साथियो हम हार मानने वाले और हिम्मत हारने वाले नहीं है अलीगढ में हमारा ट्रेप ग्रुप अब इन बेईमानो से सड़क की लड़ाई की तैयारी कर रहा है और बहुत जल्दी ही हम आप सभी को इस कार्यक्रम के प्रारम्भ करने की सूचना देने वाले है हम होंगे कामयाब एक दिन Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Sun, 24/4/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Sunday, April 24, 2011
Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum- ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
[HumJanenge] Re: Lokpal- Gateway to the Promised World ?
My submission and appeal to the Jan Lokpal Bill Drafting Committee is:
Firstly, there are provision in every anti-graft enactment that the Government's (including PM/CM/President/State/Center/Governor/Chief justice of SC/HC etc.) is required to initiate action against the persons from the rank of Joint Secretary and above. This Is main cause that the corruption is taken such a high habitation among these officers. This unchecked trend has taken its root so deep that each one of these persons are fully protected by each one of these other persons. If Government do not give permission, no case can be instituted against any such person.
It is my demand that all such provisions from the all anti-graft enactments may immediately be withdrawn by the notifications and the CVC and the vigilance authorities may be given free hand to nab all these persons and all of them should be tried and punished.
Secondly, there is no provision to attach the properties so acquired from the graft-money. In may graft cases there is no loss to exchequer, as the government's fees duly deposited, e.g., in case of recruitments, millions are usurped from the public for giving them appointment or out of turn allotments and other such numerous cases. Money/property so acquired by an authority is no financial loss to government. As such it is not recoverable. Take for example, Ramalinga Raju usurped 7700 crores from the Satyam and happily went to jail. Maximum Punishment – 7 years. After that all the money is Raju's legal money and his many generations can live without working.
I demand that all the monies/properties so created should be identified and should be returned to bonafide owners or treated as national assets.
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[HumJanenge] Why Santosh Hegde MUST quit !!!
your opinion, then perhaps you have an answer as to which side they are inclined towards and what are their selfish considerations that would benefit them."
S. Anoop Kumar.
Date: Apr 24, 5:03 pm
Subject: Why Santosh Hegde MUST quit !!!
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005
Dear Mr. Sarabjit Roy,
If the civil society members in the draft committee are unbiased in
your opinion, then perhaps you have an answer as to which side they
are inclined towards and what are their selfish considerations that
would benefit them.
You are disputing the very essence of Lok Pal Bill when majority of
Indians are thinking that Lok Pal is what is required and we are
already late in having such a law in place. And majority Indians
think, wish, hope and pray that such a bill would bring in some change
in governance, responsibility and accountability in governance and
delivery mechanism.
And regarding the other alternatives to the Lok Pal Bill quoted by
you, you know for sure they are not practical and implementable and
still you suggest them. I see a day dreamer in you. It clearly
appears you are personally against a set of people and you fail to see
the good intentions of these people. And you will oppose anything
and everything these people would attempt to do. Just for the sake of
opposing. Even if they can bring in some good to the society.
Regards,
S. Anoop Kumar.
On Apr 24, 11:43 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum- ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
YOU HAVE RIGHTLY STATED IN YOUR MESSAGE THAT JAICHAND &
MIR JAFAER BOTH WERE & EVEN NOW ARE IN OUR SOCIETY.
'' KUTTE BHONKTE RAHEN KAFILA CHALTA RAHE''
REGARDS
DR. JN SHARMA
On 4/24/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Vinod Pandya ji,
> main aapke jajbe ki kadra karataa huin. See, during the freedom movement,
> there were some persons who were on the other side for pecunary gains but we
> finally won the freedon. Jai Chand aur Mir Jafar isi desh main huain hai
> lekin aapne unka hashra bhi padha hoga.
>
> Khemani ji, himmat haarane ki jaroorat nahin hai, sub chalta hai lekin uppar
> wale per bharosa rakho. After Lokpal, electrol reforms, bringing back of
> stashed money, ratification of agreement with UNO on money parked in foreign
> banks will be high on agenda. Faulty election process is the main reasion
> of political corruption. If all these are succefssfully undertaken, the
> povery of our country will be allivated and v will march towards the rapid
> growth on the way of becoming number top, developed and powerful nation in
> the world.
