I am very surprised to note that some of friends protest in receiving mails which criticise some adored personalities like Medha, Anna ji, Arvind and others. Definitely they are all very respectable. But listening (just listening) criticism is no sin. Let some one mudsling, call names or make appreciations, he has right of presenting his point of view, may be untrue, unacceptable or even indecently presented. Every coin has two sides and by reading the view points of different people enhance the vision of a person. If you do not approve, why not to just read it and either agree that it is correct or delete it patiently if it is false. Just by closing eyes on the comments decent or indecent, true or untrue, mudslinging or admirations, is no good. Every comment just makes us more enlighten. So my friends please take it easy and do not say that please delete me or do not send the mails. Read it, keep or delete it, it is your choice. But not let you brain be prejudiced on any side. Let them say what they know, feel or say prejudicially under jealousy, polarisation or personal reasons. We will filter the coffee and taste the best of our liking.
Parbodh from Amritsar
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Sent: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:39:00
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Subject: [IAC++] Ms. Medha PatkarDear SVS
"Ash" is the guru of everyone who ever learnt RTI and corruption fighting in Delhi from 2001 onwards. What Parkash Kardale of Humjanenge was to Maharashtra RTI, Ash was to Delhi RTI.
Ash has always been the behind the scenes mover and strategist for IAC movement. Being in the government himself for many years he knows the system and its weak points very well.
As a noted IT specialist he had always handled the backend IT operations including centralised email and address database for IAC Andolan.
This database is the bone of contention between the 3 warring factions of present IAC because Ash is clear that the list should only be used for communication and publicity and not for harassing IAC sympathisers for money and donations.
Now of course all the 3 groupings are going their own way to expand their own power bases and maintain it themselves.
Ajay Dixit
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM, <iansubraman@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all
I do not understand who this ash IAC Media is but how can he own the list of E Mail ids?
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The IAC list (now 12,000+ subscribers) is meant for the IAC which will come after Arvind & friends leave us. OTH, the indiaagainstcorruption mailing list (270 subscribers (is for Arvind's Core Committee team)
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Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
I sent a mail criticizing Ajay Dixit, but he has not published it. Why not?
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Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting
Jitendra,
Ineract with them a little more - AND you will get more disillusioned.
At one time - In 2009 before they projected Anna this same Praful Vora and Mayank Gandhi with 10 others came to my residence wand were keen to start a campaign with ME LEADING IT - It was called 'Patti Maar' campaign against the State Government.
I did not agree with the campaign - And their campaign fizzled out with just one meeting at Azad maidan, where only about 20 people turned up.
Now they treat me as an outcaste, If I attend their meetings - SO I STOPPED ATTENDING THEIR MEETINGS.
I had even an open shouting match with them at Jai Hind Hall, where they refused to give me a mike, to question Kiran Bedi
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Subject: Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting
In response to my messages on different websites regarding IAC needs to take up local issues directly affecting Aam Aadmi since no other regular party is bothered about, i was invited by one Mr. Bhavesh of Santacruz east IAC, to attend their Janta Darbar today 1pm at Sita Sindhua Hall, Santaxruz east. Followings r my good and bad observations about working and functioning of IAC, some points were encouraging but others were utter disastrous and caused total disillusionment on other aspects. First i would talk about good observations, these r to encourage more people to join the movement which is only hope and in good direct as far as national and to some extend state level issues r concern. 1. Systematic registration of new members that were coming for first time. It was disclosed that in every meeting more than half r new members. 2. Star speakers Mayank gave some information on the subject and future course of action on the issues that r in hands of IAC as of now. 3. regular meetings being held every week at different locations in Mumbai to keep the momentum going. 4. Regular support and donations in the form of kind coming for all future programs. 5. I appreciate what Mayank made it clear that IAC is not for personal issues. Now i would come to equally important bad points which need introspection, retrospection for having improvement and as IAC is no different or even worst than other political parties. 