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Friday, June 14, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Hello Friends,

Present definition of corruption needs to be widened to include inaction, negligence & all acts of ommissions and commissions of public servants, inorder to deal effectively with corruption.

Best regards,

Navin Pandya

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:40:06 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Sarabjit,

I have been reading the interesting material being circulated by you and am fully convinced that we must all act against corruption which is ruining our country.

However, words alone will not take us anywhere.Talking to each other is fine but where is the ORGANISATION/ PLAN / ACTION?

A few suggestions:

1)Make a group which will receive information requiring action. They will screen and provide a second group to take action.

2)The second group will go into the field and get the corrupt into trouble.No individual can do this as he will not know how to proceed and will fear repercussions. Also much follow up is needed as otherwise the corrupt get away.

3) Tie up with organisations like " I PAID A BRIBE " to develop cases for action.

4)I believe Courts now accept video clips as proof. In any case Departments do.Any employee caught on camera can be quickly suspended ,at half pay(Govt. rules permit this), and dismissed from service with no pension.Such action ,once started, will scare terribly and reduce corruption.

5)We will need to develop a tech. group to provide assistance for video surveillance. Expert skilled individuals/gadgets ,training etc. will be involved

6)Funds will be needed to do all this and another group will need to do fund raising. There are several international organisations providing considerable funds for such work; all of us will also pitch in.

7)A legal assistance group will be needed for seeing cases thru courts

8)Yet another group will be needed to collect and disseminate info re candidates standing for election to help elect honest/efficient/non-criminal persons.

9)An office space will be required to operate from.

ACTION produces tremendous euphoria /motivation ;let us go for it in a big way.

Unless we begin attacking the problem there is little chance of getting anywhere

Wishing your effort success,

Sincerely,

Satish Vaish ( former General Manager ,Indian Railways)

416,Tower 2, East of Kailash,New Delhi, 110065

cell no 9811158559

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On 14-Jun-2013, at 18:24, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:

after a more than 3 years I could see your participation in open forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C A Shah D J
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From: CA Chitranjan Bharadia <chitranjan@bharadiamaheshwari.com>
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Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 5:57 AM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Right Movement……

We agree for the same.

Thanks with Best Regards

CA Chitranjan Bharadia

Ahmedabad

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Sent: 14 June 2013 02:45
To: indiaresists
Subject: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Friends and fellow patriots.

Its been 7 months since IAC began formally jettisoning everybody who did not share our common vision of how India shall become a great nation where citizens are respected and accorded their rights equally.

Now, it was never the intention of IAC to be a intellectual group for idle chatter, as IAC's foes (and there are many of them), have been led to believe. IAC's strengths actually lie hidden elsewhere as every ruling party knows but cannot express in public.

So it is better that I speak frankly now on the direction the intellectual side of the IAC movement will be taking. But first a few basic truths (as IAC sees them) so that those who disagree can unsubscribe themselves :-

1) The vast majority of citizens are insignificant when it comes tackling real corruption. Citizens are the disease and not its cure.

2) The entire system of governance is completely corrupt. There is not a single democratic institution left standing which is not afflicted by corruption or taken over by vested interests. In particular the 2 institutions which are supposed to act as bulwarks against the State - the Judiciary and the Media have been afflicted even more by corruption's rot than the rot within the Government. The less said about the present state of the Indian Defence Services and our para-military fighting forces the better.

3) Today it is impossible for a private citizen to avail either the Judiciary or the Media unless his interest and that of the institution converge. IAC has learned this the bitter way when we refused to accept (as a honest and principled apolitical movement) the profit sharing deals offered to us by some media houses offering to "run" our campaign.

4) India is going to be under election fever for the next 8 months so to expect that anything on anti-corruption beyond shrill rhetoric and false promises will be achieved is a pipe dream. Better we stay rooted to reality and tangible deliverables instead of futile / time-pass discussion on mailing lists.

