Thursday, December 19, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE

I agree, No Bharat Ratna for Anna ji.

Rgds
rahul


On Thursday, 19 December 2013 6:40 PM, gaurav garg <gauraveditor@gmail.com> wrote:
No I dont think so
On 19 Dec 2013 04:16, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To
 
India Against Corruption
 
        
                                        CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE
 
During the last five decades, the cancer of corruption has been steadily spreading in India ,with  the government machinery now becoming intolerably corrupt. With section of  bureaucrats and politicians in  power indulging in corruption and nepotism, every other section of society including educational institutions and judiciary are now deemed to be corruption ridden.
In such dismal scenario, Anna Hazare  singularly continued his anti corruption agitation and later on several people jumped into his bandwagon.. Anna Hazare alone suffered by going on long fast for the cause repeatedly.
He successfully stirred  the conscience of the country men and created hope amongst them that successful fight against corruption would be possible.
It is a great tribute to Anna Hazare that his crusade and the public opinion that he built  have                     forced the politicians  to pass the Lokpal bill after several years. 
Government of India  should honour Anna Hazare  by conferring Bharat Ratna. There are several other people in recent times, who have been the recipients of Bharat Ratna for excelling  in their area of activity but  they did not suffer or sacrifice anything  for the cause.  On the other hand, Anna Hazare  has little education , belongs to a lower middle income group and has no particular backing of any sort until recently , and he  has carried out  his life long crusade against corruption  with his  personal sacrifice.
Anna Hazare stands on different footing and conferring Bharat Ratna on him would be a fitting tribute to this great man by a grateful nation.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Warning to the IAC / nation to be careful of certain 'haramis'

What HRA stands for, Sarbajit?




On 18 December 2013 15:42, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC saathis

The movement should be extremely careful now against mischief and
disinformation of certain POLITICALLY minded haramis in our society.

Prime among them being
A) Kiran Bedi,
B) General V.K.Singh,

Their basic plan is to cut votes of Aam Aadmi Party (at behest of BOTH
Congress and BJP which are now openly working together) by floating a
party/andolan with name deceitfully similar to "India Against
Corruption"

It is reliably learned that Kiran Bedi will be this party's CM
candidate for Delhi, and Gen V.K.Singh will be its PM candidate. Of
course they will have the easily purchased approval of Anna Hazare,
and a team of former backroom boys of IAC movement like Shivendra
Chauhan, Gaurav Bakshi, Mahesh Giri etc who were welcomed into BJP on
15th October 2013 at a public function.

IAC condemns these shameless and unscrupulous persons @HARAMIS and
warns against any further adventurism to misuse IAC name or
revolutionary banner(s) which they never had any claim or title to.

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Re: [IAC#RG] AAM AADMI PARTY'S STRANGE QUERIES

I feel that in respnse to aap survey on delhi govt about 68.26% would
say Charhh Ja beta Suli per anna Bhala karega( the original saying is
Charh ja beta suli per Ram bhala karega) whether he forms the covt oe
not in 2015 there shall be no aap wave as there is no aana wave