> Mahatma Gandhi recited "Sabko Sadbudhi de bhagwan".
>
> --- On Sun, 24/4/11, vinod pandya <vinod_pandya20@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>
> From: vinod pandya <vinod_pandya20@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum-
> ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 24 April, 2011, 4:39 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> for dear khemaniji
> why are u depresed ? is deshme jub tak insa jinda hai ,
> insaniyat jinda hai,hum aur ap jaise lakho activist desh
> ke liye kuchh bhi balidan dene ke liya taiyar baithe hai
> lakho yuva aj jan andolan ke liye subkuchh chhod ke bahar aye hai
> aise khushi ke mahol me to desh ke liye hasate hasate marane ki
> khushi honi chahiye mere yaar .chinta chhodane ka ye vakta hai
> kuchh kar dikhane ka ye vakta hai kyoki aise vakta jindgi me
> bahut kum ate hai.jyada sochho mat lage raho aj se anevali kal ko
> aur achhy banae bina hum mar bhi nahi payenge
> regards
> Vinod Pandya
> 9825551238
>
> --- On Thu, 21/4/11, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum-
> ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
> To: "Bimal Khemani" <bimal.khemani@gmail.com>, "DSouza Wilberious Evanglist"
> <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Jagnarain Sharma"
> <jagnarain.sharma@gmail.com>, "virender johar" <virender.johar@gmail.com>,
> "Sandeep Jalan" <legallyspeaking.jalan@gmail.com>, ramdasnaikadv@gmail.com,
> sabhapathiur@gmail.com, majorravi@gmail.com, vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in,
> "Santosh Nargund" <spnargund@yahoo.com>, "urvashi sharma"
> <aishwaryaj.hpage@gmail.com>, "Abhimanyu" <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>,
> "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>, "Manoj Pai"
> <manojpai@yahoo.com>, "Dr.V.N. Sharma" <vnsh44@gmail.com>,
> parivartan_india@rediffmail.com, kabir.rti@gmail.com, ash.aswathi@gmail.com,
> info@annahazare.org, "Karmayog.org" <info@karmayog.org>, "Krishnaraj Rao"
> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 5:42 PM
>
>
>
> Bimalji,
> To kya kiya jai?Hathyaar daal diye jain?
> Regards
> Urvi
>
>
>
> From: Bimal Khemani
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
> To: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
> Cc: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com ; Urvi Sukul Singh ; Jagnarain Sharma ;
> virender johar ; Sandeep Jalan ; ramdasnaikadv@gmail.com ;
> sabhapathiur@gmail.com ; majorravi@gmail.com ; vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in ;
> Santosh Nargund ; urvashi sharma ; Abhimanyu ; Bhaskar Prabhu ; Manoj Pai ;
> Dr.V.N. Sharma ; parivartan_india@rediffmail.com ; kabir.rti@gmail.com ;
> ash.aswathi@gmail.com ; info@annahazare.org ; Karmayog.org ; Krishnaraj Rao
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum-
> ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
>
>
> Friends
> I am very sure, these politicians will do any thing to stop the LOKPAL bill
> to be passed
>
> BIMAL KUMAR KHEMANI,
> TRAP group of RTI activists
> ALIGARH (U.P.)
> Mob:09359724625
> ******************************************
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> *****************************************
>
>
>
> On 21 April 2011 15:07, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ms. Singh,
>
> I shall do so. For it is time people of India chose a Commissioner of People
> (LokPal) by themselves. Profile of the candidate should be made public on
> internet newspapers. Person should be erudite in law & constitution as this
> person will make President, Governors all states, CJIs of Supreme Court of
> India & all High Courts accountable to People of India with he or she by
> himself or herself accountable to People of India.
>
> About 4 years ago I had suggested to then Election Commissioner Navin Chawla
> of issuing smart card ids to all citizens of India eligible to vote & using
> by suitable interfacing with ATM networks all over the country, to be
> coordinated by National Informatics Centre of Government of India so that
> entire nation votes for assembly & Parliament election simultaneously on a
> single day, with results out on the very next day. No reply has been
> received yet. This would save billions of Rupees to nation. Nandan Nilekani
> headed UID project is least heard nowadays.
