Tuesday, May 27, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

While I agree that there are a few, rarest of rare, amoung public servants who do their duty conscientiously, the majority are selfish, corrupt and can even be clubbed as traitors at the level of senior bureaucrats, politicians and judges for the way they keep passing the parcel and fail, miserably, willfully and treacherously, to perform their duties! And I challenge you to prove me otherwise! Thanks to the RTI Act and the way it has been subverted it is now on record that the government is the biggest anti-people organisation in the country! Have you read the RTI Act and can you tell me if it has excluded the office of the CJI from its purview? Tell me under which law can the CJI as competent authority to enforce this law in courts exclude his own office from its purview? Tell me did the SC do justice in Gen V K Singh's dob case? Why, tell me why these blatant subversion of law and justice? 

And Mr Sant Mathur, tell me what all are your contributions during your official life that continues to influence today's police in your state before I buy your claim 'We have researched the entirre spectrum of anti-corruption work and contributed enormously at policy/administration/operation levels'. I dare say that it is only the cyber space that has contributed to the spread of truth and public reactions are just a fall out of this general awakening! I will get back to RTI Act itself to prove how much of a fallacy is being spread as it being a landmark law for transparency! The job of an information commissioner is simpler than that of a munsif but it has been equated to that of of CEC, EC, Chief Secretary etc only to provide sinecures for the most useless, if not anti-people, clerks (and that includes the IAS and IPS lot too) who would willfully subvert the law to protect their criminal colleagues and political bosses. 

The police and judiciary are the only organisations that constitute the institutionalised system for justice delivery in this country and they are notorious as the most corrupt too. While wisdom handed over from generations to generations expressed this fact through beliefs that it is a blessing to pass through this life without entering a police station or a court today we have organisations like Transparency International that have put forth data after extensive surveys! And even a cursory look around is sufficient to convince one that  unless these organisations are overhauled totally nothing can change for the masses!

ravi


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:19 AM, <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl don't challenge the people of India as what have they done. The number is millions who are more intelligent,more qualified,morr sincere, and have contributed immensely more than all AAP(believers of KHAP,believers of partition of India again opn the Q of K)people have done in some total. Just because people don't dramatise things,just because they don't tom tom their accomplishments,it doesn't mean such peopl don't exist. Even on the hyped anti-corrution front we who practised/professed(professionally and silently) in this area for decades have contributed far more than the work done by agitationists. We have researched the entirre spectrum of anti-corruption work and contributed enormously at policy/administration/operation levels. I take challenge frtom any and every quarter and am ready to prove the total hollowness of the claims of the agitationists. S P Mathjur IPS DGP(retd) BE MBA PhD
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Dear Mr. Gaur

AAP's decision to contest LS elections was decided by remote control
operators who control the "party" and not AK. It was a very profitable
deal for AK and gang. It was also made possible by the 45 days they
got in Delhi - in which they took more corrupt administrative
decisions than the Congress and BJP combined had taken in last 20
years.

Their 4 seats in Punjab was solely due to the extraordinary corruption
of the extended Badal family Govt. in the state. SAD scraped through
on the Modi wave and AAP splitting the Congress vote, otherwise SAD
would have faced a rout worse than the Congress did at national level.
The state of Punjab is a complete mess. In these elections HRA did not
support any party in the Northern states of Punjab or UP, it was done
on constituency wise basis and 63% of the candidates HRA supported in
these states lost (and we are not embarrassed to say so).

Sarbajit

On 5/27/14, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 27/5/14
>
> Dear Mr. S. Roy
>
> I fully agree that it is premature to write off AAP because they have a
> solid support base in a section of the voting population. The only problem
> is lack of leadership which is being questioned by some of their founding
> members-Sazia IImi,Cap. Gopinath and even Kumar Vishwas. The remaining 3/4
> people leading AAP dont count much to go Against AK.His decision to resign
> in order to fight Lok Sabha elections- financially,organisationaly was
> fatally wrong.
>
> Incidentally I am curious to know about their good showing in Punjab where
> they got 4 MPs elected. I want to know if you helped them to win these
> seats. This is specially because HRA has a good following in that region if
> I remember correctly one of your posts. In all other states they drew blank
> including Delhi. Did you also play a role,in their win in December elections
> in Delhi? It is just a curiosity and you and you are free to reply or not.
>
> Regds
>
> JKGaur
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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Dear Friends,