On 12/18/13, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 18/12/13
>
>
>
> Dear Sir,
>
>
>
> Whatever you have stated are in the realm of possibilties and past
> experience. But if AAP forms Govt. and works sincerely and Congress
> withdraws support, AAP will get clear majority and Congress will suffer
> further humiliation in the fresh elections.
>
> Once assured of working majority with Congress support, why should they ask
> for BJP support? Is it the intention of AAP that there should be no
> opposition and criticism of their policies and actions.Are they trying to
> make it one party rule with opposition having no role to play. Is it
> democracy or autocracy?
>
> 3. If AAP does not form the Govt. it will be Presidents Rule-indirectly
> Congress Rule-because they are ruling in the centre and seat of power is
> same-Delhi
>
> 4. Under such conditions, what is the guarantee that AAP will get clear
> majority? If not, Delhi will continue to suffer from hung assembly.
>
> 5.Recently I was in Delhi from 7 to 14.12. I had an opportunity to meet some
> past MLAs from both the main parties,including one candidate of AAP who lost
> to BJP in a social function. The impression I gather is that AK will not be
> able to deliver on the promises he has made.
>
> 6.Gradually it is turning out that AAP is team B for congress and all this
> is a drama being played out for public consumption. As S. Roy has said, what
> a coincidence that AAP+Cpngress get 36-just the majority needed.
>
> 7.Delhi is a city State. So AAP can resort to referendum gimick. Is this
> possible in a bigger state and larger scale?
>
> 8. I was away from internet for a week. I am really surprised with the large
> no. of posts on AAP from 8th onwards.
>
> I sincerely hope advising AAP should stop till they take final call on
> forming the Govt.
>
> Regds
>
> JKGaur
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:21:40 +0530
> From: sureshandelhi@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] AAM AADMI PARTY'S STRANGE QUERIES
>
>
> congress has unconditionally agreed to give support. Unconditional support
> can be withdrawn any time, so there is no guarantee that the party
> supporting from outsAPide will do so till the end of tenure. Congress had
> withdrawn support midway several times at center K. Chandra Shekhars period,
> Deve Gowda, Gujral etc. So the government can't be stable when a party
> support from outside it can pull down the govt any time and impose fresh
> election. During unconditional support also they are not supposed to support
> bills introduced in the house they can abstain or defeat any bills or impose
> their on amendments. In Indian history unconditional support is more
> dangerous than inside support,, When congress and AAP are having a different
> ideology and vision it will be more difficult to do government function.
> Though AAP is offering more populist schemes, even they failed to implement
> by running a minority government no body can blame them as they will take
> shelter upon not having absolute majority and demand for majority in the
> next election . So a government formed t present con't be put to testing at
> this time.. and socialistic ideas are concerned given the nature and
> resources available in Delhi govt can do lot of things in a quick period.
> like opening new hospitals supplying free water etc. Majority of the Delhi
> population are not dependent upon govt schemes. Major hurdle in DElhi will
> be police control , without which law and order situation can't be improved
> unless and unitil central govt agrees for that ( quiet impossible as on last
> December also they have diverted the public attention from such demand by
> focusing death sentence for rapists , their own chief minister's demand was
> rejected by central govt at that time ) VIP security etc. is again not
> within the control of Delhi govt. further control of DDA will not be given
> by he center govt. Delhi govt itself is powerless. so various offers made by
> AAP can't be implemented ,, that are all practical difficulty,, public
> auditing of power companies ,, a welcome move but this can be extended to
> all NGOS and companies which are getting govt contracts ... instead of
> making this demand for power companies he has to demand for public auditing
> to all including various private schools and hospitals ,, Kejriwal need good
> time to realise this kind of problems,, Now he is near to power so he can
> introspect himself before going for forming a govt.. He should understand
> that Shanti Bhooshan or Prashanth Bhooshen are not the final authority of
> all legal issues . it is for him to consult other better lawyer before
> jumping to any conclusion. In Indian History govt without having absolute
> majority failed to perform all the time ,, a minority govt and president
> rule are same ,, in both cases all policies will be status quo ,, only civil
> servant is required to perform govt functions.. Parties with diffrent
> ideologies are not required to join together for forming govt. 1998 mid term
> election was the result of non supportive stand of political parties to form
> govt. 13 months govt was fallen down because of no confidence motion ,, the
> parties who were voted for motion was failed to form govt.. If any body
> terrorizing AAP by showing congress's unconditional support should first
> realize the problem in such support ..
>
