People are not realizing that every coin has two sides. There is logic in both sides but are not realizing that their interpretations needn't be always right. At least one should keep provision for oneself to be wrong. Just because a protest made for independence a national cause was a success story to be admired how can we conclude that protest is a great unquestionable tool for any situation. Protest was appropriately chosen for getting independence by great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and that was the reason for it's success. Now all are copying Mahatma Gandhi's approach of protesting with the hope that they will be admired as mahatma one day and are searching for cause. If every body starts doing it with out qualities of mahatma some real mahatma will have to come and finish the so called mahatmas to save the country. There after again several duplicate mahatmas will try to finish all those who protest with the example of what the Mahatma did for finishing protesters.
The followers of great people therefore should realize that they are only followers and shouldn't take rules in their hand. What will happen if every body start doing what they want to do. So in the pretext of following the path of Mahatma the so called leaders and followers shouldn't make mockery of our democracy. The responsible citizens of the country shouldn't spare such people. In a democracy we have several legitimate ways to do justice to our country. But we must also realize that we will get only what we deserve. Plight of our country is that the people are such that our country is handicapped. Let us have a retrospection and improve ourselves to do good for the country, may be our country will produce some more Mahatmas to save the country from corruption.
Balu
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Re: [IAC#RG] HAPPY NEWS FOR RTI ACTIVISTS
Sir, None of the stamp vendors sell the stamps at the face value. also if you need Rs 10 stamp paper he will say that he has only Rs 50 paper. Then you are compelled to but Rs 50 stamp paper at Rs 75. Then what is the benefit to the vendor? The benefit is 25+5=30 on Rs 45 investment. i.e. more than 60%. --- On Fri, 1/3/13, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC#RG] Is it ethical moderating by India against Corruption Moderators?
Dear Babubhai
You have already mentioned that messages from this list go straight to your spam folder where you savour them at length.
By such unilaterals, you have perhaps missed out a few important posts from the moderators - which I am summarising again.
1) SURPRISE SURPRISE, IAC moderators do not approve each and every message sent to this list. They don't even approve 1 out of 5 messages, We approve about 1 out of 10 messages !!!
2) We do this like ROBOTS - ie by predefined RULES, so that we have a consistent pattern.
3) We give preference to occasional posters. Members like you who post 10 messages everyday to the group get lower priority.
4) We place great emphasis on CONTENT. For us Content is King., even if it is 180-degrees opposed to our own private views.
5) We have a "links" policy. 50% of your emails are rejected due to external links and shortened URLs.
6) I could go on and on. Play by the Rules and your messages MAY be posted.
Sarbajit
You have already mentioned that messages from this list go straight to your spam folder where you savour them at length.
By such unilaterals, you have perhaps missed out a few important posts from the moderators - which I am summarising again.
1) SURPRISE SURPRISE, IAC moderators do not approve each and every message sent to this list. They don't even approve 1 out of 5 messages, We approve about 1 out of 10 messages !!!
2) We do this like ROBOTS - ie by predefined RULES, so that we have a consistent pattern.
3) We give preference to occasional posters. Members like you who post 10 messages everyday to the group get lower priority.
4) We place great emphasis on CONTENT. For us Content is King., even if it is 180-degrees opposed to our own private views.
5) We have a "links" policy. 50% of your emails are rejected due to external links and shortened URLs.
6) I could go on and on. Play by the Rules and your messages MAY be posted.
Sarbajit
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,Members contribute here by way of their own personal views with which everyone else may or may not agree as individual opinions vary based on one's knowledge and past experience.
And, the Moderators are expected to clear the posts on the running topic in the sequence of timing in which they are posted by Members.
SELECTIVELY POSTING THE VIEWS ON THE RUNNING TOPIC certainly cannot be said to be ethical.With warm regards,Babubhai.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Subject: RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Dear All,In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,--
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Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
I think it was obvious that Mr Vijaya Singh was being sardonic.
Sarbajit
Sarbajit
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh, So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike, peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of the ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to conclution that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt. you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems of the country. God save our Democracy !!
With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
--- On Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:03 PM-----Inline Attachment Follows-----I suppose slogan shouting and dharnas are the ultimate solution for all problems of the country.
Regards,
Vijaya Singh
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To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:30 PM
Subject: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
ToIndia Against CorruptionWITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHINGWhen the Finance Minister allots funds in his budget under various schemes and claims that all these schemes are ultimately for the benefit of the economically deprived section of the society, the common men inevitably view such budget proposals with scepticism and disinterest.The fact is that there is no project of the government today where substantial amount of funds are not syphoned away by the politicians , government officials at various levels and business men ; all at the cost the aam admi for whom such projects and funds are supposed to be ultimately intended. In India , it has become a hopeless situation , with the Prime Minister of India not seem to be concerned about the level of corruption and nepotism in his administration. He conveniently keeps his eyes and mouth closed , while the fact is that he has all the powers to enforce probity in public life , if only he has the desire, will and administrative acumen.This budget which the Prime Minister and Finance minister claim as one of thoughtful exercise , is a wasteful document as far as the common man is concerned, who now realises that anything positive can happen in the country only with the eradication of corruption. In such corrupt conditions, the budget is a proposal in vacuum, as the implementing machinery continues to remain dishonest.N.S.VenkataramanNandini Voice for The DeprivedEmail:- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
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Re: [IAC#RG] महात्मा गाँधी और नेताजी
Dear Dhirendra,
Which Party is that ?
