Saturday, June 15, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE­­: publication by India Against Corruption

I don't think there was any dissidence reflected in the piece. Nor was the release so simple.

It reflected a stance which can't be viewed as objective at all. It certainly was not discussing any rocket science.

As regards the three women, NDTV is yet to get to us!

By the way, Wikipedia has 2 dissidents reflected now sans Nehru.

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On 15-Jun-2013, at 13:36, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

"EXTREMIST" ???

So you want only normal / bland / safe / conventional views to exist. In your cloistered world the term "dissident" ought not to exist ?

Let us all collectively forget that Galileo held extremist views. So did Martin Luther, Jai Prakash Narain and Adolf Hitler.

In the warped "controlled" world of Wikipedia Jawaharlal Nehru (?) is one of only 4 "dissidents" India had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_dissidents

I suppose we should let only Arundhati Roy or Madhu Kishwar or Ranjana Kumari speak on behalf of Indian women - because these are the only faces we see jabbering away on NDTV.

SIFF's theme is simple - Gender specific laws like Domestic Violence Act and IPC 498A are being abused and should either be repealed or made gender neutral.

This is now substantially also IAC's position (arrived at after much internal debate and discussion) as IAC conveyed to the Justice Verma Committee. A copy of IAC's submission can be accessed at IAC's website.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Anamika R <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:
I had similar opinion as Vidyut on the piece from Mr Sarkar. I am not getting into details of what he has put forth, as Vidyut has already done so.

To even think of putting the problems women face with those of men is audacious, to say the least.

We must not encourage extremist views, even if we propagate freedom of press.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Mr.Roy, 
These individuals, mentioned in the e-mail have been bloated out of proportion by media and press coverage, with the help of foreign funds. They are blackmailing a weak government, who are out of touch with people and steeped in corruption in the name of economic reforms, which means openly helping the business lobby to exploit the common people.
Best wishes
Kalyan Ray

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Ambasta

Lets keep this focused on Admiral Ramdas.
This is NOT about the NAVY or the Services. Loyalty is good, blind loyalty is not.

Don't attack me - attack my facts.

His wife and daughter actively worked against the Indian nation (while he was in service). I suppose you know that.

His daughter Kavita, married to a Pakistani (although I am not reading anything into this by itself) was appointed as Ford Foundation representative in India. Ford Foundation was one of the major US sponsors of Team Arvind (as Digvijay Singh pointed out).

Virtually all India's top public servants send their children abroad (mainly USA) to study. This is where the corruption starts.

Admiral Ramdas was awarded the Magsaysay award (a known CIA front organisation) for the anti-national work of his family, which is involved with every anti-development activity one can think of offhand.

Ramdas is a Petitioner in virtually every Common Cause (ie. Prashant Bhushan and Kamini Jaiswal) PIL one can recall - V.K.Singh DOB, Coalgate, CAG appointment etc.

My point is very simple -

A Lokpal (Ombudsman) must be INDEPENDENT from the subject he is investigating.

Do you dispute the following simple facts (I can give 20 more) :-

1) Ramdas is a petitioner in Coalgate PIL filed through Prashant Bhushan

2) Ramdas is a petitioner in CAG PIL filed through Prashant Bhushan.

If so with what face can Ramdas be the "Lokpal" of AAP.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Vijoy Ambasta <vijoy.ambasta@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sarbjit Roy
I can see a malicious intention in you against Mr Kejriwal. I do not know how pure are you yourself to cast aspersion on any one and everyone or may you are in the habit of doing so. You seem to disbeleve even Adm Ramdas. BTW who do you believe, I do not know if u believe yrself.
You can do great if you avoid these activities of yours. You have very good intentions in you please exploit these for the benefit of the society and the country and yourself too.
I wish you good luck in your endeavours.
With regards
Vijoy Ambasta 



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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE­­: publication by India Against Corruption

It is not only a badly-written press release full of grammatical errors, but plain stupid.  IAC would do better to distance itself from such gibberish!
 
Rina Mukherji
 
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On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
The misogyny comes through when phrases like 'Are men expendable?' pop up. Nobody should be expendable. The piece requires some further pruning. However, in this particular case, I do not think abetment is appropriate. Abetment is to approve, encourage and help or support a plan of action. Did Suraj Pancholi want her to or in any way encourage her to commit suicide? Physical assault is a relatively minor offence in terms of punishment and is covered under a different Section of the IPC for which he should be punished if found guilty. If he did not get her to seek help, then he was negligent or uncaring like a lot of other men who want to get out of a relationship. Pavan Nair


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I find SIFF to be an extremely misogynist organization doing little for the rights of men and more of objection to any protection of women. For example, SIFF does zero about male on male abuse. Either sexual or otherwise. Within family or without.

In this latest episode, the idea that women threaten men as some kind of controlling gimmick is an extreme generalization. People prone to suicide are known to speak about it aloud. For example, in this case they are objecting to, Pancholi has confessed to assault on Jiah Khan. They were in a long term relationship and he was hardly unaware of previous attempt to suicide. What is the responsibility of a partner of a suicidal person? Is it the sole responsibility of the mother as SIFF appears to present? How is physical assault ignored so blatantly?

SIFF promotes several lies.

Some more from this article itself are that abatement to suicide is punishable only in India. This is bullshit. Provoking suicide is punishable almost worldwide - particularly when accompanied (which Pancholi himself has confessed to). Forget laws and such - let us talk of two high profile cases. The first the nurse to Kate Middleton who got pranked b the Australiam radio hosts and committed suicide. This is UK. The second is Dharun Ravi convicted for provoking the suicide of Clementi. This is US. Naming these, because with Indian connections, they may be easier to remember.

SIFF likes to present a false association between high rates of suicide between married men and abuse, when in fact, there is no proven corelation. For example, self-employed men are a far larger percentage of suicides than married men.

SIFF likes to focus on the idea that both men and women are abused without looking at the corresponding fact that in the abuse of both men and women, men are majority of the abusers. Women are NOT "equally" abusers as SIFF likes to present.

SIFF has been known to fake information, claims and work to oppose protection of women rather than protecting men as it superficially claims.

Finally, Jiah Khan did not merely threaten Pancholi with suicide, she accused him of assault - something he confesses to. She accuses him of ditching her after promises of marriage - something Pancholi's mom herself has implied to media. Lastly, a threat isn't a form of manipulation if the action warned about actually happens. Jiah Khan is dead.

And so on. There are several articles debunking this crap. The basic method is to look at the exception and call it the norm. It is almost like saying Sikhs are evil because a few must have attacked the others in 1984, while wholly ignoring the massacre itself.

This is not to say that there isn't misuse of laws or that women don't misuse rights or that men don't suffer. However, it is not logical or helpful to put blanket blame on women as being malicious by default. For example, this letter itself speaks of threats of suicide by women to helpless men - in the title itself, while going on to treat a man's suicide as genuine harassment - a view that is held against the credibility women, while it is cops who did not file the case - unknown gender, usually male. Particularly since our population ratio, crime statistics are completely opposite of this claim. The idea that dead, injured, and violated women are unimportant gets promoted when you have an organization that questions the credibility of most crime stats without ANY factual basis whatsoever.

I forget the link. This mythical helpline of theirs gets 98% calls related with men being abused, which how an article by this bunch claims 98% men are abused. I suppose if 98% people walking into a jeweller's shop buy jewellery, it is safe to say all Indians buy lakhs worth jewellery each, daily. Manufactured stats at its finest.

I object to this nonsense and highly misogynist propaganda given a platform and credibility on IAC. Either this crap is rejected, or I exit. Non negotiable. My presence holds a certain credibility on human rights related views. I refuse to grant it to a platform that openly promotes an organization working against women.

Vidyut


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC participants,

Swaup Sarkar's email to me, below, encapsulates the problem, ordinary people or groups with extra-ordinary views have in being heard in a controlled information society.

An information society where editorial content is openly negotiated  for advertising revenue (Zee TV and Naveen Jindal), or where semi-literate persons wielding power arbitrarily (Wikipedia refusing to acknowledge P Kalyanasundaram simply because his "truth" and Jimbo Wales's don't mesh).

When somebody approached me about 10 days back because he was harassed by a particularly abusive blogger (whose father incidentally is our valued contributor on spirituality and misgovernance) and a paid chamcha for Baba Ramdev, I advised the individual to use "open source cloud technology" to correct the information imbalance. Clouding works: for eg. Do a google search for "Baba Ramdev Coward" or "Sanjeev Sabhlok ass" to confirm that these links are #1 (or at least top 5) on Google.

