.
>
> I seem to recall that when the controversy over Ms.Kejriwal paying for

> the Swiss family Kejriwal's vacation through a PF loan arose,
> apparently an AAP spokesperson said
>
> "Why can't Kejriwal's family spend time in Swiss resorts ?
> Obviously they didn't go there to open a bank account"
>
> Was it Mr.Jaitleys strong PR who got this story pulled from national media ?
> And why didn't any of the Ambani controlled  / funded TV networks run
> it prominently ?
> And most importantly, why did the Income Tax Depts' CPIO deny RTI informants
> who applied to know.about  this Swiss trip.
>
> Sir, this is all theatrics to distract public from the wholesale
> corruption which BJP
> and AAP are doing jointly and in collusion.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my opinion Arvind Kejriwal has already embraced corruption.He was
>> supported by all of us quite vigorously to usher in an era of clean
>> politics,He has shamelessly and ruthlessly abandoned that path and made it
>> quite difficult for people to repose much faith in any future attempts to
>> clean up politics and to make it an honest pursuit to find solutions to the
>> problems of different sections of people with the help of experts in those
>> fields.It is in my opinion therefore necessary that Kejriwal gets punished
>> for so blatantly betraying a noble cause.I have not the least doubt that
>> once he is out of power his party itself will disintegrate .He had made 70
>> promises but has not taken any steps to fulfil any of them.It is my
>> experience that any edifice based on falsehood and fraud does not last too
>> long.I agree that while Swaraj Abhiyan may be doing good work it is not a
>> political force .I however believe that as time passes ,since no improvement
>> is taking place in any sector,dissatisfaction against the AAP govt will keep
>> growing.Perhaps the municipal elections in 2017 might show this.The
>> elections to the Rajya Sabha from Delhi for the three Delhi seats have to be
>> held before 27th January 2018.If Arinds govt continues till then all the
>> three seats will go to Arvinds nominees.I don't think the Central Govt will
>> allow this to happen.They may either impose Presidents rule before that date
>> as Arvind every day keeps acting contrary to the constitution repeatedly,or
>> they may cause a split to take place among the MLAs leading to the fall of
>> govt.I know that most of the MLAs of AAP are corrupt and can be lured.Let us
>> wait see how things unfold.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 5:02 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>>>
>>> The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
>>> believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
>>> fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
>>> votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
>>> Congress eventually) section of their voters .
>>>
>>> We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
>>> between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
>>> the slogan of  "Modi for PM and AK for CM".
>>>
>>> Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
>>> doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
>>> AAP. and the actual questions are :-
>>>
>>> 1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
>>> 2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?
>>>
>>> There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.
>>>
>>> So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
>>> "event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
>>> misreads.
>>> .
>>> Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
>>> concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
>>> ie..
>>>
>>> A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
>>> US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
>>> be opposed / rejected.
>>>
>>> B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed
>>>
>>> C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
>>> is documented in our manifesto and charter.
>>>
>>> sincerely
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to
>>>> a
>>>> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve
>>>> the
>>>> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
>>>> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he
>>>> is
>>>> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
>>>> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly
>>>> flouting
>>>> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents
>>>> rule
>>>> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
>>>> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if
>>>> they
>>>> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
>>>> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
>>>> movement organise this?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>

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Re: [IAC#RG] POST PATHANKHOT ITS TIME FOR MANOHAR PARRIKAR TO HANG HIS BOOTS

