Friday, June 12, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

To Say the least-most of the judges,be it magistrate level to high court level(supreme court is also not out of corruption -but the cases/%  are less) are not doing their duties honourably, and that is a serious matter.
In our legeal system-people depend on their final verdict and corruption at this level beats the general public.Lawyers also take clients for a ride and are fleecing client to limits of desperation.Recently I came to know about a case wherin a villager -who had his case in high court was called by a lawyer siting date of his case for donkey years,approached a court employe and was surprisingly told ,that he had lost his case 2 yrs back and produced his judgement copy-while his lawyer was taking fee for every date/visit.
Another one-A lawyer friend of mine says-if there are 6ooo-lawyers in court-not more than 6 are doing duty honourably.
In my personal experience -when I mentioned the name of a lawyer and the judge with respect-he said Dock do`nt be so respectful to them as most of them are either losers-could not get selected for any competitive exam,even had failures and took the easy path to ths proffesion.
Not taking offence to all-I still say that majority in this profession  are killing the justice...

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:54 PM, DR MC GEORGE <drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear friends
        Now Judges are acting as super powers and want to be left free from any sort of even discussion about their duties and the real situation existing today. They select ,they appoint, they make or prepare rules by themselves with nobodyelse to evaluate or asses. Pretty odd situation in a democratic setup with seperate legislatures for making laws and an executive to implement with a judiciary to interpret and decide. All extrajudicial bodies like Tribunals, Commissions ect. which are plum posts after retirement will render the system most ineffective and corrupt. Moreover these extra bodies are usless waste of resources. 
           Anyway the system of selection and appointment under one agency will leave the judiciary as useless and corrupt entity.
Dr.M.C,George, Advocate,INFAM-IndianFarmersMovement- National Trustee.



On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 7:13 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:


9/6/15

Dear Sirs,
We are here criticising judiciary not someone( as a person). And judiciary as an institution spread from NewDelhi(the seat of power) to small towns  throughout the length and breadth of the country, has failed to deliver timely justice.Please think of crores of cases pending from a few years to a few decades and each case has at least two litigants-their emotions,frustrations and finances. Before independence this system was prevailing only where British
administered territories. There were more than 565 States which were outside this system.
2. What makes you think that many of us are not living by the standards of honesty, truthfulness and other desirable
attributes  that you have mentioned. But these are all duties, and we are living on the diet of rights not duties.Besides the fundamental rights in the constitution, the latest addition is human rights and you can cover anything under the umrella of human rights. Regds   

Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 11:44:01 +0530
From: r.dua1234@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


These planks are good for winning votes but in the end wat matters is dat 'every Indian should have food on their plates.'
But this to salute ur good sentiment shri nag ji.
Wish this cld be true.
And Shri Malhotra ji has said right that population control is most imp in today's scenario of limited resources.
Our Respected Judiciary set the guidelines but it is for us to put it in practice.
Today in the papers that Delhi govt has allowed pv test on rape victims inspite of Court Guidelines.
On 8 Jun 2015 07:56, "Hirak Nag" <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The statement 'When people lose faith in (our) judiciary, consequences can be alarming' is highlighting another serious concern supposedly afflicting our governance, but is this not another reflection on our thinking ? We must first give serious thought to our own deficient thinking and actions, each and every one of us, before shooting off our mouths to blame 'someone' else. Do right, do good, don't lie, don't cheat, and hear I would like to repeat my advise, ' Care for your sisters, live clean, think honest, do honest.' Only those who think honest and do honest can critisize misdemeanours.--------Hirak Nag.
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On Sat, 6/6/15, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
 To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>, "R N Goil" <rngoil@yahoo.com>
 Date: Saturday, 6 June, 2015, 12:10 AM

 After 1977, no law maker has been
 able to gather courage even to mention about family planning
 in any forum - probably not even in private. Production
 level being much higher in lower income groups, the number
 of people below poverty line keeps on  increasing,
 government being forced to control the figure by
 manupulating the threshold level of Poverty..

 R.N.Malhotra

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 On Fri, 6/5/15, R N Goil <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
 CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
  To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
 <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  Date: Friday, June 5, 2015, 11:36 AM

  Let us
  have the courage to follow 1 child norm like China for 20
  years to solve most of our ills. RN
  Goil

    



      On Friday, 5 June 2015 1:54 AM,
 Gaur J K
  <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
 wrote:
  
    

  

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  A PIL was filed in the Suprme Court
  in 2008 seeking speedy justice by some NGOs. After a
 period
  of 6 years the Court has  summarily disposed of the
  petition in December 2014.
  To clear the
  mounting backlog of cases in different courts and to
 ensure
  that the backlog does not reappear a number of submissions
  were made for increasing the strength of the judges,
 filling
  up of the existing vacancies in subordinate courts, create
  addl. infrastructure facilities including greater
  transparency and accountability. The court observed that
 the
  judiciary has alrrady considered most of the issues raised
  in the petition indepndently and finally. Janhit Manch(
 Mr.
  Rayani) is one of the petitioners.So where is the
  hope for improvement in the justice delivery
  system?JKGaur
  Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015
  10:15:55 +0530
  From: deegees11@gmail.com
  To: trident142@yahoo.co.in
  CC:
  truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com;
 iyer_ga@yahoo.com;
  rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in;
 vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com;
  j_nc2000@yahoo.com;
 indiaresists@lists.riseup.net;
  Janshakti@yahoogroups.com;
 barkha@ndtv.com
  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN
  JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

  IAC was started by Kejriwal and
  now it has been hijacked by BJP morons.
  On 1 June 2015 at 09:47,
  capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
  its We the People
  who have to oversee the judges through live telecast of
  court proceedings.
  presently applicable colonial rules IPC/CrPC  
  the judges have too much discretion, as was designed for
  Britishers. must be harshly limited.
  since the judges are also
  servants of We the People.   
  if we see how law is made then we must also
  see how that law is applied.  therefore I  have been
  requesting President and  CJI  to start live telecast of
  SC  proceedings. only dishonest judges will object.

  rgds.
  beniwal 


       On Sunday, 31 May
  2015 9:12 PM, PANDIAN Paulraj <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
      

   It is NOT our intention to
  blame any one or any individual or the system. WE ARE
  CONFUSED. One judge says GUILTY. The same case, same
  accused, same arguments, another more experienced, more
  knowledgeable judge is saying NOT GUILTY. Who is wrong and
  who is right? It can not be brushed aside as awn
 aberration.
  Both are presenting 800 plus pages of reasoning to
  substantiate their conclusions. Obviously one of them is
  wrong. I am personally scared when my case comes up for
  judgment who will try me and with what result? Added to it
  is the immunity granted to the judiciary by itself. But
 then
  who will oversee the judiciary? The Politicians? That is
 the
  joke of the millennium. Regards.

  Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>
  wrote:

  Simply
  put, naxalism, terrorism etc. are the offshoots of loosing
  faith in judiciary! One can find well educated people(if
  education is important) resorting to extremism/rebellion!
  Discrimination, deprivation, disparity are all leading to
  extremism!! Governance should incorporate all attributes
  that give rise to the above to be evened out!
    


       On Sunday, 31 May
  2015 7:50 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
      

    Dear
  Sir,Till date our Constitution has not define the
  word Citizen of India.Citizenship Act,1955 has
  not yet been accepted by Government of India and the State
  Governments.The judges are not law
  makers.How many people of this country has signed
  the documents called Citizen of India format designed by
 the
  bureaucracy.It was proposed in the year
  2004.Therefore please do not blame the
  judiciary. 

  Warm regards,
     Rakshpal
  Abrol
  Consumer Activist
  9820203154
  rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

        
  From: PANDIAN
  Paulraj <truevalue_pandian@Yahoo.com>

  To: vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com

  Cc: Gopalkrishnan iyer
  <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>;
  Dr. NC Jain <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
  indiaresists@lists.riseup.net;
  Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>;
  Janshakti <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>;
  Barkha Dutt <barkha@ndtv.com>

   Sent: Saturday, 30 May
  2015 10:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
  WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  ALARMING
    
  Remember. In India LAW simply means
       Leave Accused if Wealthy.
  It does not stop with actors, politicians
  bureaucrats and the like. It is not the mistake
  of the judges. Advocates should not take up cases they
 know
  to be unjust or illegal. Finding a way to somehow save
 their
  client is not fair. They no doubt save the client; but in
  that process ruin the moral fibre of the nation. The only
  way a common man can show his displeasure is by social
  boycott. If you do not agree with the let away culprit,
  don't see his movies for ever; or don't buy the
  product the cricketer endorses ; or don't vote for the
  party the politicians belong to. Ganga may not be cleaner
 by
  then. The country will become cleaner.

  Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:

  >In this context,
  the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a
  "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be
  questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises:
 that
  if the "judge"  even in an absurd order cannot be
  questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say,
  "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit
  rape" or "burn down the house" can also not
  be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge"
  who passes an order, say, "I hereby sack the President
  of India" or "The parliament stands
  dissolved" be not brought to book ?
  >The judges need to ponder the deleterious
  effects on the nation of their virtually complete
  accountability.
  >
  >Regards,
  >
  >--------------------------------------------
  >On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
  >
  > Subject:
  Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
  > To:
  "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>,
  "Dr. NC Jain" <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>,
  "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
  <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>,
  "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
  <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
  >
  > The system was
  > evolved taking into consideration of
  British
  > laws.Most of the Advocates
  follow
  > the same and being influenced
  the judges pass the
  > order.The
  > Justice is never delivered it is
  purchased.  
  > Warm regards,   
  > Rakshpal Abrol
  >
  Consumer Activist
  > 9820203154
  > rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
  >
  >      
  >  From: Gopalkrishnan
  >
  iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  >
  > To: Dr. NC Jain
  > <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
  > "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
  > <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
  > "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
  > <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>

  >  Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
  > 2015 3:22 PM
  > 
  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
  > WHEN PEOPLE LOSE
  FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  > ALARMING
  >   
  > There is
  > no doubt
  left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
  > not free from influence from powers that
  be, money power and
  > high profile
  advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
  > other seeng Salman khan virtually a free
  man within hours
  > despite being
  convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
  > is maneovreable! Harish Salve's
  presense in the court in
  > a way subdued
  the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
  > deliberating whether Salman is a culprit
  or not are  not at
  > all knowing the law
  on which they argued for 13 years! 
  >
  Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite!  Can
  a
  > common man avail the services of
  Salve or the like of him
  > and if so at
  what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
  > for months for an appontment where as all
  appointments were
  > cancelled and flew
  down in Salmans case!!I should
  > say the
  justice system also is influenced by status of
  > people involved!
  >
  > Insider
  > trader Gupta
  in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
  > sentence followed in the same pace whereas
  Harshad
  > Mehta's case is far from
  being over though the accused
  > passed
  away long back!
  > I think the jury
  system
  > could speed up the justice
  system with least chance of a
  > faulty
  delivery of justice
  >
  > 
  >
  >
  >   
  >
  >   On Monday, 18 May
  2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
  > NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
  >    
  >
  >  Dear
  > sir    
  > Such instances are very common.As everone
  is aware, justice
  > delayed is justice
  denied and In India, it is a common
  >
  practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
  > noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4
  years and cic is
  > not replying/taking
  any action on it. In short,India is free
  > but not Indians.We have to struggle to
  make Indians free.
  > Dr
  > N C Jain 
  >
  >
  >      On Friday,
  May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
  > Vijay Kapoor
  <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
  >    
  >
  >  In
  > theory there
  appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
  > lower courts. But things are entirely
  different in
  > practice.
  > I cite a couple of my own
  > experiences:
  >
  > 1.  I filed a
  >
  consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
  > builder of Goa in the State Consumer
  court. The
  > "president judge",
  one Mr. Nelson Britto,
  > apparently held
  the case in my favour because he granted me
  > penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the
  builder. But look
  > at the sheer
  malafides of the "judge" and his
  > "order", who apparently imposed
  the penalty as a
  > smokescreen to shield
  AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
  >
  His entire order does not mention a single word as to why
  he
  > imposed the penalty, and whether the
  builder was in
  > deficency, in unfair
  trade practices, and providing
  >
  hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has
  lied
  > under oath and put a false
  document said to be the NOC from
  > navy
  in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
  > cross-examination under oath in that he
  destroyed evidence;
  > that he never
  obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
  > brochure placed on record by me was his
  brochure; that he
  > contravened
  >  Registration Act; that he
  > contravened The Transfer of Property Act
  by not disclosing
  > material defects in
  the property; etc. and so on. There is a
  > contravention of at least half a dozen
  major Acts and laws
  > of the land. But
  the "judge" does not discuss any
  > of the law points involved and does not
  utter a single word
  > about all those.
  Finally to cap it all the "judge"
  > ignores the prayers made by me to either
  give market value
  > (with written
  quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
  > similar flat in nearby locality. Instead
  he gives interest @
  > 15%, which means a
  loss in capital value to me of over 10
  >
  lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain
  to
  > the industrialist.
  >
  > 2.  In
  > another case in the same court the
  "judge", one
  > Mr.
  Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
  > college, ignores all evidence on record
  and several points
  > of law raised: Can
  the opposite party submissions that are
  >
  not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
  > the court; Can a piece of paper without an
  Invoice Number /
  > Tax registration,
  taxes be a valid "Invoice /
  >
  Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in
  not
  > good faith be entertained; when
  there are 6 different
  > agreements
  between the parties and with different dates and
  > terms & conditions, can the matter be
  properly decided
  > without first deciding
  which of the agreements is the valid
  >
  one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
  > evidence placed on record, can the
  "judge"
  > unilaterally decide
  differently that too without any
  >
  reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10
  SC
  > judgments on different subjects; can
  the "judge"
  > overrule the law
  and the intent to
  >  the
  > parliment; can the "judge" order
  costs when
  > several issues of law have
  been raised; etc. The appeal
  > before the
  National Commission was the same  .......
  > non-appreciation of evidence on record and
  several  law
  > points raised. At this
  point as I came down with health
  >
  problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
  >
  > There are many fine
  judges (I
  > recall Justices Mr. Sachar
  and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
  > my PF
  case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
  > lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the
  justice in Delhi
  > HC, who put his foot
  down by telling the govt judges to get
  >
  on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was
  quaterly
  > disclosure of results by
  corporates, and also certain
  > provisins
  for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
  > all-persuasive, and is not limited to the
  judiciary only. As
  > the SC itself has
  said that the judges are part of the same
  > society. One hopes that one encounters the
  good judges,
  > babus, netas, of which
  there are many.
  >
  >
  There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
  > REFORM. The elections, administration,
  judiciary, police,
  > education, health,
  ... just everything.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  >
  >
  --------------------------------------------
  > On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
  > wrote:
  >
  >  Subject: Re:
  >
  [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
  CONSEQUENCES
  > CAN BE ALARMING
  >  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  >  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
  > 
  >  Shri
  Venkataraman may
  >  kindly note that to
  err is human.Judges also
  > may err-of
  >  course not with the intention to
  > err.The error may be on a
  >  question of law
  > or
  on a guestion of fact.To take care of
  >