1. No discipline a) time given was 1pm but people strated turning up late and so speech started at 2.pm. Do people coming in time have time to waste. b.)It is called a Aam Aadmi party but 3 Star Speaker Anjali Damani, Praful Vora and Mayank Gandhi, left immediately after completing their speech, with out bothering to lisen to other member of pubic that has come over there to speak and share what they wish to say. This is utter disrespect to Aam Aadmi. If this is the attitude even before their become any celebrity, imagine how they would behave later or may not be any different from any of the other existing Neta;s that we have today. Following them, many members of public also left, as if they all come to lisen to some vital information that they were expecting that their Neta;s would be sharing with them. 2. There was nothing substantial in the speech that Ms. Anjali and Mr. Vora gave, All facts that they kept on elaborating r known to every alert citizen who is hearing them for last few years or months now everyday in every News channel. They were just pulling their speech to kill time, which was quite boring and may be that is the reason, in every subsequent meetings the number of old members if just half. 3. The most important issue for which i was invited. Local issue of public interest. It seem like all other political parties, even IAC has no value for local issues. So what way it claim to be different alternative from existing parties. It seem that Mr. Bhavesh intention to invited me seem to just he wish to add me as one more person in audiences without having any respect for the public issues which i wanted to address. Anyway after waiting for 2 and half hour i felt like leaving without referring to what i had come for, but then i though, before i leave, lets complete the job of taking the message across may be before just half the audience, who infect had no important role to play in policy decisions. Anyway, exactly as per my what past experience had though me that here r people who r just looking for self glory and least bothered for Aam Aadmi issues. I took off 3 hours from my busy schedule not for any personal problem or issue but because i had expected that IAC could be only alternative to take the issue across the mass as the issues which i wanted to refer r connected with Corporates ( Mobile operators radiation and Tata illegal possession of lakes without any revenue contribution to nation ) and media fails to take the cognizant of these issues because of their commercial interest of loss of Ad revenue, politicians seem to be sold out, RTI r not replied since even govt has no records because no land survey had been conducted or in case of Radiation even if BMC made tall claims but we cannot trust them and citizen monitoring and building pressure is required. But it seem all is just a dream as leadership of IAC seem to be just targeting DELHI but surely they would fail even in this as if they r neglecting local aam aadmi and his local issues.No doubt it is this neglect that there r just 100/200 people attending their meeting who also get disillusion and fail to return again in next meeting. In the end i could say, Mayank doing good job and it may be difficult to find his replacement but he needs to change his attitude and neglect of basic issues My analysis need to be taken in right sprite. i do not hold any personal Vedanta against anyone. I took this pain to pen them down because as i said earlier, this is possibly the only hope after long time so if positive correction is made timely, possibly we may not see this party suffering from it ills. rgds, Jitendra Gupta |
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RE: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
Dear Suraj Prakash,
I do appreciate your points.Let her be a part of the agitation,but not try to take over the leadership.IAC has gained much credibility because of Anna's stature.We have seen how much damage Gadkari has done to BJP.People with skeletons in their cup board and selfish goals should not be allowed to hijack an agitation like IAC.
Regards
I do appreciate your points.Let her be a part of the agitation,but not try to take over the leadership.IAC has gained much credibility because of Anna's stature.We have seen how much damage Gadkari has done to BJP.People with skeletons in their cup board and selfish goals should not be allowed to hijack an agitation like IAC.
Regards
navnith
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:03:04 +0530
> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> CC: tutejasp@gmail.com
> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>
> Dear Mr navnith
>
> Though I am nobody to take or influence any decision in the IAC, just
> a serious person eager to eradication corruption everywhere, but if
> you think with cool mind that even if what you state is 50 % or even
> more correct, why should any agitation for eradication of corruptions
> throw away even such supporters and make them a shouting enemy ?
>
> Sonia, Manmohan Singh, Digvijay, and many others in Congress or others
> else where also loudly acclaim to end corruptions, every knows what
> actually they mean and practice, but nobody asks them to keep away.
> Why shun Medha Patkar, who is at least fighting along the right
> thinking people.
>
> What we should endeavour at the present time is not to shun
> supporters, but to gather support from all people to mount pressure on
> the Govt to pass the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and not the mischief scrap of
> paper called Lok Pal Bill as passed by the Lok Sabha.