Charu Kulkarni Sir,
Maj Navdeep Singh in a riposte to "The Telegraph" has given an idea as to how things can go wrong in spite of all the training,  precautions etc. 
With my limited ability  in English I will make an attempt to describe as to how we remain astounded in the battle field. In 1971 one of my men stepped on a mine . In the heat of the battle I simply sat on my haunches cleaned a pathway with bare hands and pulled SethuRam out  dressed his wound and our stretcher bearers evacuated him though under enemy artillery fire. Vishwanath Yadav one of the stretcher bearers dies hit by a splinter the others including Sethu Ram lived. In Sri Lanka I would question God " Almighty ,why him , when he had taken all possible preventive measures while I was totally exposed to the sniper". 
Gulab Singh one of my man during a fire fight on the LOC was very effectively using the Heavy Machine gun. It was from a gun emplacement which could with stand a direct hit from a field artillery shell. There was a small opening we had kept (without exaggeration a few cms by cms.) A splinter of micro mm flew in from that opening and severed the main artery on the thigh. We managed to save him. At the Artificial Limb centre in Pune when my wife was described the dimensions of the opening by Gulab Singh her first reaction was "how come"-  the same question that agitates you.
Gulab Singh could only mumble" God willed thus. I am at least alive" 
I do not know if I have been as articulate as Maj Navdeep Singh but then that the way it is. 
With Regards

Col Arun Joshi(Retired)
The INFANTEER
CONSERVE WATER, SEGREGATE GARBAGE, COMPOST WET GARBAGE
USE BIODEGRADABLE PACKING MATERIAL


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Charu Kulkarni <kulkarni.charu@gmail.com> wrote:
Further to the above letter, I would also like to know why all the TV channels and newspapers are only showing the family and funeral  of Lt.Col.Niranjan. While I agree that his death is a grave tragedy, I am sorry that there is no mention of all the other casualties of lower ranks. What of the effect of their deaths on their families? Nobody seems to be bothered.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Charu Kulkarni <kulkarni.charu@gmail.com> wrote:
Can any of you Indian Army officers explain to me how Lt.Col. Niranjan, a bomb disposal expert, was killed by a booby-trapped body. I thought everybody knows that dead bodies are booby-trapped by the enemy. Let me hasten to add that I am not -  for one moment - doubting the courage of Lt.Col Niranjan, but I cannot understand why he fell for the boob trap. 
Long ago, during the 1971 war I had a similar question when the anti-submarine frigate KHUKRI, was torpedoed by a submarine. I was a Merchant Navy captain for many years, and in fact, with the Indian Navy's permission I was racing from Okha to Bombay, hugging the coast, when the KHUKRI challenged my ship and then cleared us to proceed "crack on" towards Bombay on the track laid out by Navy HQ. I was shocked to learn later that the KHUKRI had been torpedoed.
I may be ignorant, but would like to know how these things happen.
And while you gentlemen are fulminating about Mr. Parrikar, can anyone explain how General V.K. Singh became the Chief of Army Staff?
He is reported to have fudged his age to get into the NDA and then made a big noise when he had to retire at the age he himself had declared at entry level. What does that say of the person he is? 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Jasvir Singh <jasvir70@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aires Rodrigues

your views deserve serious attention

Regards
jasvir

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Aires Rodrigues <airesrodrigues1@gmail.com> wrote:

The sordid happenings at Pathankhot over the last few days should be an eye opener.  India desperately needs a full time, dedicated and competent Defence Minister. The current incumbent who also merrily doubles up as the de- facto Chief Minister of Goa over the weekends has failed to ably lead the defence forces. His priority has been to keep himself embroiled in Goa's petty municipal and panchayat politics. Manohar Parrikar relishes in inaugurating roads, culverts, all and sundry while lowering the esteem and honor the very high position of Defence Minister entails.  

Not long ago while Narendra Modi was inking the Rafale fighter jet deal in France his Defence Minister was inaugurating a mobile fish stall in Goa.  When Modi went to Russia to sign the chopper deal, Manohar Parrikar was nowhere in sight. Probably, Modi chose to leave his Defence minister behind, lest he commits a gaffe.

After his disastrous three year tenure as Chief Minister of Goa, the awfully ego puffed Manohar Parrikar has ended up over the last year a catastrophe as Defence Minister of India. He has become a laughing stock and object of ridicule. It is high time Narendra Modi sees the writing on the wall and realises that India frantically needs a sincere, honest, competent and level headed Defence Minister.

