Saturday, December 29, 2012

Re: [IAC#RG] [HRArmy] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.


 
I agree with the points raised by Gen Malik but I feel we are only likely to achieve partial success. My fear is that there is a total breakdown of governance in the country, which requires a total shakeup to the very bones of our system of administration. Take the present case. The bus had been picking up passengers  even when it was not authorised to do so for a number of years, despite the DTC and police having reported the incidents to the Delhi govt transport dept. Also will the police start working only when the police reforms are implemented? Till their implementation will it continue to be hostile to aggrieved citizens who come to the police station?  Will the transport dept continue to permit illegalities as long as the culprit continues to fill the pockets of the staff?
The trouble is that there is no accountability and punitive action depends on "who you know". Witness the recent incidents of political leaders gunning down a police inspector or beating up another in Punjab or the cases of police abetment in the cases of two girls committing suicide during the recent months. Do you think things will change if the police reforms are brought into force?
The other day a newspaper published the names of 15 civil servants whose cases are awaiting govt approval for prosecution or for enforcing the penalties imposed on them since 2007. Despite existing laws which additional law do we need to prosecute them?
As long as political leaders keep getting away with looting public money because of voting requirements in the parliament, things are not going to change. Children follow the actions of their parents and citizens follow their leaders! We need a leader who sets an example and shows leadership qualities. A very tall order. Till that happens we will continue to suffer.

Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)

From: govindan menon <tcgmenon@hotmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: [HRArmy] [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Sisters and brothers,

It is a fact that majority of rape cases have not been  reported to the police because they have to undergo lot of mental agony in the police station and as well as  in  the court room in front of many men.  But I have not come across   any suggestion to overcome this lacuna. Atrocities against women should be handled  only by women( police,  lawyers and judges should all be women in the Fast Track courts.). They  should be given special training to handle these cases. Cross -examination of the victim in the  open court room should be avoided to the extent  possible, if it is  a medically proven case, and Video Conference technology may be used. My request is that women should come forward in large numbers to take up these professions so that later on  the Govt. will not come out with an excuse that they are not getting  sufficient women to handle the cases.
It is a fact that majority of rape cases have not been  reported to the police because the victims have to undergo lot of mental agony in the police station and as well as  in  the court room in front of many men.  The following are the suggestion to overcome this lacuna. Atrocities against women should be handled  only by women( police,  lawyers and judges should all be women in the Fast Track courts.). They  should be given special training to handle these cases. Cross -examination of the victim in the  open court room should be avoided to the extent  possible, if it is  a medically proven case, and Video Conference technology may be used. My request is that women should come forward in large numbers to take up these professions so that later on  the Govt. will not come out with an excuse that they are not getting  sufficient women to handle the cases.
Tcg


Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:04:29 +0530
From: vedmalik@gmail.com
To: drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
CC: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [HRArmy] [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 
  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder
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From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace
mdghani





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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

There are two important changes that are needed in the laws:

1.     The age limit for juveniles needs to me reduced to 15 or 16. The almost 18 year old who committed the most brutal act in this case will go scot free. By no stretch of imagination can he be called a child.

2.   The powers of pardon given to the President need to be curtailed. If they are to be retained, they should be subject to approval by Parliament.


Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)

On 29 December 2012 19:04, Ved Malik <vedmalik@gmail.com> wrote:
Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 
  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public
Sent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphone

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder
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From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace
mdghani





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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

The points brought by each one of you are relevant including the sex ratio.
We have forgotten one basic fact that the first organised profession when humans got together was security forces to protect the society from non humans and beastly humans.
Then when the system of marriage was introduced to make men responsible for the children based on the true understanding that maternity is the only certainty and the paternity is a conjucture, the second organised/semi organised profession started that is  what we call derogatorily " Prostitution".This was done to ensure that the single/ other dissatisfied humans both men & women do not oggle at each other and do these henious crimes like rapes.
In our indian society they were called "Dev Dasis" who are the protectors of the marriage system. They were also used by the society to train the techniques of sexual satisfation and go through the sex as a ritual. It shows with what deep respect the society used to see them.
In most of the western countries they have legalised system of sex trades to take away the the sexual urge of  humans which also can be used as a training  ground for both men & women to go through sex to go beyond sex.
Once this is done the probability of such ugly acts
 of rapes can come down tremendously.
 Co P M Das


 
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM, kumar satyendra <k_satyendra@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear General
 
1. I am in 100% in agreement with your views. I being father of a daughter I am able to feel the pain and the anguish. I would have liked that the culprits be tried and hanged in public.
 
2. But sir, we are missing on two very important social aspects. No doubt, stringent laws, fast courts, efficient and honest police etc will be big deterrent but with all these we are trying to cut the thorny tree from the top. I consider all these as just one third of the measures. Two thirds of the measures are the social.
 