  > such situations,law enables affected
  party to file
  >  Appeal,Review,Revision
  etc.Do you wantthe
  > Appellate Court
  to
  >  confirm the trial court
  > judgement in all cases and thereby
  >  make the
  > people to
  have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
  >  Appellate Courts shall patiently hear
  the
  > matter and give
  >  judgements with out fear or
  > favour.They need not worry about
  >  the
  > comments that
  may be made by persons like
  >
  > Shri.Venkataraman.
  > 
  If the decision of
  > Mr.Justice
  Kumaraswamy of
  >  the Hon'ble
  > Karnataka High Court is based on
  erroneous
  >
  >
  calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
  > total
  >  assets and
  total income and if the
  > mismatch is
  really more
  >  than 10% as is
  > being propogated by some opposition
  leaders
  >
  >  in
  Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be
  >  sufficient for the Judge to  correct
  the
  > error.
  >  The
  allegation was that since
  > 
  Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was
  > prolonged for
  >  more
  than a decade.On her
  > coviction,when the
  Bail matter
  >  came up
  > before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail
  was
  >  granted,a consequence of which is
  expeditious
  > disposal  of
  >  the Appeal which resulted in
  > quick disposal of the
  >  Appeal.The economic
  >
  status of the party concerned has
  > 
  nothing
  > to do with the case.
  >  A resourceful /wealthy
  > party may be able
  > 
  to engage a team of legal
  > experts and
  may be able to come
  >  out
  > successful by taking advantage of the
  loopholes in law.A
  >  'daridra
  narayana' may have to depend
  > on a
  lawyer
  >  provided by Court or
   Legal
  > Services Authority who may
   or
  >  may not be
  >
  good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
  >  this matter ,economically deprived
  persons are
  > in a dis
  >  advantageous position.Bail is the
  > Rule and Jail is an
  > 
  exception. Poor people
  > are not capable
  of engaging a lawyer
  >  and in
  > cases that are not very serious,amicus
  curie is not
  >  appointed by court for
  accused and hence they
  > remain in
  jail
  >  for days, months and  at
  > times years.
  >  I
  shall cite a case
  > (Mrs.Indirra
  Gandhi)
  >  where a High Court
  > 's verdict was set aside by the
  >  Supreme
  > Court,not
  because the High Court was wrong but
  > 
  because the Parliament amended the law with
  > retrospective
  > 
  effect.Incurring expenses by
  > a
  candidate above the cut off
  >  limit was
  an
  > electoral malpractice even if the
  amount is
  >
  > spent
  by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
  >  Congress spent in excess of the cut
  off
  > amount.During
  >  emergency, law was amended
  > with retrospective effect
  >  stipulating that
  >
  money spent by political parties shall not
  >
  > be counted to
  calculate the cut off amount .Both the
  >  decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
  >  Venkataraman might not have uttered a
  word
  > had
  > 
  Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
  >
  Corruption  Act
  >  amended with
  retrospective
  > effect exempting
  MPs,MLAs,MLCs
  >  and Central
  > and State Ministers from the per view
  of the
  >  Prevention of Corruption
   Act.I appreciate Ms
  > Jayalalitha
  >  for fighting the case by filing
  > Appeal engaging ,of course
  >  the best legal
  >
  brain instead of managing to  amend the
  >
  > Prevention of
  Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi
  > and
  >  also the
  DMK P.Mohana
  >
  >
  Chandran
  >  On Wed, May 13, 2015
  >  at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >  Dear Sir,
  >
  > If some one is  Punished by a Court, it
  does not
  >  mean Judiciary  is right .
  There are many
  > cases  pending
  >  Judgement  in a number of
  > Courts in india, the two recently
  >  came up
  > for public
  attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
  >  Mr Salman Khan
  > 
  Every one
  > knows that  Ms
  Jayalalitha's case
  >  is
  > one related to Politics and it is natural,
  every one
  >  wanted her to be punished[
  her opponents]. 
  > She has been an
  >  actress for a long time and
  > her back ground is too good to
  >  be
  > considered that
  she amassed wealth only by political
  > 
  means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not
  > necessarily
  >  decide
  the final outcome. Law
  > provides more
  options  till
  >  Supreme Court.
  > If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt
  should
  >  initiate action to file a suit
  in Supreme
  > Court. None
  >  prevented and no one should
  > close this option. Counting
  >  dresses ,
  > chappals
  and other house hold articles for
  >
  >  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha
  looks
  >  odd.
  >  In
  the case of Ms Salman
  > Khan, it can
  be
  >  appreciated that this case
  > is not of national importance.
  >  Daily such
  > run over
  cases happen in India and abroad and
  > 
  even yesterday three women were killed under
  > the wheels of a
  > 
  police vehicle. It is an
  > accident can
  be due to
  >  negligence.Here too,
  > the accused has options to
  >  appeal in higher
  >
  court to get justice. Bail was granted as
  >
  > he is an actor and
  is working in number of FILMS. All get
  >  affected. Granting bail , fast or slow
  cannot
  > be questioned.
  >  Definitely, prominent people
  > get things done fast and for
  >  others, it
  > takes
  time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
  >  things in India.  
  > 
  >  raghavan rn
  > 
  >
  >
  >  From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
  >  Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
  >  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  >  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE
  FAITH
  > IN JUDICIARY ,
  >  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  >
  ALARMING
  > 
  >  One
  more case of
  > SATYAM   Ramblings Raju.
  The fraud is
  >  a
  >
  open book to every one. He got bail with in a
  >  month. 
  >  B.
  VENKAT RAO
  >  Sent from my iPhone
  >  On
  > 12-May-2015, at
  3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  > 
  >
  > Judiciary in India
  has
  >  made a mockery of
  > themselves . They know that there is
   no
  >
  > one in the
  governing system who can punish them for all
  > the
  >  wrongs. Now
  with the judgement made in
  > favour of
  >  Jayalalitha clearly shows that
  > how our judiciary has been
  >  working . The
  >
  presenting officers and the defence
  >
  >  advocates have been playing games with
  each other .At
  >  least punish out off
   those who have been
  > proved to be
  >  wrong .
  >  Same
  > thing happened with the case of Salman
  >
  > Khan.