The complete incorrect picture about Pathankhot that was sought to be given, that all operations were over, within a couple of hours, with some BJP MPs, going public in praising the Government, only to be exposed as falsehoods. The immature handling of the entire operation and the selective press leaks, still could not heal the damage done by the incompetent Defence Minister. For Manohar Parrikar, now to come out and claim that there were "some gaps" is nothing but confirming that the gap is caused due to his absence from Delhi on account of his regular hobnobbing in Goa.

Mere fact that Manohar Parrikar supported Narendra Modi for his anointing as Leader and future PM, ought not to have allowed Modi to lose his balance with this vital appointment. The position as Defence Minister is surely, not a Chairmanship of a Corporation. Nor is it for someone who seeks to play the role of a cowboy.

Manohar Parrikar gave us all those tall sermons on Zero tolerance to Corruption, but the rampant corruption which has ebbed to the peak is there for all to see. It is time for him to gracefully pack off and hang up his very soiled boots.

In the words of Abraham Lincoln 'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time"


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Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

AAP continues to rise. Punjab is 100% falling in their kitty in 2017. Delhi's MCD same way in 2017.
I believe if our objective is fighting AAP, its not the right thing. We should fight the wrongs they are doing or they are likely to do based on the what we have seen till now. similarly, we need to fight BJP for the wrongs they are doing.
AAP does not have a development vision. Thats is the saddest part. BJP does have one but its very bad for country's poor. Congress seemed to have been the most mature party till date. I was its biggest detractor and critic till recently, but seeing AAP's vision I feel Congress is a better choice now. But I would never go for it because it has been highly corrupt financially at the same time.
We have to find alternate non political strategies to get a good development model for this country and intervene in a manner that it affects politics. 

Diwan Singh

Member, Dwarka Water Bodies Committee
Yamuna Satyagraha
Ridge Bachao Andolan
Campaign for Preservation of Commons

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
No I am sure Arvind is engaging in direct financial corruption.that is taking big bribesth4ough his henchmen.
 I am not aware of either Sunita Kejriwals mid caree r training in Amsterdam  or about the family's Swiss vacation.
Sent from my iPad

> On 11-Jan-2016, at 4:06 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>
> I presume that you mean Arvind Kejriwal has embraced corruption in its
> wider sense, ie. not strictly in terms of financial corruption per se
> by way of taking direct bribes, but in a more general sense of
> anything which corrupts or influences by extraneous considerations his
> performance as a Chief Minister.
>
> If there was so actually so much tension between Centre and State,
> would Arun Jaitley have approved Ms.Sunita Kejriwal's recent trip to
> Amsterdam for Mid-career training program ? Would Arvind Kejriwal
> really get away with abusing his wife's ultimate boss.
>
> I seem to recall that when the controversy over Ms.Kejriwal paying for