So members can shortly start sending IAC their UNIQUE Press Releases and articles on politics, politicians, corruption, governance, events etc. with the IAC GUARANTEE that IAC will publish it if it meets IAC's standards (which we will inform members shortly).

PS: Save India Family Foundation's Press Release has been uploaded (after cleaning it up), but our sites are not operational (as yet) for public view.

Sarbajit

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Swarup Sarkar <swarup1972@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Subject: PRESS RELEASE­­:Just like SurajPancholi, thousands of helpless men get victimized with threats of Suicide from wives and girlfriends every year.
To: letters <letters@tribuneindia.com>

PRESS RELEASE­­:Just like SurajPancholi, thousands of helpless men get victimized with threats of Suicide from wives and girlfriends every year.


http://swarup1972.blogspot.in/2013/06/press-releasejust-like-surajpancholi.html

Based on media reports and alleged suicide note of Jiah Khan, 22-year old SurajPancholi was arrested and sent to jail for committing the crime of abatement to suicide. We have to understand that such laws do not exist in other countries in the world. Is suicide a solution to break-ups or separation? Jiah Khan attempted suicide 8 months ago and nothing was done to ensure that she does not repeat it. It is absurd to assume that all human relations will remain everlasting in this age of modernity.Finally, women are portrayed as victims, and men as abusers.


SurajPancholi is no alone. Thousands of men across India call SIFF helplines every week. Half of them have faced threats of suicide from their wives from time to time, if they do not meet her unreasonable demands. 


These men are scared. These abusive wives refuse to come to a counselor or a psychiatrist. When these young men plead to the parents of women abouttheir suicidal nature, parents do not take it seriously. These men cannot run away from home or file for divorce, fearing that this may prompt her to commit suicide. They suffer mental and physical abuse from possessive, controlling and suspicious wives. In fact, the society laughs at them as "Harassed Husbands" rather than helping the man and making arrangements for counseling of such women. Now, this phenomenon is getting extended to relationships before marriage as well. Being obsessively possessive and controlling is not a sign of love.

In short, India is sitting on a ticking time bomb as the society refuses to recognize the issue of threats of suicide inside marriages or in relationships. The society just behaves as if such incidents are rare or wishes that this problem will go away on its own. Then, it recommends revenge on the man if the woman commits suicide. Home Ministry (NCRB) data says, 24% of all suicides in India are due to Family Reasons and 3.4% due to failed love affairs.

Here are concerns of SIFF around this case:

1.      There are no checks and balances in this abetment to suicide law. SurajPancholi did not point gun at the head of Jiah Khan to force her commit suicide. Breaking-up with a girlfriend or being commitment-phobic is not a crime. As reported, Suraj did everything he could so that Jiah Khan can get some psychiatrist help, after she attempted suicide 8 months ago. One has to wonder, why Jiah's mother did not get her to a psychiatrist.

2.      This abetment to suicide law is very selectively applied by police. When a husband commits suicide blaming torture by wife and in-laws, the police refuse to arrest the woman and her parents. However, if a wife commits suicide, the husband and in-laws go to prison for 6 months to 2 years and are presumed guilty until proven innocent. Is the life of a man cheap? Males are the disposable gender.

3.      This abetment to suicide law and the social attitudes around it actually encourage suicides, by taking away the responsibility from a person to preserve his or her own life.

4.      Many possessive women are already abusing their husbands and boyfriends and threatening suicide, if he stands his ground and defends his dignity. Arrest of SurajPancholi will only increase such incidents rapidly. A man is completely helpless here.

5.      Jiah Khan attempted suicide 8 months back. It is reported that SurajPancholi was extremely concerned about her life after that incident and he called her mother to India and he even spoke to her for taking Jiah Khan to a psychiatrist. What more can a man do? He is helpless beyond a certain point, when a woman is obsessive and suicidal?

6.      Did Jiah Khan's mother Rabiya Amin take her to a psychiatrist or counselor, even after knowing about her attempt to commit suicide? As a mother, is not it her responsibility to ensure that her daughter handles stress and relationship troubles with help from mental health professionals?

7.      SurajPancholi and many men are victimized as the hatred against men or misandry in general is fueled by mass hysteria after incidents of rape. SIFF demands an end to large scale gender hate, stereotyping and the attitude to judge men harshly. If hate cannot solve communal or religious problems, then why it is assumed that blaming men and spreading hate against men will solve crimes against women?

8.      If a young man commits suicide and he leaves a suicide note, blaming his girlfriend for hurting him, cheating on him and abusing him, will the society show same fervor in demanding arrest of the girl involved? If not, then why men are victimized for the decision for a woman to commit suicide for break up?

Threat of suicide by man is actually defined as domestic violence under Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act (PWDVA), which is applicable to both marriages and live-in relationships. A woman can get a restraining order from a court against husband and boyfriend if they threaten suicide. However, the society and the women's organizations force Government to refuse to protect men from such forms of domestic violence. If they had, then SurajPancholi would have got a restraining order and would have legally forced Jiah Khan to get psychiatric help.

It's a slap on the face of Bollywood

Finally, Bollywood itself has indulged in spreading large scale hatred against men in recent times, with anti-male stereotyping without looking at issue in a more academic and meaningful manner. Many Bollywood actors are full of misandry. Now, one among them has committed suicide and a budding actor is in prison. It's a slap on Bollywood's face and its shows how disconnected Bollywood is from group realities in spite of its false claims to transform the society.

Many actors like Shah Rukh Khan to Amitabh Bacchan have publicly proclaimed, "I am ashamed of being a man". Shaming all men for the crimes of a few is nothing but anti-male hate or misandry. If misogyny is not healthy for the society, then how can misandry create a better society? We hope, Bollywood actor realize that in this grave hour.

In this particular case (below), a husband committed suicide blaming torture by wife and in-laws. The police did not arrest the wife and in-law even after hundreds of phone calls are made to Mumbai police by SIFF members. If the law of abetment to suicide is to save people from suicide, should not it be applied equally to both genders? Or is men's life cheaper in Indian society?


SFF Demands that:

1.      Government must bring checks and balances to all laws related to suicide, like abetment to suicide and dowry deaths.

2.      Government must make domestic violence law gender neutral and protect men from wives and girlfriends, who threaten suicide every now and then.

3.      Suicidal women must be forced to undergo counseling and treatment.

4.      All laws must be made gender neutral and both genders must be treated in a fair manner.

5.      The society must take steps to curb misandry. It is challenging, because it is too easy to blame and stereotype all men citing incidents of rape or other crimes against women. Such misandry will vitiate gender relations.

6.      It must be ensured that, men's rights to liberty, dignity and basic human rights are not snatched away in the name of empowering women.

According to National Crime Records Bureau, about 20,000 men and about 12, 000 women committed suicide in 2011 for "Family Reasons" alone.

From Save Indian Family Foundation
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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE­­: publication by India Against Corruption

"EXTREMIST" ???

So you want only normal / bland / safe / conventional views to exist. In your cloistered world the term "dissident" ought not to exist ?

Let us all collectively forget that Galileo held extremist views. So did Martin Luther, Jai Prakash Narain and Adolf Hitler.

In the warped "controlled" world of Wikipedia Jawaharlal Nehru (?) is one of only 4 "dissidents" India had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_dissidents

I suppose we should let only Arundhati Roy or Madhu Kishwar or Ranjana Kumari speak on behalf of Indian women - because these are the only faces we see jabbering away on NDTV.

SIFF's theme is simple - Gender specific laws like Domestic Violence Act and IPC 498A are being abused and should either be repealed or made gender neutral.

This is now substantially also IAC's position (arrived at after much internal debate and discussion) as IAC conveyed to the Justice Verma Committee. A copy of IAC's submission can be accessed at IAC's website.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Anamika R <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:
I had similar opinion as Vidyut on the piece from Mr Sarkar. I am not getting into details of what he has put forth, as Vidyut has already done so.

To even think of putting the problems women face with those of men is audacious, to say the least.

We must not encourage extremist views, even if we propagate freedom of press.

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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE­­: publication by India Against Corruption

I support Vidyut and Anamika on all that they have said about Swarup Sarkar. Sarkar and his SIFF do not deserve to be promoted under IAC. The problem with Sarkar and his SIFF is that they know nothing about the problems women face in this country; and keep tom-tomming on certain perceived threats to men.
 