  >  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
  > Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  >  To
  >
  > India Against
  Corruption
  > 
  >
  >
  > 
  >
  >
                                                            
  >      WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN
  JUDICIARY
  >  , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  ALARMING
  > 
  > 
  >  After
  > several
  years
  >  of trial in a killing case,
  > an actor was held guilty by the
  >  court and
  > jail
  term
  >  awarded. But, he got bail in
  a
  > few hours 
  > 
  from another judge. After
  > several years
  of trial in a
  >  corruption
  > case, a
  >  Chief
  Minister was found guilty and
  > awarded
  jail term and
  >  hefty fine. But,
  >  after a few months, a higher court
  judge
  > called her innocent
  >  and acquitted
  > 
  everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
  > which judge is
  > 
  right and which judge
  >  is wrong.
  > 
  >
  > While rich
  > 
  politicians and cinema actors
  > seem to
  have the last laugh,
  >  there are
  > thousands
  >  of
  dharidhranarayanas in India
  > who stay in
  jail for lesser
  >  crime for
  > several
  >  years
  without being heard. Are they
  > not as
  much Indians as
  >  the cinema actor
  >  driving his car on a pavement dweller
  and rich
  > politician
  >  indulging in corrupt
  >  practices ? Are we settling down for
  this sort
  > of democracy
  >  in India ?
  >
  >
  >  An average common
  man
  >  in
  > India,
  millions of whom do not have any political
  >  affiliation have already
  >  lost
  > faith in the
  politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
  >  has been thinking that
  >  the
  > judiciary is
  ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
  >  But, when judiciary
  >  give
  > judgements
  with so much of contradiction between one
  >  judge and the other
  >  and
  >  providing
   bail and relief
  >  to the
  > convicted actor and
  > 
  politicians with
  >  great speed and
  with
  >   many judges in
  > India already having been
  >  accused of
  > corrupt
  practices in the past, people 
  >
  > tend to develop doubts about judiciary
  >
  > too.
  > 
  >  Now, what can
  a
  >  common man do , if he loses faith
  in
  > politicians in power,
  >  bureaucrats and
  > 
  judges? It is alarming to think about such
  > situation and the
  > 
  possibilities.
  >  N.S.Venkataraman
  > 
  > 
  > 
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Re: [IAC#RG] FW: FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

If any body wants to see my cases, Firefox is not working properly ,After clicking to down load may tabs pops up/. But document do no open.
You may visit web of High Court of Gujarat. Case status see link. Type all cases , of Ltigant Name Dipakkumar Jayantilal Shah Year starting from 1995 to 2015. You may find all list. How court behaved may be seen. Cruelty of Justice only.
Shah D J



On Friday, 12 June 2015 2:31 PM, PROMILA SOOD <promilasood53@gmail.com> wrote:


I wonder if any of the functionaries are acting responsibly and absence of the same is weakening the institutions
On 11 Jun 2015 22:06, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
11/6/15

Sorry to say, I have not found Mr. Manchanda,s article very informative on the appointment of CVC. Mr. Prashant Bhusan had voiced his objection from the day the name of the new CVC was declared  as one of the probables. Now inspite of that objection and by some others Mr. Sharma has been appointed as the new CVC.
2. If it is not the judiciary who calls the shots and sets the Rules then who does? Does he mean the Parliament or the executive as far as the administration of justice is concerned.
3. It is not only the CJI,s refusal to participate in delibrations in the SC  but also the trend of exchanges between the AG and the judges on the issue of  Collegium VS Judicial appointment Commission.




Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 10:30:16 +0530
From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Mr Manchanda

Either you are taking an ostrich like approach or are trying to defend the indefensible! The judiciary is by far the worst organ of our constitution and not only is it spoiled but it has spoiled  the other organs too. Just note the decision of the then CJI K G Balakrishnan in the judges assets case. By what stretch of imagination can anybody say that the office of the CJI is court of purview of the RTI Act? And then look at how the apex court, specifically its CJ, is trying to subvert the Judges Appointment Commission!

ravi

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rakesh Manchanda <rakeshmanchanda65@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:20 AM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The question is neither of the huge population nor of the limited resources. The first question is whether any body is interested either judges or the politicians or academicians interested in doing justice to the people? If so, they would have found a way out. Is there any other country where the final judgment is delivered after fifty or more years? And can it be called a justice? In India justice has disappeared a long back.