> the Swiss family Kejriwal's vacation through a PF loan arose,
> apparently an AAP spokesperson said
>
> "Why can't Kejriwal's family spend time in Swiss resorts ?
> Obviously they didn't go there to open a bank account"
>
> Was it Mr.Jaitleys strong PR who got this story pulled from national media ?
> And why didn't any of the Ambani controlled  / funded TV networks run
> it prominently ?
> And most importantly, why did the Income Tax Depts' CPIO deny RTI informants
> who applied to know.about  this Swiss trip.
>
> Sir, this is all theatrics to distract public from the wholesale
> corruption which BJP
> and AAP are doing jointly and in collusion.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my opinion Arvind Kejriwal has already embraced corruption.He was
>> supported by all of us quite vigorously to usher in an era of clean
>> politics,He has shamelessly and ruthlessly abandoned that path and made it
>> quite difficult for people to repose much faith in any future attempts to
>> clean up politics and to make it an honest pursuit to find solutions to the
>> problems of different sections of people with the help of experts in those
>> fields.It is in my opinion therefore necessary that Kejriwal gets punished
>> for so blatantly betraying a noble cause.I have not the least doubt that
>> once he is out of power his party itself will disintegrate .He had made 70
>> promises but has not taken any steps to fulfil any of them.It is my
>> experience that any edifice based on falsehood and fraud does not last too
>> long.I agree that while Swaraj Abhiyan may be doing good work it is not a
>> political force .I however believe that as time passes ,since no improvement
>> is taking place in any sector,dissatisfaction against the AAP govt will keep
>> growing.Perhaps the municipal elections in 2017 might show this.The
>> elections to the Rajya Sabha from Delhi for the three Delhi seats have to be
>> held before 27th January 2018.If Arinds govt continues till then all the
>> three seats will go to Arvinds nominees.I don't think the Central Govt will
>> allow this to happen.They may either impose Presidents rule before that date
>> as Arvind every day keeps acting contrary to the constitution repeatedly,or
>> they may cause a split to take place among the MLAs leading to the fall of
>> govt.I know that most of the MLAs of AAP are corrupt and can be lured.Let us
>> wait see how things unfold.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 5:02 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>>>
>>> The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
>>> believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
>>> fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
>>> votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
>>> Congress eventually) section of their voters .
>>>
>>> We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
>>> between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
>>> the slogan of  "Modi for PM and AK for CM".
>>>
>>> Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
>>> doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
>>> AAP. and the actual questions are :-
>>>
>>> 1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
>>> 2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?
>>>
>>> There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.
>>>
>>> So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
>>> "event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
>>> misreads.
>>> .
>>> Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
>>> concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
>>> ie..
>>>
>>> A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
>>> US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
>>> be opposed / rejected.
>>>
>>> B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed
>>>
>>> C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
>>> is documented in our manifesto and charter.
>>>
>>> sincerely
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to
>>>> a
>>>> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve
>>>> the
>>>> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
>>>> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he
>>>> is
>>>> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
>>>> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly
>>>> flouting
>>>> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents
>>>> rule
>>>> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
>>>> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if
>>>> they
>>>> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
>>>> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
>>>> movement organise this?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>

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Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Dear Sarbajit , Yr point is valid,
otherwise also the restriction is violative of article 14 of the Constitution. Supreme Court constitution Bench in Anwar Ali Sarkar Vs West Bengal has clearly emphasized on reasonable classification.
"The guiding principle of this guaranty is that all persons similarly circumstanced shall be treated alike both in privileges conferred and liabilities imposed. It has been said that 'the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws'". 
Class legislation is that which makes an improper discrimination by conferring particular privileges upon a class of persons, arbitrarily selected from a large number of persons, all of whom stand the same relation to the privilege granted and between whom and the persons not so favoured no reasonable distinction or substantial difference can be found justifying the inclusion of one and the exclusion of the other from such privilege".
Here in this issue Private vehicles with petrol and diesel are not singly responsible for pollution. Taxis, motor bikes , trucks , tractors and many other vehicles are equally responsible. 1) How govt can exempt single lady driven vehicles from restriction ? 2) How taxis with diesel fuel can be exempt ? in fact by restricting pvt vehicles people may depend upon pvt taxis and they will play more trip than usual .
So , on the basis of this important issue any affected party , those who have got challan  can approach the court and claim the refund.. either by filing civil suit or by filing writ petition.  From the recent High court order it seems that no body has took the issue of unconstitutionality..     

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
No I am sure Arvind is engaging in direct financial corruption.that is taking big bribesth4ough his henchmen.
 I am not aware of either Sunita Kejriwals mid caree r training in Amsterdam  or about the family's Swiss vacation.
Sent from my iPad

> On 11-Jan-2016, at 4:06 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>
> I presume that you mean Arvind Kejriwal has embraced corruption in its
> wider sense, ie. not strictly in terms of financial corruption per se
> by way of taking direct bribes, but in a more general sense of
> anything which corrupts or influences by extraneous considerations his
> performance as a Chief Minister.
>
> If there was so actually so much tension between Centre and State,
> would Arun Jaitley have approved Ms.Sunita Kejriwal's recent trip to
> Amsterdam for Mid-career training program ? Would Arvind Kejriwal
> really get away with abusing his wife's ultimate boss.
>
> I seem to recall that when the controversy over Ms.Kejriwal paying for