>
> Every one everywhere gives his time and energy for some of the other
> of his personal gains, even if it is name and fame, so did Mahatma,
> Jawahar, for rightful cause, and now Sonia, DigVijay for wrongful
> cause why single out Medha Patkar who is - at least to your thinking -
> on the right side to erradicate corruption. Let us not diffuse the
> greatly neeeded agitation for a right cause, and send out wrong
> signals for the intentions of the present supporters, and give a lever
> in hands of Govt for example while thousands of other pharmaceutical
> are really manufacturing rotten medicines, but Govt singling out
> RamDev for multiple extended Govt enquiries for so alleged spurious
> medicines, to disrrupt the greatly needed cause and agitation. Kindly
> think with wider preospective.
>
> Respectfully yours
>
> SurajParkash
>
>
>
> On 11/17/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I commented on Medha,I never thought I am in the company of some
> > intolerant people.I do not think I have used any abusive words against Medha
> > for some to get excited over it and call it blasphemy.Does any one think
> > that her NBA came a cropper just because of a split decision by the SC ? If
> > that is the case every Andolan can be scuttled by a HC or SC.I think she is
> > a professional agitator like a professional politician.She did not feel the
> > pulse of the people and depended on support from abroad.I feel NBA became a
> > failure because of her.
> > Such people go around looking for agitations, what ever may be the cause,
> > for publicity .She wants only a platform and is always in search of one.
> > From where she gets her funds and I am sure it is not from those Narmada
> > evacuees.I do agree that many people like me have no time to be a full time
> > professional agitator like her.I have seen her in southern states also
> > giving big speeches without any idea of the problems.
> > Where was she when Anna and Arvind started their agitation? If Anna gives
> > way too much to her as I see from TV,she trying to take over,,his agitation
> > also will end up like NBA.That is my worry.
> > Corruption is a big issue in this country.Anna and Arvind are doing good in
> > their own way.At the same time this agitation should not be allowed to be
> > hijacked by people like Medha.
> >
> >
> >
> > navnith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
> >> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
> >> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
> >>
> >> Dear friends :
> >>
> >> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
> >> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
> >> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
> >> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
> >> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
> >>
> >> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
> >> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
> >> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
> >>
> >> SurajParkash
> >>
> >> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You are right.
> >> >
> >> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> >> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint
> >> > I
> >> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption,
> >> > Inequity
> >> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper
> >> > due
> >> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
> >> > Supreme Court)".
> >> >
> >> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> >> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see
> >> > for
> >> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
> >> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
> >> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and
> >> > maturity
> >> > to avoid that.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sujit
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> >> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
> >> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies
> >> >> 9of
> >> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
> >> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
> >> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the
> >> >> father
> >> >> of the nation...
> >> >>
> >> >> KUMAR
> >> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
> >> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same
> >> >> coin.After
> >> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
> >> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is
> >> >> better
> >> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
> >> >>
> >> >> *navnith*
> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
> >> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> >> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Joya Mashi
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
> >> >> Wouldn't
> >> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
> >> >> Anyway,
> >> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
> >> >>
> >> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
> >> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest
> >> >> in
> >> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the
> >> >> donors
> >> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil
> >> >> society"
> >> >> as
> >> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical
> >> >> democracy.
> >> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
> >> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong
> >> >> -
> >> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
> >> >>
> >> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim
> >> >> about
> >> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her
> >> >> getting
> >> >> a
> >> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such
> >> >> as
> >> >> at here
> >> >>
> >> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
> >> >> target
> >> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
> >> >> out
> >> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA
> >> >> was
> >> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
> >> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
> >> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing
> >> >> debate.
> >> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled
> >> >> Singur
> >> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive
> >> >> monies
> >> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
> >> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
> >> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal
> >> >> to
> >> >> investigate and follow the money)
> >> >>
> >> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
> >> >> bench in 2011.
> >> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
> >> >>
> >> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
> >> >> the
> >> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
> >> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically
> >> >> been
> >> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been
> >> >> physically
> >> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
> >> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
> >> >> actually
> >> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
> >> >> after
> >> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
> >> >> Court
> >> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and
> >> >> then
> >> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
> >> >> submit
> >> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
> >> >> area
> >> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri
> >> >> Alok
> >> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
> >> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually
> >> >> incorrect
> >> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the
> >> >> bona
> >> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
> >> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make
> >> >> any
> >> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied.