Arvind Kejriwal believes a separate laws suitable for him only no matter if that is contrary to the existing laws of the land and yet he try to convince his concept of law to the electorate. His band of followers, the likes of Yogendra Yadav, Meera Sanyal, Medha Pedkar, Balkrishnan, few retired IAS, IPS fellows, retired defense officers, etc are they still willing to agree what he preaches, if they continue to do so,
"GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY INDIA"
And today, he did his usual U - turn by agreeing to file bail bond in the High Court, yet he says he is right and all are wrong, charge anybody as most corrupt and so on and so forth, time has come for people to guard before they speaks the untruth less you land in Tihar or some similar place.

Dr K S Elangbam




On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Gaur

I thank you for remembering that I had warned this group about Mr.
Arvind Kejriwal,

At this time I shall only say (for you to bookmark) that it is
premature to assume that AAP is dead / AK is finished etc. The rumors
of their (political) death are greatly exaggerated, and is scripted
for them to rise again to "enact" their tired nautanki of being
anti-corruption crusaders while the nation's prime assets are looted
and sold (in name of disinvestment) to the tycoons present at Mr.
Modi's swearing-in ceremony.

2 Judges of the Supreme Court, have written a judgment about this
group on 1.Nov.2013 , and considered them as "stool pigeons of
Reliance and Sahara" [ .. against very influential and powerful
business Houses, including Sahara and Reliance. It is pointed out that
the petitioner is a stool pigeon acting on the directions of these
Business Houses. We are unable to easily discard the reasoning put
forward by respondent No.4. ... We find no merit in this petition
which is accordingly dismissed.]
http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/165621647/

Sarbajit

On 5/26/14, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  26/5/14
>
> I am afraid we are going off the tract on the subject of AK,s detention in
> jail.
>
> AK had levelled corruption charges against R.Vadra, Gadkari and Reliance.
> When he appread in AAP KI ADALAT, he was asked if he had any proof and his
> reply was in positive. Then it was suggested that he should approach the
> court with proof and he responded that it takes a lifetime to get one case
> settled in court. However, the people named by him can go to court against
> his allegations.Prior to that Ms. Damania had raised this issue. Later on
> some allegations surfaced that Ms. Damania was involved in some land grab
> near Mumbai.
>
> Mr. Gadkari thereafter refused the charge and sent him a legal notice for
> defamation and the court process was started. He should have given
> documentary evidence to court  which he did not.This is my understanding of
> this issue.
>
> 2. Freedom of speech is subject to reasonable resptriction. It does not give
> you licence to kill someone,s reputation
>
>   3.Colonial laws have been adopted since 1947. There are many unjust laws
> and provisions, but the Parliament has neither repealed or amended them.
>
> 4. Sporadic objections are raised from time to time like the present one-
> but nothing comes out of it.
>
> I had great admiration for AK inspite of S. Roy,s warning signals.But feel
> totally let down during the last 3 months.
>
> JKGaur

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Monday, May 26, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

27/5/14
 
Dear Mr. S. Roy
 
I fully agree that it is premature to write off AAP because they have  a solid support  base in a section of the voting population. The only problem is lack of leadership which is being questioned by some of their founding members-Sazia IImi,Cap. Gopinath and even Kumar Vishwas. The remaining 3/4 people leading AAP dont count much to go Against AK.His decision to resign in order to fight Lok Sabha elections- financially,organisationaly was fatally wrong.
Incidentally I am curious to know about their good showing in Punjab where they got 4 MPs elected. I want to know if you helped them to win these seats. This is specially because HRA has a good following in that region if I remember correctly one of your posts. In all other states they drew blank including Delhi. Did you also play a role,in their win in December elections in Delhi? It is just a curiosity and you and you are free to reply or not.
Regds
JKGaur 
 
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 07:55:16 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Dear Mr. Gaur
 
I thank you for remembering that I had warned this group about Mr.
Arvind Kejriwal,
 
At this time I shall only say (for you to bookmark) that it is
premature to assume that AAP is dead / AK is finished etc. The rumors
of their (political) death are greatly exaggerated, and is scripted
for them to rise again to "enact" their tired nautanki of being
anti-corruption crusaders while the nation's prime assets are looted
and sold (in name of disinvestment) to the tycoons present at Mr.
Modi's swearing-in ceremony.
 