> the Swiss family Kejriwal's vacation through a PF loan arose,
> apparently an AAP spokesperson said
>
> "Why can't Kejriwal's family spend time in Swiss resorts ?
> Obviously they didn't go there to open a bank account"
>
> Was it Mr.Jaitleys strong PR who got this story pulled from national media ?
> And why didn't any of the Ambani controlled  / funded TV networks run
> it prominently ?
> And most importantly, why did the Income Tax Depts' CPIO deny RTI informants
> who applied to know.about  this Swiss trip.
>
> Sir, this is all theatrics to distract public from the wholesale
> corruption which BJP
> and AAP are doing jointly and in collusion.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my opinion Arvind Kejriwal has already embraced corruption.He was
>> supported by all of us quite vigorously to usher in an era of clean
>> politics,He has shamelessly and ruthlessly abandoned that path and made it
>> quite difficult for people to repose much faith in any future attempts to
>> clean up politics and to make it an honest pursuit to find solutions to the
>> problems of different sections of people with the help of experts in those
>> fields.It is in my opinion therefore necessary that Kejriwal gets punished
>> for so blatantly betraying a noble cause.I have not the least doubt that
>> once he is out of power his party itself will disintegrate .He had made 70
>> promises but has not taken any steps to fulfil any of them.It is my
>> experience that any edifice based on falsehood and fraud does not last too
>> long.I agree that while Swaraj Abhiyan may be doing good work it is not a
>> political force .I however believe that as time passes ,since no improvement
>> is taking place in any sector,dissatisfaction against the AAP govt will keep
>> growing.Perhaps the municipal elections in 2017 might show this.The
>> elections to the Rajya Sabha from Delhi for the three Delhi seats have to be
>> held before 27th January 2018.If Arinds govt continues till then all the
>> three seats will go to Arvinds nominees.I don't think the Central Govt will
>> allow this to happen.They may either impose Presidents rule before that date
>> as Arvind every day keeps acting contrary to the constitution repeatedly,or
>> they may cause a split to take place among the MLAs leading to the fall of
>> govt.I know that most of the MLAs of AAP are corrupt and can be lured.Let us
>> wait see how things unfold.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 5:02 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>>>
>>> The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
>>> believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
>>> fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
>>> votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
>>> Congress eventually) section of their voters .
>>>
>>> We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
>>> between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
>>> the slogan of  "Modi for PM and AK for CM".
>>>
>>> Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
>>> doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
>>> AAP. and the actual questions are :-
>>>
>>> 1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
>>> 2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?
>>>
>>> There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.
>>>
>>> So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
>>> "event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
>>> misreads.
>>> .
>>> Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
>>> concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
>>> ie..
>>>
>>> A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
>>> US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
>>> be opposed / rejected.
>>>
>>> B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed
>>>
>>> C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
>>> is documented in our manifesto and charter.
>>>
>>> sincerely
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to
>>>> a
>>>> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve
>>>> the
>>>> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
>>>> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he
>>>> is
>>>> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
>>>> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly
>>>> flouting
>>>> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents
>>>> rule
>>>> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
>>>> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if
>>>> they
>>>> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
>>>> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
>>>> movement organise this?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>

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Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

