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Re: [IAC#RG] SAVE-RTI update

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To all Save RTI friends,

We are grateful that RTI community has suggested names of over 200 RTI activists who can become Information Commissioners in response to Anna's Appeal.

The Team will first forward their representations protesting appointment of babus to PMO and DoPT.

Leader of Opposition's office has just indicated to us both their email IDs are not working, so a personal meeting is being arranged with her to discuss our grievance.

The list of names have come from all sources like IAC, NCPRI, NRTIForum etc.

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[IAC#RG] Fwd: Press Release, activists alarmed at possible EVM based fraud in impending elections


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From: Save Indian Democracy <contact@saveindiandemocracy.org>
Date: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:16 PM
Subject: Indian EVMs, activists alarmed at possible major fraud in impending elections
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Press Release
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Activists alarmed at ECI buying additional 2 lakh of same manipulable EVMs and combining State (5 states) and Central Elections together creating an environment for major fraud in coming elections

Activists who has been working on EVM issue during last 4 years are alarmed with recent news item that ECI is going to buy 2 lakhs (0.2 million) of same old EVMs and hold the coming state and central elections together in Nov 2013.    (Ref: July 2013, Times of India,  http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-07-28/india/40848346_1_evms-simultaneous-polls-early-polls ).

The issue is ECI under Dr. Quraishi has done multiple field trails with VVPAT (EVM with paper receipt), did multiple design modifications with help of ECI expert committee and zero'ed on a VVPAT machine design.  ECI even demonstrated to opposition parties to their satisfaction as of May 2013.   In Apr 2013, ECI  went to Supreme Court that they are ready to order the VVPAT machines once they get funds from Central Govt (see links below). 

After new election commissioner Mr. Sampath took over, everything came to full stop.  What is the imperative for ECI to hold state and central elections together in Nov 2013 and use that as a reason to procure 2 lakhs of same old EVMs that were known to be easily manipulated?   This is alarming because this is precisely creating conditions for major EVM  frauds (see blatant statewide examples of EVM fraud from 2009 below for which ECI has no answer).   Holding elections together when ECI is hard pressed to manage, buying large quantity of extra EVMs does not bode well for fairness of coming elections, based on several experiences in multiple states in 2009 elections (see AP example in particular below).   At current times where no party can gain absolute majority all it takes is manipulate small percentage (less than 5%) in select constituencies where margins are thin to tip the balance and even capture power.

This whole idea smells like conspiracy and given the way country is going through one scam after another it is not surprising?   Seems like with the possibility of loss of power the establishment seems to take drastic step to subvert democracy.   To address this activists are pursuing various strategies such as filing PILs in Supreme Court,  protests/Dharna at the Election Commission, increase both national and international awareness of the impending fraudulent elections,  bring to notice of the activists in countries ECI is selling the same old EVMs that can be manipulated etc.  Please note that Dr. Swamy PIL on EVM is coming up for hearing in Supreme Court on Aug 22nd.

Timeline from 2013 for VVPAT below:

1) Apr 2013, ECI informed Supreme Court  that VVPAT machine design is ready and just a matter of getting funding from Central Govt

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-07-28/india/40848346_1_evms-simultaneous-polls-early-polls

2)  May 2013, ECI demonstrated VVPAT machines to all political parties and got their agreement with timeline of how they determined right design after actual field trails and design enhancements

To understand the concerns of activists we have to go back to 2009 elections.

2009 Andhra Pradesh  EVM Fraud (state and central elections) - lagadapati precise prediction with thousands of EVMs lost and some sold as scrap
http://saveindiandemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/andhra-pradesh-2009-election-fraud/

2009 State wide fraud (Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, Assam, Manipur etc)
http://saveindiandemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/2009-state-wide-election-fraud-other-than-ap/


Court case on EVMs by Dr. Subramanian Swamy (Supreme Court hearing on Aug 22nd, 2013)


Other important links to put things in perspective:

Below are some very important links to put things in perspective,  about Hari demonstrating EVMs (see youtube video below) can be easily manipulated with Alex from USA and Rop from Netherlands in Indian media,  how stand alone EVMs are banned internationally across Europe and USA,  acceptance of research paper on manipulability of Indian EVM at prestigious ACM Computer Security Conference at Chicago 2010,  Dr. David Dill  (considered pioneer in election reforms in USA) statement on EVMs and invitation to ECI to USA etc.  

Indian EVMs are a tragic story of bureaucrats who know little of technology carrying it to extreme and foolishly defending it and an establishment that finds it attractive to manipulate and subvert democracy.   The software is written by few programmers and burnt into a chip in Japan/USA which we cannot even verify what is put in there.  And these countries do not even use EVMs.   The whole idea fails basic premise of transparency which is best put by German Supreme Court which banned them unanimously in first hearing with one question:  'How can lay voter be assured that his/her vote is counted against a candidate they voted for after converting the vote into bits and bytes?  If voter needs experts to understand it, then it is not transparent'.   ECI under Naveen Chawla lied to nation that our EVM are different and not networked.  As you can see international experts speak, the EVMs banned in all mature democracies are also not networked, they were banned for simple reason of lack of transparency, not even because of any concerns of fraud that occurred, particularly in Europe.   In a corrupt country like India with Transparency international index closee to Afghanisthan, this is the worst episode in Indian democracy.    It is a matter of shame after all the events in 2009 that our ECI is still continuing these machines.