SIFF and Sarkar do not perceive women as thinking individuals; and use the concept of family to blame women for breaking up homes. A home is made by two individuals who want to live together; and can never be forced. Even our scriptures say so!
Sarkar has been opposed to all progressive laws in India, on the ground that they are biased towards women. If Sarkar had dug a little deeper-either into the misuse of 498 A or the Jiah Khan episode, the shoddy misuse of women would be revealed as the real cause.
 
Not only is Sarkar misrepresenting facts, but trying to give the entire episode a twist. How can he ignore the fact that she was physically abused, and made to abort? She definitely needed help; and I blame her mother for having ignored her need for counseling. But Suraj Pancholi was certainly not above board.
 
Sarkar has no business giving his opinion on something he knows little about; and cares for even less.
 
 
Rina
 
 


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Anamika R <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:
I had similar opinion as Vidyut on the piece from Mr Sarkar. I am not getting into details of what he has put forth, as Vidyut has already done so.

To even think of putting the problems women face with those of men is audacious, to say the least.

We must not encourage extremist views, even if we propagate freedom of press.

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On 14-Jun-2013, at 16:51, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Vidyut

1) Lets confine ourselves to real issues.
  • a) The Indian media is NOT free.
  • b) Censorship is both overt and covert.
  • c) You have faced censorship and threats (as have I).
  • d) We remember your blogposts on Sailgate, and also "MoneyLife journalists getting threats" which got taken down / trimmed
  • I recall your support for Aseem Trivedi (who is, in my opinion, a pathetic cartoonist who well deserved to be censored / jailed).
So for IAC "Freedom of Speech and Expression" is a core issue. IAC wants it, IAC will fight for it, IAC will (to the availability of its resources and operational priorities) defend this principle / right.

2) The information dissemination platforms IAC is putting in place are not identified with IAC.

3)  Items / articles which are published by IAC are "cleaned up" to remove much of the bias / slant. Although we defend the right to have ALL sides of an issue published / circulated, IAC reserves the right to ULTIMATELY determine the balance / tone (we prefer though that the news contributors do so on their own).

It would be highly counter-productive if IAC platforms are perceived as biased / slanted / propagandist etc.

4) Ordinary people can, and do, have "extra-ordinary" views which deserve to get better known. That is what Democracy (and a Republic) requires to flourish.

5) IAC does not defend or support any other organisation or THEIR policies.

6) The trick is to find balance and consensus. We did that internally for IAC's submissions to Justice Verma Committee where your views (and also SIFFs) got incorporated. Balance is achieved when either "both sides are happy, or both sides are equally unhappy".

7) If anyone leaves the battlefield, it concedes a walkover to their opponents. IAC needs participation from all sides, rival persons, rival organisations, rival religions, everyone is welcome at IAC IFF the goal is common and the decencies are maintained.

8) EQUALLY, other organisations need IAC. Its a "win-win" for all concerned.

9) Oftentimes, people / organisations are FORCED to adopt extremist / absurd positions because they are not heard.

10)  Lets not jump our fences before seeing the entire picture. Lets see if experts like you and me can get scalable, resilient, credible info-channels in place even if the SIFFs of this reality eventually use it more than you or I do.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I find SIFF to be an extremely misogynist organization doing little for the rights of men and more of objection to any protection of women. For example, SIFF does zero about male on male abuse. Either sexual or otherwise. Within family or without.

In this latest episode, the idea that women threaten men as some kind of controlling gimmick is an extreme generalization. People prone to suicide are known to speak about it aloud. For example, in this case they are objecting to, Pancholi has confessed to assault on Jiah Khan. They were in a long term relationship and he was hardly unaware of previous attempt to suicide. What is the responsibility of a partner of a suicidal person? Is it the sole responsibility of the mother as SIFF appears to present? How is physical assault ignored so blatantly?

SIFF promotes several lies.

Some more from this article itself are that abatement to suicide is punishable only in India. This is bullshit. Provoking suicide is punishable almost worldwide - particularly when accompanied (which Pancholi himself has confessed to). Forget laws and such - let us talk of two high profile cases. The first the nurse to Kate Middleton who got pranked b the Australiam radio hosts and committed suicide. This is UK. The second is Dharun Ravi convicted for provoking the suicide of Clementi. This is US. Naming these, because with Indian connections, they may be easier to remember.

SIFF likes to present a false association between high rates of suicide between married men and abuse, when in fact, there is no proven corelation. For example, self-employed men are a far larger percentage of suicides than married men.

SIFF likes to focus on the idea that both men and women are abused without looking at the corresponding fact that in the abuse of both men and women, men are majority of the abusers. Women are NOT "equally" abusers as SIFF likes to present.

SIFF has been known to fake information, claims and work to oppose protection of women rather than protecting men as it superficially claims.

Finally, Jiah Khan did not merely threaten Pancholi with suicide, she accused him of assault - something he confesses to. She accuses him of ditching her after promises of marriage - something Pancholi's mom herself has implied to media. Lastly, a threat isn't a form of manipulation if the action warned about actually happens. Jiah Khan is dead.

And so on. There are several articles debunking this crap. The basic method is to look at the exception and call it the norm. It is almost like saying Sikhs are evil because a few must have attacked the others in 1984, while wholly ignoring the massacre itself.

This is not to say that there isn't misuse of laws or that women don't misuse rights or that men don't suffer. However, it is not logical or helpful to put blanket blame on women as being malicious by default. For example, this letter itself speaks of threats of suicide by women to helpless men - in the title itself, while going on to treat a man's suicide as genuine harassment - a view that is held against the credibility women, while it is cops who did not file the case - unknown gender, usually male. Particularly since our population ratio, crime statistics are completely opposite of this claim. The idea that dead, injured, and violated women are unimportant gets promoted when you have an organization that questions the credibility of most crime stats without ANY factual basis whatsoever.

I forget the link. This mythical helpline of theirs gets 98% calls related with men being abused, which how an article by this bunch claims 98% men are abused. I suppose if 98% people walking into a jeweller's shop buy jewellery, it is safe to say all Indians buy lakhs worth jewellery each, daily. Manufactured stats at its finest.

I object to this nonsense and highly misogynist propaganda given a platform and credibility on IAC. Either this crap is rejected, or I exit. Non negotiable. My presence holds a certain credibility on human rights related views. I refuse to grant it to a platform that openly promotes an organization working against women.

Vidyut


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC participants,

Swaup Sarkar's email to me, below, encapsulates the problem, ordinary people or groups with extra-ordinary views have in being heard in a controlled information society.

An information society where editorial content is openly negotiated  for advertising revenue (Zee TV and Naveen Jindal), or where semi-literate persons wielding power arbitrarily (Wikipedia refusing to acknowledge P Kalyanasundaram simply because his "truth" and Jimbo Wales's don't mesh).

When somebody approached me about 10 days back because he was harassed by a particularly abusive blogger (whose father incidentally is our valued contributor on spirituality and misgovernance) and a paid chamcha for Baba Ramdev, I advised the individual to use "open source cloud technology" to correct the information imbalance. Clouding works: for eg. Do a google search for "Baba Ramdev Coward" or "Sanjeev Sabhlok ass" to confirm that these links are #1 (or at least top 5) on Google.

So members can shortly start sending IAC their UNIQUE Press Releases and articles on politics, politicians, corruption, governance, events etc. with the IAC GUARANTEE that IAC will publish it if it meets IAC's standards (which we will inform members shortly).

PS: Save India Family Foundation's Press Release has been uploaded (after cleaning it up), but our sites are not operational (as yet) for public view.

Sarbajit



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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Mr. Ambasta

Lets keep this focused on Admiral Ramdas.
This is NOT about the NAVY or the Services. Loyalty is good, blind loyalty is not.

Don't attack me - attack my facts.

His wife and daughter actively worked against the Indian nation (while he was in service). I suppose you know that.

His daughter Kavita, married to a Pakistani (although I am not reading anything into this by itself) was appointed as Ford Foundation representative in India. Ford Foundation was one of the major US sponsors of Team Arvind (as Digvijay Singh pointed out).

Virtually all India's top public servants send their children abroad (mainly USA) to study. This is where the corruption starts.

Admiral Ramdas was awarded the Magsaysay award (a known CIA front organisation) for the anti-national work of his family, which is involved with every anti-development activity one can think of offhand.

Ramdas is a Petitioner in virtually every Common Cause (ie. Prashant Bhushan and Kamini Jaiswal) PIL one can recall - V.K.Singh DOB, Coalgate, CAG appointment etc.

My point is very simple -

A Lokpal (Ombudsman) must be INDEPENDENT from the subject he is investigating.