3. I am attaching the male to female sex ratio of India, Delhi and states around Delhi. Do you think this is also one of the root causes, for which all of us are responsible.
 
4. The third cause according to me is the socio economic factor ie labours and blue color workers come to Delhi  from other states. They do not get adequate money to support families. Their families are at home either due to economic reasons or some family related issues. I really do not know how this can be resolved.
 
5. I believe that we got to tackle this problem from the above mentioned three fronts.
 
Best Regards

Saty
Brig (Retd) Satyendra Kumar, SM
 

Sex Ratio of India in 2011

Sex Ratio of India 2011

940 females for every 1,000 males

Total Male Population

623,700,000 (623.7 million)

Total Female Population

586,500,000 (586.5 million)

 

Sex Ratio of India as per 2011 Census

Sex Ratio of India

India

940

Rural Sex Ratio of India

Rural

947

Urban Sex Ratio of India

Urban

926

 

Sex Ratio of India 2012

State / Union Territory (U.T.)

Sex Ratio

Uttar Pradesh

908

Maharashtra

946

Bihar

916

West Bengal

947

Andhra Pradesh

992

Madhya Pradesh

930

Tamil Nadu

995

Rajasthan

926

Karnataka

968

Gujarat

918

Odisha

978

Kerala

1,084

Jharkhand

947

Assam

954

Punjab

893

Haryana

877

Chhattisgarh

991

Jammu and Kashmir

883

Uttarakhand

963

Himachal Pradesh

974

Tripura

961

Meghalaya

986

Manipur

987

Nagaland

931

Goa

968

Arunachal Pradesh

920

Mizoram

975

Sikkim

889

Delhi

866

Puducherry

1,038

Chandigarh

818

Andaman and Nicobar Islands

878

Dadra and Nagar Haveli

775

Daman and Diu

618

Lakshadweep

946

India

940

 



 

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:04:29 +0530
From: vedmalik@gmail.com
To: drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
CC: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 
  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public
Sent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphone

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder
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From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace
mdghani





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RE: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

I fully endorse the suggestions of General VP Malik and wish to add:

a)      All the case must have a time frame. This must be specified at the time of filing  of the case.

b)      Accused person should not be given bail in any case.

c)      16 yrs old boy caught in this case must be examined by a psychiatrist and kept in jail permanently. With his criminal tendencies, he will again harm an innocent citizen.

d)      There should be a separate cell for rape cases and this cell should have only females from the Police. They should be trained to handle such cases.

e)      All the bus stops and places near colleges, Delhi university, IT offices must have mast mounted CCTV with night vision capability, installed.

f)       Lastly, but most importantly….our country does not need politicians. We need good administrators e.g Mr Jag Mohan (Ex Governor Of J&K)

g)      All the Police force must be withdrawn from VVIP/VIP/Ex DGs/ Retired IGs etc etc, with immediate effect. If they are not concerned about the safety of the Aam Adami, then why tax payers money is being spent on their safety? All the Police force locked up in the security of these VIPs & retired DGs etc will be good enough to look after one state.

Regards

Rakesh Sant

 

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Sent: 29 December 2012 22:44
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

 

it is really great to see great luminaries of the armed forces are coming out in support of the cause.

I wish the powers that be take note of the anguish and the concern of the enlightened highly respected service heads are also up and protesting in public.

   Hope you will influence other former chiefs of all three services to come out publicly and not be silent on this issue, to force the government to relent and accept rational ways of respecting public anguish.

regards,

Air Cmde (retd.) VS Govindarajan VM

 


From: Ved Malik <vedmalik@gmail.com>
To: drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

 

Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

 

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 

  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.

General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public

Sent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphone


Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

 

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:

Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel


From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

 

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace

mdghani

 

 



 

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RE: [IAC#RG] [HRArmy] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Sisters and brothers,


It is a fact that majority of rape cases have not been  reported to the police because they have to undergo lot of mental agony in the police station and as well as  in  the court room in front of many men.  But I have not come across   any suggestion to overcome this lacuna. Atrocities against women should be handled  only by women( police,  lawyers and judges should all be women in the Fast Track courts.). They  should be given special training to handle these cases. Cross -examination of the victim in the  open court room should be avoided to the extent  possible, if it is  a medically proven case, and Video Conference technology may be used. My request is that women should come forward in large numbers to take up these professions so that later on  the Govt. will not come out with an excuse that they are not getting  sufficient women to handle the cases.

