Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now

I think I should mention that that in a Parliamentary situation , there are many parties. So we can pick and choose who would join us in a coalition and who would give us unconditional support and who would give us issue based support. Usually, the parties which come together are similar in their political ideology and thoughts. For example, the Communist Party would be reluctant to join hands with the BJP as it thinks that the BJP is communal but would readily join hand with the Congress. At the same time, it would be happy if the Congress shows some leniency towards China and would not be so happy if it is too friendly with the USA. 

In the case of Delhi. the AAP has decided that rather than take outside support, issue based or unconditional, it would go back to the electorate for a bigger mandate, so that it can implement its policies in their entirety without any fear of the rug being pulled from under its feet.

As far as the common minimum programme goes, the two parties joining hands, place their manifestos on the table and pick out all those items which can be implemented without any problem. Then they look at other items  which are tricky and potentially contentious. They try to modify them. if possible and make them implementable and acceptable to the other party. The remaining items go into the cold storage and never see the light of the day until the next election.

It is no doubt risky to go back to the electorate for fresh an better mandate. The risk is that you may or may not get the better mandate you seek. In which case the others who are fighting the same election with you might get more seats and form the government and not you.   Devinder




From: Jaggi Malhotra <jaggi_m@hotmail.com>
To: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
Cc: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; Satya Prava (SCW) <narayanasd123@gmail.com>; "media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013, 18:03
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now

Makes lot of sense. So common minimum program is the name of the game. Agreed. 
But How does it work Devinder?
Should AAP write it down & then seek the support & which ever party agrees to that - is their partner?

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On Dec 10, 2013, at 23:16, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote:

I think we are being a bit naïve here.. There are some issues which can easily be supported from outside without any kind of ideological compromises. Like, issues of public good, cheaper vegetables or even electricity. etc. On other issues which have ideological coonotations, and which can not be implemented without a majority or outside support, will remain unimplemented.

Then comes the next election, the AAP would tell the voters that it could only go so far and no more as it did not have the numbers. so could not implement its full programme as given in the manifesto.

The party which gave support from outside will cut a sorry figure as it will have nothing to show for its own performance other than it gave outside support to the AAP.

The usually accepted method is the common minimum programme, in which both the parties, the party running the show and the party supporting from outside, have their share in the Implementation of what is known  as the agreed programme.  Devinder.




From: Jaggi Malhotra <jaggi_m@hotmail.com>
To: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013, 13:55
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now

Dear Devinder,
I don't agree with you. AAP should be able to evaluate & ask one of the two parties for outside support - which I think they will get. Then they can follow their own Agenda & the supporting partner will not come in their way - unless AAP comes up with an unreasonable proposal - which is less likely . Things have changed & opposition no longer has the luxury to just oppose for opposing sake.
My gut  feeling is that if there is reelection - AAP is likely to be more effected. Keep in mind they won many seats by very slender margins & next round time BJP will be more aggressive knowing where they slipped up.
Jaggi Malhotra.

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On Dec 10, 2013, at 15:12, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote:

Dr Kumar Arun Ji. When one party decided to support the other party, they come to agree on a common minimum programme. You can not support another party just for the sake of supporting it. Moreover, the AAP dos not want any dilution of its own programme and wants to go it alone or nothing. As it anticipates better thing happening to it, it will insist on a re-election. The BJP dos not have the numbers so it is stuck. Devinder
From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
To: Jaggi Malhotra <jaggi_m@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 9 December 2013, 17:54
Subject: [IAC#RG] Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now

Shri Malhotraji,

Well said! I fully support your views and wish the decision makers within BJP as well as AAP see through and understand the need of the time.