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> All the 3 posts-Mr. Venkatraman,Jaitly and Sheshadri are [precise and to the
> point.
> If AAP does not form a Govt. it will backfire on them in the next
> elections.
> Clearly they are showning lack of courage to form the Govt. which may be due
> to their lack of experience in governance. Clearly 16 of their demands
> pertains to administration and only 2 need legislative approval and Congress
> party has assured their cooperation. So what are they waiting for?
> JKGaur
>
>
>
>
> From: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:36:13 +0530
> Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] AAM AADMI PARTY'S STRANGE QUERIES
>
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>
>
> It appears khejriwal is nervous. What prevents him from seeking advice from
> eminent citizens who are not interested in politics and not fond of power .
> There should be many financial experts and retired administrators who would
> be willing to help without expecting any wages as most of these retired
> personnel are quite well off with comfortable pension and all their kids
> well settled, at the same time fed with the culture and conduct of our
> present day politicians .Khejriwal has the mandate with unconditional
> support of Congress and BJP in Delhi will not dare to bung in the monkey
> wrench for fear of losing every thing in 2014 .
>
> What exactly AAP means by declaring that they will consult the people?
> They have already voted for the party . BJP and Congress cannot possibly
> block any of the 18 points in the agenda. If they even try to do so people
> will teach these parties a lesson which they cannot possibly forget !!
>
> Come on I request my friends to put some sense in to AAP and tell them to
> get on with the JOB. If he succeeds even 20 % in reducing corruption
> particularly at the high levels and take swift action to deal with small
> time police and state govt employees who have been making BLACK money
> merrily with majority of policemen with 55 inch waistline. First The
> youngsters of AAP should insist on fit police men. . Just imagine our
> soldiers with POT BELLIES !! They will not be able to crawl in a battle .
>
> Even if AAP indicates action towards fulfilling their 18 point program AAM
> ADMI will understand even if AAP does not succeed immediately .ON 29 Dec
> LOKAYUKTA BILL BASED ON JAN LOK PAL SHOULD BE PASSED. Political parties
> resisting such move can only do so at their PERIL . Seshadri
>
>
>
>
> From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
> [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Veerendra
> Jaitly
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:15 AM
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] AAM AADMI PARTY'S STRANGE QUERIES
>
>
>
>
> AAP should demonstrate action now.
>
>
> No more discussions.
>
>
> And taking the opinion of 270 Municipal Wards through Jan Sabhas is a crazy
> idea before every important decision.
>
>
> By now they should know what people want. If they don't know, then it means
> they never did any active listening to the Aam Admi. It was just a Shosha.
>
>
> People want action. People want development. They want an end to their day
> to day problems and as the party in power, Aap should assume power and get
> on the job. Any more excuses by them will mean their insincerity. They have
> the numbers with them with Congress support.
>
>
> With Lok Sabha elections round the corner, no party would like Aap Govt to
> fall and invite public wrath.
>
>
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>
> With Warm Regards,
>
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>
>
>
> Veerendra K Jaitly
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> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> To
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> India Against Corruption
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>
>
> AAM AADMI PARTY'S STRANGE QUERIES
>
> BJP cannot form government in Delhi , since Aam Aadmi party refused to
> extend issue based support. However, Aam Aadmi party can form government
> ,since both BJP and Congress have extended issue based support.
>
> Now, it appears that Aam Aadmi party tries to wriggle out of forming
> government, by asking BJP and Congress to clarify whether it would extend
> support for a few particular specific issues as a pre condition. This
> question would be logical in case of coalition government, where different
> parties join together with minimum action plans.
>
> In the present case, both BJP and Congress would sit in opposition and
> therefore, they would be logical in saying that they would extend support
> depending on performance of the ruling party and based on issues. If Aam
> Aadmi party would be confident of its programmes and implement them in
> honest way, it is bound to get support from the people and the opposition
> parties would hesitate to oppose for the sake of opposition, particularly
> fearing rout in the next elections.
>
> Many suspect that Aam Aadmi party has made nearly impossible promises like
> reducing the electricity tariff etc. without understanding the ground
> realities such as increasing cost of power generation . It promised to pass
> Lokpal bill in Delhi assembly , ignoring the fact that Lokpal bill is a
> Central subject involving inter state implications.
>
> Perhaps, the party fears that it would be exposed if it would form
> government.
>
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE

Well done Sarbajit

> On 19-Dec-2013, at 1:43 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Venkatraman
>
> Being an IAC G-Sec, you must take care to update yourself with latest
> developments in IAC.
>
> IAC feels that Anna Hazare must be well beaten with as many kolhapuri
> chappals as possible for this atrocious and treacherous action for
> which he has been well financed by both Congress and BJP who preyed on
> his gigantic ego through their agents like Kiran Bedi.
>
> The nation does not need this kind of JOKEPAL which will keep the
> public distracted in a media frenzy like RTI Act did for another 5
> years while the loot circus continues.
>
> Please read www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in carefully and regularly
> and BOOKMARK it for updates
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 12/18/13, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>
>> CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE
>>
>> During the last five decades, the cancer of corruption has been steadily
>> spreading in India ,with the government machinery now becoming intolerably
>> corrupt. With section of bureaucrats and politicians in power indulging
>> in corruption and nepotism, every other section of society including
>> educational institutions and judiciary are now deemed to be corruption
>> ridden.
>>
>> In such dismal scenario, Anna Hazare singularly continued his anti
>> corruption agitation and later on several people jumped into his
>> bandwagon.. Anna Hazare alone suffered by going on long fast for the cause
>> repeatedly.
>>
>> He successfully stirred the conscience of the country men and created hope
>> amongst them that successful fight against corruption would be possible.
>>
>> It is a great tribute to Anna Hazare that his crusade and the public
>> opinion that he built have forced the politicians to
>> pass the Lokpal bill after several years.
>>
>> Government of India should honour Anna Hazare by conferring Bharat Ratna.
>> There are several other people in recent times, who have been the
>> recipients of Bharat Ratna for excelling in their area of activity but
>> they
>> did not suffer or sacrifice anything for the cause. On the other hand,
>> Anna Hazare has little education , belongs to a lower middle income group
>> and has no particular backing of any sort until recently , and he has
>> carried out his life long crusade against corruption with his personal
>> sacrifice.
>> Anna Hazare stands on different footing and conferring Bharat Ratna on him
>> would be a fitting tribute to this great man by a grateful nation.
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
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Re: [IAC#RG] CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE

I entirely agree with Asif. How come Kiran Bedi made u turn on CBI . That was basic minimum. Award Anna for not getting what was needed why dis he do it???

Ramani k

On 19-Dec-2013, at 4:26 am, Asif Zahri <asifzahri@gmail.com> wrote:

Anna should be honored for 50% discount on curoption. One year ago he wanted 100% curoption free society.  But due to influence of Sonia, Kiran and VKSingh he agreed for 50% discount.  For this discount surely he ll get Bharat Ratna.
He has lost his image and credibility. ..

Asif Zahri

On 19 Dec 2013 04:15, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To
 
India Against Corruption
 
        
                                        CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE
 
During the last five decades, the cancer of corruption has been steadily spreading in India ,with  the government machinery now becoming intolerably corrupt. With section of  bureaucrats and politicians in  power indulging in corruption and nepotism, every other section of society including educational institutions and judiciary are now deemed to be corruption ridden.

In such dismal scenario, Anna Hazare  singularly continued his anti corruption agitation and later on several people jumped into his bandwagon.. Anna Hazare alone suffered by going on long fast for the cause repeatedly.

He successfully stirred  the conscience of the country men and created hope amongst them that successful fight against corruption would be possible.

It is a great tribute to Anna Hazare that his crusade and the public opinion that he built  have                     forced the politicians  to pass the Lokpal bill after several years. 

Government of India  should honour Anna Hazare  by conferring Bharat Ratna. There are several other people in recent times, who have been the recipients of Bharat Ratna for excelling  in their area of activity but  they did not suffer or sacrifice anything  for the cause.  On the other hand, Anna Hazare  has little education , belongs to a lower middle income group and has no particular backing of any sort until recently , and he  has carried out  his life long crusade against corruption  with his  personal sacrifice.

