Friday, October 9, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection


Your grievance could be redressed by Consumer Grievance Redressal Forum of BSES Rajdhani. Their address should be available on any of their electricity bills.If unresolved,you can approach Electricity Ombudsman,Delhi(address through google).This is more correct ,direct and less time consuming.Suresh Joshi


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Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Thanks for a detailed reply. I had actually read about this stay order on another discussion forum and it was clearly mentioned that it is collusion of Discoms and Delhi Govt.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 at 00:20 Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr. Selhi

1) BSES is not covered under RTI at present because there is a STAY
ORDER from Delhi High Court in WP(C) 542,543, 544 of 2007. I am the
Respondent No.2 in this case. The DERC has filed an application asking
for expedited hearing to the CJ of DHC but that is even more time-pass
and delay.

2) You don't need RTI. As Adv. Sureshan says under Electricity Act
every DISCOM is obliged to provide new connection on demand. You can
escalate this matter to the CGRF and allege that local officer BSES is
demanding bribe from you. You can also report this to BSES Vigilance.
Your facts, if true, make this is a clear case of soliciting bribe.

3) After that we can go to DERC asking for BSES licence to be
cancelled. The burden of proof is on BSES to show that there is/was a
meter installed in your demarcated premises and for which you are
liable.

4) You are not obliged to give any undertaking whatsoever as they have demanded.

5) PS: The RTIs for most information available with DISCOMS can be
filed to PIO of Delhi Power Company Ltd. (which is the holding company
of GoNCTD's 49% share in DISCOMS) and must be asked for under section
2(f) of RTI Act r/w "Transfer scheme".

"1.     Public Information Officer      Sh. Kamal Kishore       DM(Corporate Service)
        011-23247980
2.      First Appellate Authority       Sh. D.N. Sondhi         DGM(Fin.)
        011-23247990"

Sarbajit

On 10/9/15, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I have been looking up the website of BSES but could
> not find the name of PIO and procedure to file a RTI at BSES. I shall
> appreciate help on this account.
>
> With kind regards
>
> Harpal
>
> Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
> Professor
> Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
> DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.
>
> Resi:
> 527-L, Model Town,
> Ludhiana-141002
> Punjab (INDIA)
> +91-9815022527
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Pavitar Singh <pavitar1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dr. Harpal Ji,
>>
>> File an application under RTI and as for full details of this outstanding
>> amount. Name and complete address of the person, Account Number, Meter
>> Number, date of installation etc. as per BSES records on the one hand and
>> on the other submit reply along with affidavit that you are not related
>> with Mr Morya, the said flat as well as electricity connection at the
>> said
>> flat.
>>
>> Regards
>> Pavitar Singh
>> Jalandhar
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new
>>> development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few
>>> weeks
>>> we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our
>>> address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e.
>>> the
>>> address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.
>>>
>>> Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New
>>> Delhi.
>>>
>>> This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees
>>> but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we
>>> shall
>>> pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.
>>>
>>> Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI
>>> from BSES?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Harpal
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
>>> Professor
>>> Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
>>> DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.
>>>
>>> Resi:
>>> 527-L, Model Town,
>>> Ludhiana-141002
>>> Punjab (INDIA)
>>> +91-9815022527
>>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Thanks dear members of this group for your prompt and informative reply. 

I have escalated the complaint to the next level and in the meanwhile shall prepare an RTI application and also plan to visit the office and bring to their notice the discrepancy and hope good sense prevails on the dealing hand.

I am again at a loss as to how to file an RTI application and to whom.

Any help and guidance shall be welcome.

Regards

Harpal

Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Santosh Goswami <sgoswami@sureshotlegal.com> wrote:
Dear Doctor

They even send two bills of the same apartment. Its ridiculous. Certainly file an RTI and after confirmation, serve a legal notice and call upon them to compensate.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear Dr. Selhi

1) BSES is not covered under RTI at present because there is a STAY
ORDER from Delhi High Court in WP(C) 542,543, 544 of 2007. I am the
Respondent No.2 in this case. The DERC has filed an application asking
for expedited hearing to the CJ of DHC but that is even more time-pass
and delay.