12/1/16

Modi for PM and AK for CM is not BJP but AAP slogan which they used when Modi had already become PM.
In his earlier posts Mr. S. Roy had raised the issue of WI-FI towers and the big money involved in the move. So where does it stand now.
No politician takes bribe directly but through channels leaving no footprints of his own.
IAC has yet to make up its mind if AAP is a B team of Congress or BJP or both. In my opinion of neither. Its birth is a clever manipulation
by AK and his associates of the sense of anger and frustration of the AAM ADMI so evident during the Jan Andolan under the India Against coruption banner.Since it was held in Delhi AAP became the direct beneficiary. The other outcome was fall of the Congress Govt.both in the centre and later in Delhi.
Now that IAC has disasociated itself from Andolan,s public face- Anna Hazare, Arvind Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi,Prasant Bhusan, Justice Santosh Hegde there is no common nonpolitical platform to fight against the wrongdoings of AAP.
Swaraj Abhiyan as a breakawy faction should assume that role at least in Delhi. It has the intellectual strength but needs a public face to spread its message and highlight the wrong doings of AAP.
As far as AAP vote bank is concerned, minority vote can go back to congress if there is a strong leadership change.BJP also suffers from the same shortcoming.BJP can also benefit from the voters from Rajasthan and Haryana living in Delhi as there are strong BJP Govt. in these states. I belive by 2018 things will crystalise.
Regds

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Respected Shanti Bhushan ji

I presume that you mean Arvind Kejriwal has embraced corruption in its
wider sense, ie. not strictly in terms of financial corruption per se
by way of taking direct bribes, but in a more general sense of
anything which corrupts or influences by extraneous considerations his
performance as a Chief Minister.

If there was so actually so much tension between Centre and State,
would Arun Jaitley have approved Ms.Sunita Kejriwal's recent trip to
Amsterdam for Mid-career training program ? Would Arvind Kejriwal
really get away with abusing his wife's ultimate boss.

I seem to recall that when the controversy over Ms.Kejriwal paying for
the Swiss family Kejriwal's vacation through a PF loan arose,
apparently an AAP spokesperson said

"Why can't Kejriwal's family spend time in Swiss resorts ?
Obviously they didn't go there to open a bank account"

Was it Mr.Jaitleys strong PR who got this story pulled from national media ?
And why didn't any of the Ambani controlled / funded TV networks run
it prominently ?
And most importantly, why did the Income Tax Depts' CPIO deny RTI informants
who applied to know.about this Swiss trip.

Sir, this is all theatrics to distract public from the wholesale
corruption which BJP
and AAP are doing jointly and in collusion.

Sarbajit

On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
> In my opinion Arvind Kejriwal has already embraced corruption.He was
> supported by all of us quite vigorously to usher in an era of clean
> politics,He has shamelessly and ruthlessly abandoned that path and made it
> quite difficult for people to repose much faith in any future attempts to
> clean up politics and to make it an honest pursuit to find solutions to the
> problems of different sections of people with the help of experts in those
> fields.It is in my opinion therefore necessary that Kejriwal gets punished
> for so blatantly betraying a noble cause.I have not the least doubt that
> once he is out of power his party itself will disintegrate .He had made 70
> promises but has not taken any steps to fulfil any of them.It is my
> experience that any edifice based on falsehood and fraud does not last too
> long.I agree that while Swaraj Abhiyan may be doing good work it is not a
> political force .I however believe that as time passes ,since no improvement
> is taking place in any sector,dissatisfaction against the AAP govt will keep
> growing.Perhaps the municipal elections in 2017 might show this.The
> elections to the Rajya Sabha from Delhi for the three Delhi seats have to be
> held before 27th January 2018.If Arinds govt continues till then all the
> three seats will go to Arvinds nominees.I don't think the Central Govt will
> allow this to happen.They may either impose Presidents rule before that date
> as Arvind every day keeps acting contrary to the constitution repeatedly,or
> they may cause a split to take place among the MLAs leading to the fall of
> govt.I know that most of the MLAs of AAP are corrupt and can be lured.Let us
> wait see how things unfold.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 5:02 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>>
>> The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
>> believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
>> fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
>> votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
>> Congress eventually) section of their voters .
>>
>> We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
>> between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
>> the slogan of "Modi for PM and AK for CM".
>>
>> Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
>> doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
>> AAP. and the actual questions are :-
>>
>> 1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
>> 2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?
>>
>> There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.
>>
>> So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
>> "event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
>> misreads.
>> .
>> Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
>> concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
>> ie..
>>
>> A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
>> US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
>> be opposed / rejected.
>>
>> B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed
>>
>> C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
>> is documented in our manifesto and charter.
>>
>> sincerely
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to
>>> a
>>> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve
>>> the
>>> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
>>> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he
>>> is
>>> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
>>> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly
>>> flouting
>>> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents
>>> rule
>>> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
>>> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if
>>> they
>>> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
>>> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
>>> movement organise this?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>

