What a pity? Including People in such high dignity, make loose communications not even understanding what Armed Forces Services is all about & origin and nature of OROP.
May be due to lack of understanding for what the veterans are fighting for, some one may not agree to the views of the Veterans.
Please understand, they are fighting for dignity and equal treatment. Some of the Generals standing there day and night, few of them already in receipt of the OROP.... but still standing by their troops, who served the Nation with dignity and now post retirement also fighting for justice & restoring dignity vis-a-vis other civil services. There was a point in time pre-1973, people from Royal families used to join Army... but not the Civil services. Do any one talking ill understand why they joined? It's absolute poor imagination if they thank that they joined for Money. They had millions; and the dignity was more important to them.
Before making any further fuss or communication, please go down to those veterans and seek reply for all your innocent looking questions. Any one who is prepared to lay down his life and not look back even in times of losing proposition in a war, certainly deserves a special status and dignity when he survives and retires. The Gentleman was talking about not having a war in last 43 years except small squirmishes like Kargil should also know why there was no war in last 43 years. Does he mean that the enemies are being very generous with us? Does he know how many people die of frost bite in the Himalayan ranges when most of the civilians are enjoying evening TV shows (Jhalak Diklaja with friend and family and hot snacks)? Has he ever analysed how many Army persons die while in training and in peace keeping ? Yet,.. they crib about couple of pegs of Rum that an army man gets while serving at those hostile places.. that too one can't even buy a drink to keep oneself warm at such ungodly places. Talking of Non-veg? Half the money meant to be given for rations to Army men is eaten away by the Babus & Politicians in awarding annual supply contracts.. what poor quality of meat gets served in the Lungar, one must see to believe. These guys serve with al the odds and retire early at 35 or 37 and we have cribs. What do these guys do after retirement? You go around your city and talk to security guards keeping watch in front of wealthy people / offices / hotels etc. 90% of them may be ex-army guys. Why should he do strenuous 12 hours guard duty even after retirement? The gentleman was comparing Army to IOC employees. Let's see how many IOC retired employees are doing security guard duty?
I suppose this much is enough to understand for any one with civic sense.
Regards
MS Moorthy
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shri Sarabjit,
As an Ex.SS commissioned Army officer who has gone through one war and also now retired as a senior executive of an Oil PSU, I felt disgusted at the undignified and unofficerlike agitation carried out by some of the defence verans in Delhi.If OLQ is that differentiates an officer from others, those leaders who were shouting slogans, did not show any such quality.Even after govt. agreed to all the major points,their greed in contnuing with the agitation is unpardonable..Buoyed by the support from a dotting press and the politician's unwillingness to say anything against the 'patriots',they went over board and made them nothing different from political agitators.It is known to every body that it is only those in non-officer category who retire before the age of 40.They get a tippance of a pension.Instead of asking for jobs in governmental institutions and PSUs for these released soldiers,the agitating leaders were harping on OROP alone.Even now a reired superceded Lt.Col gets a pension of more than Rs.40,000 and a brigadier about Rs 50,000.Ours is a volunteer army and no one has forced them to join the defence services.
They forget that there are others also who contributed to the growth, stability and welfare of this nation.For example Oil PSUs.The work condition in 60s and 70s in oil sector were worse than that of a peace time soldier and we did not have a war for the last43 years except the battalion strength skirmish in Kargil.Their employees competed with international oil giants in adverse circumstances to bring up national oil copanies like IOC.What did they get in return,a CPF half of which was contributed by they themselves with no pension.The CPF of Rs.10 or 20 Lkahs they got in 80s and 90s are peanuts now.Many of those retired are almost destitutes now.The comnpanies have forgotten them and the nation also.Every one knows that the present government is a nationalist government with every sympathy for soldiers and veterans.But as an elected government they can not abdicate their responsibilty to the poor of this nation.Government has to balance their economics.To make the government crawl,after they have agreed to accept OROP and most of their demans, with such agitation is the height of irresponsibilty.Pot bellied retired generals jumping and shouting slogans gave a despicable sight espicially when we we are inundated with news of farmer;s suicides every day.
Navnith Krishnan
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 18:13:02 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROPDear Brig Saha
It seems our veterans lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out terms like "traitor" to
describe your channel hosts.
FYI, I am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from the Govt.
What "I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind terms like patriotism and nationalism
for their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters. I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing scams. ...
You people were paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you were in service I fail to see
why we citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean each and every person who gets a pension
- starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say much the same thing
once we leave the hypocrisy behind.
Best regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Sarabjt,
> Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette notification how can it be changed to
> down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and those who defended
> the nation till 1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn). Those are people fighting in
> peaceful manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It seems from your comment you are one
> of those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced privileges, why
> is our job you deserve it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours increase ours too. You do not do
> any thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in our job you can only suck your
> thumb. What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your foreign policy with Bangladesh after
> the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2. After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even after we had
> handed over a trophy of more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3. In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire when we were
> in the verge of taking over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand them
> over now the Chinese with their armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to protected constitution at national interest irrespective of
> party in power, advise the politicians who are masses rep against
> unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self are doing that.
> How can any one justify subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one election win, There are few Khemkas and
> Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot, with yes sir
> attitude for kushy transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a commission.
> You are the traitors and need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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