Saturday, July 20, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

doing same thing expecting diffrent result is foolish that is what AK is doing. the system does not allow honest to survive.so u have to fight for changing the system nothing less than this will give Zero Results. once civil society realised this a diffrent nationwide movement will take place.no piecemeal change but want complete reform.AK and his team is totally out of this as they are shown interest to adjust within the system.for them truth and theary of justice is beyond their understanding.

On Jul 20, 2013 10:56 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
20/7/13
Dear Sirs,
It is clear that the diffrences between AAP and IAC are irreconcialable after S. Roy has articulated them a number of times mainly being the finanacial irregularities. Yet I believe certain decorum should be maintained in public uttrances.
Now that the 3 who were at one time integral part of the broad anti-corruption movement have parted ways, let each concentrate their energies on their core stength.
In due course of time people will judge their achievements.
On a broader scale, the civil society orgasnisation/forums are a divided house. There are reported to be more than 29000 NGOs working in difffrent fields on local,state level and national level. Majority of them are funded from indegenous funds but many are receiving foreign funds ever since India became in dependent  The need of the hour is cooperation and collaboration among NGOs may be some kind of federation at State, National level. Till then the Govt. with the help from corporate world will keep the civil soiety movements divided and  put them down.
Regds
JKGaur 
 

Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:39:52 +0530
From: fastjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Use of such unparliamentary words doesent augur well in yor mouth
I too have honest differences with Arvind still I respect him for his guts
and for his capacity to build an organisatiopn in a very short time
Use your energy in buildING sky
Bhagvanji Raiyani

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all

No body have any discretionary power to allow any violators  to go
Scot free.. This is the misapprehension of  many people in this
country that if u are powerful u need not bother about various
stipulations.. whether it is common man or P.M. law should be followed
scrupulously. The incident narrated in this subject shows the common
thinking prevailing within the top level leaders of AAP. they are not
even understood the quality of leadership.. Leaders should be moral
guiding factor for its followers. This country is ruined because of
low quality of leadership.. "A  country will be prosperous if the King
stays in Huts and common man in palaces" This is about highest
standards of quality,,, he should be free from slightest degree of
personal ego, compassionate, high thinking and low living,, He always
keep away from all kind of flattering,,, This kind of high level
quality is not visible in any of AAP leaders.. They have failed to
follow a single lesson from    ANNA Hazare

regards

On 7/13/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear SR*
>
> I have noted your sentiments (and also those of another member Suneel
> Prasad who opines that policemen have discretionary power to let off
> offenders).
>
> Those who expect / claim to represent the people must display the highest
> standards of probity in their personal life.
>
> I bring to your notice some observations of the Supreme Court:-
>
> "*In a country governed by the rule of law, nobody is above the law,
> including judicial officers.*"
>
> The Supreme Court was of the view that a judge's official and personal
> conduct must be in tune with the* "highest standard of propriety and
> probity. If she has deliberately chosen to depart from these high and
> exacting standards, she is appropriately liable for disciplinary action*"
>
> Arvind is the one who called Parliament a den of thieves. AAP's top Mumbai
> man Mayank Gandhi is now, by his own public statement, exposed as no better
> than them.
>
> Accordingly, I have given Arvind a public challenge to either begin the
> process of expelling Mayank Gandhi immediately, or take action through
> AAP's "*Internal Lokpal*" against him on my formal complaint, a copy of
> which was separately emailed to Arvind..
>
> It is not a question of Re.1 or Rs.100 or Rs.100crores. It is the *MORAL
> PRINCIPLE*
>
> If AAP's so-called eminent citizens LokPal can't even investigate a Rs.100
> complaint against its own members how can a Jan Lokpal investigate a
> complaint of Rs.1,000 crores against powerful outsiders. *As an engineer, I
> would say the Lokpal concept has flopped on the drawing board inside the
> lab
> *.
>
> *PS:* Incidentally the observations of the SC were in 2011 in a matter
> where a Mumbai lady magistrate was dismissed from the judicial service for
> traveling without a Rs.17 ticket in a Mumbai local train.
>
> Insofar as AAP's working against corruption is concerned, I have clearly
> stated that not even 1 matter agitated by them has resulted in any
> conviction. In fact they are hired guns (aka NGO for hire) who intervene in
> PILs of other people and attempt to stall / derail them. COALGATE and CAG
> appointment being prime examples of their tactics.
>
> Also, knowing AAP's dirty tricks dept, I'm sure they'll "procure" a
> back-dated receipt from the cops to show that Mayank Gandhi paid the
> challan.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:21 AM, <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> Good Morning.
>>
>> As a convenor of IAC, we place you very high and are saddened when you
>> join non issues.
>>
>> I am not from AAP, yet find that they are doing something. Just writing
>> mails and shooting letters are hardly of any significance.
>>
>> Hope you will honour our expectations.
>>
>> Anyone who is fighting corrupt system is far superior to those who are
>> just bent upon criticising.
>>
>> Regards and best wishes.
>>
>> SR
>> Regards,
>>
>> SR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> Sender: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:05:27
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>> <
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Inspite of all odds and marked differences things aredestined to
change.English language helped enlighten our leaders about the true
meaning of INDEPENDENCE, specially on visiting the land of
Emperor/Emperess,though its introduction by Macaulae was to facilitate
alien rule.Much the same way,all the (dirty)tricks employed by the
ruling elite will eventually boomerang,as the need for fredom from
corruption/misgovernance now far exceeds the divisibility on
caste/communality/creed/region/religion.The youth of te day will no
longer buy differently touted nonsense.
We all have to,therefore, enlighten our youth on te possible right
paths and exhibit dangers of the Machaevillian ways employed by the
politicos of different hues.
Infighting could end if we coalesce rather than collide in our
mission.Minor difference in approaches could,rather should,be glossed
over.
So whats the LINE-OF-ACTION?
The devil lies in details.
I wish I could convince our dear friends on the dire need to unite and
not divide ourselves on our larger,more loftier.goals.
Are there moles in the organisation trying to sub vert the noble plans?
Will the most concerned please care to have a one-to-one dialogue with me?
I'm available on 24*7 basis for achieving our goals,in a mission mode.
s p mathur
DGP(retd) 919841282324