Monday, January 11, 2016

Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

No I am sure Arvind is engaging in direct financial corruption.that is taking big bribesth4ough his henchmen.
I am not aware of either Sunita Kejriwals mid caree r training in Amsterdam or about the family's Swiss vacation.
Sent from my iPad

> On 11-Jan-2016, at 4:06 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>
> I presume that you mean Arvind Kejriwal has embraced corruption in its
> wider sense, ie. not strictly in terms of financial corruption per se
> by way of taking direct bribes, but in a more general sense of
> anything which corrupts or influences by extraneous considerations his
> performance as a Chief Minister.
>
> If there was so actually so much tension between Centre and State,
> would Arun Jaitley have approved Ms.Sunita Kejriwal's recent trip to
> Amsterdam for Mid-career training program ? Would Arvind Kejriwal
> really get away with abusing his wife's ultimate boss.
>
> I seem to recall that when the controversy over Ms.Kejriwal paying for

> the Swiss family Kejriwal's vacation through a PF loan arose,
> apparently an AAP spokesperson said
>
> "Why can't Kejriwal's family spend time in Swiss resorts ?
> Obviously they didn't go there to open a bank account"
>
> Was it Mr.Jaitleys strong PR who got this story pulled from national media ?
> And why didn't any of the Ambani controlled / funded TV networks run
> it prominently ?
> And most importantly, why did the Income Tax Depts' CPIO deny RTI informants
> who applied to know.about this Swiss trip.
>
> Sir, this is all theatrics to distract public from the wholesale
> corruption which BJP
> and AAP are doing jointly and in collusion.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In my opinion Arvind Kejriwal has already embraced corruption.He was
>> supported by all of us quite vigorously to usher in an era of clean
>> politics,He has shamelessly and ruthlessly abandoned that path and made it
>> quite difficult for people to repose much faith in any future attempts to
>> clean up politics and to make it an honest pursuit to find solutions to the
>> problems of different sections of people with the help of experts in those
>> fields.It is in my opinion therefore necessary that Kejriwal gets punished
>> for so blatantly betraying a noble cause.I have not the least doubt that
>> once he is out of power his party itself will disintegrate .He had made 70
>> promises but has not taken any steps to fulfil any of them.It is my
>> experience that any edifice based on falsehood and fraud does not last too
>> long.I agree that while Swaraj Abhiyan may be doing good work it is not a
>> political force .I however believe that as time passes ,since no improvement
>> is taking place in any sector,dissatisfaction against the AAP govt will keep
>> growing.Perhaps the municipal elections in 2017 might show this.The
>> elections to the Rajya Sabha from Delhi for the three Delhi seats have to be
>> held before 27th January 2018.If Arinds govt continues till then all the
>> three seats will go to Arvinds nominees.I don't think the Central Govt will
>> allow this to happen.They may either impose Presidents rule before that date
>> as Arvind every day keeps acting contrary to the constitution repeatedly,or
>> they may cause a split to take place among the MLAs leading to the fall of
>> govt.I know that most of the MLAs of AAP are corrupt and can be lured.Let us
>> wait see how things unfold.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 5:02 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Respected Shanti Bhushan ji
>>>
>>> The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
>>> believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
>>> fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
>>> votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
>>> Congress eventually) section of their voters .
>>>
>>> We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
>>> between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
>>> the slogan of "Modi for PM and AK for CM".
>>>
>>> Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
>>> doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
>>> AAP. and the actual questions are :-
>>>
>>> 1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
>>> 2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?
>>>
>>> There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.
>>>
>>> So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
>>> "event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
>>> misreads.
>>> .
>>> Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
>>> concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
>>> ie..
>>>
>>> A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
>>> US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
>>> be opposed / rejected.
>>>
>>> B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed
>>>
>>> C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
>>> is documented in our manifesto and charter.
>>>
>>> sincerely
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>> On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to
>>>> a
>>>> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve
>>>> the
>>>> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
>>>> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he
>>>> is
>>>> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
>>>> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly
>>>> flouting
>>>> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents
>>>> rule
>>>> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
>>>> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if
>>>> they
>>>> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
>>>> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
>>>> movement organise this?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