5) Being blacklisted by all media networks, IAC shall be setting up its own online and grassroots media outlets. IAC is entering the political information space to provide IAC's unique political and governance views to citizens at large and not only to our list subscribers. Having 57,000+ readers is simply not enough when we need to get IAC's focused message out to at least 20 times that number. (NB: There is an initial period of about 4 to 6 months required to "seed" our forthcoming non-traditional news platforms (which, just to clarify, is not based on social networks)

6) IAC has correctly read the present trend - 2014 is likely to have a 3rd front government with outside support, NaMo's elevation has started that process as we expected. Election results in the 5 States going to assembly polls will show that, but interestingly a win for BJP in these States in 2013 will go against them in the Lok Sabha polls (except in Delhi). As all sides (including IAC) are constantly measuring the "mind" of the voter, all kinds of interesting combinations and strategies will be popping up to get that elusive "Wave".

2014 is going to be the most bitter campaign India has had so far (and IAC will be in the thick of it).

More soon.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Dear Mr Sarbjit Roy

I can see a malicious intention in you against Mr Kejriwal. I do not know how pure are you yourself to cast aspersion on any one and everyone or may you are in the habit of doing so. You seem to disbeleve even Adm Ramdas. BTW who do you believe, I do not know if u believe yrself.

You can do great if you avoid these activities of yours. You have very good intentions in you please exploit these for the benefit of the society and the country and yourself too.

I wish you good luck in your endeavours.

With regards

Vijoy Ambasta

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

It has taken 9 months for AAP to "clear" Mayank Gandhi of corruption charges leveled against him by Viren Shah and others. The baby they delivered is still-born.

8 of those 9 months were spent in desperately searching for 2 persons (in the whole of India) who would exonerate Mayank against the specific charges made against him with reams of evidence.

Actually when I had raised the issue of non-investigation of charges against Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan 3 months back, AAP publicly said no charges had been made against them - a blatant lie as it now turns out.

So lets see who the 2 scamps (for that is the best word to describe them) they found to exonerate Mayank Gandhi are.

a) Admiral Ramdas (Retd CoNS)
b) Illina Sen (wife of Binayak Sen) (and so what if she is a lady)

both of whom are so close to Prashant Bhushan that even the worlds thinnest condom will find it tough to squeeze between them.

After reading their semi-illiterate and mendacious exoneration of Mayank. Gandhi, I look forward to reading how they now get Ms. Damania and Mr. Bhushan off.

So if this is the brave new world Aam Aadmi Party is offering us - where judge, jury and executioner are all "fixed" (remember the Amar Singh allegations against Shanti Bhushan of fixing a judge for 4 crores), please give me Amar Singh any day for at least he makes no pretence of being honest.

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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE: publication by India Against Corruption

I had similar opinion as Vidyut on the piece from Mr Sarkar. I am not getting into details of what he has put forth, as Vidyut has already done so.

To even think of putting the problems women face with those of men is audacious, to say the least.

We must not encourage extremist views, even if we propagate freedom of press.

Sent from my iPad

On 14-Jun-2013, at 16:51, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Vidyut

1) Lets confine ourselves to real issues.
a) The Indian media is NOT free.

b) Censorship is both overt and covert.
c) You have faced censorship and threats (as have I).

d) We remember your blogposts on Sailgate, and also "MoneyLife journalists getting threats" which got taken down / trimmed
I recall your support for Aseem Trivedi (who is, in my opinion, a pathetic cartoonist who well deserved to be censored / jailed).

So for IAC "Freedom of Speech and Expression" is a core issue. IAC wants it, IAC will fight for it, IAC will (to the availability of its resources and operational priorities) defend this principle / right.

2) The information dissemination platforms IAC is putting in place are not identified with IAC.

3) Items / articles which are published by IAC are "cleaned up" to remove much of the bias / slant. Although we defend the right to have ALL sides of an issue published / circulated, IAC reserves the right to ULTIMATELY determine the balance / tone (we prefer though that the news contributors do so on their own).