On 7/20/13, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 20/7/13
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> It is clear that the diffrences between AAP and IAC are irreconcialable
> after S. Roy has articulated them a number of times mainly being the
> finanacial irregularities. Yet I believe certain decorum should be
> maintained in public uttrances.
>
> Now that the 3 who were at one time integral part of the broad
> anti-corruption movement have parted ways, let each concentrate their
> energies on their core stength.
>
> In due course of time people will judge their achievements.
>
> On a broader scale, the civil society orgasnisation/forums are a divided
> house. There are reported to be more than 29000 NGOs working in difffrent
> fields on local,state level and national level. Majority of them are funded
> from indegenous funds but many are receiving foreign funds ever since India
> became in dependent The need of the hour is cooperation and collaboration
> among NGOs may be some kind of federation at State, National level. Till
> then the Govt. with the help from corporate world will keep the civil soiety
> movements divided and put them down.
>
> Regds
>
> JKGaur
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:39:52 +0530
> From: fastjustice@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
>
> Use of such unparliamentary words doesent augur well in yor mouth
> I too have honest differences with Arvind still I respect him for his guts
> and for his capacity to build an organisatiopn in a very short time
> Use your energy in buildING sky
> Bhagvanji Raiyani
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> No body have any discretionary power to allow any violators to go
> Scot free.. This is the misapprehension of many people in this
> country that if u are powerful u need not bother about various
> stipulations.. whether it is common man or P.M. law should be followed
> scrupulously. The incident narrated in this subject shows the common
> thinking prevailing within the top level leaders of AAP. they are not
> even understood the quality of leadership.. Leaders should be moral
> guiding factor for its followers. This country is ruined because of
> low quality of leadership.. "A country will be prosperous if the King
> stays in Huts and common man in palaces" This is about highest
> standards of quality,,, he should be free from slightest degree of
> personal ego, compassionate, high thinking and low living,, He always
> keep away from all kind of flattering,,, This kind of high level
> quality is not visible in any of AAP leaders.. They have failed to
> follow a single lesson from ANNA Hazare
>
> regards
>
> On 7/13/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *Dear SR*
>>
>> I have noted your sentiments (and also those of another member Suneel
>> Prasad who opines that policemen have discretionary power to let off
>> offenders).
>>
>> Those who expect / claim to represent the people must display the highest
>> standards of probity in their personal life.
>>
>> I bring to your notice some observations of the Supreme Court:-
>>
>> "*In a country governed by the rule of law, nobody is above the law,
>> including judicial officers.*"
>>
>> The Supreme Court was of the view that a judge's official and personal
>> conduct must be in tune with the* "highest standard of propriety and
>> probity. If she has deliberately chosen to depart from these high and
>> exacting standards, she is appropriately liable for disciplinary action*"
>>
>> Arvind is the one who called Parliament a den of thieves. AAP's top
>> Mumbai
>> man Mayank Gandhi is now, by his own public statement, exposed as no
>> better
>> than them.
>>
>> Accordingly, I have given Arvind a public challenge to either begin the
>> process of expelling Mayank Gandhi immediately, or take action through
>> AAP's "*Internal Lokpal*" against him on my formal complaint, a copy of
>> which was separately emailed to Arvind..
>>
>> It is not a question of Re.1 or Rs.100 or Rs.100crores. It is the *MORAL
>> PRINCIPLE*
>>
>> If AAP's so-called eminent citizens LokPal can't even investigate a
>> Rs.100
>> complaint against its own members how can a Jan Lokpal investigate a
>> complaint of Rs.1,000 crores against powerful outsiders. *As an engineer,
>> I
>> would say the Lokpal concept has flopped on the drawing board inside the
>> lab
>> *.
>>
>> *PS:* Incidentally the observations of the SC were in 2011 in a matter
>> where a Mumbai lady magistrate was dismissed from the judicial service
>> for
>> traveling without a Rs.17 ticket in a Mumbai local train.
>>
>> Insofar as AAP's working against corruption is concerned, I have clearly
>> stated that not even 1 matter agitated by them has resulted in any
>> conviction. In fact they are hired guns (aka NGO for hire) who intervene
>> in
>> PILs of other people and attempt to stall / derail them. COALGATE and CAG
>> appointment being prime examples of their tactics.
>>
>> Also, knowing AAP's dirty tricks dept, I'm sure they'll "procure" a
>> back-dated receipt from the cops to show that Mayank Gandhi paid the
>> challan.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:21 AM, <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sir,
>>>
>>> Good Morning.
>>>
>>> As a convenor of IAC, we place you very high and are saddened when you
>>> join non issues.
>>>
>>> I am not from AAP, yet find that they are doing something. Just writing
>>> mails and shooting letters are hardly of any significance.
>>>
>>> Hope you will honour our expectations.
>>>
>>> Anyone who is fighting corrupt system is far superior to those who are
>>> just bent upon criticising.
>>>
>>> Regards and best wishes.
>>>
>>> SR
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> SR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>> Sender: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:05:27
>>> To: indiaresists<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; Amitabh Lucknow<
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>>> <
>>> parivartanindia@gmail.com>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Sarbajit