V. S. Sardesai 



On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 8:36 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:





From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:39:54 +0530

01/01/15
My intention was not to compare the justice delivery in the two countries.
Our system is based on the british model ( Common Law). They made the laws as an imperial power to govern India and we adopted them  and have continued . But the population today is 5 times and the infrastructure has not kept pace.Let us say it is the democratic system. But if you look around how will you judge the success or failure of this system?The next democratic country with large population is US Where population is only 1/5 of India and infrastructure facilities are huge.
In the Muslim countries they follow the Shariat laws which are short and swift.
In the Communist countries-say China with comparable population and Russia the justice delivery system is swift not with 4/5 appeals from Trial court to Supreme Court.
So the question is with such a huge [population and limited resources,what should be the system to ensure timely,corrution free justice delivery ?
regds

Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 08:06:55 +0000
From: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Comparisons need be made only with equals. I support the views made here showing the folly of comparisons just for the sake of it. Thanks and regards.
          Dr.M.C.George, Advocate, INFAM - (Indian Farmers Movement) National Trustee.



On Saturday, 30 May 2015 9:23 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


You are off the track in comparing the population to judge ratio of the US and India. How does the population matter when more than 80 pc of them are and can only think about where their next meal comes from? With 1/5 our population the number of cases filed is far greater in the US. The figures I had noted from a powerpoint presentation attributed to Adv KTS Tulsi are:  

CASES FILED IN ONE YEAR (1999):INDIA : 13.6 Million (1,36,68,073) cases; USA: 93.81 Million cases

DOCKET'S PER JUDGE: INDIA : 987 per Judge; USA: 3235 per Judge

regards n bw

ravi

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
28/5/15
Dispensing justice to more than 1.2 billion people under the colonial system which has continued after independence
has reached a stage of near collapse. Next democracy in terms of population is US with only 1/5 population and 5 times the judges ratio compared to India.


From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: beniwalg@ymail.com
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:31:18 +0530

Dt.16/5/15

Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to say that we are being unduly harsh on the judges forgetting the limitations under which they have to work.
Advocates are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay and corruption?
Police are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay, manipulation and corruption?
Govt. is a part of the judicial system as most of the cases of monetary nature-incometax, Sales tax, Excise, financial frauds originate from them and they keep on going into appeals in a routine manner-just clogging the judicial system.
We ourselves have become a litigant nation- and rush  to courts at the earliest opportunity without exhausting alternative
redressal mechanism. marital disputes, property disputes, inheritance and domestic violence fall into this catagory.
For infrastructure facilities in courts-the judiciary depends on the executive for funds. See the budget allocation for this.
The laws are made by the legislature. See the competence of the legislators for enacting laws which are clear, concise and not open to different interpretations. The judiciary has to act under that legal system.
For redresal of grievances against the Govt.,the judiciary developed the concept of Public litigation(PIL). You have to see the Nos of PILs being filed in Superior courts-many of them frivolous in nature and how much time the courts have to devote on the PILs
To my mind the main culprit is the Govt. who have been promising more that what they can deliver to the people,leading to frustration and sense of hopelessness.
JKGaur


Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:54:46 +0000
From: beniwalg@ymail.com
To: girinder_singh@yahoo.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


Sir, judges also decide cases on Give and Take  basis.





On Friday, 15 May 2015 1:08 AM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

Sent from my iPhone

On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1@gmail.com> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Dear friends
        Now Judges are acting as super powers and want to be left free from any sort of even discussion about their duties and the real situation existing today. They select ,they appoint, they make or prepare rules by themselves with nobodyelse to evaluate or asses. Pretty odd situation in a democratic setup with seperate legislatures for making laws and an executive to implement with a judiciary to interpret and decide. All extrajudicial bodies like Tribunals, Commissions ect. which are plum posts after retirement will render the system most ineffective and corrupt. Moreover these extra bodies are usless waste of resources. 
           Anyway the system of selection and appointment under one agency will leave the judiciary as useless and corrupt entity.
Dr.M.C,George, Advocate,INFAM-IndianFarmersMovement- National Trustee.



On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 7:13 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:


9/6/15

Dear Sirs,
We are here criticising judiciary not someone( as a person). And judiciary as an institution spread from NewDelhi(the seat of power) to small towns  throughout the length and breadth of the country, has failed to deliver timely justice.Please think of crores of cases pending from a few years to a few decades and each case has at least two litigants-their emotions,frustrations and finances. Before independence this system was prevailing only where British
administered territories. There were more than 565 States which were outside this system.
2. What makes you think that many of us are not living by the standards of honesty, truthfulness and other desirable
attributes  that you have mentioned. But these are all duties, and we are living on the diet of rights not duties.Besides the fundamental rights in the constitution, the latest addition is human rights and you can cover anything under the umrella of human rights. Regds   

Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 11:44:01 +0530
From: r.dua1234@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


These planks are good for winning votes but in the end wat matters is dat 'every Indian should have food on their plates.'
But this to salute ur good sentiment shri nag ji.
Wish this cld be true.
And Shri Malhotra ji has said right that population control is most imp in today's scenario of limited resources.
Our Respected Judiciary set the guidelines but it is for us to put it in practice.
Today in the papers that Delhi govt has allowed pv test on rape victims inspite of Court Guidelines.
On 8 Jun 2015 07:56, "Hirak Nag" <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The statement 'When people lose faith in (our) judiciary, consequences can be alarming' is highlighting another serious concern supposedly afflicting our governance, but is this not another reflection on our thinking ? We must first give serious thought to our own deficient thinking and actions, each and every one of us, before shooting off our mouths to blame 'someone' else. Do right, do good, don't lie, don't cheat, and hear I would like to repeat my advise, ' Care for your sisters, live clean, think honest, do honest.' Only those who think honest and do honest can critisize misdemeanours.--------Hirak Nag.
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On Sat, 6/6/15, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
 To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>, "R N Goil" <rngoil@yahoo.com>
 Date: Saturday, 6 June, 2015, 12:10 AM

 After 1977, no law maker has been
 able to gather courage even to mention about family planning
 in any forum - probably not even in private. Production
 level being much higher in lower income groups, the number
 of people below poverty line keeps on  increasing,
 government being forced to control the figure by
 manupulating the threshold level of Poverty..

