Monday, March 2, 2020

Re: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICE – SINNED OR SINNED AGAINST ?

Dear Prof Natarajan

I suggest that you watch this video from 9:00 mins onwards and see how "Nirbhaya"s male friend shows how she was dying  while Delhi Police had jurisidictional fights as 3 PCR vans fought over which thana the case came under. and No ambulance reached the spot.

Here is another video I took myself of a Delhi Police Sub-Inspector lying bleeding and shot (by his own hand) right outside my home in a post area of Delhi. Incidentally I was the only person who called the Police 100 and described everything, but they reached after 1 hour, Once again no ambulance. Instead of taking their comrade to the nearest hospital only 3 minutes away, they (under instructions)  took him 75 minutes away to AIIMS in dense traffic where he was declared Dead on Arrival. His girirfriend also died 3 hours after reaching AiiMS.

So we residents of this jungle called "National Capital" really don't need foolish / stupid comments from civilised places like Tamil Nadu about how efficient Delhi Police is.

Sarbajit Roy

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 5:48 PM Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com> wrote:
In continuation of my previous email I am just being informed on TV that Nirbhaya rapists will not be hanged tomorrow. Before raising our fingers at the lowly police officers let us hang our heads in shame over the justice delivery system that  'We the Learned' have given ourselves. The same elite among us are vigorously fighting to deny citizenship to the hapless Hindus who were tortured and pushed out of our neighbouring islamic  countries  who do not know the meaning of secularism.

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On Monday, March 2, 2020, 4:22 PM, Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com> wrote:


We know that the root cause and origin  of the violence was the protests mostly by 1 community which gave platform for violent provocation by the most virulent leaders of that community. This is on record. A Goebelish disinformation campaign that CAA was for deportation of that community was spread by the entire opposition to target the PM. The blocking of street by the squatters has violated the fundamental rights of the common citizens  and yet even the Apex court watched this helplessly and has till day avoided a ruling against although it has admittedly spoken against this brazen activity. In this situation it is not fair to blame the police. Only 4 weeks back a lady police officer was beaten up by some goons in front of a Delhi court wearing lawyers' robes. They are still at large as far as we know.Everyone including the judiciary blames the police at the drop of a hat. Pl introspect about the rot. The best illustration of this rot is the Nirbaya case. Place your hand on your heart and say who is responsible for the unconscianable delay in this fast track case. Yet we are paying lip- services to the rights of women. At least the duly elected politicians face judgement of citizens every 5 years. All the others including those spreading disinformation or furthering injustice are immune. The other day one Apex court judge was saying that merely because somebody (read party) won 51% majority it does not mean that the opposition had to keep quiet for the next 5 years. Hence he was supporting street protests in the name of freedom of expression. The learned judge seemed to forget that a law passed by the parliament can be challenged only in the Courts and that there are Constitutional provisions to defeat an elected government through a vote of No Confidence and by amending a law by a due process of voting.
Blaming police is a simplistic myopic approach. Pl do not throw the baby with the bathwater.

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 15:24, Sarbajit Roy
Dear Mr. Venkatraman

Neither of us should hold any brief for Delhi Police or its parent Ministry (Home Affairs) or their political bosses.

Since I, probably unlike you, interact very regularly with top and bottom level officers in Delhi Police, I can say the following with complete confidence in its truth and veracity

1) Delhi Police is now a force for repression, police brutality and used mainly as an instrument of state enforcement. Although it must be said n their defence that most of the brutality videos on Twitter were actually by Central Police Forces taking out their revenge against Muslims for incidents like Phulwama

2) If a Delhi Police SHO has a choice between
   a) registering an FIR for incitement for communal violence, or
   b) locating a missing pet poodle of his CP's wife, he will do the latter everytime

"Meanwhile, Delhi Police has also become sensitive about the issues related to dogs. Now pet owners are easily getting the registrations of missing complaints done at the concerned police stations.

Dependra Pathak, joint commissioner of police and the spokesperson of Delhi Police said: 'Whenever there will be a complaint, FIR will be registered. Be it for a human or an animal. Cops have also been instructed to take action."

3) In the so-called Nirbhaya gang rape case of Dec 2012, the police registered the FIR (backdated) after 48 hours, and only after 3 magistrates somehow extracted in-seriatim the "proper" dying declaration which whitewashed their political master's role in it. (PS: The convicts seem likely to be hanged tomorrow)

4) The primary "business" of  Delhi Police is collection of bribes which are funneled upwards in the chain where everybody has to meet set targets and receives their "points" of it.