2) You don't need RTI. As Adv. Sureshan says under Electricity Act
every DISCOM is obliged to provide new connection on demand. You can
escalate this matter to the CGRF and allege that local officer BSES is
demanding bribe from you. You can also report this to BSES Vigilance.
Your facts, if true, make this is a clear case of soliciting bribe.

3) After that we can go to DERC asking for BSES licence to be
cancelled. The burden of proof is on BSES to show that there is/was a
meter installed in your demarcated premises and for which you are
liable.

4) You are not obliged to give any undertaking whatsoever as they have demanded.

5) PS: The RTIs for most information available with DISCOMS can be
filed to PIO of Delhi Power Company Ltd. (which is the holding company
of GoNCTD's 49% share in DISCOMS) and must be asked for under section
2(f) of RTI Act r/w "Transfer scheme".

"1. Public Information Officer Sh. Kamal Kishore DM(Corporate Service)
011-23247980
2. First Appellate Authority Sh. D.N. Sondhi DGM(Fin.)
011-23247990"

Sarbajit

On 10/9/15, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I have been looking up the website of BSES but could
> not find the name of PIO and procedure to file a RTI at BSES. I shall
> appreciate help on this account.
>
> With kind regards
>
> Harpal
>
> Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
> Professor
> Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
> DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.
>
> Resi:
> 527-L, Model Town,
> Ludhiana-141002
> Punjab (INDIA)
> +91-9815022527
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Pavitar Singh <pavitar1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dr. Harpal Ji,
>>
>> File an application under RTI and as for full details of this outstanding
>> amount. Name and complete address of the person, Account Number, Meter
>> Number, date of installation etc. as per BSES records on the one hand and
>> on the other submit reply along with affidavit that you are not related
>> with Mr Morya, the said flat as well as electricity connection at the
>> said
>> flat.
>>
>> Regards
>> Pavitar Singh
>> Jalandhar
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new
>>> development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few
>>> weeks
>>> we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our
>>> address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e.
>>> the
>>> address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.
>>>
>>> Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New
>>> Delhi.
>>>
>>> This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees
>>> but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we
>>> shall
>>> pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.
>>>
>>> Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI
>>> from BSES?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Harpal
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
>>> Professor
>>> Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
>>> DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.
>>>
>>> Resi:
>>> 527-L, Model Town,
>>> Ludhiana-141002
>>> Punjab (INDIA)
>>> +91-9815022527
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear Dr. Harpalji, 
Greetings. I am an activist of RTI Act, working for Public Concern for Governance Trust, Mumbai, headed by Mr. Julio Ribeiro, former DGP, Punjab. I think you can seek clarification under the RTI Act, 2005.

But, before that, let me know if the address mentioned in the allotment order of your flat and the address mentioned in your application for electricity connection are exactly the same?
If so, where from they said: ''.....address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola''?
If what they say is not your flat address, then they are trying to force you pay for a wrong claim and you should not pay. 

So, for quicker clarification and result, you may like to visit the Electricity office with all original papers along with a copy of your application for electricity connection and explain the factual errors in their statement of the address of the flat and ask them to correct their record and accept your application. If they don't agree, then you have no option but to file an RTI application asking for a copy of the application filed by that ''Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola'' along with a copy of ''Morya''s allotment order. You can also enclose a copies of your application for connection and your flat allotment order. The truth may be out. But, mind you it takes time, a month or so, for a Public Information Officer (PIO) to reply and you have to be patient. But please don't give in to the demands of bribes and touts who may tempt you with shortcuts and summary procedures which may land you in trouble later on. 

You are welcome to contact me by email or by mobile phone which numbers are given below. Best. 








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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Thanks for your reply. I have been looking up the website of BSES but could not find the name of PIO and procedure to file a RTI at BSES. I shall appreciate help on this account.

With kind regards

Harpal

Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Pavitar Singh <pavitar1@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr. Harpal Ji,

File an application under RTI and as for full details of this outstanding amount. Name and complete address of the person, Account Number, Meter Number, date of installation etc. as per BSES records on the one hand and on the other submit reply along with affidavit that you are not related with Mr Morya, the said flat as well as electricity connection at the said flat. 

Regards
Pavitar Singh
Jalandhar 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear Dr. Harpal Ji,

File an application under RTI and as for full details of this outstanding amount. Name and complete address of the person, Account Number, Meter Number, date of installation etc. as per BSES records on the one hand and on the other submit reply along with affidavit that you are not related with Mr Morya, the said flat as well as electricity connection at the said flat. 