This is not an issue of a simple dishonesty.. this is a larger issue
which we should highlight than simply saying a case of dishonesty..
AAm admi Party and AK is going to be disastrous to the country that is
the important message which so many of our educated class failed to
understand.. People like many of us simply things that AK is trying
hard to derail the present establishment with an intention to give
more relief to the general public... That impression itself is wrong,
AK is trying to become the part of the establishment by deceit
method,, He has derailed the ANNA movement with specific goal to grab
power.. He is trying to project him as the champion of fight against
corruption ,, but fundamentally he did not know the cause of
corruption,, if he did not realize the cause How can he fight against
corruption? He says "once I will be in power I will bring lokpal and
eradicate corruption" How? ,, with the present manifesto from His
party no body can digest that he can bring down the corruption.. He
does not even know "what good governance" means. He does not even know
the principles of economics. If he could understood this principles he
could never told to the public to not pay for the services they
already availed.Now he says that he will provide free water to all ..
from where he will get the money for that? promises are there in his
manifesto about various freebies. He does not know who are the suffers
of these kind of freebies.. see this link..
http://aamaadmiparty.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/arvind-kejriwals-letter-to-muslims.pdf...
from this u can imagine where he is moving,, he will be another Lalu
or Mulaym in making ,, that will be disastrous for people like us as
the public will completely loose faith upon any kind of right
movement.. He is wooing the Muslims and trying to create vote banks..
He never knows that in this country minorities are given special
protection and right which is not available to majority ,, Can any
body say such a country where being minority u can have separate right
? Whether it is minority or majority every individual should have
equal right and opportunity.. These is the fundamental principle of
governance which politicians did not want to implement for the sake
of vote bank.. How AK will be different other party when he wants to
given something different to Muslims. He should understand that
secular country does not means that majority people should work for
the purpose of providing freebies to minority class.

As somebody suggested here ----it is not an issue of mere Rs 100 in
Mayank Gandhi case.. "what he was proud about gives" his lowest level
of thinking just like any other existing corrupt leader . He should
have scolded the police fellow for not taking fine from Him , He
should have advised the police that Law is equal to all and even if
It was the P.M he should have challaned, in that case he can be a
different leader . He thinks that once He is the leader of the
political party he should be treated differently than common man he
wants more recognition than AAm admi ,, other wise he is advocating
for no challan for any kind of violations.. total law less situation..
This episode highlighted in this forum gives more ideas about the
class of leadership in the AAp Party ,, it is not simple issue to be
brushed aside,, This kind of behavior shows that without reaching
any where near to the power they are just started realizing luxury of
being in the List of VVIPS..




regards
On 7/19/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sureshan
>
> 1) Since I am the one alleging "dishonesty" on part of AK, let me
> start off with a very simple example. Please see this link.
> [http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kejriwal-launches-bijlipaani-satyagraha/article3972022.ece]
> It contains a photo
> [http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01229/Kejri-power_1229981g.jpg]
>
> 2) Please tell me if there is anybody on this list who, seeing the
> photo, will DARE TO DISAGREE with me that Arvind Kejriwal is
> dishonest.
>
> 3) I will go even further and say that this photo is conclusive
> evidence that Arvind Kejriwal is an ignoramus who is fooling the
> public - classic case of the blind leading the blind.
>
> 4) I openly challenge Shri Arvind Kejriwal to discuss the contained
> photo and the accompanying text of the article containing his
> statement in any public neutral forum.
>
> 5) If Arvind Kejriwal is too much of a coward to face me (all those
> years of boozing and smoking in IIT means he clearly didn't learn much
> engineering there) let anyone else in his party defend him and his
> FRAUD bijli satyagraha.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 7/19/13, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> dear sardesai
>> ur right proof is required to substantiate various allegations made. hear
>> against AK there can be various reason to criticise AK that is to be
>> highlighted instead of alleging dishonesty etc
>>
>> vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>
>>>Insead of asking others to give you the proof of AK's and his team's
>>> dishonesty, why don't you try to find out whether there was any
>>> sincerity
>>> of purpose in all his behaviour and acts so far?
>>>
>>>V. S. Sardesai
>>>--------------------------------------------
>>>On Fri, 19/7/13, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>> Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>>> Date: Friday, 19 July, 2013, 1:14 PM
>>>
>>> Dear Sir, Jai Hind
>>> Please provide a Proof of AK's & his Team's dishonesty
>>> if you want to mind-wash the supporters of AAP.
>>> Please also provide the Solution of IAC Forum... in What way
>>> it is going to solve this mass issues of Public Interest
>>> without making any Platform.
>>> The Ultimate Solution is lying through Parliamentary Process
>>> and What are your programs to make it success in that
>>> direction.
>>> I am not the suppor of AK but in real an IAC supporter but
>>> to support AK is not a insincere act because ultimately if
>>> we want to clean the parliamentarians upto some extent then
>>> it will enhance our success a little towards Vyavastha
>>> Parivartan.
>>> Waiting to your Reply
>>> Girendra Singh
>


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RE: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

20/7/13
Dear Sirs,
It is clear that the diffrences between AAP and IAC are irreconcialable after S. Roy has articulated them a number of times mainly being the finanacial irregularities. Yet I believe certain decorum should be maintained in public uttrances.
Now that the 3 who were at one time integral part of the broad anti-corruption movement have parted ways, let each concentrate their energies on their core stength.
In due course of time people will judge their achievements.
On a broader scale, the civil society orgasnisation/forums are a divided house. There are reported to be more than 29000 NGOs working in difffrent fields on local,state level and national level. Majority of them are funded from indegenous funds but many are receiving foreign funds ever since India became in dependent  The need of the hour is cooperation and collaboration among NGOs may be some kind of federation at State, National level. Till then the Govt. with the help from corporate world will keep the civil soiety movements divided and  put them down.
Regds
JKGaur 
 

Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:39:52 +0530
From: fastjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Use of such unparliamentary words doesent augur well in yor mouth
I too have honest differences with Arvind still I respect him for his guts
and for his capacity to build an organisatiopn in a very short time
Use your energy in buildING sky
Bhagvanji Raiyani

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all

No body have any discretionary power to allow any violators  to go
Scot free.. This is the misapprehension of  many people in this
country that if u are powerful u need not bother about various
stipulations.. whether it is common man or P.M. law should be followed
scrupulously. The incident narrated in this subject shows the common
thinking prevailing within the top level leaders of AAP. they are not
even understood the quality of leadership.. Leaders should be moral
guiding factor for its followers. This country is ruined because of
low quality of leadership.. "A  country will be prosperous if the King
stays in Huts and common man in palaces" This is about highest
standards of quality,,, he should be free from slightest degree of
personal ego, compassionate, high thinking and low living,, He always
keep away from all kind of flattering,,, This kind of high level
quality is not visible in any of AAP leaders.. They have failed to
follow a single lesson from    ANNA Hazare

regards

On 7/13/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear SR*
>
> I have noted your sentiments (and also those of another member Suneel
> Prasad who opines that policemen have discretionary power to let off
> offenders).
>
> Those who expect / claim to represent the people must display the highest
> standards of probity in their personal life.
>
> I bring to your notice some observations of the Supreme Court:-
>
> "*In a country governed by the rule of law, nobody is above the law,
> including judicial officers.*"
>
> The Supreme Court was of the view that a judge's official and personal
> conduct must be in tune with the* "highest standard of propriety and
> probity. If she has deliberately chosen to depart from these high and
> exacting standards, she is appropriately liable for disciplinary action*"
>
> Arvind is the one who called Parliament a den of thieves. AAP's top Mumbai
> man Mayank Gandhi is now, by his own public statement, exposed as no better
> than them.
>
> Accordingly, I have given Arvind a public challenge to either begin the
> process of expelling Mayank Gandhi immediately, or take action through
> AAP's "*Internal Lokpal*" against him on my formal complaint, a copy of
> which was separately emailed to Arvind..
>
> It is not a question of Re.1 or Rs.100 or Rs.100crores. It is the *MORAL
> PRINCIPLE*
>
> If AAP's so-called eminent citizens LokPal can't even investigate a Rs.100
> complaint against its own members how can a Jan Lokpal investigate a
> complaint of Rs.1,000 crores against powerful outsiders. *As an engineer, I
> would say the Lokpal concept has flopped on the drawing board inside the
> lab
> *.
>
> *PS:* Incidentally the observations of the SC were in 2011 in a matter
> where a Mumbai lady magistrate was dismissed from the judicial service for
> traveling without a Rs.17 ticket in a Mumbai local train.
>
> Insofar as AAP's working against corruption is concerned, I have clearly
> stated that not even 1 matter agitated by them has resulted in any
> conviction. In fact they are hired guns (aka NGO for hire) who intervene in
> PILs of other people and attempt to stall / derail them. COALGATE and CAG
> appointment being prime examples of their tactics.
>
> Also, knowing AAP's dirty tricks dept, I'm sure they'll "procure" a
> back-dated receipt from the cops to show that Mayank Gandhi paid the
> challan.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:21 AM, <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> Good Morning.
>>
>> As a convenor of IAC, we place you very high and are saddened when you
>> join non issues.
>>
>> I am not from AAP, yet find that they are doing something. Just writing
>> mails and shooting letters are hardly of any significance.
>>
>> Hope you will honour our expectations.
>>
>> Anyone who is fighting corrupt system is far superior to those who are
>> just bent upon criticising.
>>
>> Regards and best wishes.
>>
>> SR
>> Regards,
>>
>> SR
>>
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Friday, July 19, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] FW: UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

It would be helpful if we know the name of the helicopter operator.  Devinder

From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
To: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 16:14
Subject: [IAC#RG] FW: UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella


 

 (Reaching Citizens of India for RTI approach through you, please do forward)

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:01:19 -0700
From: kumar_8134@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: {satyapravah} UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

Regarding Kedarnath floods:
 
It as reported that the Helicopters lent by Robert Vadra's Co. charged Rs.2 lakh per person brought out of the Valley and dropped on an accessible road/ location, WHILE TO BRING A DEAD BODY/CORPSE, VADRA HAD CHARGED RS. 1LAKH PER DEAD BODY.
 
WOULD SOME ONE ASK UNDER RTI, THE UTTARAKHAND GOVT. WHETHER THESE ARE TRUE, AND ASK FOR DETAILS OF AMOUNTS PAID FOR PRIVATE HELICOPTERS USED FOR EVACUATION?
 
AND WHY THE OFFER OF NARENDRA MODY TO SEND HELICOPTERS FREE OF CHARGE FOR EVACUATION OF THE STRANDED WAS REFUSED?

From: bhagwat goel <bhagwatgoel2000@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: {satyapravah} UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

I would written to PRIME MINISTER VAJPAYEE reminding him THAT WE ELECTED HIM NOT BRAJESH MISHRA.I kept my fight with him even after his leaving office bitterly after I realized the full import of misdeeds.
 
Bhagwat Goel


From:
Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 8:44 PM
Subject: {satyapravah} UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

Only brain washed & paid spokesperson of UPA, are trying to take on Modi under the vail of secularism. India's most politicians whose only mission have been stacking the corrupt wealth from the power and influence they carry, never liked even the idea of Hindu India dreaming towards 'Hindu Rashtra'. Modi becoming popular among Hindu India brings unreasonable fears in all most all the corrupt politician including the one who have been serving the party like BJP, Shiv Sena, and several other small allies of BJP. 