> >> >> Applicant
> >> >> /
> >> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis
> >> >> only
> >> >> to
> >> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant
> >> >> case
> >> >> it
> >> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
> >> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed
> >> >> the
> >> >> true picture.
> >> >>
> >> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
> >> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have
> >> >> acted
> >> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity.
> >> >> Earlier
> >> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
> >> >> (1998)
> >> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
> >> >> and
> >> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
> >> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim
> >> >> orders
> >> >> of
> >> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
> >> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
> >> >> assured
> >> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
> >> >> cause
> >> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able
> >> >> to
> >> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as
> >> >> that
> >> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd
> >> >> chapters
> >> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
> >> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
> >> >>
> >> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
> >> >> give
> >> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
> >> >> her
> >> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are
> >> >> her
> >> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional
> >> >> petticoats)
> >> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005
> >> >> was
> >> >> drafted by them)
> >> >>
> >> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
> >> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ?
> >> >> Because
> >> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off"
> >> >> R&D
> >> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it.
> >> >> And
> >> >> yet
> >> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
> >> >> eventually - till then read these).
> >> >>
> >> >> *Links (further reading)*:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> *National Convenor
> >> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
> >> >> *
> >> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hullo,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
> >> >> > citizens who go public)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a
> >> >> > TISS
> >> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
> >> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
> >> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu'
> >> >> > hilltops
> >> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens
> >> >> > till
> >> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
> >> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
> >> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Joya (Mashi)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Dear Friends
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
> >> >> >> Medha
> >> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist)
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection
> >> >> >> of.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
> >> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
> >> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
> >> >> >> Magsaysay
> >> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> views
> >> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt
> >> >> >> people.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I
> >> >> >> couldn't
> >> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
> >> >> >> worth
> >> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
> >> >> >> foreign
> >> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
> >> >> Aruna
> >> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to
> >> >> >> those
> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was
> >> >> >> offended.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being
> >> >> >> communicated
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money
> >> >> >> obsessed
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but
> >> >> >> Anna
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons)
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of
> >> >> >> grassroots
> >> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
> >> >> >> Since
> >> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
> >> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
> >> >> >> researchers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
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> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > *It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
> >> > society.
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > - J. Krishnamurti
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Sujit Patwardhan
> >> > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com
> >> > sujit@parisar.org <sujitjp@gmail.com>
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India
> >> > Tel: +91 20 25537955
> >> > Cell: +91 98220 26627
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Blog: http://motif.posterous.com/
> >> > Parisar: www.parisar.org
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> SurajParkash
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> >
>
>
> --
> SurajParkash
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> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> CC: tutejasp@gmail.com
> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>
> Dear Mr navnith
>
> Though I am nobody to take or influence any decision in the IAC, just
> a serious person eager to eradication corruption everywhere, but if
> you think with cool mind that even if what you state is 50 % or even
> more correct, why should any agitation for eradication of corruptions
> throw away even such supporters and make them a shouting enemy ?
>
> Sonia, Manmohan Singh, Digvijay, and many others in Congress or others
> else where also loudly acclaim to end corruptions, every knows what
> actually they mean and practice, but nobody asks them to keep away.
> Why shun Medha Patkar, who is at least fighting along the right
> thinking people.
>
> What we should endeavour at the present time is not to shun
> supporters, but to gather support from all people to mount pressure on
> the Govt to pass the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and not the mischief scrap of
> paper called Lok Pal Bill as passed by the Lok Sabha.
>
> Every one everywhere gives his time and energy for some of the other
> of his personal gains, even if it is name and fame, so did Mahatma,
> Jawahar, for rightful cause, and now Sonia, DigVijay for wrongful
> cause why single out Medha Patkar who is - at least to your thinking -
> on the right side to erradicate corruption. Let us not diffuse the
> greatly neeeded agitation for a right cause, and send out wrong
> signals for the intentions of the present supporters, and give a lever
> in hands of Govt for example while thousands of other pharmaceutical
> are really manufacturing rotten medicines, but Govt singling out
> RamDev for multiple extended Govt enquiries for so alleged spurious
> medicines, to disrrupt the greatly needed cause and agitation. Kindly
> think with wider preospective.