Regards
Pavitar Singh
Jalandhar 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear Doctor

They even send two bills of the same apartment. Its ridiculous. Certainly file an RTI and after confirmation, serve a legal notice and call upon them to compensate.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

relevant portion from the SC judgment for your reference with link .........................
"Section 43 of the Electricity Act, 2003, is very clear that it is
the duty of every licencee to give supply of electricity to the owner
or occupier of any premises within its area. [See Chandu Khamaru v.
Nayan Malik Others (2011) 12 SCC 314]. In this case, we find that
instead of ensuring that electricity is supplied to the occupant of
the premises in question in accordance with the provisions of Section
43 of the Electricity Act, 2003, the respondent No. 1 is taking resort
to a defence to ensure that electricity is not supplied in accordance
with the provisions of the Act. The facts are very clear that there
was a meter installed and the supply of electricity was to a
registered consumer. If for some reason or the other, the meter is no
longer there and the registered consumer is no longer willing for the
supply of electricity, the occupier of the premises is entitled as of
her own right under Section 43 to supply of electricity and respondent
No. 1 should have ensured that such supply was restored to the
petitioner after complying with all necessary formalities as provided
under the Act and the Rules and Regulations made thereunder."

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:22 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dr. Harpal Singh Sethi 
Legally Ur not supposed to pay any bill amount which is not issued in your name Thus no need to give any undertaking as such. The Company is liable to give new connection to your flat if your able to prove ownership ..  

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Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India, 
NLC( India ) Law Office
No. 90, Second Floor , Bank Enclave , Laxmi Nagar, Delhi-92..... Ph: 9818083219,7838598740,8802797432,01132081075 ( call time -strictly 4 P.M to 8 P.M on all working days) Extremely sorry if not attended call outside this time limit 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dr. Harpal Singh Sethi 
Legally Ur not supposed to pay any bill amount which is not issued in your name Thus no need to give any undertaking as such. The Company is liable to give new connection to your flat if your able to prove ownership ..  

http://freedomteam.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ftilogo-new-300x183.jpg
P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India, 
NLC( India ) Law Office
No. 90, Second Floor , Bank Enclave , Laxmi Nagar, Delhi-92..... Ph: 9818083219,7838598740,8802797432,01132081075 ( call time -strictly 4 P.M to 8 P.M on all working days) Extremely sorry if not attended call outside this time limit 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Hats off to Mr.Morya,for getting away without "payment" of Bill,no disconnection.
RTI is one option.
Next visit to Delhi,meeting the Linesman/AEN is quicker route to trace solution.
Doctors are no great guns of IAC. Am a doctor in 9th decade of life.
J.K.Chaudhry
011-26147005
7827931167

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> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.
>
> Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.
>
> This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.
>
> Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?
>
> Regards
>
> Harpal
>
>
> Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
> Professor
> Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
> DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.
>
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> 527-L, Model Town,
> Ludhiana-141002
> Punjab (INDIA)
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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

yes sir you can get information under RTI and meet Power supply  minister govt of Delhi / CM Mr Arvind Kejriwal

With regards Col BP Singh 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
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Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
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Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
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Re: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Please refer the Section 43(1) of the Electricity Act,2003.
Also kindly refer the definition of  Consumer under Section 2(15),& Definition of Distribution Licensee under Section 2(17). In case the BSES has failed to provide the new Connection,Please refer the issue to CGRF or DERC. 
You can contact Mr. P.S Sharda on pssharda@hotmail.com at New Delhi.
We have been able to get the issues sorted out at Mumbai & Maharashtra as awaken Activists.
The MERC has published Electricity Supply Code & other Conditions of Supply under Section 50.
Similar Codes must have been published by DERC. It is an older organisation.
 
 

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in


From: Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 9 October 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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RE: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear Sir

1.It seems to be very clear that no one has already occupied your flat.
2.You can give the affidavit with small rider that we shall pay if there was connection in your flat and the amount is still payable.
 Thanks
JP

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:51:34 +0530
From: drharpal@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

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[IAC#RG] New Electricity Connection

Dear All,

My wife was allotted a LIG flat from DDA as first time allottee of a new development. We applied for new electricity connection and after few weeks we got to know that our application had been rejected as part of our address is mentioned in another bill which is pending for payment i.e. the address mentioned is Mr Morya, XX-C, LIG Flats, Jasola.