 R.N.Malhotra

 --------------------------------------------
 On Fri, 6/5/15, R N Goil <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
 CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
  To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
 <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  Date: Friday, June 5, 2015, 11:36 AM

  Let us
  have the courage to follow 1 child norm like China for 20
  years to solve most of our ills. RN
  Goil

    



      On Friday, 5 June 2015 1:54 AM,
 Gaur J K
  <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
 wrote:
  
    

  

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  A PIL was filed in the Suprme Court
  in 2008 seeking speedy justice by some NGOs. After a
 period
  of 6 years the Court has  summarily disposed of the
  petition in December 2014.
  To clear the
  mounting backlog of cases in different courts and to
 ensure
  that the backlog does not reappear a number of submissions
  were made for increasing the strength of the judges,
 filling
  up of the existing vacancies in subordinate courts, create
  addl. infrastructure facilities including greater
  transparency and accountability. The court observed that
 the
  judiciary has alrrady considered most of the issues raised
  in the petition indepndently and finally. Janhit Manch(
 Mr.
  Rayani) is one of the petitioners.So where is the
  hope for improvement in the justice delivery
  system?JKGaur
  Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015
  10:15:55 +0530
  From: deegees11@gmail.com
  To: trident142@yahoo.co.in
  CC:
  truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com;
 iyer_ga@yahoo.com;
  rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in;
 vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com;
  j_nc2000@yahoo.com;
 indiaresists@lists.riseup.net;
  Janshakti@yahoogroups.com;
 barkha@ndtv.com
  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN
  JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

  IAC was started by Kejriwal and
  now it has been hijacked by BJP morons.
  On 1 June 2015 at 09:47,
  capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
  its We the People
  who have to oversee the judges through live telecast of
  court proceedings.
  presently applicable colonial rules IPC/CrPC  
  the judges have too much discretion, as was designed for
  Britishers. must be harshly limited.
  since the judges are also
  servants of We the People.   
  if we see how law is made then we must also
  see how that law is applied.  therefore I  have been
  requesting President and  CJI  to start live telecast of
  SC  proceedings. only dishonest judges will object.

  rgds.
  beniwal 


       On Sunday, 31 May
  2015 9:12 PM, PANDIAN Paulraj <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
      

   It is NOT our intention to
  blame any one or any individual or the system. WE ARE
  CONFUSED. One judge says GUILTY. The same case, same
  accused, same arguments, another more experienced, more
  knowledgeable judge is saying NOT GUILTY. Who is wrong and
  who is right? It can not be brushed aside as awn
 aberration.
  Both are presenting 800 plus pages of reasoning to
  substantiate their conclusions. Obviously one of them is
  wrong. I am personally scared when my case comes up for
  judgment who will try me and with what result? Added to it
  is the immunity granted to the judiciary by itself. But
 then
  who will oversee the judiciary? The Politicians? That is
 the
  joke of the millennium. Regards.

  Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>
  wrote:

  Simply
  put, naxalism, terrorism etc. are the offshoots of loosing
  faith in judiciary! One can find well educated people(if
  education is important) resorting to extremism/rebellion!
  Discrimination, deprivation, disparity are all leading to
  extremism!! Governance should incorporate all attributes
  that give rise to the above to be evened out!
    


       On Sunday, 31 May
  2015 7:50 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
      

    Dear
  Sir,Till date our Constitution has not define the
  word Citizen of India.Citizenship Act,1955 has
  not yet been accepted by Government of India and the State
  Governments.The judges are not law
  makers.How many people of this country has signed
  the documents called Citizen of India format designed by
 the
  bureaucracy.It was proposed in the year
  2004.Therefore please do not blame the
  judiciary. 

  Warm regards,
     Rakshpal
  Abrol
  Consumer Activist
  9820203154
  rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

        
  From: PANDIAN
  Paulraj <truevalue_pandian@Yahoo.com>

  To: vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com

  Cc: Gopalkrishnan iyer
  <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>;
  Dr. NC Jain <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
  indiaresists@lists.riseup.net;
  Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>;
  Janshakti <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>;
  Barkha Dutt <barkha@ndtv.com>

   Sent: Saturday, 30 May
  2015 10:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
  WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  ALARMING
    
  Remember. In India LAW simply means
       Leave Accused if Wealthy.
  It does not stop with actors, politicians
  bureaucrats and the like. It is not the mistake
  of the judges. Advocates should not take up cases they
 know
  to be unjust or illegal. Finding a way to somehow save
 their
  client is not fair. They no doubt save the client; but in
  that process ruin the moral fibre of the nation. The only
  way a common man can show his displeasure is by social
  boycott. If you do not agree with the let away culprit,
  don't see his movies for ever; or don't buy the
  product the cricketer endorses ; or don't vote for the
  party the politicians belong to. Ganga may not be cleaner
 by
  then. The country will become cleaner.

  Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:

  >In this context,
  the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a
  "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be
  questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises:
 that
  if the "judge"  even in an absurd order cannot be
  questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say,
  "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit
  rape" or "burn down the house" can also not
  be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge"
  who passes an order, say, "I hereby sack the President
  of India" or "The parliament stands
  dissolved" be not brought to book ?
  >The judges need to ponder the deleterious
  effects on the nation of their virtually complete
  accountability.
  >
  >Regards,
  >
  >--------------------------------------------
  >On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
  wrote:
  >
  > Subject:
  Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
  > To:
  "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>,
  "Dr. NC Jain" <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>,
  "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
  <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>,
  "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
  <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
  >
  > The system was
  > evolved taking into consideration of
  British
  > laws.Most of the Advocates
  follow
  > the same and being influenced
  the judges pass the
  > order.The
  > Justice is never delivered it is
  purchased.  
  > Warm regards,   
  > Rakshpal Abrol
  >
  Consumer Activist
  > 9820203154
  > rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
  >
  >      
  >  From: Gopalkrishnan
  >
  iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  >
  > To: Dr. NC Jain
  > <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
  > "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
  > <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
  > "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
  > <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>