In stead of talking about how the government of today, will serve it's people in distress, whether the suffering continues in the valley of Kedarnath or innocent children dying by consuming meals prepared by the school in Bihar, the media is focussing it's discussion to divide the nation further in the name of Modi.

That is why, I have requested people of India to drop the channels like NDTV, IBN, etc, from their subscription of cable TV. Unfortunately, these channels are surviving and their talk show host is collecting a fat check as renumeration because Indians are feeding their hard earned money to them. It's about time to boycott any channel and print media who feed the non-sense ideas in the innocent minds of Indian nationals. 

One thing is very important for all the pseudo-secular must realize that India has been SECULAR since it's inception, even by the words of constitution and by its action. The slogan of secularism which has been completely demoralizing from the leaders like Nehru-Indira-Raji and now by Sonia-Rahul Gandhi and many undeserving political giants out side the congress, is an utter disgrace for Bharat-Mata.

Dr. Kumar Arun


From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 20:30

 
1. Chitra's revelations are startling and stunning that it was Brajesh Mishra who was running the Govt. and LKA and ABV were just puppets obeying what he said in any matter. Read what she says:
.....It is because of who Q was that George Fernandes, India's Minister of Defence during the NDA regime, told me that he had been told by National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra "not to touch the Bofors file" – because of instructions from former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and deputy Prime Minister LK Advani. It is no secret that Vaypayee and Advani were very accommodating about Q and his friends in New Delhi. How else can one explain why the NDA government, in power from 1998 to 2004, couldn't arrest Q?
It was on the Q factor that every ambassador in Switzerland, Sweden and Italy was evaluated for their performance. One permanent representative to the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland (PR) who was in weekly contact with Brajesh Mishra, lied to the Swiss about his interest in following the Bofors case. The official contact between India and Switzerland is through Bern, the Swiss capital. He had no business interfering in bilateral matters between two states. It is because of Q that none of this is in the public domain.........
 
2. It is clear from the above that LKA was in complete collusion with Sonia Gandhi, bowing almost to her feet while meeting her or calling her Soniaji, and until the Goa meet, BJP was run as a Congress support Party under Sonia's directions.
 
LKA had apparently assured Sonia of a third term for UPA by ensuring continuance of his leadership of BJP. LKA tried his best to prevent Narendra Mody's rise to Central role, first by faking diarrhoea and unable to travel (which he did to Jaipur the next day), then trying his best to deter Mody from being made the chief for the Elections in BJP strongly supporting two Committees one headed by him for State Elections and the Parliamentary Election Committee to be decided later.
 
3. A strong Rajnath SIngh defied the opposition from Ananth Kumar and mild resistance from Sushmaji and other seniors at Goa, and announced Narendra Mody as the Poll Panel Chief, that led to the drama of LKA resigning from the Parliamentary Committee and the leaders q-ing to make him withdraw but Rajnath ignoring him and going to a Jaipur session.
 
LKA had to swallow his own spit by a shameless approach to RSS Chief, whom he had earlier described as a non-entity so far as BJP was concerned as a Political Party. A compromise was reached and LKA was asked to withdraw his papers.
 
4. Congress has been too unhappy with the developments and LKA's failure to contain Narendra Mody, and hence LKA's visit to Nagpur to meet RSS Bhagwat followed by Rajnath Singh to Nagpur and the parleys led to mellowing down of the decision by a statement issued that all decision of the Poll Panel would be taken by Rajnath SIngh and Mody jointly and not by Mody alone.
 
5. It was Brajesh Mishra, the CIA mole in PM's office, who got Rahul Gandhi(Raol Vinci) and his Colombian girl friend released from Logan Airport, where they were arrested by FBI for carrying millions of US$ cash without declaration. On Sonia's approach to ABV through Brajesh, ABV agreed instructing the Indian Ambassador in US to get Raol Vinci released who was flown back with another Passport in the name Rahul Gandhi issued by the Embassy in haste.
 
SHOULD NOT ABV BE TRIED FOR TREASON OF THE PARTY BY WORKING AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE PARTY AND COUNTRY BY THESE DEEDS ESP. SAVING Q FROM PROSECUTION?
 
RAM JETHMALANI RIGHLY OBERSEVED IN AAP KI ADALAT OF INDIATV, THAT IT WAS LKA WHO DESTROYED THE PROSPECTS OF BJP IN KARNATAKA BY ACTING AGAINST YEDDY WITH THE SOLE INTENTION OF MAKING ANANTHKUMAR THE CM, RISKING THE STATE AND LOSING IT TO CONGRESS- WAS IT A DELIBERATE ACTION TO PLEASE SONIA?

From: S. Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:32 PM
Subject: The Quattrocchi gravy train - Chitra Subramanian Duella
 
http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2013/07/the-quattrocchi-gravy-train-chitra.html

THE QUATTROCCHI GRAVY TRAIN

Chitra is a Hindi, Urdu, French, Bengali and a little Italian speaking Tam married to an Italian. She writes, is a newshog, and manages a company in Switzerland. Oh! She was also instrumental in investigating the Bofors story in 1987.