Do you dispute the following simple facts (I can give 20 more) :-

1) Ramdas is a petitioner in Coalgate PIL filed through Prashant Bhushan

2) Ramdas is a petitioner in CAG PIL filed through Prashant Bhushan.

If so with what face can Ramdas be the "Lokpal" of AAP.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Vijoy Ambasta <vijoy.ambasta@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sarbjit Roy
I can see a malicious intention in you against Mr Kejriwal. I do not know how pure are you yourself to cast aspersion on any one and everyone or may you are in the habit of doing so. You seem to disbeleve even Adm Ramdas. BTW who do you believe, I do not know if u believe yrself.
You can do great if you avoid these activities of yours. You have very good intentions in you please exploit these for the benefit of the society and the country and yourself too.
I wish you good luck in your endeavours.
With regards
Vijoy Ambasta 


Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE­­: publication by India Against Corruption

The misogyny comes through when phrases like 'Are men expendable?' pop up. Nobody should be expendable. The piece requires some further pruning. However, in this particular case, I do not think abetment is appropriate. Abetment is to approve, encourage and help or support a plan of action. Did Suraj Pancholi want her to or in any way encourage her to commit suicide? Physical assault is a relatively minor offence in terms of punishment and is covered under a different Section of the IPC for which he should be punished if found guilty. If he did not get her to seek help, then he was negligent or uncaring like a lot of other men who want to get out of a relationship. Pavan Nair


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I find SIFF to be an extremely misogynist organization doing little for the rights of men and more of objection to any protection of women. For example, SIFF does zero about male on male abuse. Either sexual or otherwise. Within family or without.

In this latest episode, the idea that women threaten men as some kind of controlling gimmick is an extreme generalization. People prone to suicide are known to speak about it aloud. For example, in this case they are objecting to, Pancholi has confessed to assault on Jiah Khan. They were in a long term relationship and he was hardly unaware of previous attempt to suicide. What is the responsibility of a partner of a suicidal person? Is it the sole responsibility of the mother as SIFF appears to present? How is physical assault ignored so blatantly?

SIFF promotes several lies.

Some more from this article itself are that abatement to suicide is punishable only in India. This is bullshit. Provoking suicide is punishable almost worldwide - particularly when accompanied (which Pancholi himself has confessed to). Forget laws and such - let us talk of two high profile cases. The first the nurse to Kate Middleton who got pranked b the Australiam radio hosts and committed suicide. This is UK. The second is Dharun Ravi convicted for provoking the suicide of Clementi. This is US. Naming these, because with Indian connections, they may be easier to remember.

SIFF likes to present a false association between high rates of suicide between married men and abuse, when in fact, there is no proven corelation. For example, self-employed men are a far larger percentage of suicides than married men.

SIFF likes to focus on the idea that both men and women are abused without looking at the corresponding fact that in the abuse of both men and women, men are majority of the abusers. Women are NOT "equally" abusers as SIFF likes to present.

SIFF has been known to fake information, claims and work to oppose protection of women rather than protecting men as it superficially claims.

Finally, Jiah Khan did not merely threaten Pancholi with suicide, she accused him of assault - something he confesses to. She accuses him of ditching her after promises of marriage - something Pancholi's mom herself has implied to media. Lastly, a threat isn't a form of manipulation if the action warned about actually happens. Jiah Khan is dead.

And so on. There are several articles debunking this crap. The basic method is to look at the exception and call it the norm. It is almost like saying Sikhs are evil because a few must have attacked the others in 1984, while wholly ignoring the massacre itself.

This is not to say that there isn't misuse of laws or that women don't misuse rights or that men don't suffer. However, it is not logical or helpful to put blanket blame on women as being malicious by default. For example, this letter itself speaks of threats of suicide by women to helpless men - in the title itself, while going on to treat a man's suicide as genuine harassment - a view that is held against the credibility women, while it is cops who did not file the case - unknown gender, usually male. Particularly since our population ratio, crime statistics are completely opposite of this claim. The idea that dead, injured, and violated women are unimportant gets promoted when you have an organization that questions the credibility of most crime stats without ANY factual basis whatsoever.

I forget the link. This mythical helpline of theirs gets 98% calls related with men being abused, which how an article by this bunch claims 98% men are abused. I suppose if 98% people walking into a jeweller's shop buy jewellery, it is safe to say all Indians buy lakhs worth jewellery each, daily. Manufactured stats at its finest.

I object to this nonsense and highly misogynist propaganda given a platform and credibility on IAC. Either this crap is rejected, or I exit. Non negotiable. My presence holds a certain credibility on human rights related views. I refuse to grant it to a platform that openly promotes an organization working against women.

Vidyut


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC participants,

Swaup Sarkar's email to me, below, encapsulates the problem, ordinary people or groups with extra-ordinary views have in being heard in a controlled information society.

An information society where editorial content is openly negotiated  for advertising revenue (Zee TV and Naveen Jindal), or where semi-literate persons wielding power arbitrarily (Wikipedia refusing to acknowledge P Kalyanasundaram simply because his "truth" and Jimbo Wales's don't mesh).

When somebody approached me about 10 days back because he was harassed by a particularly abusive blogger (whose father incidentally is our valued contributor on spirituality and misgovernance) and a paid chamcha for Baba Ramdev, I advised the individual to use "open source cloud technology" to correct the information imbalance. Clouding works: for eg. Do a google search for "Baba Ramdev Coward" or "Sanjeev Sabhlok ass" to confirm that these links are #1 (or at least top 5) on Google.

So members can shortly start sending IAC their UNIQUE Press Releases and articles on politics, politicians, corruption, governance, events etc. with the IAC GUARANTEE that IAC will publish it if it meets IAC's standards (which we will inform members shortly).

PS: Save India Family Foundation's Press Release has been uploaded (after cleaning it up), but our sites are not operational (as yet) for public view.

Sarbajit

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From: Swarup Sarkar <swarup1972@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Subject: PRESS RELEASE­­:Just like SurajPancholi, thousands of helpless men get victimized with threats of Suicide from wives and girlfriends every year.
To: letters <letters@tribuneindia.com>

PRESS RELEASE­­:Just like SurajPancholi, thousands of helpless men get victimized with threats of Suicide from wives and girlfriends every year.


http://swarup1972.blogspot.in/2013/06/press-releasejust-like-surajpancholi.html

Based on media reports and alleged suicide note of Jiah Khan, 22-year old SurajPancholi was arrested and sent to jail for committing the crime of abatement to suicide. We have to understand that such laws do not exist in other countries in the world. Is suicide a solution to break-ups or separation? Jiah Khan attempted suicide 8 months ago and nothing was done to ensure that she does not repeat it. It is absurd to assume that all human relations will remain everlasting in this age of modernity.Finally, women are portrayed as victims, and men as abusers.


SurajPancholi is no alone. Thousands of men across India call SIFF helplines every week. Half of them have faced threats of suicide from their wives from time to time, if they do not meet her unreasonable demands. 


These men are scared. These abusive wives refuse to come to a counselor or a psychiatrist. When these young men plead to the parents of women abouttheir suicidal nature, parents do not take it seriously. These men cannot run away from home or file for divorce, fearing that this may prompt her to commit suicide. They suffer mental and physical abuse from possessive, controlling and suspicious wives. In fact, the society laughs at them as "Harassed Husbands" rather than helping the man and making arrangements for counseling of such women. Now, this phenomenon is getting extended to relationships before marriage as well. Being obsessively possessive and controlling is not a sign of love.

In short, India is sitting on a ticking time bomb as the society refuses to recognize the issue of threats of suicide inside marriages or in relationships. The society just behaves as if such incidents are rare or wishes that this problem will go away on its own. Then, it recommends revenge on the man if the woman commits suicide. Home Ministry (NCRB) data says, 24% of all suicides in India are due to Family Reasons and 3.4% due to failed love affairs.

Here are concerns of SIFF around this case:

1.      There are no checks and balances in this abetment to suicide law. SurajPancholi did not point gun at the head of Jiah Khan to force her commit suicide. Breaking-up with a girlfriend or being commitment-phobic is not a crime. As reported, Suraj did everything he could so that Jiah Khan can get some psychiatrist help, after she attempted suicide 8 months ago. One has to wonder, why Jiah's mother did not get her to a psychiatrist.

2.      This abetment to suicide law is very selectively applied by police. When a husband commits suicide blaming torture by wife and in-laws, the police refuse to arrest the woman and her parents. However, if a wife commits suicide, the husband and in-laws go to prison for 6 months to 2 years and are presumed guilty until proven innocent. Is the life of a man cheap? Males are the disposable gender.