>
> Respectfully yours
>
> SurajParkash
>
>
>
> On 11/17/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I commented on Medha,I never thought I am in the company of some
> > intolerant people.I do not think I have used any abusive words against Medha
> > for some to get excited over it and call it blasphemy.Does any one think
> > that her NBA came a cropper just because of a split decision by the SC ? If
> > that is the case every Andolan can be scuttled by a HC or SC.I think she is
> > a professional agitator like a professional politician.She did not feel the
> > pulse of the people and depended on support from abroad.I feel NBA became a
> > failure because of her.
> > Such people go around looking for agitations, what ever may be the cause,
> > for publicity .She wants only a platform and is always in search of one.
> > From where she gets her funds and I am sure it is not from those Narmada
> > evacuees.I do agree that many people like me have no time to be a full time
> > professional agitator like her.I have seen her in southern states also
> > giving big speeches without any idea of the problems.
> > Where was she when Anna and Arvind started their agitation? If Anna gives
> > way too much to her as I see from TV,she trying to take over,,his agitation
> > also will end up like NBA.That is my worry.
> > Corruption is a big issue in this country.Anna and Arvind are doing good in
> > their own way.At the same time this agitation should not be allowed to be
> > hijacked by people like Medha.
> >
> >
> >
> > navnith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
> >> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
> >> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
> >>
> >> Dear friends :
> >>
> >> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
> >> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
> >> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
> >> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
> >> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
> >>
> >> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
> >> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
> >> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
> >>
> >> SurajParkash
> >>
> >> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You are right.
> >> >
> >> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> >> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint
> >> > I
> >> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption,
> >> > Inequity
> >> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper
> >> > due
> >> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
> >> > Supreme Court)".
> >> >
> >> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> >> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see
> >> > for
> >> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
> >> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
> >> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and
> >> > maturity
> >> > to avoid that.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sujit
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> >> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
> >> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies
> >> >> 9of
> >> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
> >> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
> >> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the
> >> >> father
> >> >> of the nation...
> >> >>
> >> >> KUMAR
> >> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
> >> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same
> >> >> coin.After
> >> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
> >> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is
> >> >> better
> >> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
> >> >>
> >> >> *navnith*
> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
> >> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> >> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Joya Mashi
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
> >> >> Wouldn't
> >> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
> >> >> Anyway,
> >> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
> >> >>
> >> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
> >> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest
> >> >> in
> >> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the
> >> >> donors
> >> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil
> >> >> society"
> >> >> as
> >> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical
> >> >> democracy.
> >> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
> >> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong
> >> >> -
> >> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
> >> >>
> >> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim
> >> >> about
> >> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her
> >> >> getting
> >> >> a
> >> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such
> >> >> as
> >> >> at here
> >> >>
> >> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
> >> >> target
> >> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
> >> >> out
> >> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA
> >> >> was
> >> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
> >> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
> >> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing
> >> >> debate.
> >> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled
> >> >> Singur
> >> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive
> >> >> monies
> >> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
> >> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
> >> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal
> >> >> to
> >> >> investigate and follow the money)
> >> >>
> >> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
> >> >> bench in 2011.
> >> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
> >> >>
> >> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
> >> >> the
> >> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
> >> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically
> >> >> been
> >> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been
> >> >> physically
> >> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
> >> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
> >> >> actually
> >> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
> >> >> after
> >> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
> >> >> Court
> >> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and
> >> >> then
> >> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
> >> >> submit
> >> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
> >> >> area
> >> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri
> >> >> Alok
> >> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
> >> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually
> >> >> incorrect
> >> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the
> >> >> bona
> >> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
> >> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make
> >> >> any
> >> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied.
> >> >> Applicant
> >> >> /
> >> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis
> >> >> only
> >> >> to
> >> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant
> >> >> case
> >> >> it
> >> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
> >> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed
> >> >> the
> >> >> true picture.
> >> >>
> >> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
> >> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have
> >> >> acted
> >> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity.