>
> Similar means can be adapted for referendum for election of Lokpal as he/she
> will not be obliged to any executive of this country (executive having the
> same connotation as found in Art 12 of The Constitution of India). He/she
> shall be a true Commissioner/ess of The People of India, free, fair,
> equitable & fearless. Accountability to People of India should exist
> otherwise it would be a paradox of when one becomes Prabhu of Praja, he/she
> ceases to be Praja for ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!
>
> Similar process should have been adopted in appointment of CICs & SICs as
> well as State Lokayuktas. We would not have had unskilled workers
> quarrelling with tools. Nor failed dentists or Tehsildars being elevated to
> SICs E.g. Dr S.M.Krishna SIC Karnataka. Or Do as I say but Don't Do What I
> Do Lokayukta of Karnataka Justice K.S.Hegde!
>
> Regards,
> WEDS
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011, 0:11
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum-
> ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
>
>
>
> Do send this suggestion to the India Against Corruption webpage.They are
> co-ordinating the Lokpal effort.I am with you on this.
> Regards
> Urvi
>
>
>
>
> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:28 PM
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com ; Dr.V.N. Sharma ;
> bimal.khemani@gmail.com ; Jagnarain Sharma ; majorravi@gmail.com ;
> usukulsingh@hotmail.com ; urvashi sharma ; Santosh Nargund ; Krishnaraj Rao
> Subject: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum-
> ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Dr. Sharma,
>
> Lokpal should be appointed by a referendum to people of India & Lokpal bill
> should include Prez, Governors of State, PM, Ministers & CJI of Suprememe
> Court & High Courts too. The candidates profile should be made public prior
> to referendum.
>
> Regards,
> WEDS
>
>
> From: Dr.V.N. Sharma <vnsh44@gmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 10 April 2011, 11:38
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Fwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
>
>
>
> The Attached Article is a good one on Anna Hazare euphoria against
> corruption. It requires attention as to what this phenomena meant to Aam
> Aadmi of this country and what is the role of the corrupt so called Civil
> Society and externally funded NGOs and their corrupt representatives who
> were surrounding Anna and who represented the people of India in
> negotiations with corrupt ministers. Do we have to be careful?
>
>
> This should be widely debated amongst the positive thinkers and Social
> Activists and necessary conclusion drawn as to how effective this movement
> against corruption will be. Does the positioning of a Jan Lokpal ensures
> warding off corruption from Head of the Govt. down to the local Babu level?
> The present arrangement seem to go up one more level from CBI to CVC and now
> Jan Lok pal. Whosoever appointed a CVC recently (removed by an SC Order)
> remains empowered to appoint a Jan Lokpal too. The PM knows nothing on any
> matter from price rise to price control to corruption by his party men,
> ministers and members of Parliament.
> Holding a well funded election for individual candidate at a given frequency
> indicates existence of Democracy- in Prajatantra mode, not in a Jantantra
> mode. What do the people expect from such TV and SMS publicised election. Is
> it that no social or political scientist or a politician sees this as a -ve
> change. For Parliamentarians and Legislatures it provides a good opportunity
> to remain aloof from the voters and make money through underhand deals as
> much as they can.
>
> --
>
>
> Dr.V.N.Sharma
> Cell No.9431102680,
> Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
> Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)
> &
> Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
[HumJanenge] Why Santosh Hegde MUST quit !!!
If the civil society members in the draft committee are unbiased in
your opinion, then perhaps you have an answer as to which side they
are inclined towards and what are their selfish considerations that
would benefit them.
You are disputing the very essence of Lok Pal Bill when majority of
Indians are thinking that Lok Pal is what is required and we are
already late in having such a law in place. And majority Indians
think, wish, hope and pray that such a bill would bring in some change
in governance, responsibility and accountability in governance and
delivery mechanism.
And regarding the other alternatives to the Lok Pal Bill quoted by
you, you know for sure they are not practical and implementable and
still you suggest them. I see a day dreamer in you. It clearly
appears you are personally against a set of people and you fail to see
the good intentions of these people. And you will oppose anything
and everything these people would attempt to do. Just for the sake of
opposing. Even if they can bring in some good to the society.