It would be highly counter-productive if IAC platforms are perceived as biased / slanted / propagandist etc.

4) Ordinary people can, and do, have "extra-ordinary" views which deserve to get better known. That is what Democracy (and a Republic) requires to flourish.

5) IAC does not defend or support any other organisation or THEIR policies.

6) The trick is to find balance and consensus. We did that internally for IAC's submissions to Justice Verma Committee where your views (and also SIFFs) got incorporated. Balance is achieved when either "both sides are happy, or both sides are equally unhappy".

7) If anyone leaves the battlefield, it concedes a walkover to their opponents. IAC needs participation from all sides, rival persons, rival organisations, rival religions, everyone is welcome at IAC IFF the goal is common and the decencies are maintained.

8) EQUALLY, other organisations need IAC. Its a "win-win" for all concerned.

9) Oftentimes, people / organisations are FORCED to adopt extremist / absurd positions because they are not heard.

10) Lets not jump our fences before seeing the entire picture. Lets see if experts like you and me can get scalable, resilient, credible info-channels in place even if the SIFFs of this reality eventually use it more than you or I do.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:

I find SIFF to be an extremely misogynist organization doing little for the rights of men and more of objection to any protection of women. For example, SIFF does zero about male on male abuse. Either sexual or otherwise. Within family or without.

In this latest episode, the idea that women threaten men as some kind of controlling gimmick is an extreme generalization. People prone to suicide are known to speak about it aloud. For example, in this case they are objecting to, Pancholi has confessed to assault on Jiah Khan. They were in a long term relationship and he was hardly unaware of previous attempt to suicide. What is the responsibility of a partner of a suicidal person? Is it the sole responsibility of the mother as SIFF appears to present? How is physical assault ignored so blatantly?

SIFF promotes several lies.

Some more from this article itself are that abatement to suicide is punishable only in India. This is bullshit. Provoking suicide is punishable almost worldwide - particularly when accompanied (which Pancholi himself has confessed to). Forget laws and such - let us talk of two high profile cases. The first the nurse to Kate Middleton who got pranked b the Australiam radio hosts and committed suicide. This is UK. The second is Dharun Ravi convicted for provoking the suicide of Clementi. This is US. Naming these, because with Indian connections, they may be easier to remember.

SIFF likes to present a false association between high rates of suicide between married men and abuse, when in fact, there is no proven corelation. For example, self-employed men are a far larger percentage of suicides than married men.

SIFF likes to focus on the idea that both men and women are abused without looking at the corresponding fact that in the abuse of both men and women, men are majority of the abusers. Women are NOT "equally" abusers as SIFF likes to present.

SIFF has been known to fake information, claims and work to oppose protection of women rather than protecting men as it superficially claims.

Finally, Jiah Khan did not merely threaten Pancholi with suicide, she accused him of assault - something he confesses to. She accuses him of ditching her after promises of marriage - something Pancholi's mom herself has implied to media. Lastly, a threat isn't a form of manipulation if the action warned about actually happens. Jiah Khan is dead.

And so on. There are several articles debunking this crap. The basic method is to look at the exception and call it the norm. It is almost like saying Sikhs are evil because a few must have attacked the others in 1984, while wholly ignoring the massacre itself.

This is not to say that there isn't misuse of laws or that women don't misuse rights or that men don't suffer. However, it is not logical or helpful to put blanket blame on women as being malicious by default. For example, this letter itself speaks of threats of suicide by women to helpless men - in the title itself, while going on to treat a man's suicide as genuine harassment - a view that is held against the credibility women, while it is cops who did not file the case - unknown gender, usually male. Particularly since our population ratio, crime statistics are completely opposite of this claim. The idea that dead, injured, and violated women are unimportant gets promoted when you have an organization that questions the credibility of most crime stats without ANY factual basis whatsoever.