POSTED BY CHITRA SUBRAMANIAM DUELLA | 36 MINS AGO IN GOVERNANCE JULY 16, 2013 4:25 PM| 1 COMMENT
Italian accountant Ottavio Quattrocchi
Italian accountant Ottavio Quattrocchi who was paid a bribe of $7.2 million in the 1986 Bofors-India gun deal passed away last weekend. He was no ordinary commission agent operating in India. He was a gravy train close to the Gandhi family. It was common knowledge in New Delhi from the 70s that anyone who was invited to the Quattrocchi home had to wade through strategically placed photos of the Gandhi family. If there was a major negotiation, Q was the signore in the know.
Every Indian politician and political wannabe who met me to "discuss" Bofors (1989 to 2013) cursed Q behind his back and shuddered in his presence. Those who did not shiver like a leaf when his name was mentioned claimed they were using the Q-stick to keep Sonia Gandhi out of power after her husband and former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed.  So, everybody was in the Q game for a personal interest camouflaged as national interest. Everyone thought my political encounter with the movers and shakers of India was because of Bofors.
Bofors was not about Q or R.  Bofors was about the self-respect of a nation. It was about institutions in a democracy, the world's largest. It was about Indians defending India in extreme weather conditions while India slept.
The story is simple. India bought field howitzers from Sweden in 1986 for $1.2 billion dollars. The guns were state of the art, the price competitive. An additional contract ensured that we would manufacture the guns indigenously. Q (as leaked Bofors documents showed) walked into the deal at the 11th hour, asked for a 3% commission payable only when the deal was concluded by a date announced by him through his front company A.E. Services. He walked away a happy man, almost. So why would a Swedish armaments company pay an Italian in India working for Snamprogetti, an engineering arm of the Italian oil and gas firm Eni, for field howitzers?
This is what Amitabha Pande (former joint secretary in-charge of the Bofors contract) posted on Facebook after Q transited.
Amtabha-Pande
Q, like Warren Anderson of Union Carbide, was allowed to bolt out of India. It was after I had filed my report linking him directly to the Bofors payments with evidence from Switzerland and Sweden and before the story appeared in print. Q had fled from a major Indian airport because Indians allowed Q to bolt, knowing well that he had cheated Indians. It was in a manner similar to how India had allowed Anderson safe passage, knowing well that he had blood on his hands after the Bhopal gas tragedy.
Packing the punch of Berlusconi and Raja math (in 21st century Italian and Indian political lingo), Q turned entire generations of Indian politicians and bureaucrats and expert lawyers and political commentators into doormats. He was the parrot-green elephant with a yellow trunk and bells on his two hind-feet in a pink room. Andy Warhol at the Thyagaraja music festival in Tanjore (Tamil Nadu) singing Yantaro Mahanubhava, if that helps.
In addition to making a lot of money talking and arguing about him, people individually became prime ministers, governors, ambassadors and collectively let Indian down as they pretended to chase the Sicily-born Q from port to port.  Q laughed all the way to the bank, something he had been doing in India for a long time.
Bribes to Q explain why when Swedish state radio reported on July 16, 1986 that Bofors had bribed Indians and others to take clinch the arms deal, then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi informed the Lok Sabha at the first opportunity that neither he, nor his family nor his friends had anything to do with the deal.
It is because of who Q was that India has dithered on Bofors for 27 years.
It is because of Q's importance that in 2009 Indian law minister Hansraj Bharadwaj unblocked Q's accounts in London so that he could retrieve his bribe – the tax on which was paid by the Indian taxpayer.
It is because of who Q was that the Bofors case was closed in 2011 for want of evidence. It is because of who Q was that Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of the world's largest democracy said India should apologise to him for hounding an innocent man. A few months later the income-tax department sent him a bill for the bribes.
It is because of who Q was that George Fernandes, India's Minister of Defence during the NDA regime, told me that he had been told by National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra "not to touch the Bofors file" – because of instructions from former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and deputy Prime Minister LK Advani. It is no secret that Vaypayee and Advani were very accommodating about Q and his friends in New Delhi. How else can one explain why the NDA government, in power from 1998 to 2004, couldn't arrest Q?
It is because of who Q was that every institution in India from the parliament to the judiciary to the executive was tarred with the same brush.
It was because of who Q was that every head of India's premier investigating agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) developed half a spine after retirement.
It was because of Q that the CBI sleuths during their several trips to Sweden to get at the truth did not meet key Swedish investigators. .
It was on the Q factor that every ambassador in Switzerland, Sweden and Italy was evaluated for their performance. One permanent representative to the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland (PR) who was in weekly contact with Brajesh Mishra, lied to the Swiss about his interest in following the Bofors case. The official contact between India and Switzerland is through Bern, the Swiss capital. He had no business interfering in bilateral matters between two states. It is because of Q that none of this is in the public domain.
1997. Such was the detail of the money trail in the 350-odd leaked documents that the world's best lawyers in the world's toughest courts could not save the guilty among whom was Q. Such was the enormity and grandeur of the judgment in favour of India that Switzerland modified its laws for mutual assistance in criminal matters to third countries. Calling the decision "spectacular" as it had helped them plug holes in their own system, Swiss officials and lawmakers welcomed the Bofors-India ruling as proof that their country was not a haven for tainted money. Criminals could no longer delay or deny access to secret bank accounts. They could appeal only once at the federal level instead of numerous cantonal procedures and delays. The Marcos case from the Philippines and the Bofors case from India had rocked Switzerland in the 80s. The Marcos money was held under false names and codes and getting to the exact bank account numbers was not easy. Q was not bothered with such details – he was a blink away from the money. He knew he could buck India.
So in 1997, when I stood next to the Indian ambassador to Switzerland, KP Balakrishnan, (image given below) I had a pretty good idea about what was in the sealed box of secret documents from Swiss banks to India. Over 10 years of my life (1986-1997) running between Switzerland and Sweden investigating the case, six of which was sitting outside courts in various parts of Switzerland finally had a meaning.
Chitra
Neither the Swiss courts nor the Swedish investigators cared who Q was. For them, he was the political payment, the entity that comes in when all the numbers are on the table and walks away with a portion of the loot without any questions. For them, he was involved in a major criminal act against the government of India.
July 13, 2013. The phone rang off the hook. Somebody called Q had died, so could they get a byte? It was not an important story, they all said, since it was breaking on a weekend and the editors and anchors were away. So, who wanted to speak to me? A junior anchor, one of them said. Like a junior engineer in Bhopal, I thought.
One television channel wanted to record my reaction before Q's death was confirmed. Upon prodding, one of them was honest enough to say they had no idea why they were calling me except that there was this database on Bofors with my number. Another said they would connect with me live at 1 am India time without disclosing my location.
To all those who want to save India from corruption, I ask – my number is on a data base, but where are the documents India received in a sealed box from Switzerland?.
RIP Q. You knew what you were doing.  And you did it without fear and with favour.
You can watch Chitra Subramaniam Duella's interview on why India still doesn't know the truth about Bofors.http://www.newslaundry.com/2012/05/chitra-the-story-behind-bofors/
Contact-Chitra
Anil Kumar  4 minutes ago
Salutes to Chitra ji....Indian journalism misses you dear Chitra ji  http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/07/the-quattrocchi-gravy-train/