As we all know, Kiran Bedi very graciously gave up her seat in the
LokPal Bill drafting Committee so that Shanthi Bhushanji (former Union
Law Minister) could become its co-Chairman - instead of Justice
Santosh Hegde (who was only a retired Judge of the Supreme Court) and
so that protocols could be preserved (Pranab Mukherjee - Union
Minister for the State v/s former Union Minister as co-chair for the
People).
Sarbajit
On 3/1/13, Dhirendra pandey <dhirendrapandey09@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sir,
>
> If we want to increase our power, kiran bedi should join our party......
> On Feb 26, 2013 9:47 PM, "Shanti Bhushan" <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Very well said.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
Which Party is that ?
As we all know, Kiran Bedi very graciously gave up her seat in the
LokPal Bill drafting Committee so that Shanthi Bhushanji (former Union
Law Minister) could become its co-Chairman - instead of Justice
Santosh Hegde (who was only a retired Judge of the Supreme Court) and
so that protocols could be preserved (Pranab Mukherjee - Union
Minister for the State v/s former Union Minister as co-chair for the
People).
Sarbajit
On 3/1/13, Dhirendra pandey <dhirendrapandey09@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sir,
>
> If we want to increase our power, kiran bedi should join our party......
> On Feb 26, 2013 9:47 PM, "Shanti Bhushan" <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Very well said.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
By letting the matter remain unresolved, we are only swallowing another injustice. There is not even an iota of doubt that General VK Singh's date of birth is indeed May 51 as clearly brought out and substantiated by him. Perhaps, at a time like this when the country is faced with unprecedented crises of both 'governance' and 'corruption', reopening this can of worms which is squarely and unashamedly of the governments making, tantamounts to shifting the focus from the larger issues.
Doubtless, when there is a saner and unautocratic dispensation in place, a post mortem of this case will lead to 'egg on the face' of the perpetrator (read - conspirators). Unfortunately they have long since stop feeling ashamed.
I normally keep a listening watch on this site - not that I am any the less perturbed with the sad turn (nadir) that our nations polity has taken. In this case, since I have dealt with similar issues, I felt the need to clarify in the hope that it contributes to putting the matter onto the backburner.
RAdm Mahendra Pratap Taneja (retd)
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 04:58:12 +0000
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
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Doubtless, when there is a saner and unautocratic dispensation in place, a post mortem of this case will lead to 'egg on the face' of the perpetrator (read - conspirators). Unfortunately they have long since stop feeling ashamed.
I normally keep a listening watch on this site - not that I am any the less perturbed with the sad turn (nadir) that our nations polity has taken. In this case, since I have dealt with similar issues, I felt the need to clarify in the hope that it contributes to putting the matter onto the backburner.
RAdm Mahendra Pratap Taneja (retd)
From: bdsutaria@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 04:58:12 +0000
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
THERE IS JOKE GOING ON SO PLEASE TAKE THAT WAY:
IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:25:27 +0530
From: colmsmann@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
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IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:25:27 +0530
From: colmsmann@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,
--
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
IAC does not encourage half baked information on its resources.:
In the Delhi rape case, the minor accused (being a villager) had no
birth certificate and so his school leaving certificate was taken as
proof of his age (not D.O.B).
In Gen VKS's case the General (s/o an Army Col) was born in an Army
Hospital and has a birth certificate from there.
A genuine birth certificate is CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of a D.O.B.
A school leaving certificate is SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of AGE.
In any case we have much better things to do (or discuss) on this list.
Such topics / non-issues are better discussed on the indiaresists forum.
From Monday we shall start a new scheme to regulate the amount
of unnecessary discussion/emails. Basically habitual posters to this
list will not have their emails considered until it is already uploaded
to the forums. Occasional posters have nothing to worry about and
can carry on as usual.
Sarbajit
On 3/1/13, Bankim Sutaria <bdsutaria@hotmail.com> wrote:
> THERE IS JOKE GOING ON SO PLEASE TAKE THAT WAY: IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE
> OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN
> CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY
> CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:25:27 +0530
> From: colmsmann@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of
> Birth of Shri V K Singh?
>
> He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we
> trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time
> as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
>
>
In the Delhi rape case, the minor accused (being a villager) had no
birth certificate and so his school leaving certificate was taken as
proof of his age (not D.O.B).
In Gen VKS's case the General (s/o an Army Col) was born in an Army
Hospital and has a birth certificate from there.
A genuine birth certificate is CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of a D.O.B.
A school leaving certificate is SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of AGE.
In any case we have much better things to do (or discuss) on this list.
Such topics / non-issues are better discussed on the indiaresists forum.
From Monday we shall start a new scheme to regulate the amount
of unnecessary discussion/emails. Basically habitual posters to this
list will not have their emails considered until it is already uploaded
to the forums. Occasional posters have nothing to worry about and
can carry on as usual.
Sarbajit
On 3/1/13, Bankim Sutaria <bdsutaria@hotmail.com> wrote:
> THERE IS JOKE GOING ON SO PLEASE TAKE THAT WAY: IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE
> OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN
> CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY
> CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:25:27 +0530
> From: colmsmann@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of
> Birth of Shri V K Singh?
>
> He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we
> trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time
> as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
>
>
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