I forget the link. This mythical helpline of theirs gets 98% calls related with men being abused, which how an article by this bunch claims 98% men are abused. I suppose if 98% people walking into a jeweller's shop buy jewellery, it is safe to say all Indians buy lakhs worth jewellery each, daily. Manufactured stats at its finest.

I object to this nonsense and highly misogynist propaganda given a platform and credibility on IAC. Either this crap is rejected, or I exit. Non negotiable. My presence holds a certain credibility on human rights related views. I refuse to grant it to a platform that openly promotes an organization working against women.

Vidyut

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC participants,

Swaup Sarkar's email to me, below, encapsulates the problem, ordinary people or groups with extra-ordinary views have in being heard in a controlled information society.

An information society where editorial content is openly negotiated for advertising revenue (Zee TV and Naveen Jindal), or where semi-literate persons wielding power arbitrarily (Wikipedia refusing to acknowledge P Kalyanasundaram simply because his "truth" and Jimbo Wales's don't mesh).

When somebody approached me about 10 days back because he was harassed by a particularly abusive blogger (whose father incidentally is our valued contributor on spirituality and misgovernance) and a paid chamcha for Baba Ramdev, I advised the individual to use "open source cloud technology" to correct the information imbalance. Clouding works: for eg. Do a google search for "Baba Ramdev Coward" or "Sanjeev Sabhlok ass" to confirm that these links are #1 (or at least top 5) on Google.

So members can shortly start sending IAC their UNIQUE Press Releases and articles on politics, politicians, corruption, governance, events etc. with the IAC GUARANTEE that IAC will publish it if it meets IAC's standards (which we will inform members shortly).

PS: Save India Family Foundation's Press Release has been uploaded (after cleaning it up), but our sites are not operational (as yet) for public view.

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

Unfortunately, the dogfight goes on and the real corrupt enjoy the party.

It was told to Arvind Kejriwal and other AAP workers, there is nothing you should

do for the people of this country because many of them will betray you and throw

you into the garbage bin when time comes.

Regards,
Kamal Shah

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Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 2:20 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

It has taken 9 months for AAP to "clear" Mayank Gandhi of corruption charges leveled against him by Viren Shah and others. The baby they delivered is still-born.

8 of those 9 months were spent in desperately searching for 2 persons (in the whole of India) who would exonerate Mayank against the specific charges made against him with reams of evidence.

Actually when I had raised the issue of non-investigation of charges against Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan 3 months back, AAP publicly said no charges had been made against them - a blatant lie as it now turns out.

So lets see who the 2 scamps (for that is the best word to describe them) they found to exonerate Mayank Gandhi are.

a) Admiral Ramdas (Retd CoNS)
b) Illina Sen (wife of Binayak Sen) (and so what if she is a lady)

both of whom are so close to Prashant Bhushan that even the worlds thinnest condom will find it tough to squeeze between them.

After reading their semi-illiterate and mendacious exoneration of Mayank. Gandhi, I look forward to reading how they now get Ms. Damania and Mr. Bhushan off.

So if this is the brave new world Aam Aadmi Party is offering us - where judge, jury and executioner are all "fixed" (remember the Amar Singh allegations against Shanti Bhushan of fixing a judge for 4 crores), please give me Amar Singh any day for at least he makes no pretence of being honest.

Sarbajit

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[IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?

It has taken 9 months for AAP to "clear" Mayank Gandhi of corruption charges leveled against him by Viren Shah and others. The baby they delivered is still-born.

8 of those 9 months were spent in desperately searching for 2 persons (in the whole of India) who would exonerate Mayank against the specific charges made against him with reams of evidence.

Actually when I had raised the issue of non-investigation of charges against Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan 3 months back, AAP publicly said no charges had been made against them - a blatant lie as it now turns out.

So lets see who the 2 scamps (for that is the best word to describe them) they found to exonerate Mayank Gandhi are.

a) Admiral Ramdas (Retd CoNS)
b) Illina Sen (wife of Binayak Sen) (and so what if she is a lady)

both of whom are so close to Prashant Bhushan that even the worlds thinnest condom will find it tough to squeeze between them.