> >> >> Earlier
> >> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
> >> >> (1998)
> >> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
> >> >> and
> >> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
> >> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim
> >> >> orders
> >> >> of
> >> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
> >> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
> >> >> assured
> >> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
> >> >> cause
> >> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able
> >> >> to
> >> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as
> >> >> that
> >> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd
> >> >> chapters
> >> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
> >> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
> >> >>
> >> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
> >> >> give
> >> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
> >> >> her
> >> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are
> >> >> her
> >> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional
> >> >> petticoats)
> >> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005
> >> >> was
> >> >> drafted by them)
> >> >>
> >> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
> >> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ?
> >> >> Because
> >> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off"
> >> >> R&D
> >> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it.
> >> >> And
> >> >> yet
> >> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
> >> >> eventually - till then read these).
> >> >>
> >> >> *Links (further reading)*:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> *National Convenor
> >> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
> >> >> *
> >> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hullo,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
> >> >> > citizens who go public)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a
> >> >> > TISS
> >> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
> >> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
> >> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu'
> >> >> > hilltops
> >> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens
> >> >> > till
> >> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
> >> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
> >> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Joya (Mashi)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Dear Friends
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
> >> >> >> Medha
> >> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist)
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection
> >> >> >> of.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
> >> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
> >> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
> >> >> >> Magsaysay
> >> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> views
> >> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt
> >> >> >> people.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I
> >> >> >> couldn't
> >> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
> >> >> >> worth
> >> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
> >> >> >> foreign
> >> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
> >> >> Aruna
> >> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to
> >> >> >> those
> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was
> >> >> >> offended.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being
> >> >> >> communicated
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money
> >> >> >> obsessed
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but
> >> >> >> Anna
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons)
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of
> >> >> >> grassroots
> >> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
> >> >> >> Since
> >> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
> >> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
> >> >> >> researchers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
> >> >> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
> >> >> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > *It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
> >> > society.
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > - J. Krishnamurti
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Sujit Patwardhan
> >> > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com
> >> > sujit@parisar.org <sujitjp@gmail.com>
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India
> >> > Tel: +91 20 25537955
> >> > Cell: +91 98220 26627
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Blog: http://motif.posterous.com/
> >> > Parisar: www.parisar.org
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> SurajParkash
> >> 9315879780
> >> Export Import Consortium
> >> 38 Azad Nagar, Jagadhri Road,
> >> Ambala Cantt. 133006
> >> India
> >
>
>
> --
> SurajParkash
> 9315879780
> Export Import Consortium
> 38 Azad Nagar, Jagadhri Road,
> Ambala Cantt. 133006
> India
Re: [IAC++] Apology to navnith
:) Right as far as Anna's efforts are concerned, guess some have objectives to follow, and others the subjectivity.
Sorry for adverse response, I guess, I wasn't too wanting, as I think, that we need to respect all and perceive widely to get a balanced picture of it all.
Will the revolution move on?
Pradeep Bajaj
When I commented on Medha,I never thought I am in the company of some intolerant people.I do not think I have used any abusive words against Medha for some to get excited over it and call it blasphemy.Does any one think that her NBA came a cropper just because of a split decision by the SC ? If that is the case every Andolan can be scuttled by a HC or SC.I think she is a professional agitator like a professional politician.She did not feel the pulse of the people and depended on support from abroad.I feel NBA became a failure because of her.
Such people go around looking for agitations, what ever may be the cause, for publicity .She wants only a platform and is always in search of one. From where she gets her funds and I am sure it is not from those Narmada evacuees.I do agree that many people like me have no time to be a full time professional agitator like her.I have seen her in southern states also giving big speeches without any idea of the problems.
Where was she when Anna and Arvind started their agitation? If Anna gives way too much to her as I see from TV,she trying to take over,,his agitation also will end up like NBA.That is my worry.
Corruption is a big issue in this country.Anna and Arvind are doing good in their own way.At the same time this agitation should not be allowed to be hijacked by people like Medha.
navnith
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>
> Dear friends :
>
> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
>
> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
>
> SurajParkash
>
> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are right.
> >
> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint I
> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption, Inequity
> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper due
> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
> > Supreme Court)".
> >
> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see for
> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and maturity
> > to avoid that.
> >
> > --
> > Sujit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
> >
> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies 9of
> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the father
> >> of the nation...