It is a fact that majority of rape cases have not been  reported to the police because the victims have to undergo lot of mental agony in the police station and as well as  in  the court room in front of many men.  The following are the suggestion to overcome this lacuna. Atrocities against women should be handled  only by women( police,  lawyers and judges should all be women in the Fast Track courts.). They  should be given special training to handle these cases. Cross -examination of the victim in the  open court room should be avoided to the extent  possible, if it is  a medically proven case, and Video Conference technology may be used. My request is that women should come forward in large numbers to take up these professions so that later on  the Govt. will not come out with an excuse that they are not getting  sufficient women to handle the cases.

Tcg



Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:04:29 +0530
From: vedmalik@gmail.com
To: drbanvir@yahoo.co.in
CC: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [HRArmy] [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 
  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public
Sent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphone

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace
mdghani





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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

This is not just the result of sex ratio, political and administrative ineffectiveness. It speaks of dwindling ethical and moral standards of our society, lack of proper punishment and fast track redressal of cases like these. First parents have to be blamed for not bringing up children. We are known only to ape West. Our standards are different, our ethical and moral grounds are different. Why are we leaving our own culture and moral standards and teach to our children? Why we do not follow them? A girl has to be told about the dress, the dangers of society if we do not behave properly in society. Bad elements in society take the advantage of how we behave and demonstrate in society. There are many good things to be learnt from West. Why we only copy bad things of the West?

After proper introspection let us analyse the societal changes. Today women openly drink and smoke and expose themselves. People do take advantage and especially when no one objects to bad behaviour.

We are becoming a country where there is no value for law, police, country feeling, cultural proudness, National feeling. Show me one country where this attitude is there in the rest of the world. There is no point in just telling that India is a land of Gods, Rama, Krishna were born, etc. Today children are confused by the behaviour of elders in society. Let me tell you - 'Gods have run away from India as soon as it got its independence'.

Each one of us are to take the responsibility for such incidences. Were there no others in the bus or when the victim was being raped and shouting? No one had guts to give their lives to take action? Here comes our political set up and respect to law. No one comes forward due to victimisation of such heros. Kindly give your time to notice many more such incidences being reported from various parts of the country after this ghastly incidence - even animals do not behave like this - Most shameful.

Will such criminals sit for a while closing their eye and think if such a brutal incidence occurs to their daughters, sisters, mothers or wife! If they do this I think many do not commit such heinous acts. I doubt if the real culprits have been brought to light. Just to pacify public some might have been booked. First thing that comes out in such situations is the probable political person being involved in such crimes directly or indirectly and police as usual are supporting the individual or individuals and strict law is not being imposed on the criminals.

Let every true Indian take the onus of the incidence and take a oath the he or she would see that such incidences do not repeat in future. This type of response has no meaning if we allow similar incidences continues eroding our society. There is no safety for any one to lead a peaceful life in our own country and are governed by goonda law. It is only then we would be giving peace to the victims of such a crime. Otherwise we are giving a political speech.

Please learn to respect the law of the land and law makers to maintain peace and justice.

Nagaraj


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Seema Mustafa <seemamustafa@gmail.com> wrote:
Just in case this is of interest , and to prove that sections of the media have indeed questioned sonia gandhi

Dear Soniaji,

 

This is my second letter to you, and since it already seems like old times I hope you don't mind the "Soniaji" as against that rather stodgy and formal Mrs Sonia Gandhi? Of course I did not hear from you, and must confess to being a little upset, but your letters to Delhi Chief Minister Ms Sheila Dixit and Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde have again encouraged me. It does seem that we are two of a kind, really rather similar beings, relying on letters to get some kind of action. I had thought you had the power to act, but clearly I was wrong. We are both letter writers. I write to you, and you write to others like Shinde, quite a nice little pact really!

 

This rape is really terrible isn't it? Delhi and other cities have erupted in anger and shock and unhappiness. The young girl is fighting for her life in hospital, her friend who was beaten with iron rods is completely traumatized, and it was surprising that the Delhi Chief Minister did not rush to the hospital as soon as the news broke, to embrace the victims families, hold their hands and assure them of all help possible. That was the least she could have done. You went, of course two days after the attack, and only when the citizens had come out on the roads reminding your government of its responsibilities. But don't worry, Soniaji I understand. You are not very comfortable with all this 'tear wiping' business, and besides your security chaps do not like you to move around too much; particularly on unfamiliar routes that you rarely take, such as the road to Safdarjang hospital. Also your managers did not fully understand the depths of common sentiments and were hoping that emotions would subside. But when this did not happen they realised it was imperative for you to at least meet the family, and shoot off those two famous letters distancing you from the government as soon as possible. You demanded action from Dixit and Shinde, just like all of us ordinary citizens who have spent all of two days protesting on the streets of Delhi.