2 Judges of the Supreme Court, have written a judgment about this
group on 1.Nov.2013 , and considered them as "stool pigeons of
Reliance and Sahara" [ .. against very influential and powerful
business Houses, including Sahara and Reliance. It is pointed out that
the petitioner is a stool pigeon acting on the directions of these
Business Houses. We are unable to easily discard the reasoning put
forward by respondent No.4. ... We find no merit in this petition
which is accordingly dismissed.]
http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/165621647/
 
Sarbajit
 
On 5/26/14, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  26/5/14
>
> I am afraid we are going off the tract on the subject of AK,s detention in
> jail.
>
> AK had levelled corruption charges against R.Vadra, Gadkari and Reliance.
> When he appread in AAP KI ADALAT, he was asked if he had any proof and his
> reply was in positive. Then it was suggested that he should approach the
> court with proof and he responded that it takes a lifetime to get one case
> settled in court. However, the people named by him can go to court against
> his allegations.Prior to that Ms. Damania had raised this issue. Later on
> some allegations surfaced that Ms. Damania was involved in some land grab
> near Mumbai.
>
> Mr. Gadkari thereafter refused the charge and sent him a legal notice for
> defamation and the court process was started. He should have given
> documentary evidence to court  which he did not.This is my understanding of
> this issue.
>
> 2. Freedom of speech is subject to reasonable resptriction. It does not give
> you licence to kill someone,s reputation
>
>   3.Colonial laws have been adopted since 1947. There are many unjust laws
> and provisions, but the Parliament has neither repealed or amended them.
>
> 4. Sporadic objections are raised from time to time like the present one-
> but nothing comes out of it.
>
> I had great admiration for AK inspite of S. Roy,s warning signals.But feel
> totally let down during the last 3 months.
>
> JKGaur

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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Dear Mr. Gaur

I thank you for remembering that I had warned this group about Mr.
Arvind Kejriwal,

At this time I shall only say (for you to bookmark) that it is
premature to assume that AAP is dead / AK is finished etc. The rumors
of their (political) death are greatly exaggerated, and is scripted
for them to rise again to "enact" their tired nautanki of being
anti-corruption crusaders while the nation's prime assets are looted
and sold (in name of disinvestment) to the tycoons present at Mr.
Modi's swearing-in ceremony.

2 Judges of the Supreme Court, have written a judgment about this
group on 1.Nov.2013 , and considered them as "stool pigeons of
Reliance and Sahara" [ .. against very influential and powerful
business Houses, including Sahara and Reliance. It is pointed out that
the petitioner is a stool pigeon acting on the directions of these
Business Houses. We are unable to easily discard the reasoning put
forward by respondent No.4. ... We find no merit in this petition
which is accordingly dismissed.]
http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/165621647/