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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Sureshan

1) Since I am the one alleging "dishonesty" on part of AK, let me
start off with a very simple example. Please see this link.
[http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kejriwal-launches-bijlipaani-satyagraha/article3972022.ece]
It contains a photo
[http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01229/Kejri-power_1229981g.jpg]

2) Please tell me if there is anybody on this list who, seeing the
photo, will DARE TO DISAGREE with me that Arvind Kejriwal is
dishonest.

3) I will go even further and say that this photo is conclusive
evidence that Arvind Kejriwal is an ignoramus who is fooling the
public - classic case of the blind leading the blind.

4) I openly challenge Shri Arvind Kejriwal to discuss the contained
photo and the accompanying text of the article containing his
statement in any public neutral forum.

5) If Arvind Kejriwal is too much of a coward to face me (all those
years of boozing and smoking in IIT means he clearly didn't learn much
engineering there) let anyone else in his party defend him and his
FRAUD bijli satyagraha.

Sarbajit

On 7/19/13, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> dear sardesai
> ur right proof is required to substantiate various allegations made. hear
> against AK there can be various reason to criticise AK that is to be
> highlighted instead of alleging dishonesty etc
>
> vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>>Insead of asking others to give you the proof of AK's and his team's
>> dishonesty, why don't you try to find out whether there was any sincerity
>> of purpose in all his behaviour and acts so far?
>>
>>V. S. Sardesai
>>--------------------------------------------
>>On Fri, 19/7/13, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> Date: Friday, 19 July, 2013, 1:14 PM
>>
>> Dear Sir, Jai Hind
>> Please provide a Proof of AK's & his Team's dishonesty
>> if you want to mind-wash the supporters of AAP.
>> Please also provide the Solution of IAC Forum... in What way
>> it is going to solve this mass issues of Public Interest
>> without making any Platform.
>> The Ultimate Solution is lying through Parliamentary Process
>> and What are your programs to make it success in that
>> direction.
>> I am not the suppor of AK but in real an IAC supporter but
>> to support AK is not a insincere act because ultimately if
>> we want to clean the parliamentarians upto some extent then
>> it will enhance our success a little towards Vyavastha
>> Parivartan.
>> Waiting to your Reply
>> Girendra Singh

Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Alternate solution was shown by JP in 1975, when the ruling govt. was made to face so many irregulaities that Indira was forced to impose emergency. Can't we put the govt. in same situation in present times ?
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 19/7/13, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
Date: Friday, 19 July, 2013, 8:27 PM

Insead of asking others to give you
the proof of AK's and his team's dishonesty, why don't you
try to find out whether there was any sincerity of purpose
in all his behaviour and acts so far?

V. S. Sardesai 
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 19/7/13, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling
?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
Date: Friday, 19 July, 2013, 1:14 PM

Dear Sir, Jai Hind
Please provide a Proof of AK's & his Team's dishonesty
if you want to mind-wash the supporters of AAP.
Please also provide the Solution of IAC Forum... in What
way
it is going to solve this mass issues of Public Interest
without making any Platform.
The Ultimate Solution is lying through Parliamentary
Process
and What are your programs to make it success in that
direction.
I am not the suppor of AK but in real an IAC supporter but
to support AK is not a insincere act because ultimately if
we want to clean the parliamentarians upto some extent
then
it will enhance our success a little towards Vyavastha
Parivartan.
Waiting to your Reply
Girendra Singh
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7/18/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
wrote:

  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you
fooling
?
  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  Date: Thursday, July 18, 2013, 8:49 PM
 
  Dear Sant-ji
 
  As they say in the US "read my lips"
 
  The promoters of a) Aam Aadmi Party and b) NCPRI are

 
  (i) ALL
  (ii) MASSIVELY FOREIGN-FINANCED
 
  (iii) HARAAMIs
 
  IAC will have nothing to do with them.
 
  IAC is not concerned with "quantity", but is only
  interested in "quality" of our members. People who
  don't agree with our POV / stringent ethics are
strongly
  encouraged to leave our forums.
 
 
  We are also disgusted with weak people who e-mail in
to
  agree that yes Arvind / AAP etc. "may not" be
  clean BUT they are doing "good work" and we should
  support them since they are the "best alternative"
  from civil society etc. (We get about 5-10 emails
like
this
  everyday) . BULLSHIT. You are either genuine
currency
  or you are a "nakli" note. There is nothing
  in between
 
 
  Hope this clarifies our position.
 