  >  Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
  > 2015 3:22 PM
  > 
  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
  > WHEN PEOPLE LOSE
  FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  > ALARMING
  >   
  > There is
  > no doubt
  left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
  > not free from influence from powers that
  be, money power and
  > high profile
  advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
  > other seeng Salman khan virtually a free
  man within hours
  > despite being
  convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
  > is maneovreable! Harish Salve's
  presense in the court in
  > a way subdued
  the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
  > deliberating whether Salman is a culprit
  or not are  not at
  > all knowing the law
  on which they argued for 13 years! 
  >
  Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite!  Can
  a
  > common man avail the services of
  Salve or the like of him
  > and if so at
  what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
  > for months for an appontment where as all
  appointments were
  > cancelled and flew
  down in Salmans case!!I should
  > say the
  justice system also is influenced by status of
  > people involved!
  >
  > Insider
  > trader Gupta
  in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
  > sentence followed in the same pace whereas
  Harshad
  > Mehta's case is far from
  being over though the accused
  > passed
  away long back!
  > I think the jury
  system
  > could speed up the justice
  system with least chance of a
  > faulty
  delivery of justice
  >
  > 
  >
  >
  >   
  >
  >   On Monday, 18 May
  2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
  > NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
  >    
  >
  >  Dear
  > sir    
  > Such instances are very common.As everone
  is aware, justice
  > delayed is justice
  denied and In India, it is a common
  >
  practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
  > noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4
  years and cic is
  > not replying/taking
  any action on it. In short,India is free
  > but not Indians.We have to struggle to
  make Indians free.
  > Dr
  > N C Jain 
  >
  >
  >      On Friday,
  May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
  > Vijay Kapoor
  <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  wrote:
  >    
  >
  >  In
  > theory there
  appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
  > lower courts. But things are entirely
  different in
  > practice.
  > I cite a couple of my own
  > experiences:
  >
  > 1.  I filed a
  >
  consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
  > builder of Goa in the State Consumer
  court. The
  > "president judge",
  one Mr. Nelson Britto,
  > apparently held
  the case in my favour because he granted me
  > penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the
  builder. But look
  > at the sheer
  malafides of the "judge" and his
  > "order", who apparently imposed
  the penalty as a
  > smokescreen to shield
  AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
  >
  His entire order does not mention a single word as to why
  he
  > imposed the penalty, and whether the
  builder was in
  > deficency, in unfair
  trade practices, and providing
  >
  hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has
  lied
  > under oath and put a false
  document said to be the NOC from
  > navy
  in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
  > cross-examination under oath in that he
  destroyed evidence;
  > that he never
  obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
  > brochure placed on record by me was his
  brochure; that he
  > contravened
  >  Registration Act; that he
  > contravened The Transfer of Property Act
  by not disclosing
  > material defects in
  the property; etc. and so on. There is a
  > contravention of at least half a dozen
  major Acts and laws
  > of the land. But
  the "judge" does not discuss any
  > of the law points involved and does not
  utter a single word
  > about all those.
  Finally to cap it all the "judge"
  > ignores the prayers made by me to either
  give market value
  > (with written
  quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
  > similar flat in nearby locality. Instead
  he gives interest @
  > 15%, which means a
  loss in capital value to me of over 10
  >
  lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain
  to
  > the industrialist.
  >
  > 2.  In
  > another case in the same court the
  "judge", one
  > Mr.
  Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
  > college, ignores all evidence on record
  and several points
  > of law raised: Can
  the opposite party submissions that are
  >
  not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
  > the court; Can a piece of paper without an
  Invoice Number /
  > Tax registration,
  taxes be a valid "Invoice /
  >
  Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in
  not
  > good faith be entertained; when
  there are 6 different
  > agreements
  between the parties and with different dates and
  > terms & conditions, can the matter be
  properly decided
  > without first deciding
  which of the agreements is the valid
  >
  one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
  > evidence placed on record, can the
  "judge"
  > unilaterally decide
  differently that too without any
  >
  reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10
  SC
  > judgments on different subjects; can
  the "judge"
  > overrule the law
  and the intent to
  >  the
  > parliment; can the "judge" order
  costs when
  > several issues of law have
  been raised; etc. The appeal
  > before the
  National Commission was the same  .......
  > non-appreciation of evidence on record and
  several  law
  > points raised. At this
  point as I came down with health
  >
  problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
  >
  > There are many fine
  judges (I
  > recall Justices Mr. Sachar
  and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
  > my PF
  case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
  > lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the
  justice in Delhi
  > HC, who put his foot
  down by telling the govt judges to get
  >
  on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was
  quaterly
  > disclosure of results by
  corporates, and also certain
  > provisins
  for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
  > all-persuasive, and is not limited to the
  judiciary only. As
  > the SC itself has
  said that the judges are part of the same
  > society. One hopes that one encounters the
  good judges,
  > babus, netas, of which
  there are many.
  >
  >
  There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
  > REFORM. The elections, administration,
  judiciary, police,
  > education, health,
  ... just everything.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  >
  >
  --------------------------------------------
  > On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
  > wrote:
  >
  >  Subject: Re:
  >
  [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
  CONSEQUENCES
  > CAN BE ALARMING
  >  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  >  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
  > 
  >  Shri
  Venkataraman may
  >  kindly note that to
  err is human.Judges also
  > may err-of
  >  course not with the intention to
  > err.The error may be on a
  >  question of law
  > or
  on a guestion of fact.To take care of
  >