> >>
> >> KUMAR
> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >>
> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same coin.After
> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is better
> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
> >>
> >> *navnith*
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >>
> >> Hi Joya Mashi
> >>
> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
> >> Wouldn't
> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
> >> Anyway,
> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
> >>
> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest in
> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the donors
> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil society"
> >> as
> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical democracy.
> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong -
> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
> >>
> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim about
> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her getting
> >> a
> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such as
> >> at here
> >>
> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
> >>
> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
> >> target
> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
> >>
> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
> >> out
> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA was
> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing debate.
> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled Singur
> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive monies
> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal to
> >> investigate and follow the money)
> >>
> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
> >> bench in 2011.
> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
> >>
> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
> >> the
> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically been
> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894 could
> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been physically
> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
> >> could
> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
> >> actually
> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
> >> after
> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
> >> Court
> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and then
> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
> >> submit
> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
> >> area
> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri Alok
> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually incorrect
> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the bona
> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make any
> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied. Applicant
> >> /
> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis only
> >> to
> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant case
> >> it
> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed the
> >> true picture.
> >>
> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have acted
> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity. Earlier
> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
> >> (1998)
> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan and
> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim orders
> >> of
> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
> >> assured
> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
> >> cause
> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able to
> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
> >>
> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as that
> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd chapters
> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
> >>
> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
> >> give
> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
> >> her
> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are her
> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional petticoats)
> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005 was
> >> drafted by them)
> >>
> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ? Because
> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off" R&D
> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it. And
> >> yet
> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
> >> eventually - till then read these).
> >>
> >> *Links (further reading)*:
> >>
> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
> >>
> >> Sarbajit
> >> *National Convenor
> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
> >> *
> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hullo,
> >> >
> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
> >> > citizens who go public)?
> >> >
> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a TISS
> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer I
> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu' hilltops
> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
> >> >
> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens till
> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you should
> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
> >> >
> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
> >> >
> >> > Joya (Mashi)
> >> >
> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Dear Friends
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
> >> >> Medha
> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
> >> >> people
> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist) to
> >> >> my
> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
> >> >>
> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection of.
> >> >>
> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
> >> >> Magsaysay
> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she was
> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows my
> >> >> views
> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt people.
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I couldn't
> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
> >> >> worth
> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
> >> >>
> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
> >> >>
> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
> >> >>
> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
> >> >> foreign
> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
> >> Aruna
> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to those
> >> >> who
> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was offended.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being communicated
> >> >> in
> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
> >> >>
> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money obsessed
> >> >> and
> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but Anna
> >> >> and
> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons) are
> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of grassroots
> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
> >> >> Since
> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
> >> >> should
> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
> >> >> researchers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting
friends, with due respect and utmost humbleness i say that please treat IAC as family and contribute rather than making it grivence cell. as you rightly said IAC cannot reach to every local issues.hence each of us should work on the issues which affect us and where we can contribute to the growth of IAC. the IAC shsll guide and support the actvist. it is th eonly way to grow. a bunch of senior activist cannot reach every where even if they intend to do so. hence each of us should shoulder the responsiblity rather than expecting IAC to take our responsiblity. the platform of IAC to solve the local issues would go along way. i have furnished copy of the objections raised before MERC for the illegal increase of tariff by BEST undertaking by transferring of lossues incurrec by transport division. the copy is also addressed to MG in person. copy is annexed here also the last date of obejection filing is 21 nov. there is public hearing on 29 nov since 10.45. i request to send this draft to all the IAC activists to file their objections personall by hard copy. if not possible at least by mail. it would be great if all of us could attend the public hearing on 29NOV to create public show of anger against the dubious manner in which the lectric consumenr is looted by BEST. please inform me the action taken in the matter to create awareness amongst our activists. i letter from IAC endorsing the objection could also make a difference. with regards --- On Sun, 18/11/12, Raunak Maheshwari <raunak.maheshwari@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting
Very true, IAC provides a platform and empowers people to manage their problems.