Yes if course,if the vehicles on the road decreases,,the pollution is bound to decrease.But the question is if as Arvind Kejriwal is propagating in his TV Ad f a four stroke engine car is substituted by atwo stroke motorcycle  the pollution will decrease or increase.

Sent from my iPad

On 10-Jan-2016, at 10:42 pm, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:

The basic premise of this email chain belies logic.

1. Vehicles are an important contributor (not the only one) to pollution - YES/No?

2. More vehicles mean more pollution - must be YES, if the answer to (1) is YES.

3. Less Vehicles mean less pollution - must be YES, if answer to (2) is YES.

4. 0,5 X < X for all  X >0 . Not asking the question  YES/NO.

So having half the vehicles on the road will reduce pollution. I hope  this platform is not being used to debate this obvious fact.

Why are we not seeing the impact - I am not a weather scientist, but I would wait for a week or so before we see the change. Media reporting the data from the next day, is lack of application of mind at best  and political at worst.

Do we have comments on the implementation, and the exceptions.  Sure.  But, unless someone comes up with a more credible solution, let us give this a try.

Respectfully - 

Tridib  Roy Chowdhury. 




On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Shanti Bhushan ji

The demographics of those who voted for AAP, and of those who still
believe in AAP enough to vote for them if election is held today is
fairly well known. Their populist steps are reinforcing their primary
votebank - even if alienating the second (which may mainly drift to
Congress eventually) section of their voters .

We are also not convinced that there is actually any disagreement
between BJP and AAP. We view them as 2 sides of the same coin sharing
the slogan of  "Modi for PM and AK for CM".

Even if President's Rule was "somehow" imposed again (which is
doubtful), it is not a permanent solution and it would only strengthen
AAP. and the actual questions are :-

1) What is the present alternative to AAP in Delhi ?
2) What credibility / numbers does your Swaraj Abhiyan have ?

There is no need to answer because the answer ("none") are well known.

So instead of any anti-AAP movement, it may well happen that some
"event" takes place which polarises AAP internally in a way AK
misreads.
.
Insofar as IAC's role in any further anti-corruption andolans is
concerned, of course we welcome everybody who shares our core views,
ie..

A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
be opposed / rejected.

B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed

C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
is documented in our manifesto and charter.

sincerely

Sarbajit

On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely agree with Venkatraman.kejriwal Kejriwal has taken politics to a
> new low.He has fully embraced corruption.He is doing nothing to improve the
> lives of people in Delhi and only doing self propagation by using public
> money and buying the media.It is now important in public interest that he is
> removed from office as early as possible.The central govt has adequate
> grounds to remove him and impose Prsidents rule as he is repeatedly flouting
> the constitution.The constitution provides for imposition of Presidents rule
> if the central govt is satisfied that a govt is not acting as per the
> constitution.But the central govt is likely to take this step only if they
> feel that the people of Delhi want his removal.A campaigne needs to be
> organised to voice this demand.Can the volunteers of Anti corruption
> movement organise this?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 09-Jan-2016, at 6:58 pm, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> AAP has given the ultimate blow to the anti corruption movement in India.
>>

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