3.      This abetment to suicide law and the social attitudes around it actually encourage suicides, by taking away the responsibility from a person to preserve his or her own life.

4.      Many possessive women are already abusing their husbands and boyfriends and threatening suicide, if he stands his ground and defends his dignity. Arrest of SurajPancholi will only increase such incidents rapidly. A man is completely helpless here.

5.      Jiah Khan attempted suicide 8 months back. It is reported that SurajPancholi was extremely concerned about her life after that incident and he called her mother to India and he even spoke to her for taking Jiah Khan to a psychiatrist. What more can a man do? He is helpless beyond a certain point, when a woman is obsessive and suicidal?

6.      Did Jiah Khan's mother Rabiya Amin take her to a psychiatrist or counselor, even after knowing about her attempt to commit suicide? As a mother, is not it her responsibility to ensure that her daughter handles stress and relationship troubles with help from mental health professionals?

7.      SurajPancholi and many men are victimized as the hatred against men or misandry in general is fueled by mass hysteria after incidents of rape. SIFF demands an end to large scale gender hate, stereotyping and the attitude to judge men harshly. If hate cannot solve communal or religious problems, then why it is assumed that blaming men and spreading hate against men will solve crimes against women?

8.      If a young man commits suicide and he leaves a suicide note, blaming his girlfriend for hurting him, cheating on him and abusing him, will the society show same fervor in demanding arrest of the girl involved? If not, then why men are victimized for the decision for a woman to commit suicide for break up?

Threat of suicide by man is actually defined as domestic violence under Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act (PWDVA), which is applicable to both marriages and live-in relationships. A woman can get a restraining order from a court against husband and boyfriend if they threaten suicide. However, the society and the women's organizations force Government to refuse to protect men from such forms of domestic violence. If they had, then SurajPancholi would have got a restraining order and would have legally forced Jiah Khan to get psychiatric help.

It's a slap on the face of Bollywood

Finally, Bollywood itself has indulged in spreading large scale hatred against men in recent times, with anti-male stereotyping without looking at issue in a more academic and meaningful manner. Many Bollywood actors are full of misandry. Now, one among them has committed suicide and a budding actor is in prison. It's a slap on Bollywood's face and its shows how disconnected Bollywood is from group realities in spite of its false claims to transform the society.

Many actors like Shah Rukh Khan to Amitabh Bacchan have publicly proclaimed, "I am ashamed of being a man". Shaming all men for the crimes of a few is nothing but anti-male hate or misandry. If misogyny is not healthy for the society, then how can misandry create a better society? We hope, Bollywood actor realize that in this grave hour.

In this particular case (below), a husband committed suicide blaming torture by wife and in-laws. The police did not arrest the wife and in-law even after hundreds of phone calls are made to Mumbai police by SIFF members. If the law of abetment to suicide is to save people from suicide, should not it be applied equally to both genders? Or is men's life cheaper in Indian society?


SFF Demands that:

1.      Government must bring checks and balances to all laws related to suicide, like abetment to suicide and dowry deaths.

2.      Government must make domestic violence law gender neutral and protect men from wives and girlfriends, who threaten suicide every now and then.

3.      Suicidal women must be forced to undergo counseling and treatment.

4.      All laws must be made gender neutral and both genders must be treated in a fair manner.

5.      The society must take steps to curb misandry. It is challenging, because it is too easy to blame and stereotype all men citing incidents of rape or other crimes against women. Such misandry will vitiate gender relations.

6.      It must be ensured that, men's rights to liberty, dignity and basic human rights are not snatched away in the name of empowering women.

According to National Crime Records Bureau, about 20,000 men and about 12, 000 women committed suicide in 2011 for "Family Reasons" alone.

From Save Indian Family Foundation
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Mr. Roy,
Let's put thought / actions on IAC agenda.
You are a office bearer and focus only on the agenda, as it is your sole responsibility. I am sure you have great potential to take IAC to higher levels.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Arvind Kejriwal is a CIA agent funded and supported by U.S. Govt. and NGO-s. This is known to Congress, who have been using him to split the Anna Hazare movement which was gathering unexpected response of millions from all over India. Arvind succeeded in splitting from Hazare and started his political ambitions and some agitations in front of Ministers' residences..etc.
 
Recently CBI has initiated investigations against Jindals, ignoring the bigger coalscams of others right from the 135 allocations made under PM's office. The scrap of paper emanates from Sonia's room with Ahmed Patel's consent, the scrap find its way to PM delivered by George and the PM's office allocates the kick-backs finding its way to 10 Janpath. Jindal was one of the many beneficiaries, BUT FUNDING KEJRIWAL- HIS RELATIVE- FOR THE NEFARIOUS ANTI-HINDU ACTIVITIES splitting possible votes
 
Now he has announced challenging Sheila Dixit in coming elections and even called for donations through web-site!! This was not to the liking of Sonia and immediately CBI was asked to target Jindal who might influence Kejriwal to withdraw/ go slow and CBI might put the files to back burners!!
 