Sarbajit

On 5/26/14, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> 26/5/14
>
> I am afraid we are going off the tract on the subject of AK,s detention in
> jail.
>
> AK had levelled corruption charges against R.Vadra, Gadkari and Reliance.
> When he appread in AAP KI ADALAT, he was asked if he had any proof and his
> reply was in positive. Then it was suggested that he should approach the
> court with proof and he responded that it takes a lifetime to get one case
> settled in court. However, the people named by him can go to court against
> his allegations.Prior to that Ms. Damania had raised this issue. Later on
> some allegations surfaced that Ms. Damania was involved in some land grab
> near Mumbai.
>
> Mr. Gadkari thereafter refused the charge and sent him a legal notice for
> defamation and the court process was started. He should have given
> documentary evidence to court which he did not.This is my understanding of
> this issue.
>
> 2. Freedom of speech is subject to reasonable resptriction. It does not give
> you licence to kill someone,s reputation
>
> 3.Colonial laws have been adopted since 1947. There are many unjust laws
> and provisions, but the Parliament has neither repealed or amended them.
>
> 4. Sporadic objections are raised from time to time like the present one-
> but nothing comes out of it.
>
> I had great admiration for AK inspite of S. Roy,s warning signals.But feel
> totally let down during the last 3 months.
>
> JKGaur
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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Are Indians still ruled by Britishers   ??.   If Not, then:
All the existing Colonial laws now applicable must be repealed immediately.
The magistrates/judges  must not have Discretion. Discretion simply means  arbitrariness/Dictatorship.
i am told - Arbitrary actions not allowed by the Constitution of India.  
No jail for any body as long as the  person is not running away from the court, except in case of murder. 
Mere apprehension should not be the reason for detention/jail, except in case of murder. 
Jail only after conviction, except in case of murder.
Except murder case - Question of Bond / surety /undertaking should arise  only after conviction.
Release all under trials (except murder case)  who have already been in jails for the max period  prescribed for the crime committed. 

rgds. beniwal

 



On Monday, 26 May 2014 10:18 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:


 
 26/5/14
 
I am afraid we are going off the tract on the subject of AK,s detention in jail.
AK had levelled corruption charges against R.Vadra, Gadkari and Reliance. When he appread in AAP KI ADALAT, he was asked if he had any proof and his reply was in positive. Then it was suggested that he should approach the court with proof and he responded that it takes a lifetime to get one case settled in court. However, the people named by him can go to court against his allegations.Prior to that Ms. Damania had raised this issue. Later on some allegations surfaced that Ms. Damania was involved in some land grab near Mumbai.
Mr. Gadkari thereafter refused the charge and sent him a legal notice for defamation and the court process was started. He should have given documentary evidence to court  which he did not.This is my understanding of this issue.
2. Freedom of speech is subject to reasonable resptriction. It does not give you licence to kill someone,s reputation
  3.Colonial laws have been adopted since 1947. There are many unjust laws and provisions, but the Parliament has neither repealed or amended them.
4. Sporadic objections are raised from time to time like the present one- but nothing comes out of it.
I had great admiration for AK inspite of S. Roy,s warning signals.But feel totally let down during the last 3 months.
JKGaur
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 11:04:12 +0530
From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

It doesn't even require a defamation case to arrest a citizen and tie him up in court procedures. 
If I have a friend in police I can get even NaMo arrested thus (of course now his SPG would not allow that!) 
or atleast get a summons sent to him by a court! One journalist proved it by having a sting operation in a Gujarat court.
He got non-bailable warrants issued against the then Prez Dr Kalam and the CJI! 
Under those circumstance ordinary citizens can only suffer the atrocious court procedures!

regards  n bw

ravi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

From: vasant sardesai
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:26
Reply To: vasant sardesai
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

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I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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It is duty of every citizen to obey law of the land and not defy the same to create lawlessness and anarchy in the public like AK. He is very selfish and want to remain in media in one or the other way.He is not fit for leadership.


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Many stories appeared in re Arvind incarnation is wrong. He was sent to JC for not submitting surety bond
In fact this action from A K shouldn't make himself liable for JC. what is ignored by experts are the power of the magistrate. This is a case of mere discarding the authority of the court.A K s principle does not allow him to submit bond.he keeps his principles above the authority of the court. SO THIS IS A CLEAR CONTEMPT OF COURT CASE
Magistrate does not have authority to take action as she had to refer the case to HC as per the contempt of court act .hence present JC OF AK IS VOILATIVE of ARTICLE 21 of the constitution.

Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It doesn't even require a defamation case to arrest a citizen and tie him up in court procedures. 
If I have a friend in police I can get even NaMo arrested thus (of course now his SPG would not allow that!) 
or atleast get a summons sent to him by a court! One journalist proved it by having a sting operation in a Gujarat court.
He got non-bailable warrants issued against the then Prez Dr Kalam and the CJI! 
Under those circumstance ordinary citizens can only suffer the atrocious court procedures!

regards  n bw

ravi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

From: vasant sardesai
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:26
Reply To: vasant sardesai
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

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Subject: [hc] Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

 
I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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