  Welcome back
 
  Sarbajit
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013
  at 12:18 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
  wrote:
 
  After nearly two months of US trip(for some
  intense post-doctoral research work, basically) when
I'm
  wishing to resume my touch with nationalistic
work,I'm
  appalled to see our internal bickering amongst
virtually
  like-minded people/groups on non-core
issues(anti-corruption
  drive specially).Can't we all decently and
  professionally confederate in our struggle against
the
  anti-national/social elements,who're bent upon
wrecking
  our socio-economic fabric,and stalling our destined
overall
  growth?
 
  Can't we list our tasks in some order of
priority(like
  ABC analysis) and act in a concerted manner? Freedom
  fighters,with all their differences,did so in the
days of
  the yore,with aplomb. Why can't we?
  The wicked/evil forces must be musing at our
internal
  strife.
  Is ego coming in the way?I wish an
  actual(not virtual) meeting of all leading lights
could
take
  place,in the form of brain storming session,and
  a(time-bound) plan of action could be formulated.
  Hope and pray we don't fritter away our precious
  resources/energies in dealing with trivial issues..
  I'm sure the best brains would welcome this idea
  and start straight away in hammering out the optimal
  solution.s p mathurDGP
  (retd)
 
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

I do not know much about this AK and his team. But if Anna Hazare, if I prove non-Gandhian then whole team will become dishonest. AK has no proper strategy to fight against corruption. He also knows this. This gives a message that he wants to help Nehruvian Congress indirectly.
 
One of his team members was worried for the independence of Kashmiri people. But he is not bothered for the Hindus who are deserted and driven out from their home since 23 years. What type of love has he for displaced Hindus. Why does he take them as non-entity.

One of his team members (Kiran Bedi) could not appreciate Sadbhavana Mission of Narendra Modi. Why? What is wrong with Modi? Was it a unlawful act? If it is so, then why had she not filed a PIL? In fact this was her hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is the product of dishonesty.

Anna Hazare has never discussed any matter with Narendra Modi. Not even he has asked for any interview with him or his colleagues for any of his problems. Despite of this, very recently Anna said that he has not given a clean chit to Narendra Modi. This is called dirty politics and it is comparable with the politics of Indira Gandhi who was an absolute failure in all fields despite of her absolute majority and arbitrary power of terror.

Anna Hazare avoids communication with Narendra Modi. This is an enough proof that he is non-MK.Gandhian, though he always say he is MK Gandhian. This is a hypocrisy from his end. As a Gandhian one cannot abuse any body without hearing him.

Once upon a time MK Gandhi by mistake had said Mahavir Tyagi a guilty with out hearing him during a period when the latter was in jail. But soon MK Gandhi had publicly apologized in his magazine.   


From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Insead of asking others to give you the proof of AK's and his team's dishonesty, why don't you try to find out whether there was any sincerity of purpose in all his behaviour and acts so far?

V. S. Sardesai 
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On Fri, 19/7/13, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
Date: Friday, 19 July, 2013, 1:14 PM

Dear Sir, Jai Hind
Please provide a Proof of AK's & his Team's dishonesty
if you want to mind-wash the supporters of AAP.
Please also provide the Solution of IAC Forum... in What way
it is going to solve this mass issues of Public Interest
without making any Platform.
The Ultimate Solution is lying through Parliamentary Process
and What are your programs to make it success in that
direction.
I am not the suppor of AK but in real an IAC supporter but
to support AK is not a insincere act because ultimately if
we want to clean the parliamentarians upto some extent then
it will enhance our success a little towards Vyavastha
Parivartan.
Waiting to your Reply
Girendra Singh
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On Thu, 7/18/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
wrote:

  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling
?
  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
  Date: Thursday, July 18, 2013, 8:49 PM
 
  Dear Sant-ji
 
  As they say in the US "read my lips"
 
  The promoters of a) Aam Aadmi Party and b) NCPRI are
 
  (i) ALL
  (ii) MASSIVELY FOREIGN-FINANCED
 
  (iii) HARAAMIs
 
  IAC will have nothing to do with them.
 
  IAC is not concerned with "quantity", but is only
  interested in "quality" of our members. People who
  don't agree with our POV / stringent ethics are strongly
  encouraged to leave our forums.
 
 
  We are also disgusted with weak people who e-mail in to
  agree that yes Arvind / AAP etc. "may not" be
  clean BUT they are doing "good work" and we should
  support them since they are the "best alternative"
  from civil society etc. (We get about 5-10 emails like
this
  everyday) . BULLSHIT. You are either genuine currency
  or you are a "nakli" note. There is nothing
  in between
 
 
  Hope this clarifies our position.
 
  Welcome back
 
  Sarbajit
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013
  at 12:18 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
  wrote:
 
  After nearly two months of US trip(for some
  intense post-doctoral research work, basically) when I'm
  wishing to resume my touch with nationalistic work,I'm
  appalled to see our internal bickering amongst virtually
  like-minded people/groups on non-core
issues(anti-corruption
  drive specially).Can't we all decently and
  professionally confederate in our struggle against the
  anti-national/social elements,who're bent upon wrecking
  our socio-economic fabric,and stalling our destined
overall
  growth?
 
  Can't we list our tasks in some order of priority(like
  ABC analysis) and act in a concerted manner? Freedom
  fighters,with all their differences,did so in the days of
  the yore,with aplomb. Why can't we?
  The wicked/evil forces must be musing at our internal
  strife.
  Is ego coming in the way?I wish an
  actual(not virtual) meeting of all leading lights could
take
  place,in the form of brain storming session,and
  a(time-bound) plan of action could be formulated.
  Hope and pray we don't fritter away our precious
  resources/energies in dealing with trivial issues..
  I'm sure the best brains would welcome this idea
  and start straight away in hammering out the optimal
  solution.s p mathurDGP
  (retd)
 
 
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