Read about Arvind Kejriwal and his CIA connections
Is Kejariwal an American agent? - Abhaydoot
Sunday, October 21, 2012
Ford Foundation, Hivos, Panos and Dutch Embassy- Is Kejariwal an American agent?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F38ecA9ma-U/UIOOF9zbNmI/AAAAAAAACL0/Peyfcvd0yuA/s280/arvind.jpg
Finally, someone has spoken what I have been writing and stating for months- AK-47 is an imported stuff with dubious agenda who have ventilated Indian youth's growing radicalism and hyper-nationalism far away from neo-imperial strategies of the global hegemony, US to India's crony politico-corporate elite. It is not that the uprising against corruption is misguided. But, the man who seeks credit for the intense mood against the crooked class, himself appears fragile and dubious. Let us not forget what Digvijay Singh has raised through 27 questions, only because those have been raised by someone called Diggy! There are certain pertinent question and these need to be properly answered and not merely rubbished as Diggy's questions.. I will put up various links unraveling the hands behind Arvind's bloated confidence.
Digvijay Singh has asked AK on his service records: "Is it a fact that in your entire service of 20 years in Indian Revenue Service, you never served outside Delhi even though the norms of the service are that all IRS officers serve a posting only for three years in a place? Is it a fact that even your wife, who is also an IRS officer, has never served outside Delhi?"
Now, it is certain that if an honest officer intends to bring transparency and take action against wrong-doers, he cannot be tolerated by the seniors and the political-business class. It is surprising that AK was never transferred out of prime posting in the city of Delhi and when he was transferred for the first time to another lively city, Chandigarh; he proceeded on leave. He could remain posted in Delhi throughout his career defying service rules and this reflects that he was never a thorn to the corrupt persons. As an IRS, he himself admitted that he did not take bribe , but he maintained silence against his staff taking bribe. He also gave interviews during 2009 that he was offered bribes and thence he decided to work for transparency in the system. Mind it, not only transfer, AK never had to face any tough situation during his stint as Indian revenue service officer. One can just contrast his case with case of Arun Bhatiya, G.P. Khairnar or recently Ashok Khemka who had to face 43 transfers in 19 years of service or CSS officer, Niraj Kumar who had to face 7 years of suspension and more than 15 transfers in his entire career of 15 years after being alleged to be the hand behind a website tehelka.com that exposed massive corruption in defence sector and for exposing CIA activities in India through Dutch NGOs, massive loot of funds in the name of Surrender Policy for militants, Freedom Fighter Pension scam, the secret killing in Assam etc.
AK had a very smooth career. He qualified Civil services exam(1991) and allotted IRS. He tried again next year , but again could not improve his ranking and joined as IRS. His service record was ordinary.
In January 2000, he took leave from work and founded an NGO, Parivartan . In February 2006, he resigned from the job, to work full-time at 'Parivartan'. Same year he received Ramon Magsaysay Award for Emergent Leadership(2006). The guiding hand of Ford Foundation is behind AK's every move since then. The Magsaysay Award for Emergent Leadership seeks to inspire young people to apply their talents and energies to selfless and innovative service in Asia; and this award category was exclusively created in 2000 with support from a Ford Foundation grant, and honors greatness of spirit among men and women forty years old and below. http://www.rmaf.org.ph/?id=2&page=history.
AK got this award of $ 50000 at the age of 38 and the citation does not reveal some significant contribution except the fact that under the aegis of Parivartana, AK and his team could settle 2500 cases of electric bills grievances. The Magsaysay awards in different categories are constituted by the Rockefeller Brothers Foundation and a substantial part of the cash component is funded by the Ford Foundation (FF). Surprisingly, it is the Ford Foundation only that was financing AK during the same period while AK was also working in the Government of India. AK had founded another organization , Kabir, with Manish Sisodia in January,1999.
This is stupendous feat of award disbursement that the donor turns into the awardee for its own beneficiary. Everything seems to be premeditated and made out to launch "own men" in Indian public sphere. AK became a Ford Foundation created "important man".
What is surprising that Kabir claims to be transparent , but has not made public its foreign grants for the year 2008-9. The search at the site returns "failed' report http://www.kabir.org.in/indexx.htm . But, the Ford Foundation site reveals it all. Kabir was given a grant of $1,97,000 in the year 2008. http://www.fordfoundation.org/ grants /grant details?grantid=107117. Again, the next year return reveals kabir received Rs. 6075149 in the year 2009-10, but the details have been hidden as Annexures not made public in the name of transparency.
Now, things turn up crystal clear. AK was picked up by the Ford Foundation way back before 2005 . The Ford Foundation began to finance his all activities and pushed him into limelight with conferring the Magsasay Award.
A website Beyond Headlines filed RTI to know the details of the foreign contributors to Kabir and has come up with the startling answer. Kabir received funds from the Ford Foundation (Rs 86,61,742), PRIA (Rs 2,37,035), Manjunath Shanmugam Trust (Rs 3,70,000), Dutch Embassy (Rs 19,61,968), Association for India's Development (Rs 15,00,000), India's Friends Association (Rs 7,86,500), United Nationals Development Programme (Rs12,52,742) while Rs 11,35,857 were collected from individual donations between 2007 to 2010.
Based upon this information, a lawyer Manohar Lal has filed a PIL in the Delhi High Court bearing no. W.P.(C) 3412/2012 on 21 May,2012. The High Court has sought status report within 3 months from the government of India vide their order dated 30.5.2012.
CORAM:
HON'BLE THE ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE HON'BLE MR. JUSTICERAJIV SAHAl ENDLAW
ORDER
30.05.2012
The prayer made in this petition shall be examined by the respondent no.1 and suitable decision shall be taken thereupon.
Writ petition stands disposed of.  Status Report be filed within three months.
ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE  RAJIV SAHAI ENDLAW, J MAY 30, 2012/
Kabir was raided by the Union Home Ministry officials for a suspected violation of Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) on 22nd August,2012 pursuant to the Court Order. .
But, more curious is the fact that Kabir has been directly funded by the Dutch Embassy. The amount made public is merely the tip of the ice berg. When embassies can come out openly with funding an individual or organization, one can see the confidence and brazenness of the powers which are pushing Kejariwal for their own strategic game in India.
Kejariwal ,Dutch Embassy, HIVOS,PANOS and the CIA game plan
Why is Dutch embassy funding Kejariwal? Who are HIVOS? What is the connection between HIVOS ,Kejariwal and the Ford Foundation?
Recently, the Pioneer reported that Humanistic Institute for Co-Operation with the Developing Countries (HIVOS) has given more than 13 lakh Euros (approximately `9.25 crore) to various NGOs in Gujarat between April 2008 and August 2012. The prominent among them are: DISHA (2,24,000 Euros), GKVP (2,07,000 Euros), SAFAR (1,84,000 Euros), MAHITI (1,04,000 Euros), SWATI (85,000 Euros), and UTHAN (63,000 Euros). HIVOS has also funded various NGOs in Mumbai and Delhi. Mumbai-based Citizens for Justice & Peace (CJP), run by Teesta Setalvad, and Delhi-based ANHAD, run by Shabnam Hashmi, 4,000 Euros.
HIVOS is also one of the highest recipient of Ford Foundation's grants . Stichting Hivos, Netherlands, is also a donor who maintains a full-fledged country office in India, receiving $1.2 million or around Rs 5.5 crores. HIVOS is also one of the co-financing agencies to the Netherlands government, whose embassy funds Kejariwal's Kabir. Hivos co-funds the Centre for Collective Development (CCD) one of the two Ford Foundation funded NGOs of IIM Bangalore's dean Trilochan Shastri, who also rund ADR(Association of Democratic Reform). Trilochn Shastri has also been conferred Breton Woods Committee membership. He could not be given Magsasay Award like Kejariwal was given, might be because of his above 40 age. The Right to Recall is in the agenda of ADR and the ADR held the IAC movement in southern India. Like Kabir, Shastri's two NGOs are heavily funded by Ford foundation.
Hivos also funds Kejariwal's Parivartana.
Then there is PSO Association which was founded in 1985, to facilitate the posting abroad of professionals in the context of development cooperation. The name refers to this main activity: Personnel Cooperation in Developing Countries (Personele Samenwerking in Ontwikkelingslanden). PSO is directly funded by Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affiairs.
PSO which is an association that consists of sixty Dutch development organisations including Hivos and which receives 27 million Euros annually for its activities from the Netherlands government is a funding partner of PRIA, who in turn is also a Ford Foundation partner. Another PSO partner - Soliaridad also funds PRIA. , PRIA funds Kejriwal's Kabir, which is a Ford Foundation recipient. Thus, the whole nexus of Dutch NGO, Ford foundation, Dutch government, Kejariwal and recent attempt of creating a Tahrir-like condition in India lies unraveled. Now PSO is winding up after so many complaints from many countries for their intrusive activities. PSO's General Assembly has decided in 2011 to liquidate the Association as of 1st January,2013.
The Dutch development NGO Hivos has collaborated with International Institute of Social Studies, The Hague, also part of Erasmus University, Rotterdam specialized in "policy-oriented critical social science"; over the past five years on knowledge related to civic action and civil society building. The collaboration between an academic institute and a donor NGO is meant to study the Hivos' mission in developing world. Dr Kees Biekart of ISS is coordinating the programme. Capacity development emanating from ISS addresses social movements. the social movement in Georgia under the caption of Rose Revolution is overseen by a South Asian , Dr Sunil Tankha .
PANOS South Asia is another organization registered in Netherlands with registration number 27355408. PANOS South Asia has now 7 offices in south Asia. The dutch project Ford foundation grants and media in South Asia is their primary area of focus. So, the activities of the FF-Dutch funded organizations and individuals will be highlighted by the complicit journalists in media.
Overt Funding figure by Ford foundation in India from 2008-12
(List of important mainstream organization operating in India)
It must be known that in India, a CBI case was registered against tehelka.com and officials of home Ministry for unraveling the nexus of CIA activities through Dutch NGOs in the year 2000 itself. The case under the stringent Official Secrets Act is still under trial while the Indian government let the Dutch NGOs and the FF to have complete control over civil society in the intervening period. The official, Neeraj Kumar, who is credited with bringing the attention of the government towards this nexus and the manner in which Dutch NGOs were funding foreign government money to Indian organization for ulterior motive, was kept under suspension for more then 6 years and hounded by the agencies. The documents reveal that the government of India w as convinced way back in 1999 that "with the end of Cold War, the CIA has intensified using Dutch sources for supporting secessionist and subversive activities in India. And that there is " covert strategic alliance between US and Dutch agencies".
But, how did the government allow Dutch Embassy to fund Arvind Kejariwal directly reveals chinks within the armour or the penetration of Indian agencies by the CIA. Rabinder Singh(former Joint Secretary in RAW) episode is still fresh in our mind when the US Embassy provided the RAW mole an American passport in an undiplomatic and brazen way.
Netherlands Dutchy engagement with India
Western powers have made umpteen efforts to not let Asian countries reap the benefit of higher technology. The US had been smart enough to engage in 'policy of congagement" vis-à-vis emerging powers. They engage with the emerging power like the hub and the spoke and on the other hand engage in policy of off-shore balancing at different level. The emerging powers have to be contained by the second most powerful regional actor. While at the trans-regional level, it maintains a balance of power among various regional powers by excluding itself so that it remain the arbitrator of the global order. The weak NATO states have always been the carrier of the containment strategy in the name of human rights or insufficient democracy and now the hoax of technology threat. One must remember how it was the Americans and the Dutch who connived to let Khan steal nuclear secrets from URENCO . The Dutch internal agency, BVD and the Americans wanted to help Pakistan to build nuclear weapon as they wanted Pakistan to be a regional balancer against India during Cold war.
The American –Scandinavian-Dutch connection to derail India's nuclear programme as is happening in the Koodankulam protest and significantly pointed out by the Prime Minister himself, and to help build a nuclear counter weight against India has a long history.
Earlier also, the siphoning of fund from the Churches to the militant groups in the North east India surfaced in the year 1999 when the Ministry of Home Affairs held a meeting with various intelligence agencies and different Ministries to ascertain the level of covert support that may be coming to these insurgent organizations through Dutch NGOs. It was observed in the meeting that USA may be promoting non-American NGOs to camouflage its own interests. Dutch missionaries were found active in Tripura without having any permission from the Indian government. A Dutch NGO, NCIP(Netherlands Council on Indigenous People) was found providing ample support to various outfits like ULFA, NSCN(IM) on international fora. Since, most Dutch NGOs were found directly funded by their government, so it was possible that the funds that trickle down to the militant outfits have their source in the western government. At that time, the IB tried to scuttle down the government move by claiming that IB did not have any specific report or indication of Dutch NGOs or individual involved in activities which could be against India's national interest. One of the close Indian associates of NCIP/NCIV, Ms Maria Mangte who used to frequent across Netherlands, Thailand, North East India and Burma left India and obtained a Dutch passport when the matter of Dutch support to insurgent groups was entrusted to the federal investigative agency.
With the lethargy taking hold, the programme of external powers to sponsor anti- Indian movements through the church and the NGOs continued unabated. The diffidence of insurgent groups within India grew manifold. When on 17.7.2002, in a reply to the starred question in the Parliament, Late Digvijay Singh,the then Minister of State for external affairs gave a written reply naming Netherlands as one of the country where terrorists have based their activities besides Pakistan; all hell let loose.(Lok Sabha Starred Qustion No. 46, 17.7.2002). NSCN(IM), the most formidable insurgent outfit in the North East India attacked the Indian Minister for targeting Netherlands. The Minister retorted by taking a potshot that when the name of Netherlands was listed, why should it pinch the NSCN(IM). NSCN(IM), in fact, displayed its affiliation openly by turning into mouth piece for Netherlands. There are known reasons for holding Naga Peace talks either in Amsterdam or in Bangkok.