Our flat address if XX-C, Second floor, Block-Y, Pocket Z, Jasola, New Delhi.

This Mr Morya had nothing to do with out flat, we are original allottees but BSES Rajdhani has now directed us to furnish an affidavit that we shall pay this amount in case it remains unpaid.

Please guide me how should we proceed. Can I seek information under RTI from BSES?  

Regards

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

Thursday, October 8, 2015

[IAC#RG] Regarding complaint of Sh. Sarbajit Roy- Delhi Police's corruption in the matter of Dy.C.M., GNCT of Delhi.

To:
The Joint Commissioner of Police (Traffic), Delhi Police
cc: OSD to Hon'ble LG (Shri Ajay Chaudhary)

Sir

I refer to the forward of my complaint from O/o Commissioner of Police
vide Dy. No. is 18250/E-mail dated 01/10/2015 through DCP/Vigilance
vide This office U.O. No. 2296/P.Sec. CP, dated 05/10/2015.

I further refer to the email sent by ACP/PRG, FOR DY. COMMISSIONER OF
POLICE, TRAFFIC: (HQ): DELHI. to Shri Ajay Chaudhury OSD to Hon'ble
LG on Sep 10, 2015 in this connection of LG Office U.O. No.
47(1)/RN/2015/809/A-4216 dated 08.07.2015, on the subject cited
above.

It is very strange that the Delhi Police is privately denying what
several national newspapers and news media have reported, ie. that the
Vehicle DL 10 CA 0017 in which Shri Manish Sisodia was traveling was
stopped after a long chase at high speed and challaned after
interception at Wazirabad bridge.

By way of example, I cite reputed national newspapers like Times of
India (dated 20 June 2015)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Delhi-deputy-CM-Manish-Sisodias-car-chased-by-cops-fined-for-speeding/articleshow/47741995.cms

and video on INDIATV news channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j8VF8BGHV4

Accordingly, in view of the serious nature of the allegations of
corruption I am raising, and which I fully intend to pursue, I am
hereby calling upon Delhi Police to immediately publish a rejoinder to
the aforesaid Times of India news story on Delhi Police website under
advise to me. Failing which I shall presume that the version of events
of Delhi Police, ie. Mr. Sisodia's official vehicle, Toyota INNOVA,
immediately stopped at the spot, that there was no chase /
interception as reported by media, and that the driver paid the
challan on the spot etc, is totally false and concocted to save Mr.
Sisodia.

I am also looking forward to receiving a specific reply on my
unanswered query on why Rs. 400 was collected as challan when the
prescribed amount for compounding this offence is Rs.360, and who has
pocketed the difference of Rs.40/- and how it is accounted for.

Sincerely

Er. Sarbajit Roy
Complainant
M: 8010205897

NB: Annexed below is copy of your officer's reply.

OFFICE OF THE DY.COMMISSIONER OF POLICE; TRAFFIC (HQ): DELHI.
1ST FLOOR, ADMINISTRATIVE BLOCK D.P. SHASTRI MARG, PUSA DELHI.

No._______/Complaint Branch(D-II)/Traffic dated New Delhi the, _________/2015

To
Sh. Ajay Chaudhary
O.S.D to Lt. Governor
Raj Niwas, Delhi-110054.

Subject: - Regarding complaint of Sh. Sarbajit Roy- Delhi Police's
corruption in the matter of Dy.C.M., GNCT of Delhi.

Sir,

Kindly refer to your office U.O. No.
47(1)/RN/2015/809/A-4216 dated 08.07.2015, on the subject cited
above.

The matter has been looked into through
DCP/Traffic/Eastern Range. It has been revealed that the Complainant
has asked the statuary enquiry in the matter of recent (12.06.2015)
over speed challan made by Khajuri Khas Circle against vehicle No.
'DL-10CA-0017' in the area of kharuri Khas Circle. This vehicle was
belongs to Delhi Govt. and using by the Dy.Chief Minister of Delhi for
official purpose as reported in national media. As per applicant, the
errant vehicle of Dy. Chief Minister of Delhi was caught after a long
high speed chase and the applicant further raised the following
questioned according to the media report published in national media
News Paper:-

1. That, why the vehicle could not stop whereas too many chase
vehicle, advanced expensive interceptor were present at that time.