5) The ordinary Delhi Policeman on the streets is completely scared nowadays, and is old and unfit with string of medical conditions, is not prepared to work any more and is only cutting time till retirement. All the younger medically fit ones have got themselves assigned as PSO to some neta or VIP duty. Nobody is doing cutting edge investigation anymore and most crimes are solved on basis of informants or motivated complaints. The "Singham" / "Ab tak Chappan" types are anyway all nowadays paid shooters for the 50 odd top criminal gangs which BJP has set up territorywise in Delhi under their councillors. There is no difference now between Bombay mafia and Delhi mafia, and criminals are often better armed than the cops.

6) Delhi Police was completely demoralised after the fight with lawyers when they saw the high-level coverup by the judiciary to protect lawyers, and police realised that they have to depend on these same lawyers to represent them in the courts.

7) All the active operational deployment of DP is for "VIP" duty and VIP routes. Even the cranes for clearing traffic on roads are diverted to VIP route creating compete chaos for all road users

8) Like in 1984, this time also the Delhi Police did not move till they got green light from high level. They all saw what happened to Sanjeev Bhatt after Gujarat 2002.

9) If anybody is to be garlanded for this monumental cockup it is A) AJIT DOVAL NSA and B) ANIL BAIJAL LG of Delhi. No reasonable person would believe they were not part of it and could not control it if they wanted to.

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Sarbajit Roy

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:42 AM Venkatraman Ns <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

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                                                                                                                         DELHI POLICE – SINNED OR SINNED AGAINST ?

                               

Almost all section of Indian media and most of the critics have blamed the Delhi police for the riots for two days ,when many innocent lives were lost and many were injured and large scale  property destruction took place.  However, no one seems to be defending the  approach of the police and police men cannot speak out due to the discipline associated with the job.

However, while police  are blamed   severely, the atrocious acts of  arsonists have not been commented upon much, probably under the impression that arsonists and rioters would be only conducting themselves like this. Only the victims were interviewed and the horror  stories prominently highlighted, to create sensation.

Almost all people seem to agree that the riots were pre planned very well and many think that it was part of international Islamic terrorist movement. Obviously, the violence have been planned to coincide with Trump's visit to teach a lesson or two to Trump and Modi,  who are both hated by the Islamic terrorists.

The critics say that intelligence failure in the police is the root cause for the problem and for police blamed for not making  preventive arrests earlier.

However, it should be noted that Islamic terrorists make clever plans with high level of secrecy and believe in surprise attacks and guerilla tactics.  Even advanced country like USA could not prevent the September,11 attack on twin towers.  Equally, several European countries including Russia which have strong intelligence agencies could not anticipate several violent attacks by terrorists in public  places.

While it may be partly true that there have been intelligence failure by Delhi police, it should be recognized that such inadequate intelligence is not uncommon even in developed countries with sophisticated scientific systems, particularly with regard to intelligence on terrorist acts.

However, one gets an impression that Delhi police could have been generally aware of some disturbance to come and perhaps, this is why police force was in strength in trouble spots during the two days of riots.

In all probability , the police force might have been under instructions to handle the situation carefully and tactfully and as softly as possible , during the two days of President Trump's visit.  Probably , police thought that the riots would not be as severe as it was . On the other hand, if the police had taken strong action   against the arsonists  who are motivated and determined extremists, it would have resulted in shootings . In such case, the same media and critics would have blamed the police in severe terms for brutalities and "mass murder". U N Human Rights Council would have "eloquently" commented about the situation and condemned Delhi police.

Apart from sensation seeking Indian media , there are also section of Western media like BBC,  New York Times and some lobbyists in Western countries who seem to be  all the time looking for negative developments in India, probably  to show case that India as restless country with deep communal differences. Such media , while not highlighting the extremely warm and huge reception accorded to President Trump,  only highlighted the violent riots that took place during Trump's visit.

All said and done, the violence ended when President Trump left India and the objectives of Islamic terrorists to paint Indian  Prime Minister in bad light partly succeeded.

My appeal is that  let not doubts be created about the commitment and competence of Delhi police without analysis of the situation.

India is a target place for Islamic terrorists today and they will leave no stone unturned to cause problems for India in variety of ways. The fact is that world is not helping India in fighting against terrorism ,  which include  UNO and all of them are watching from galleries.

In such circumstances, the fight against terrorism in India has  to be essentially faced and won only by India, confronting  the terrorists operating from abroad as well as in India.

N.S.Venkataraman

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