The US is pursuing a policy to engage with the emerging power like the hub and the spoke and on the other hand to direct a policy of off-shore balancing at different level. Just as the arrangement of spokes in relationship with the hub in a wheel, the US maintains bilateral ties with each international players. When the same wheel is employed in carrying the wagon of global order, it follows the tricycle pattern. The front wheel that carries the whole cart is the leader and can also move alone. The other wheels are arranged in pairs, balancing each other for smooth movement of the cart. The US maintains that whenever the need arises, it can leave the cart stranded and move alone. It is what it did while attacking Iraq in 2002. The emerging powers have to be contained and balanced by the second most powerful regional actor. One can see the pattern in the games that it play vis-à-vis India and Pakistan; Russia and Ukraine; China and India; China and Japan; Turkey and Iran. While at the trans-regional level, it maintains a balance of power among various regional powers by excluding itself so that it remains the arbitrator of the global order. The weak NATO states from Northern Europe like Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Netherlands have always been the carrier of the containment strategy in the name of human rights or insufficient democracy and now the hoax of threat from technology to ecology.
One must be reminded how it was the Americans and the Dutch who connived to let Khan steal nuclear secrets. Khan was hired by the Physical dynamic laboratory, FDO, in Amsterdam during early 1970s. FDO, Amsterdam recommended Khan to work in URENCO, site at Almeto in Netherlands from where Khan began pulling nuclear secrets for Pak-N-bomb programme. The Dutch intelligence agency, BVD(Binenlandise Veiligheidsdienst) ran a background check on Khan but neglected to find out that his wife was not Dutch, but a South Afrikaner who carried a British passport. It is learnt that CIA shielded Khan from arrests in Europe in 1975 & 1986. Khan was sentenced in absentia by a proactive Dutch court for four year imprisonment for stealing enrichment technology from Netherlands in 1983. Later, the conviction was turned down on technical ground and the fact that under the American pressure, the Dutch government did not want to take any action against Khan. When the scandal came to light, there was lot of hue and cry in Europe. But, it was only after the 9/11 when the western nations realized the growing radicalization of Pakistan and the fear of nuclear-armed jihadis gripped them. Fresh investigation was carried out both within nation and at international level on the nuclear trafficking. AQ Khan was granted immunity from prosecution by Pak government after his televised confession on illicit nuclear dealings in February,2004. Soon the AQ Khan case file was stolen from the Dutch court, and it caused uproar in 2005. Judge Anita Lesser told media that "I find bewildering that people lose files with a political goal, especially if it is on the request of the CIA."
Almost at same time, a former Dutch premier Dr Ruud Lubbers in an interview to a Dutch radio, VPRO Argos Radio on August 9, 2005, admitted that the Dutch internal agency, BVD and the Americans wanted to help Pakistan to build nuclear weapon as they wanted Pakistan to be a regional balancer against India during Cold war, since India was closely associated with the Soviet union. The American –Scandinavian-Dutch connection to derail India's nuclear programme and to help build a nuclear counter weight against India has a long history preceding Koodankulam.
The BVD spy Frits Hoekstra's book, In Dienst van de BVD"(INSIDE BVD); written in 2004 disclosed how BVD undertook several operations internationally against China and communist movement. This book exposes the level of complicity of Dutch with American agencies to create disruption in third world. Leaked cables from the US embassies by the wikileaks last year also disclose the role of the Dutch organizations(particularly, SNV based in Hague and in collaboration with US for last forty years) in the then instability in Nepal on behest of the then Dutch Ambassador in India, Peter Koch. http://wikileaks.org/cable/2002/10/02KATHMANDU2045.html
The BVD is a unique intelligence agency since though it is the internal intelligence agency, it undertook oversea operation on behest of the CIA . The Dutch external agency, IDB was officially disbanded in 1994 and the BVD became further strengthened with formal and technical strengthening after the end of the Cold War through the WIV Act, 1992.
Since, the Dutch lid was taken off in India in 2000 when the Dutch role in aiding and abetting inimical forces within India was exposed by a website, tehelka.com, the baton passed to other neighboring Scandinavian countries like Sweden,Norway and Denmark for strategic deterrence and the Dutch focused on massive Georgia or Egypt –kind of conditions in India. This is meant to derail India's peaceful rise. CIA in its assessment for 2025 has put India and China as the US competitor. For the US agencies, peaceful rise of both Asian giants has to be subverted at every cost.
Interestingly, the Indian government filed cases against the website under stringent law of Officials Secrets Act upon the request of the then Dutch Ambassador, Peter Koch. Neeraj Kumar, the young officials from the Home Ministry , who exposed the CIA-Dutch nexus and their activities, continue to face prosecution and vendetta.
Emboldened by the silencing of the voices, the Dutch , though stopped the funneling of money, turned into conduit for autonomy and anti-state ideas while NGOs and organizations from other Scandinavian countries involved more extensively with the funding of missionaries and Indian NGOs ready to toe their line which in turn stir up anti-Indian sentiments and agitations particularly in the territorial margins, in North, East and southern India .
William Van Schengel, a Dutch Professor of Amsterdam University floated the idea of Zomia to describe the people of the adjoining hill-region in North-east India, China and Myanmar, Bangladesh Thailand in 2002.
The concept of Zomia is derived from zomi, a term for highlander among Chin-Mizo-Kuki languages spoken in Burma, India and Bangladesh. Very soon, it has become a geopolitical tool The idea of 'zomia' is circulating and being discussed after publication of prize-winning book by James C. Scott, "The Art of not being Governed:An Anarchist History of upland Southeast Asia(Yale University Press,2009). Scott is Sterling Professor of Political Science and Anthropology at Yale University. With the rise of India and China as the great Asian powers in this Asian century, the western think-tanks as well as strategists are worried and fabricating every possibility to weaken these core states of Asia. Since, by promoting Zomia as the stateless, ungoverned, romantic geographical as well as historical space, a powerful movement can be unleashed creating a shatter-belt across Eurasia that can make both India and China to engage against frontier-enemies with perceived trans-border support. This can derail any approaching accommodation between two Asian giants India and China and China-ASEAN nations.
Recently, two Dutch scholars visited Manipur under the aegis of the International Institute of Social History, Amsterdam, Netherlands to fuel the Zomia narrative. Prof. Willem Van Schendel who coined the term, 'zomia'in 2002 asked the local historians to preserve contemporary history. The same was echoed by IISH Representative, Kathinka Sinha Kerkhoff. The IISH Representative had caused an uproar while organizing an International Conference on "Bihar in the world, the world in Bihar"(16-19 Dec.1997)
with the objective that "when nation-state is disintegrating(India)", it was imperative to establish Bihar in the global world. The programme was heavily funded by the European Science Foundation. The same historian worked on post-partition migrants in Bangladesh and India . The intentions to widen cleavages as a design to fuel discontent among migrants in South Asia is becoming apparent. Netherlands-based Chittagong Hill Tracts Commission looked after the migrant aspect inBangladesh. Now a new organization, Global Human Rights Defence (GHRD) under chairmanship of Sraddhanand Sital has been created in Hague, Netherlands to protect minorities
Soon after the visit of these two Dutch thinkers on deconstructing India's territoriality,a symposium titled "11 Year Hunger Strike: Irony In The World's Largest Democracy" was held on the 21st of February, 2012, at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, USA. The event was jointly organized by The Carr Center For Human Rights Policy atHarvard University, the Harvard India Caucus, and the Kashmir Initiative at the Carr Center. It is generally Kashmir issue which was being raked up in the academic centers of strategy within theUS. It was for the first time that Manipur issue saw such a response. Few days , before this event, the New York Times published an op-ed piece titled, "The Undiscovered Country" on 15 Feb 2012 by Frank Jacobs.http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/the-undiscovered-country/
The author gave a thumbs up to Schendel for proposing Zomia, as a transnational area that is marginal to all the states that nominally control it. He further writes, few things unite Zomia , except its diversity — religious, ethnic, cultural, linguistic — born of Zomia's geographical character, dominated by the inaccessible Himalayan highlands and Tibetan plateau. Zomia is a sanctuary, a refuge for isolated, unassimilated communities.
To give a shape to the concept of Zomia, another Dutch NGO Kreddha launched a program in 2005 to undertake systematic research with the aim to have available practical and current information on a growing number of autonomy and self-government arrangements in different parts of the world. Kreddha's research and analysis department laid the foundations for the task and started researching autonomies in the Asia-Pacific region. Kreddha claims that their information is available to parties, facilitators and practitioners involved in other intrastate peace processes. Thus, Kreddha's aim and objective have been to deepen autonomy and self-government arrangements, in particularly Zomia as evident from their further activities. Its executive President Michael van walt van Praag, a Dutch citizen sought a formal role in the Naga peace talk in March,2007. Armed with the Dutch machinations in past, the Government of India tersely refused the demand. But, the recent moves suggest that there is more to come in coming days.
The Dutch have diversified their anti-India activities from North east to south India, Gujarat to Bihar and also created an alliance of NGOs toeing the American agenda and disrupting the centre from the metropolitan cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Pune.
Is Ford Foundation, CIA's conduit in Developing world?
The Ford Foundation was created in 1936 . Henry Ford, himself was anti-Semite who admired Adolph Hitler and helped finance his rise to power.
The CIA-Ford Foundation collaboration began in 1953, when John McCloy, became the director of the Ford Foundation. McCloy's earlier served as chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, Westinghouse, AT&T, Allied Chemical and United Fruit Company. Thus, Ford Foundation's complicity with corporate cartel is manifest from very beginning.McCloy publicly advocated for the Ford Foundation to cooperate with the CIA. McCloy also chaired a three man committee that had to be consulted every time the CIA wanted to use the Foundation as a pass-through.
Ford Foundation archives have been studied by scholars that reveal series of joint Foundation-CIA projects. The most prominent of these CIA fronts are the Eastern European Fund, the Congress for Cultural Freedom, and International Rescue Committee .The Ford Foundation has also been the primary funder of the Council on Foreign Relations that published the influential journal, Foreign Affairs, and the Trilateral Commission.
Frances Stonor Saunders, in his book Who Paid the Piper? The CIA and the Cultural Cold War, Granta Books, 1999) Saunders reveal that "from the early 1950s to the present the CIA's intrusion into the foundation field was and is huge. A U.S. Congressional investigation in 1976 revealed that nearly 50% of the 700 grants in the field of international activities by the principal foundations were funded by the CIA" ( pp. 134-135). The CIA considers foundations such as Ford "The best and most plausible kind of funding cover" (Ibid, p. 135). The collaboration of respectable and prestigious foundations, according to one former CIA operative, allowed the Agency to fund "a seemingly limitless range of covert action programs affecting youth groups, labor unions, universities, publishing houses and other private institutions" (p. 135).
The Ford Foundation's New Delhi office, "was the Foundation's first program outside the United States, and the New Delhi office remains the largest of its field office operations". Delhi office also covers Nepal and Sri Lanka. James Petras Professor (Emeritus) of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York and a world-renowned author on globalization and US hegemony wrote a masterly piece in Dece,ber, 2001, " the Ford foundation and the CIA: A documented case of philanthropic collaboration with the Secret Police"(15 December,2001) detailing the modus operandi.
Petras summed up how the ties between the top officials of the FF and the U.S. government are explicit and continuing and that the Ford Foundation has never funded any major project that contravenes U.S. policy. He succinctly summarizes :
 "Current period of a major U.S. military-political offensive, Washington has posed the issue as "terrorism or democracy," just as during the Cold War it posed the question as "Communism or Democracy." In both instances the Empire recruited and funded "front organizations, intellectuals and journalists to attack its anti-imperialist adversaries and neutralize its democratic critics. The Ford Foundation is well situated to replay its role as collaborator to cover for the New Cultural Cold War."
It is interesting to draw the whole network of IAC partner NGOs. CSDS, Centre for Developing Societies have come out in full support of AK. CSDS itself is a large recipient of both Ford foundation fund as well as Dutch scholarship under the aegis of IDPAD(Indo-Dutch Programme on Alternative Development). Individual scholars receive IDPAD scholarships while the institution receives the Ford grant. Some of the visible public faces from CSDS who lend their support to Kejariwal are Yogendra Yadav, Abhay Kumar Dubey. Thus, PRIA-ADR-Kabir-India Vision Foundation- Anahad…ad infinitum are like intricate web weaved by the FF-Dutch warp and woof to create a situation that India's peaceful rise is disturbed. They might be intending that with the popular protests fizzling out over the issue of corruption; anti-imperial, anti-American protests would fail to garner steam at a time when the US has launched return to Asia strategy in the year 2010.
Arvind Kejariwal is a small cog in this gigantic American intricate machine that has started rolling again in Asia to reassert imperial control through machinations. Kejariwal must be made to respond and come out clean as to his financiers-overt as well as covert- and their game plan.
UPA government is giving AK a free ride with expectation that in the next election, he and his network of US-Dutch funded Indian NGOs may tilt discourse of anti-incumbency. Let the BJP , an oppositon party be painted with the same brush as the Congress and the UPA. If the new party of AK could slice even 4-5 % of anti-incumbency vote, the swing from Congress to BJP can be thwarted and allowing the Congress to retain power in some new permutation and combination. Political and electoral analysts like Yogendar Yadav could plan such a fortune for the Congress. Kejariwal himself is a scam and he needs to be packed up. Its the end of manufactured drama. Adieu, AK!
(ABHAYDOOT, 21.10.2012)