2. That, why the errant vehicle was not searched and examined.

3. That, why the FIR was not registered against violator.

4. That, why the Dy.CM/Delhi was allowed his driver to drive in over speed.

5. That, why the magistrate enquiry was not conducted on it and so on.

In this connection, it is submitted that as per the office record of
Khajuri Khas Circle, challan record and also the statement recorded by
TI/Khajuri Khas Circle from interceptor staff of KJC, those were
present at the time of prosecution of aforesaid vehicle, which was
caught for the violation of over speed in the area of Khajuri Khas
Circle and it has been found that aforesaid vehicle was signalized by
staff at Nanaksar Signal, after the interceptor device recorded its
speed 64Km/h, more than prescribe limit i.e. 50km/h, and after the
flagged down by staff the errant vehicle was stopped it self at the
spot. The challan was made against vehicle No. Dl-10CA-0017 for
violation of over speed and was fined Rs.400/- as usually in the area
of Khajuri Khas Circle. As mentioned in too many News paper and
National Media that the aforesaid vehicle was caught after a lenthly
high speed chase by the staff of Khajuri Khas Circle which took more
than one hour. Whereas, no such type of incident was happened to
prosecute the aforesaid vehicle as a matter of fact. As far as is
concerned, the prosecution of aforesaid vehicle is relates to Traffic
police of Khajuri Khas, further matter belongs to Delhi Government. A
copy of challan is hereby attached for ready reference.

Yours faithfully



ACP/PRG
FOR DY. COMMISSIONER OF POLICE,

TRAFFIC: (HQ): DELHI.

No________/Complaint Branch(D-II)/Traffic dated New Delhi the, _________/2015

Copy to:-

i. So
to Spl.CP/T vide Diary No.595/CP dated 10.07.2015 for information.

ii. So
to Jt.Cp/T vide Diary No. 1747-E, dated 09.07.2015, No. 1789-E dated
13.07.2015 and No. 16/LG dated 13.07.2015, for information.

iii. Sh.
Sarbajit Roy (sroy.mb@gmail.com) w.r.t your email dated 20.06.2015,
26.06.2015, 08.07.2015 and 12.07.2015 for information.

Tuesday, October 6, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Sir

I presume you mean the "Short Service Commission" system under which a
large number of entrants join.Or did you mean the 33 years which an OR
has to serve to enjoy full pension, but which rarely happens ?

The Indian Army is a voluntary service and it is an individuals
"choice" to join or not. Personally I have always believed that there
should be universal compulsory national military service for 2 years
between age 18 and 22 so that personnel can make an informed decision
on joining a "professional" army as a career.

The (mischievous) recommendations of the 3rd Pay Commission were taken
after the 1971 war, which caused a huge economic loss for India and a
fear in Govt that army could take over. It was allegedly taken to
correct the "imbalance" between armed forces getting 70% pension and
babus getting only 30% pension. Many Pay Commissions have tried to
correct that. I recall that in 1998 NDA/BJP Govt increased the
retirement age by 2 years to delay pay out of increases of pension
caused by recommendations of the 5th Pay Commission. This caused those
in service to draw 2 extra annual increments alongwith increasd DA,
so when they retired on or after 2000, their pensions had actually
increased by 50%.

Just look at the spiraling pension bills for armed forces (source
Sunil Jain "Short step from OROP to Greece") - Rs 11,250 crore in
FY05 to Rs 21,790 crore in FY10 and R54,500 crore in FY16; for the
government as a whole, it is up from R26,250 crore in FY05 to R60,489
crore in FY10 to R127,507 crore in FY15. To put this in perspective,
India's GDP rose from Rs29,71,464 crore in FY05 to Rs61,08,903 crore
in FY10 and to Rs1,25,41,208 crore in FY15—so as a share of GDP,
India's pension bill rose from 0.88% to 0.92% in a decade. As a
proportion of total government expenditure, it rose from 5.3% in FY05
to 7.1% in FY15.

And all this for (as a former COAS wrote in an official letter to PMO)
an army that is unfit to fight.