1) Video on how to manipulate a real EVM (by Hari and top international experts Alex/Rop)?

2) Prestigious ACM computer Security conference paper on Indian EVM (Chicago, 2010)

3) Dr. David Dill (Stanford) Video message to Election Commission on what India can learn from International Experience

4) Presentation on how EVMs are banned internationally

5) Top International computer security Experts write to Election Commission

6) 'Democracy at Risk', book by GVL Narasimha Rao

7) Did NDA lost to UPA in 2004 and 2009 elections due to EVMs.

8) Conference on EVM by Dr. Swamy with international experts in Chennai in 2010

9) Dr. David Dill (Stanford) write to Election Commission

10) Omesh Saigal (retd IAS ) write on EVM use

11) Omesh Saigal (retd IAS) presentation on EVM
12) Arrest and harassment of Hari by Election Commission (Naveen Chawla)
http://saveindiandemocracy.wordpress.com/hari-harassment-by-police/

13) Journey of how it all started, on how activists took on EVM issue both in USA and India
http://saveindiandemocracy.wordpress.com/journey/

14) Hari Prasad awarded prestigious Pioneer of the year award by US Electronic Frontier Foundation
http://saveindiandemocracy.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/hari-prasad-awarded-pioneer-of-the-year-by-prestigious-electronic-frontier-foundation/


Key Websites:

1) Indian VETA website:   http://IndianEVM.com
2) USA based website:    http://SaveIndianDemocracy.org


Regards,
Satya Dosapati





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Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Dear Devinder

Irrespective of my personal views on such issues, I have to reply on behalf of a popular resistance movement which is backed by a century+ old patriotic revolutionary force which has a very fixed /  immutable ideology (carved in stone).

As summarised in IAC's manifesto,

"The primary goal of the IAC is to denounce and drive out foreign rulers of India and also their imperialist lackeys. As foreigners have no right to rule over Hindustanis, their agencies and dynasties must be expelled by all means so that Swaraj is established in Hindustan."

Please note that this ideology is non-negotiable for IAC. Nobody who disagrees with the above can ever be a member of IAC (you can be a subscriber). Let me also clarify that I am not a member of IAC.

Let me also further divulge that the core membership of IAC is furious at Mr. Rahul Gandhi's reported statement last year (after the Congress's UP debacle) that he is a "Brahmin". Unless this outrageous statement is justified  in RTI  (very unlikely) or withdrawn, Congress Party is equally unlikely to be getting IAC's (substantial) votes or sympathy cheaply. Indian Citizenship can be purchased but not all Hindustan's castes.

The statement of Mr. Rajan at the Pravasi meet of 2005 I excerpted in an early post on this issue also has to be read in the same light.

Real India doesn't need or want such questionable persons in operational positions. There is no shortage of equally, if not better, meritorious people in India (who don't have godfathers like Mr. Rajan) who are overlooked. Our IITs and IIMs are not subsidised by the Indian Tax-payer to be factories to churn out mid-level executives for the West. If Mr. Rajan is so good he should be heading up the Fed. Why isn't he ?

Sarbajit





On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Mr Roy the context was the appointment of an NRI India as the governor of the Reserve bank of India. and the questions which arise in the cynical minds.
 
Regarding your comments about having an MP of Italian origin in the Lok Sabha. Do you not read the emails on these links and the insult and charges which are hurled at her on a daily basis. Regards Devinder

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 14:15

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

What sort of logic is this ?
 
An UK CITIZEN of Indian Origin can sit in the House of Lords/Commons but cannot sit in Lok Sabha or be a Minister here.

An Indian Citizen of Italian origin can sit in Lok Sabha and also in Italian Senate and even become PM of Italy.

Therefore an American Citizen of Indian origin is free to become Governor of the Bank of England or Bank of Italy but not of RBI  and cannot become Prez of USA ?

I give up, you win. I cannot argue with such impeccable logic.


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
There has to be a limit to narrow minded thinking. People of Indian origin are sitting in the House of Lords and commons in the UK and senators in America. and no one is bothered about it. Why can't a most suitable American  individual of Indian origin can not become the governor of the Reserve Bank of India.??  Devinder   

From: MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 9:28

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Can US citizen become RBI Governor?I am sure Cabinet commitee must have double checked the credentials of RR?If he can despite his Non cititizen of India status can Non US citizen also become occupy similar position in US Treasury?