Regards,
S. Anoop Kumar.
On Apr 24, 11:43 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Anoop Kumar
>
> 1) I dispute that Anna Hazare and his nominees constitute or represent civil
> society.
> If we examine the 5, we find that each and every one of them is a former
> public servant or the progeny. Wouls any reasonable person classify this as
> an unbiased panel.
>
> 2) I dispute that we need a LokPal to tackle corruption in the country. What
> we need is a Constitutional amendment making military service compulsory for
> every citizen below the age of 30 for "x" number of years. What we need is a
> movement to throw out / exterminate the foreign parasites and their progeny
> who drain our national resources like leeches. What we need is a
> constitutional amendment bestowing the right on each citizen to bear arms /
> alternatively the repeal of the Arms Act. What we need is honest and
> autonomous police forces. What we need is for corrupt advocates and judges
> to be strung up from the nearest lamppost. What we need is a complete repeal
> of the Representation of the Peoples Act so that a citizen can only be an MP
> / MLA for 1 term. The wishlist can go on and on. So stop dreaming and start
> living.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, S. Anoop Kumar <s.anoopku...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dear Mr. Sarabjit Roy,
>
> > I have been reading your messages which are mostly Anna bashing or
> > bashing of the other draft committee members of the proposed Lok Pall
> > Bill representing the civil society, that is us. Mr. Anna Hazare,
> > Mr. Santosh Hegde, Mr. Arvind Kejriwal, Mr. Shashi Bhushan and Mr.
> > Prashant Bhushan are only members of the committee drafting the
> > proposed Lok Pal bill. They are neither offered any constitution
> > post nor they are aspiring for one. Mr. Santosh Hegde served as
> > Judge of Supreme Court of India and is now Lok Ayuktha of Karnataka
> > and due to retire soon.
>
> > It is a foregone conclusion that India, now considered as one of the
> > most corrupt nations, needs a strong anti corruption law, the law
> > which can be enforceable, swift, fast and result oriented. For which
> > we need to have a strong bill. A deterrent in the first place. The
> > bill which is devoid of any short comings and loop holes which would
> > be conveniently exploited to their advantage by the mighty and
> > powerful. In short, we do not need just another bill which is just
> > seen or read on papers but remains absolutely unenforceable or
> > powerless. The toothless tiger.
>
> > Mr. Shashi Bhushan has been advocating a strong Lok Pal Bill for the
> > past 40 years. He understand the dynamics of both politics and also
> > law. Mr. Prashant Bhushan and also Santosh Hegde are other legal
> > luminaries. Added with social activists like Mr. Anna Hazare and Mr.
> > Arvind Kejriwal in the committee, we can atleast hope for a strong and
> > enforceable bill that would protect the interests of the citizens of
> > our nation.
>
> > Instead of criticizing the draft committee members, and every other
> > who is supporting the Lok Pal Bill, I wish you concentrate on the
> > draft bill with constructive suggestions to make it effective and free
> > from errors or legal loop holes, get it tabled before the parliament
> > houses and also get it passed. This would be a great contribution
> > from your side. To us as a nation and to our coming generations.
>
> > Regards,
> > S. Anoop Kumar.
>
> > On Apr 23, 6:22 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Sankar
>
> > > As I have already asked the concerned Ministry, I need to know why say
> > > Mr Shanti Bhushan or Mr Anna Hazare is "cleaner" than me. Or
> > > conversely why I am "dirtier" / "blacker" than they are. It is only
> > > when every clean and honest citizen of India starts formally demanding
> > > to know these things (as we are entitled to demand to know in law)
> > > that there will be transparency in public appointments and clean
> > > people will be selected.
>
> > > Tomorrow if DoPT suggests Mr Shanti Bhushan or Mr Anna Hazare as
> > > Chief Vigilance Commissioner should we accept this like little sheep ?