Kumar Arun

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now
From: jaggi_m@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 23:01:12 +0530
To: kumar2786@hotmail.com


If I have my say, I would suggest that BJP should support AAP from outside & let AAP run the state. I am saying this because, though in good faith & with sincere intentions, AAP has made very tall promises. I am not too sure if all those targets set by them can be met. 
Hence, let them meet the promised targets rather than BJP running the state Govt. , fail & get the bad name.
Food for thought.
J. Malhotra

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On Dec 9, 2013, at 21:21, "Kumar Arun" <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

What is the problem in allowing Kejriwal forming the very first government of 'Aam Aadmi'? If I were advisor to Modi, I would advice him to ask Dr. Harsh Vardhan to support AAP to form government in Delhi and be part of ruling team to change the fifteen year old corrupt network of Shiela DIxit & Sonia Gandhi. Is any thing wrong in it?

Dr. Kumar Arun


From: ashokahuja58@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 14:53:00 +0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Fwd: BJP cannot afford to be complacent now

Very well put.BJP will have to deliver exponentially more than promised to meet the expectations. Also they should safeguard from the crooked ways of congress.

No party in India in the very first year of its formation has got such a huge mandate from the people of Delhi. Expectations are very high which can not be met by sitting in opposition. It is therefore must that they come  in the mainstream and check BJP from their wrongdoings by working along with them for the people.
Regards
Ashok

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On Dec 9, 2013, at 1:15 AM, Satya D <hitaya123@gmail.com> wrote:

While many supporters of BJP are jubilant with State Elections results, let us sincerely hope that BJP would not be complacent under any circumstances.    In fact, as one close supporter mentioned to me they should work three times as hard.   He added, 'Are you kidding, never write off congress party'.  How true?  I only hope BJP cadre takes this to heart and work longer and harder.

Should we be jubilant about the results and the real hope for change?   My question is why was the country put in this place first.   If the country had the same growth that BJP left it with in 2004, we would perhaps be running on par and even be ahead of China.   I recall how everything was booming, middle class growing, many NRIs were looking to settle back in India, the shining India.   Today, more people are being reduced to beggars, to depend on few kilos of rice and pulses the Government doles out for their livelihood.    BJP leaders are reduced to kow-tow to the Congress party or else?     No where in the world's history we can see an uneducated  foreign nanny trample on the lives of the country and blatantly loot and let loot a nation with complete impunity, in what is being called the most corrupt period in entire India's history.     It is a matter of shame, a shame that can be squarely blamed on BJP leaders, who are not only complacent but also arrogant,  lacking foresight of what is brewing right under the nose.    India could have been spared this agony if only BJP had vision and the mindset on how to handle the enemy.

The game is not over. As 2014 central elections come closer, I sincerely hope BJP fall in line with Narendra Modi and reign in their ambitions.  Just as in US, once a leader of party is chosen everyone puts their heart and soul to get their leader elected, BJP should ensure Modi gets the mandate required to make the changes to improve the country.   

It is foolish to think that Congress is sitting idle.   According to Dr. Swamy tweet Sonia/Rahul has allocated 5000 crore rupees to manipulate EVMs.     They will be making bizarre promises to vote banks to bring them to voting booth.    They will engage the unscrupulous elements to commit as much voting fraud as possible such as bogus voters and intimidate those who would vote for BJP.   Why do you think Government has not funded VVPAT until now and now ECI is making claims that VVPAT has issues after having made success in real elections?   Many are afraid that Chief CEC Sampath who has declared large personal assets will be subjugated by Congress party if he does not cooperate in various schemes.  Cooperation many times means non-action.

Most people do not realize the power in India can be tilted by manipulating just few (30 to 40 constituencies) as was done in 2009 and that too in just 5% of the voting booths in those constituencies.    One more point that is not usually grasped is a seat manipulated is a double whammy, your loss is other party gain.   For example, by manipulating 40 out of 543,  a winning -200 and losing-150 combination will turn into losing- 160 and winning-190.   That is the danger that should not escape BJP.   It is critical to have a very effective booth management and constant vigil.  It is critical that BJP and other parties put their weight over  ECI to either go with VVPAT or paper trail.  

Let us be vigilant.


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