From: Kamal Shah <kshah623@yahoo.co.in>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Unfortunately, the dogfight goes on and the real corrupt enjoy the party.
It was told to Arvind Kejriwal and other AAP workers, there is nothing you should
do for the people of this country because many of them will betray you and throw
you into the garbage bin when time comes.
 
Regards,
Kamal Shah
 

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 2:20 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

It has taken 9 months for AAP to "clear" Mayank Gandhi of corruption charges leveled against him by Viren Shah and others. The baby they delivered is still-born.

8 of those 9 months were spent in desperately searching for 2 persons (in the whole of India) who would exonerate Mayank against the specific charges made against him with reams of evidence.

Actually when I had raised the issue of non-investigation of charges against Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan 3 months back, AAP publicly said no charges had been made against them - a blatant lie as it now turns out.

So lets see who the 2 scamps (for that is the best word to describe them) they found to exonerate Mayank Gandhi are.

a) Admiral Ramdas (Retd CoNS)
b) Illina Sen (wife of Binayak Sen) (and so what if she is a lady)

both of whom are so close to Prashant Bhushan that even the worlds thinnest condom will find it tough to squeeze between them.

After reading their semi-illiterate and mendacious exoneration of Mayank. Gandhi, I look forward to reading how they now get Ms. Damania and Mr. Bhushan off.

So if this is the brave new world Aam Aadmi Party is offering us - where judge, jury and executioner are all "fixed" (remember the Amar Singh allegations against Shanti Bhushan of fixing a judge for 4 crores), please give me Amar Singh any day for at least he makes no pretence of being honest.

Sarbajit


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