All I can suggest is that all retirees should focus their guns on the
politicians and not cause collateral damage on other sections - the
vast majority of those who work (and pay for these pensions by way of
taxes) and who do not get state pensions or any form of social
security and who are HUGELY RESENTFUL of the privileges conferred on a
select few.

Sarbajit

On 10/7/15, shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> Pl enlighten whether there should be any compensation for forced early
> retirements of Service personnel or it is a non issue. Is there any way to
> undo the wrongs done to Services during 1973 when their pensionary benefits
> were brought down from 70 to 50 percent.
>
> Over simplification and generalisation may not be the solution. Inequity
> hurts more than insufficiency.
>
> Best wishes and regards.
>
> SR
> On 7 Oct 2015 01:56, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Nauni,
>>
>> If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily
>> trump with corruption and politicised Army cards
>>
>> I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the
>> institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the
>> INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE
>> for
>> pensions encapsulated by OROP.
>>
>> Do you not sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning
>> pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the
>> FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the
>> Army
>> - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?
>>
>> Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the
>> contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised
>> environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living
>> longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large
>> that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees
>> leading
>> to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had
>> a
>> huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security
>> system skewed to keep the old alive.
>>
>> Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP
>> agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down
>> India's
>> standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever
>> wondered
>> that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production
>> after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?
>>
>> Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like
>> Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly
>> litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like
>> Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to
>> speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as
>> tit-for-tat.
>>
>> And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to
>> ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen
>> A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?
>>
>> Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces
>> will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to
>> the General staff.
>>
>> And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and
>> other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B
>> issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at
>> the
>> top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their"
>> lines of succession and their pensions.
>>
>> PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his
>> forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life,
>> prestige and territory.
>>
>> In such light do you disagree that there should be a total separation of
>> Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals
>> should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also
>> agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be
>> foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
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>

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Devinder Chopra ASKS ON OROP  ,
 
IF that said reduction for the armed services, and increase for the civilian bureaucrats (as of 1971) came to pass, what was the rationale for the same, as well as the timing, thereof, Sire ? 

Sir,  a 7 year old could answer that .

India's growth rate had come down to its lowest Hindu rate of 3% feeding refugees in 1971 -72 and fighting a war and morale of the country was at its highest and militarily was respected so Mrs G asked Chiefs and got their approval as loyal citizens to reduce pensions and later promised ONE RANK ONE PENSION. Rest is history of the perfidy of our bureaucracy and the  result of this OROP will also be the courage or perfidy of the CHIEFS. 

Need i say more as we were taught Chief Sahib Is your KARATA DHARTA and I still do not know what it means,  but every ship has the photo of the Chief on a high pedestal and a Chief  VK is in the CABINET who fought for himself and seems to have lost steam as  a loser does,  but a loser becomes a winner when he rises to fight again ! 
Any comments. 
RR 



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On 7 October 2015 at 05:42, Devinder Chopra <ddchop47@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Respected Sarbajit Roy Sahib,

i have followed the strengths of innate logic and the "ups & downs" of the arguments laid out in the OROP debate -- unending + i'm sure, a cause celebre among the jingoistic Pakis across our borders ! 

It has been advanced that, Quote
" It is the bureaucrats & politicians who, on the victory of the 1971 war, presented the Defence Forces with a reduction of pension (!!!) from 70 % to 50%, where as they helped themselves with an increase of pension from 30% to 50%. So who sowed the seed ? Unquote 

IF that said reduction for the armed services, and increase for the civilian bureaucrats (as of 1971) came to pass, what was the rationale for the same, as well as the timing, thereof, Sire ? 

There is no question that our brave and tested, armed services must remain above political "tamashas" cum jingoism, reeking of favouritism that may have occurred, more than once. The untested and failing cum corrupt politician/s are reeking of such demeanours -- perhaps, time & again ..... 

The current impasse at 'Jantar Mantar' is indeed a major cause for concern for any nationalistic, loyal Indian. That must get sorted out and/or halted -- sooner the better.

With respects & kind regards.
dev chopra in gurgaon
(un retiree)




On 7 October 2015 at 01:50, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Nauni,

If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily trump with corruption and politicised Army cards

I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE for pensions encapsulated by OROP.

Do you not  sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the Army - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?

Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees leading to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had a huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security system skewed to keep the old alive.

Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down India's standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever wondered that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?

Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as tit-for-tat.

And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?

Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to the General staff.

And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at the top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their" lines of succession and their pensions.

PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life, prestige and territory.

In such light  do you disagree that there should be a total separation of Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Veterans
There are many issues and injustices done to Armed Forces since Independence. We can start fighting on all issued together. We are taking up one issue at a time so that all energies can be directed to the issue. Present issue is OROP and all of us are fully concentrating on its fulfillment as per approved definition. 
 
Regards

Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
Flat no 801, Tower N5
Narmada Apartments
Pocket D6 
Vasant Kunj
Nelson Mandela Marg
New Delhi. 110070
Mobile   09810541222
OROP is our right. Dilution in OROP will NOT be accepted.
 
IF YOU SEE SOMEONE WITHOUT A SMILE GIVE HIM ONE OF YOURS.



  


From: shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: raghwendra <col.raghu@rediffmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2015 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Sir,
Pl enlighten whether there should be any compensation for forced early retirements of Service personnel or it is a non issue.  Is there any way to undo the wrongs done to Services during 1973 when their pensionary benefits were brought down from 70 to 50 percent.
Over simplification and generalisation may not be the solution. Inequity hurts more than insufficiency.
Best wishes and regards.
SR
On 7 Oct 2015 01:56, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Col Nauni,

If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily trump with corruption and politicised Army cards

I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE for pensions encapsulated by OROP.

Do you not  sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the Army - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?

Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees leading to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had a huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security system skewed to keep the old alive.

Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down India's standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever wondered that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?

Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as tit-for-tat.

And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?

Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to the General staff.

And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at the top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their" lines of succession and their pensions.

PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life, prestige and territory.

In such light  do you disagree that there should be a total separation of Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Sir,

Pl enlighten whether there should be any compensation for forced early retirements of Service personnel or it is a non issue.  Is there any way to undo the wrongs done to Services during 1973 when their pensionary benefits were brought down from 70 to 50 percent.

Over simplification and generalisation may not be the solution. Inequity hurts more than insufficiency.

Best wishes and regards.

SR

On 7 Oct 2015 01:56, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Nauni,

If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily trump with corruption and politicised Army cards

I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE for pensions encapsulated by OROP.

Do you not  sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the Army - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?

Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees leading to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had a huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security system skewed to keep the old alive.

Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down India's standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever wondered that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?

Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as tit-for-tat.

And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?

Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to the General staff.

And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at the top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their" lines of succession and their pensions.

PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life, prestige and territory.

In such light  do you disagree that there should be a total separation of Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Respected Sarbajit Roy Sahib,

i have followed the strengths of innate logic and the "ups & downs" of the arguments laid out in the OROP debate -- unending + i'm sure, a cause celebre among the jingoistic Pakis across our borders ! 

It has been advanced that, Quote
" It is the bureaucrats & politicians who, on the victory of the 1971 war, presented the Defence Forces with a reduction of pension (!!!) from 70 % to 50%, where as they helped themselves with an increase of pension from 30% to 50%. So who sowed the seed ? Unquote 

IF that said reduction for the armed services, and increase for the civilian bureaucrats (as of 1971) came to pass, what was the rationale for the same, as well as the timing, thereof, Sire ? 

There is no question that our brave and tested, armed services must remain above political "tamashas" cum jingoism, reeking of favouritism that may have occurred, more than once. The untested and failing cum corrupt politician/s are reeking of such demeanours -- perhaps, time & again ..... 

The current impasse at 'Jantar Mantar' is indeed a major cause for concern for any nationalistic, loyal Indian. That must get sorted out and/or halted -- sooner the better.

With respects & kind regards.
dev chopra in gurgaon
(un retiree)




On 7 October 2015 at 01:50, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Nauni,

If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily trump with corruption and politicised Army cards

I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE for pensions encapsulated by OROP.

Do you not  sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the Army - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?

Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees leading to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had a huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security system skewed to keep the old alive.

Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down India's standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever wondered that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?

Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as tit-for-tat.

And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?

Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to the General staff.

And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at the top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their" lines of succession and their pensions.

PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life, prestige and territory.

In such light  do you disagree that there should be a total separation of Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?

Sarbajit

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