Anna Hazare stands on different footing and conferring Bharat Ratna on him would be a fitting tribute to this great man by a grateful nation.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE

Dear Sarbjit,

I totally agree with you as far as Anna,s turnabout is concerned. But pl tell me couldn't,t you convey the same sentiment without being nasty?

hc gandhi


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Venkatraman

Being an IAC G-Sec, you must take care to update yourself with latest
developments in IAC.

IAC feels that Anna Hazare must be well beaten with as many kolhapuri
chappals as possible for this atrocious and treacherous action for
which he has been well financed by both Congress and BJP who preyed on
his gigantic ego through their agents like Kiran Bedi.

The nation does not need this kind of JOKEPAL which will keep the
public distracted in a media frenzy like RTI Act did for another 5
years while the loot circus continues.

Please read www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in carefully and regularly
and BOOKMARK it for updates

Sarbajit

On 12/18/13, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                         CONFER BHART RATNA TO ANNA HAZARE
>
> During the last five decades, the cancer of corruption has been steadily
> spreading in India ,with  the government machinery now becoming intolerably
> corrupt. With section of  bureaucrats and politicians in  power indulging
> in corruption and nepotism, every other section of society including
> educational institutions and judiciary are now deemed to be corruption
> ridden.
>
> In such dismal scenario, Anna Hazare  singularly continued his anti
> corruption agitation and later on several people jumped into his
> bandwagon.. Anna Hazare alone suffered by going on long fast for the cause
> repeatedly.
>
> He successfully stirred  the conscience of the country men and created hope
> amongst them that successful fight against corruption would be possible.
>
> It is a great tribute to Anna Hazare that his crusade and the public
> opinion that he built  have                     forced the politicians  to
> pass the Lokpal bill after several years.
>
> Government of India  should honour Anna Hazare  by conferring Bharat Ratna.
> There are several other people in recent times, who have been the
> recipients of Bharat Ratna for excelling  in their area of activity but
> they
> did not suffer or sacrifice anything  for the cause.  On the other hand,
> Anna Hazare  has little education , belongs to a lower middle income group
> and has no particular backing of any sort until recently , and he  has
> carried out  his life long crusade against corruption  with his  personal
> sacrifice.
> Anna Hazare stands on different footing and conferring Bharat Ratna on him
> would be a fitting tribute to this great man by a grateful nation.
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
>

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Re: [IAC#RG] Victory : IAC submission's to Rajya Sabha Committee

If that is the rationale, it seems quite stupid. They must publish the names of those who support the amendment first and foremost as a validation of the proposal.
Venkat


On 19 December 2013 13:36, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Its probably mentioned in Annexure C which is not online

IAC's memorandum was submitted jointly by myself, Karira, Muzibur
Rehman and Dr. Sandip Gupta

I think they have only published the names of dissenting NGOs, MPs to
allow them to take it to court and to show that their views were
considered but rejected.

I have got a copy of the oral evidence I gave which was sent to me by RS.

Sarbajit

On 12/19/13, Venkatesh Nayak <nayak.venkatesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are the names of the representatives of this group who made submissions to
> the Committee mentioned in the report? The individual names are the
> standard ones that crop up in such presentations.
> Venkat
>
>
> On 18 December 2013 01:43, devinder chopra <ddchop47@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sarabjit ji and All among us who supported All that you continued to
>> propose, suggest and demand-----* Congratulations!*
>>
>> NOW we await what the LOK SABHA decides and passes... till such Clime &
>> Time that * it gets IMPLEMENTED after the RIGHT person -- Woman or a
>> Man-- takes on this very unique challenge, in our Young Democracy!!*
>> Warm regards.
>> devinder das chopra
>> 9810338049
>> ***********************
>>
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>> On 17 December 2013 19:53, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Victory :
>>>
>>> IAC submission's to Rajya Sabha Committee on RTI Amendment Bill 2013
>>> accepted in-toto
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
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