MRCI


 
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Dear Brig

How is your dear Mr (Tamilian) Rajan related to you. Is it through his RAW father or did you also get a share in the US Government Grants repeatedly given to Dr. Rajan from US Federal Funds which as per the "conflict of interest" Chapter IV-A guidelines on NSF website is only given to individuals with US citizenship.

Now the CIA backed BJP and Congis have joined forces to get this US citizen made as our RBI Governor. MM Joshi has expectedly asked a query in RS and will be given a xerox of RR's Indian passport. (This does not mean he does not have a {secret} US one also).

BJP/CIA barking dogs had better apply the same standards to Rajan's citizenship / passports as they do to Sonia's.

Sarbajit


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
Sarbajit is obviously jealous of the achievements of our very dear new RBI Governor
 
It is stupid to assume the RBI GOVERNOR is a foreigner. Yes he has gone abroad to study for furthering his prospects and he has really done well every where he went. I hope he will do well in this assignment as well.  You cannot compare him to others we all refer time and again and glorify them for all wrong reasons 
Vishwanath Mada
 
Executive President, Maharastra State
National Human Rights Centre
 



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Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Mr Roy the context was the appointment of an NRI India as the governor of the Reserve bank of India. and the questions which arise in the cynical minds.
 
Regarding your comments about having an MP of Italian origin in the Lok Sabha. Do you not read the emails on these links and the insult and charges which are hurled at her on a daily basis. Regards Devinder

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 14:15
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

What sort of logic is this ?
 
An UK CITIZEN of Indian Origin can sit in the House of Lords/Commons but cannot sit in Lok Sabha or be a Minister here.

An Indian Citizen of Italian origin can sit in Lok Sabha and also in Italian Senate and even become PM of Italy.

Therefore an American Citizen of Indian origin is free to become Governor of the Bank of England or Bank of Italy but not of RBI  and cannot become Prez of USA ?

I give up, you win. I cannot argue with such impeccable logic.


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
There has to be a limit to narrow minded thinking. People of Indian origin are sitting in the House of Lords and commons in the UK and senators in America. and no one is bothered about it. Why can't a most suitable American  individual of Indian origin can not become the governor of the Reserve Bank of India.??  Devinder   

From: MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 9:28

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Can US citizen become RBI Governor?I am sure Cabinet commitee must have double checked the credentials of RR?If he can despite his Non cititizen of India status can Non US citizen also become occupy similar position in US Treasury?

MRCI


 
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Yet another "foreigner" to rule over us.

Dear Brig

How is your dear Mr (Tamilian) Rajan related to you. Is it through his RAW father or did you also get a share in the US Government Grants repeatedly given to Dr. Rajan from US Federal Funds which as per the "conflict of interest" Chapter IV-A guidelines on NSF website is only given to individuals with US citizenship.

Now the CIA backed BJP and Congis have joined forces to get this US citizen made as our RBI Governor. MM Joshi has expectedly asked a query in RS and will be given a xerox of RR's Indian passport. (This does not mean he does not have a {secret} US one also).

BJP/CIA barking dogs had better apply the same standards to Rajan's citizenship / passports as they do to Sonia's.

Sarbajit


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
Sarbajit is obviously jealous of the achievements of our very dear new RBI Governor
 
It is stupid to assume the RBI GOVERNOR is a foreigner. Yes he has gone abroad to study for furthering his prospects and he has really done well every where he went. I hope he will do well in this assignment as well.  You cannot compare him to others we all refer time and again and glorify them for all wrong reasons 
Vishwanath Mada
 
Executive President, Maharastra State
National Human Rights Centre
 



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[HumJanenge] SAVE-RTI update

To all Save RTI friends,

We are grateful that RTI community has suggested names of over 200 RTI activists who can become Information Commissioners in response to Anna's Appeal.

The Team will first forward their representations protesting appointment of babus to PMO and DoPT.

Leader of Opposition's office has just indicated to us both their email IDs are not working, so a personal meeting is being arranged with her to discuss our grievance.

The list of names have come from all sources like IAC, NCPRI, NRTIForum etc.

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[IAC#RG] SAVE-RTI update

To all Save RTI friends,

We are grateful that RTI community has suggested names of over 200 RTI activists who can become Information Commissioners in response to Anna's Appeal.

The Team will first forward their representations protesting appointment of babus to PMO and DoPT.

Leader of Opposition's office has just indicated to us both their email IDs are not working, so a personal meeting is being arranged with her to discuss our grievance.

The list of names have come from all sources like IAC, NCPRI, NRTIForum etc.

In service of RTI

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[rti4empowerment] SAVE-RTI update

To all Save RTI friends,

We are grateful that RTI community has suggested names of over 200 RTI activists who can become Information Commissioners in response to Anna's Appeal.

The Team will first forward their representations protesting appointment of babus to PMO and DoPT.

Leader of Opposition's office has just indicated to us both their email IDs are not working, so a personal meeting is being arranged with her to discuss our grievance.

The list of names have come from all sources like IAC, NCPRI, NRTIForum etc.

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