>
> > > Sarbajit
>
> > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Sankar Pani
>
> > > <sankarprasadp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > could u please suggest few names who do not have any allegation and are
> > > > absolutely clean and perfect also have competency. It would be better
> > in the
> > > > interest of the nation if you have anything to the contents of the bill
> > else
> > > > will just frustrate the purpose of your dream of absolute corruption
> > free
> > > > nation.
>
> > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:43 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >> Your statements are grossly objectionable.
>
> > > >> 1) It is EASY to find competent people who are absolutely
> > > >> incorruptible and without any credible allegations against them.
>
> > > >> 2) The issue is not about the LokPak Bill's contents or the fashion
> > > >> it is brought about, BUT about the NEED for it in the first place.
>
> > > >> 3) Why should we the people of India settle for "RELATIVELY
> > > >> LESS CORRUPT or CONTROVERSIAL PEOPLE" ??
> > > >> You should reconsider the wisdom of statements you make in a
> > > >> public forum.,
>
> > > >> Sarbajit
>
> > > >> On Apr 22, 8:56 am, Sankar Pani <sankarprasadp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > If we start finding faults with each and every person, then only god
> > if
> > > >> > any
> > > >> > will be eligible in your scale to the Drafting committee.At the
> > present
> > > >> > juncture we can choose relatively less corrupt or less controversial
> > > >> > people
> > > >> > but never possible to find a person who do not have any such
> > allegation.
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > me it seems that we have to accept the best in the existing
> > committee
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > and should judge the objective of the committee.
>
> > > >> > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:14 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > > Dear Satishji
>
> > > >> > > For the same reason that a mongoose wants to kill a snake.
>
> > > >> > > Sarbajit
>
> > > >> > > On Apr 22, 8:27 am, Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsat...@yahoo.com>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > Dear Sarbajit
>
> > > >> > > > Why u want to kill drafting committee?
>
> > > >> > > > S.K.Kapoor
>
> > > >> > > > ________________________________
> > > >> > > > sense ?
>
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Sankar Prasad Pani
> > > >> > A-70, Sahidnagar, Bhubaneswar, Orissa
> > > >> > India
> > > >> > PIN-751007
> > > >> > Cell- 9437279278http://environmentalrights-sankar.blogspot.com/
>
> > > > --
> > > > Sankar Prasad Pani
> > > > A-70, Sahidnagar, Bhubaneswar, Orissa
> > > > India
> > > > PIN-751007
> > > > Cell- 9437279278
> > > >http://environmentalrights-sankar.blogspot.com/
Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum- ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
Vinod Pandya ji, main aapke jajbe ki kadra karataa huin. See, during the freedom movement, there were some persons who were on the other side for pecunary gains but we finally won the freedon. Jai Chand aur Mir Jafar isi desh main huain hai lekin aapne unka hashra bhi padha hoga. Khemani ji, himmat haarane ki jaroorat nahin hai, sub chalta hai lekin uppar wale per bharosa rakho. After Lokpal, electrol reforms, bringing back of stashed money, ratification of agreement with UNO on money parked in foreign banks will be high on agenda. Faulty election process is the main reasion of political corruption. If all these are succefssfully undertaken, the povery of our country will be allivated and v will march towards the rapid growth on the way of becoming number top, developed and powerful nation in the world. Mahatma Gandhi recited "Sabko Sadbudhi de bhagwan". --- On Sun, 24/4/11, vinod pandya <vinod_pandya20@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Re: [rti4empowerment] LOKPAL should be appointed by a referendum- ReplyFwd: Anna Hazare- A point of View
| for dear khemaniji why are u depresed ? is deshme jub tak insa jinda hai , insaniyat jinda hai,hum aur ap jaise lakho activist desh ke liye kuchh bhi balidan dene ke liya taiyar baithe hai lakho yuva aj jan andolan ke liye subkuchh chhod ke bahar aye hai aise khushi ke mahol me to desh ke liye hasate hasate marane ki khushi honi chahiye mere yaar .chinta chhodane ka ye vakta hai kuchh kar dikhane ka ye vakta hai kyoki aise vakta jindgi me bahut kum ate hai.jyada sochho mat lage raho aj se anevali kal ko aur achhy banae bina hum mar bhi nahi payenge regards Vinod Pandya 9825551238 --- On Thu, 21/4/11, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:
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