Mohan K
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Raunak Maheshwari <raunak.maheshwari@gmail.com> wrote:
Replied to you on the FB post as well,In IAC you are free to fill the gap you find. Local Issues are being taken/are to be taken up by local chapters. MG, AD and PV cannot be aware of all local issues. IAC is a platform of empowerment rather than dealership. IAC will support, empower, guide, provide a platform for the local people to come together and solve their problems. We are not like other political parties.To close, feel free to fill the gap.
Raunak Maheshwari
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM, false <jitu11in@yahoo.com> wrote:
In response to my messages on different websites regarding IAC needs to take up local issues directly affecting Aam Aadmi since no other regular party is bothered about, i was invited by one Mr. Bhavesh of Santacruz east IAC, to attend their Janta Darbar today 1pm at Sita Sindhua Hall, Santaxruz east.
Followings r my good and bad observations about working and functioning of IAC, some points were encouraging but others were utter disastrous and caused total disillusionment on other aspects.
First i would talk about good observations, these r to encourage more people to join the movement which is only hope and in good direct as far as national and to some extend state level issues r concern.
1. Systematic registration of new members that were coming for first time. It was disclosed that in every meeting more than half r new members.
2. Star speakers Mayank gave some information on the subject and future course of action on the issues that r in hands of IAC as of now.
3. regular meetings being held every week at different locations in Mumbai to keep the momentum going.
4. Regular support and donations in the form of kind coming for all future programs.
5. I appreciate what Mayank made it clear that IAC is not for personal issues.
Now i would come to equally important bad points which need introspection, retrospection for having improvement and as IAC is no different or even worst than other political parties.
1. No discipline a) time given was 1pm but people strated turning up late and so speech started at 2.pm. Do people coming in time have time to waste.
b.)It is called a Aam Aadmi party but 3 Star Speaker Anjali Damani, Praful Vora and Mayank Gandhi, left immediately after completing their speech, with out bothering to lisen to other member of pubic that has come over there to speak and share what they wish to say. This is utter disrespect to Aam Aadmi. If this is the attitude even before their become any celebrity, imagine how they would behave later or may not be any different from any of the other existing Neta;s that we have today. Following them, many members of public also left, as if they all come to lisen to some vital information that they were expecting that their Neta;s would be sharing with them.
2. There was nothing substantial in the speech that Ms. Anjali and Mr. Vora gave, All facts that they kept on elaborating r known to every alert citizen who is hearing them for last few years or months now everyday in every News channel. They were just pulling their speech to kill time, which was quite boring and may be that is the reason, in every subsequent meetings the number of old members if just half.
3. The most important issue for which i was invited. Local issue of public interest. It seem like all other political parties, even IAC has no value for local issues. So what way it claim to be different alternative from existing parties. It seem that Mr. Bhavesh intention to invited me seem to just he wish to add me as one more person in audiences without having any respect for the public issues which i wanted to address. Anyway after waiting for 2 and half hour i felt like leaving without referring to what i had come for, but then i though, before i leave, lets complete the job of taking the message across may be before just half the audience, who infect had no important role to play in policy decisions. Anyway, exactly as per my what past experience had though me that here r people who r just looking for self glory and least bothered for Aam Aadmi issues. I took off 3 hours from my busy schedule not for any personal problem or issue but because i had expected that IAC could be only alternative to take the issue across the mass as the issues which i wanted to refer r connected with Corporates ( Mobile operators radiation and Tata illegal possession of lakes without any revenue contribution to nation ) and media fails to take the cognizant of these issues because of their commercial interest of loss of Ad revenue, politicians seem to be sold out, RTI r not replied since even govt has no records because no land survey had been conducted or in case of Radiation even if BMC made tall claims but we cannot trust them and citizen monitoring and building pressure is required. But it seem all is just a dream as leadership of IAC seem to be just targeting DELHI but surely they would fail even in this as if they r neglecting local aam aadmi and his local issues.No doubt it is this neglect that there r just 100/200 people attending their meeting who also get disillusion and fail to return again in next meeting.
In the end i could say, Mayank doing good job and it may be difficult to find his replacement but he needs to change his attitude and neglect of basic issues
My analysis need to be taken in right sprite. i do not hold any personal Vedanta against anyone. I took this pain to pen them down because as i said earlier, this is possibly the only hope after long time so if positive correction is made timely, possibly we may not see this party suffering from it ills.rgds,Jitendra Gupta
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