 

That was a good move though. The media loved it. Of course there were some party poopers like BJP's Sushma Swaraj who wondered why you were demanding action when you were in place really to take action. But for purposes such as this, the letters placed you at a certain moral high, and at the same time absolved you of any complicity in the non-functioning of both the Delhi and Union governments. Impressive.

 

You must get a couple of more letters ready for these two. Dixit has not taken your words on board and stood by while the cops used water cannons on students, both boys and girls, demonstrating outside her residence. She refused to come out and speak to them, saying she could meet a delegation but would not speak to these rowdy young people. At least the police commissioner did a little better when he was brought out by women activists from his office to face scores of protestors. Jaya Bachan, MP did a Mulayam Singh on the woman activists and gave him a clean chit, saying he had assured them of stringent action and needed the cooperation of the people.

 

I think these students should have protested outside your door. They should realise where the power lies and I certainly do not like your status being undermined.  I wonder though whether you would have come out to meet them?  Probably not, and I agree you should not be seen as too close to the hoi polloi, and certainly not be seen as meeting these disheveled left wing types (leave them for the Sheila Dixits!). Anyways you have the best chaps taking care of your security, and they would not have allowed these people within kilometers of your residence!

 

Interesting how everyone is talking of the other. Sheila Dixit says she has no control over the police so cannot do anything. But she has control over the transport ministry, right? She could ensure that bus operators follow the rules, that her ministers check these private chaps regularly, and ensure that laws prohibiting tinted glasses for instance are followed, and that drivers are registered and have licenses. Shinde says he will now speak to the Delhi police and see what can be done to make the national capital safer for women. Now? What has he been doing all this while? Must say his statement in Parliament was the usual blah blah. The cops blame the courts for delayed justice. The courts castigate the cops for poor evidence. And in this frolicking merry go round where no one owns up to anything, the rapists and eve teasers and molesters have a field day.

 

I know it is difficult for you in particular to understand what a young girl faces in Delhi. You have never had to walk the streets, or travel by buses, or live in little rooms in shady streets as that is all you can afford. The fear when she is stalked, the visual rape she undergoes every single day, the physical molestation she dreads when she boards a bus, and her helplessness as she knows that she cannot turn to the police as they are the worst of them all. You do not see it as the police turn into servile, crawling human beings in your presence. Don't get me wrong, I support you in this as our leaders must be leaders, distant and far removed from the crowds. I do not like all this, we are with you, kind of talk. How will we recognise our leaders if they become part of us?

 

Delhi has become the rape capital of India. Women are not safe on the streets, day or night. There are many reasons for this, from the sociological to the political. But the foremost to my feeble mind is bad, corrupt, callous and compromised policing. They just do not do their job. They are linked with the transport mafia, with politicians, with the goons; they take bribes to look the other way; and they do all they can to ensure that laws are flouted every minute of the day. What is worse they do not register cases lest these reflect in the statistics, and women in particular cannot hope for any protection against the beasts on Delhi's streets. I know this must seem far fetched to you, as you do not even have to call, and the top cops are there willing to fetch and carry. And so your preoccupation is more with who should be Delhi police commissioner, than with ensuring that the officers pull up their socks and work off those stomachs, and I guess they know that when they line up for your attention.  Shinde should do something about this, but then most cops have political patronage and it is difficult to touch the officers for incompetence and corruption.

 

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has done his usual disappearing act. He is becoming quite good at it really. Haven't heard from Rahul baba at all. Hope he is well? Priyankaji is of course busy in your constituency. The government has had little to say on the issue, and suddenly all the Congress spokespersons have also disappeared. The people are talking of capital punishment for rape, but where are the laws for booking eve teasers and molesters? This crime is not even recognised by the police as a crime. Don't worry I am not even suggesting that you government should do anything about this, that would be too much to ask.

 

I will now rest my pen. More when you next write to the minions in your government.

 

All the very best,

 

A woman.


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, <malhotra333@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
I will say every one today is acting like a snob.
No one has the guts,even the media to point their finger on the sole person who is responsible for this.Who is in power just to save her black money.
It was said that Sonia Gandhi cried bitterly when a terrorist was killed.
Now is she crying.She is responsible for the murder if this innocent girl because of corruption.
For her vote bank she sold our country.
Another disturbing news today that a guy by the name of Owaisi who said that the 15 cr muslims can easily overpower 100 cr Indians.Its shocking that this guy is roaming free courtsey sonia.
And the media will invite this guy along with majeed,teesta etc for their TRP instead of a common man.
God bless India.
SM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.

Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms. 
  • All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
  • Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
  • Fast courts to deal with crimes against women. 
  • Respect for women in  society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P Malik

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of public
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

IAC does not indulge in politics.

This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.

Ajay

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK Mazumder
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From: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.

we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peace
mdghani





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