After reading their semi-illiterate and mendacious exoneration of Mayank. Gandhi, I look forward to reading how they now get Ms. Damania and Mr. Bhushan off.

So if this is the brave new world Aam Aadmi Party is offering us - where judge, jury and executioner are all "fixed" (remember the Amar Singh allegations against Shanti Bhushan of fixing a judge for 4 crores), please give me Amar Singh any day for at least he makes no pretence of being honest.

Sarbajit

Re: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Sarabjit,

I have been reading the interesting material being circulated by you and am fully convinced that we must all act against corruption which is ruining our country.

However, words alone will not take us anywhere.Talking to each other is fine but where is the ORGANISATION/ PLAN / ACTION?

A few suggestions:

1)Make a group which will receive information requiring action. They will screen and provide a second group to take action.

3) Tie up with organisations like " I PAID A BRIBE " to develop cases for action.

5)We will need to develop a tech. group to provide assistance for video surveillance. Expert skilled individuals/gadgets ,training etc. will be involved

7)A legal assistance group will be needed for seeing cases thru courts

8)Yet another group will be needed to collect and disseminate info re candidates standing for election to help elect honest/efficient/non-criminal persons.

9)An office space will be required to operate from.

ACTION produces tremendous euphoria /motivation ;let us go for it in a big way.

Unless we begin attacking the problem there is little chance of getting anywhere

Wishing your effort success,

Sincerely,

Satish Vaish ( former General Manager ,Indian Railways)

416,Tower 2, East of Kailash,New Delhi, 110065

cell no 9811158559

Sent from my iPad

On 14-Jun-2013, at 18:24, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:

after a more than 3 years I could see your participation in open forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C A Shah D J
USA

From: CA Chitranjan Bharadia <chitranjan@bharadiamaheshwari.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 5:57 AM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Right Movement……

We agree for the same.

Thanks with Best Regards

CA Chitranjan Bharadia

Ahmedabad

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: 14 June 2013 02:45
To: indiaresists
Subject: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Friends and fellow patriots.

Its been 7 months since IAC began formally jettisoning everybody who did not share our common vision of how India shall become a great nation where citizens are respected and accorded their rights equally.

Now, it was never the intention of IAC to be a intellectual group for idle chatter, as IAC's foes (and there are many of them), have been led to believe. IAC's strengths actually lie hidden elsewhere as every ruling party knows but cannot express in public.

So it is better that I speak frankly now on the direction the intellectual side of the IAC movement will be taking. But first a few basic truths (as IAC sees them) so that those who disagree can unsubscribe themselves :-

1) The vast majority of citizens are insignificant when it comes tackling real corruption. Citizens are the disease and not its cure.

2) The entire system of governance is completely corrupt. There is not a single democratic institution left standing which is not afflicted by corruption or taken over by vested interests. In particular the 2 institutions which are supposed to act as bulwarks against the State - the Judiciary and the Media have been afflicted even more by corruption's rot than the rot within the Government. The less said about the present state of the Indian Defence Services and our para-military fighting forces the better.

3) Today it is impossible for a private citizen to avail either the Judiciary or the Media unless his interest and that of the institution converge. IAC has learned this the bitter way when we refused to accept (as a honest and principled apolitical movement) the profit sharing deals offered to us by some media houses offering to "run" our campaign.

4) India is going to be under election fever for the next 8 months so to expect that anything on anti-corruption beyond shrill rhetoric and false promises will be achieved is a pipe dream. Better we stay rooted to reality and tangible deliverables instead of futile / time-pass discussion on mailing lists.