  > such situations,law enables affected
  party to file
  >  Appeal,Review,Revision
  etc.Do you wantthe
  > Appellate Court
  to
  >  confirm the trial court
  > judgement in all cases and thereby
  >  make the
  > people to
  have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
  >  Appellate Courts shall patiently hear
  the
  > matter and give
  >  judgements with out fear or
  > favour.They need not worry about
  >  the
  > comments that
  may be made by persons like
  >
  > Shri.Venkataraman.
  > 
  If the decision of
  > Mr.Justice
  Kumaraswamy of
  >  the Hon'ble
  > Karnataka High Court is based on
  erroneous
  >
  >
  calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
  > total
  >  assets and
  total income and if the
  > mismatch is
  really more
  >  than 10% as is
  > being propogated by some opposition
  leaders
  >
  >  in
  Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be
  >  sufficient for the Judge to  correct
  the
  > error.
  >  The
  allegation was that since
  > 
  Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was
  > prolonged for
  >  more
  than a decade.On her
  > coviction,when the
  Bail matter
  >  came up
  > before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail
  was
  >  granted,a consequence of which is
  expeditious
  > disposal  of
  >  the Appeal which resulted in
  > quick disposal of the
  >  Appeal.The economic
  >
  status of the party concerned has
  > 
  nothing
  > to do with the case.
  >  A resourceful /wealthy
  > party may be able
  > 
  to engage a team of legal
  > experts and
  may be able to come
  >  out
  > successful by taking advantage of the
  loopholes in law.A
  >  'daridra
  narayana' may have to depend
  > on a
  lawyer
  >  provided by Court or
   Legal
  > Services Authority who may
   or
  >  may not be
  >
  good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
  >  this matter ,economically deprived
  persons are
  > in a dis
  >  advantageous position.Bail is the
  > Rule and Jail is an
  > 
  exception. Poor people
  > are not capable
  of engaging a lawyer
  >  and in
  > cases that are not very serious,amicus
  curie is not
  >  appointed by court for
  accused and hence they
  > remain in
  jail
  >  for days, months and  at
  > times years.
  >  I
  shall cite a case
  > (Mrs.Indirra
  Gandhi)
  >  where a High Court
  > 's verdict was set aside by the
  >  Supreme
  > Court,not
  because the High Court was wrong but
  > 
  because the Parliament amended the law with
  > retrospective
  > 
  effect.Incurring expenses by
  > a
  candidate above the cut off
  >  limit was
  an
  > electoral malpractice even if the
  amount is
  >
  > spent
  by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
  >  Congress spent in excess of the cut
  off
  > amount.During
  >  emergency, law was amended
  > with retrospective effect
  >  stipulating that
  >
  money spent by political parties shall not
  >
  > be counted to
  calculate the cut off amount .Both the
  >  decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
  >  Venkataraman might not have uttered a
  word
  > had
  > 
  Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
  >
  Corruption  Act
  >  amended with
  retrospective
  > effect exempting
  MPs,MLAs,MLCs
  >  and Central
  > and State Ministers from the per view
  of the
  >  Prevention of Corruption
   Act.I appreciate Ms
  > Jayalalitha
  >  for fighting the case by filing
  > Appeal engaging ,of course
  >  the best legal
  >
  brain instead of managing to  amend the
  >
  > Prevention of
  Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi
  > and
  >  also the
  DMK P.Mohana
  >
  >
  Chandran
  >  On Wed, May 13, 2015
  >  at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >  Dear Sir,
  >
  > If some one is  Punished by a Court, it
  does not
  >  mean Judiciary  is right .
  There are many
  > cases  pending
  >  Judgement  in a number of
  > Courts in india, the two recently
  >  came up
  > for public
  attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
  >  Mr Salman Khan
  > 
  Every one
  > knows that  Ms
  Jayalalitha's case
  >  is
  > one related to Politics and it is natural,
  every one
  >  wanted her to be punished[
  her opponents]. 
  > She has been an
  >  actress for a long time and
  > her back ground is too good to
  >  be
  > considered that
  she amassed wealth only by political
  > 
  means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not
  > necessarily
  >  decide
  the final outcome. Law
  > provides more
  options  till
  >  Supreme Court.
  > If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt
  should
  >  initiate action to file a suit
  in Supreme
  > Court. None
  >  prevented and no one should
  > close this option. Counting
  >  dresses ,
  > chappals
  and other house hold articles for
  >
  >  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha
  looks
  >  odd.
  >  In
  the case of Ms Salman
  > Khan, it can
  be
  >  appreciated that this case
  > is not of national importance.
  >  Daily such
  > run over
  cases happen in India and abroad and
  > 
  even yesterday three women were killed under
  > the wheels of a
  > 
  police vehicle. It is an
  > accident can
  be due to
  >  negligence.Here too,
  > the accused has options to
  >  appeal in higher
  >
  court to get justice. Bail was granted as
  >
  > he is an actor and
  is working in number of FILMS. All get
  >  affected. Granting bail , fast or slow
  cannot
  > be questioned.
  >  Definitely, prominent people
  > get things done fast and for
  >  others, it
  > takes
  time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
  >  things in India.  
  > 
  >  raghavan rn
  > 
  >
  >
  >  From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
  >  Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
  >  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  >  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE
  FAITH
  > IN JUDICIARY ,
  >  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  >
  ALARMING
  > 
  >  One
  more case of
  > SATYAM   Ramblings Raju.
  The fraud is
  >  a
  >
  open book to every one. He got bail with in a
  >  month. 
  >  B.
  VENKAT RAO
  >  Sent from my iPhone
  >  On
  > 12-May-2015, at
  3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  > 
  >
  > Judiciary in India
  has
  >  made a mockery of
  > themselves . They know that there is
   no
  >
  > one in the
  governing system who can punish them for all
  > the
  >  wrongs. Now
  with the judgement made in
  > favour of
  >  Jayalalitha clearly shows that
  > how our judiciary has been
  >  working . The
  >
  presenting officers and the defence
  >
  >  advocates have been playing games with
  each other .At
  >  least punish out off
   those who have been
  > proved to be
  >  wrong .
  >  Same
  > thing happened with the case of Salman
  >
  > Khan.
  >  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
  > Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
  >  wrote:
  >  To
  >
  > India Against
  Corruption
  > 
  >
  >
  > 
  >
  >
                                                            
  >      WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN
  JUDICIARY
  >  , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
  ALARMING
  > 
  > 
  >  After
  > several
  years
  >  of trial in a killing case,
  > an actor was held guilty by the
  >  court and
  > jail
  term
  >  awarded. But, he got bail in
  a
  > few hours 
  > 
  from another judge. After
  > several years
  of trial in a
  >  corruption
  > case, a
  >  Chief
  Minister was found guilty and
  > awarded
  jail term and
  >  hefty fine. But,
  >  after a few months, a higher court
  judge
  > called her innocent
  >  and acquitted
  > 
  everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
  > which judge is
  > 
  right and which judge
  >  is wrong.
  > 
  >
  > While rich
  > 
  politicians and cinema actors
  > seem to
  have the last laugh,
  >  there are
  > thousands
  >  of
  dharidhranarayanas in India
  > who stay in
  jail for lesser
  >  crime for
  > several
  >  years
  without being heard. Are they
  > not as
  much Indians as
  >  the cinema actor
  >  driving his car on a pavement dweller
  and rich
  > politician
  >  indulging in corrupt
  >  practices ? Are we settling down for
  this sort
  > of democracy
  >  in India ?
  >
  >
  >  An average common
  man
  >  in
  > India,
  millions of whom do not have any political
  >  affiliation have already
  >  lost
  > faith in the
  politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
  >  has been thinking that
  >  the
  > judiciary is
  ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
  >  But, when judiciary
  >  give
  > judgements
  with so much of contradiction between one
  >  judge and the other
  >  and
  >  providing
   bail and relief
  >  to the
  > convicted actor and
  > 
  politicians with
  >  great speed and
  with
  >   many judges in
  > India already having been
  >  accused of
  > corrupt
  practices in the past, people 
  >
  > tend to develop doubts about judiciary
  >
  > too.
  > 
  >  Now, what can
  a
  >  common man do , if he loses faith
  in
  > politicians in power,
  >  bureaucrats and
  > 
  judges? It is alarming to think about such
  > situation and the
  > 
  possibilities.
  >  N.S.Venkataraman
  > 
  > 
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