5) Being blacklisted by all media networks, IAC shall be setting up its own online and grassroots media outlets. IAC is entering the political information space to provide IAC's unique political and governance views to citizens at large and not only to our list subscribers. Having 57,000+ readers is simply not enough when we need to get IAC's focused message out to at least 20 times that number. (NB: There is an initial period of about 4 to 6 months required to "seed" our forthcoming non-traditional news platforms (which, just to clarify, is not based on social networks)

6) IAC has correctly read the present trend - 2014 is likely to have a 3rd front government with outside support, NaMo's elevation has started that process as we expected. Election results in the 5 States going to assembly polls will show that, but interestingly a win for BJP in these States in 2013 will go against them in the Lok Sabha polls (except in Delhi). As all sides (including IAC) are constantly measuring the "mind" of the voter, all kinds of interesting combinations and strategies will be popping up to get that elusive "Wave".

2014 is going to be the most bitter campaign India has had so far (and IAC will be in the thick of it).

More soon.

Sarbajit

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RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

If you are serious about improving our political system, you should ensure that no corrupt politician gets elected !! After all that happened in Karnataka, how can we accept Yeddy getting elected when Anna, Khejriwal and IAC were around!!!.

What are we doing ? There is no point .Either IAC should just melt away or IAC must see to it that a corrupt guy gets defeated irrespective of the party to which he belongs.!! It is bloody shame a person like Yeddy gets elected by our voters simply based on the caste !!! What a shame !! Seshadri

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Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 4:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Right Movement……

We agree for the same.

Thanks with Best Regards

CA Chitranjan Bharadia

Ahmedabad

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Sent: 14 June 2013 02:45
To: indiaresists
Subject: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Friends and fellow patriots.

Its been 7 months since IAC began formally jettisoning everybody who did not share our common vision of how India shall become a great nation where citizens are respected and accorded their rights equally.

Now, it was never the intention of IAC to be a intellectual group for idle chatter, as IAC's foes (and there are many of them), have been led to believe. IAC's strengths actually lie hidden elsewhere as every ruling party knows but cannot express in public.

So it is better that I speak frankly now on the direction the intellectual side of the IAC movement will be taking. But first a few basic truths (as IAC sees them) so that those who disagree can unsubscribe themselves :-

1) The vast majority of citizens are insignificant when it comes tackling real corruption. Citizens are the disease and not its cure.

2) The entire system of governance is completely corrupt. There is not a single democratic institution left standing which is not afflicted by corruption or taken over by vested interests. In particular the 2 institutions which are supposed to act as bulwarks against the State - the Judiciary and the Media have been afflicted even more by corruption's rot than the rot within the Government. The less said about the present state of the Indian Defence Services and our para-military fighting forces the better.

3) Today it is impossible for a private citizen to avail either the Judiciary or the Media unless his interest and that of the institution converge. IAC has learned this the bitter way when we refused to accept (as a honest and principled apolitical movement) the profit sharing deals offered to us by some media houses offering to "run" our campaign.

4) India is going to be under election fever for the next 8 months so to expect that anything on anti-corruption beyond shrill rhetoric and false promises will be achieved is a pipe dream. Better we stay rooted to reality and tangible deliverables instead of futile / time-pass discussion on mailing lists.

5) Being blacklisted by all media networks, IAC shall be setting up its own online and grassroots media outlets. IAC is entering the political information space to provide IAC's unique political and governance views to citizens at large and not only to our list subscribers. Having 57,000+ readers is simply not enough when we need to get IAC's focused message out to at least 20 times that number. (NB: There is an initial period of about 4 to 6 months required to "seed" our forthcoming non-traditional news platforms (which, just to clarify, is not based on social networks)

6) IAC has correctly read the present trend - 2014 is likely to have a 3rd front government with outside support, NaMo's elevation has started that process as we expected. Election results in the 5 States going to assembly polls will show that, but interestingly a win for BJP in these States in 2013 will go against them in the Lok Sabha polls (except in Delhi). As all sides (including IAC) are constantly measuring the "mind" of the voter, all kinds of interesting combinations and strategies will be popping up to get that elusive "Wave".

2014 is going to be the most bitter campaign India has had so far (and IAC will be in the thick of it).

More soon.

Sarbajit