| Dear Dr.Kumar, While I agree with your views that Hinduism is a way of life kindly do not make such remarks like why not Hindus set up a new nation... Your dislike towards Nehru Gandhi family etc is fine...ultimately it is the people who decide who should rule the nation after all we get the rulers we deserve.....let me also ask you whether we are having such a bad time like what we have in the neighborhood that you have to have such a hatred towards the ruling party... ... lets not forget that Pandit Nehru was a visionary who laid the foundation for so many institutions and concepts that has helped India to make a mark on the world stage(IITs are the best examples).. ...i feel that you are simply taking whatever good things that exist in our country for granted...just compare ourselves with Pakistan the chaos, the stagnation, the anarchy...if our rulers and the political class were to think like the ones there our situation wouldn't be any different...you may have some difference of opinion with the various ideologies but saying that statement like this is not even understanding the very essence of sanatana dharma which talks of let the whole world be in peace... ....hundreds of years before when we had kings ruling various parts of our country i don't think people would have killed each other in the name of religion(except for the armies from outside india who came here and plundered us)...amazingly our rulers and the common people always respected other faiths and allowed their followers to practice them freely even providing them with land and financial assistance to set up their places of worship...thats the spirit of indian philosophy.... ...foreigners often are amazed on the kind of unity we have despite the diversity... this unity and peaceful coexistence is not just because of the what our forefathers did through constitution etc but also because of the fact that Indian Vedas and Purana teach us that there are so many paths to reach that One supreme power...it is this makes us stand out from the rest of the world... do you want to continue being an example for the world or do you want to make such negative comments and disturb the kind of positive energy and peace that we have today and then lead our great nation to anarchy...the choice is yours ...but definitely i feel that you being a proud Indian would opt for the best Thanks Thanks and regards, Premkumar --- On Fri, 2/8/13, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Saturday, February 9, 2013
RE: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
Re: [IAC#RG] Victimization of an IIT Teacher for reforming IIT JEE : Misuse of Power & Authority
This is shocking indeed....especially since the IITs continue to be revered as the nation's premier institutes of technology
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I am not surprised. We Indians are extremists emotionally. Do you think all these people from these Institutions have suddenly dropped from heaven and are creatures apart. They are all part of our society- does this not reinforce what Nandy said. The upper crust does it with refinement and dexterity????? Col Arun Joshi(Veteran)The INFANTEERCONSERVE WATERUSE BIODEGRADABLE PACKING MATERIAL
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Rajeev Kumar <rajeevkumar.cse@gmail.com> wrote:
Victimization of an IIT Teacher for reforming IIT JEEIIT teacher Rajeev Kumar, (www.rajeev.cu.cc/), a computer science professor at IIT Kharagpur, is continued to be on suspension in defiance of laws of the land. A teacher is made academically dysfunctional for blowing the whistle against IIT's top administrators (then Director, Deans etc.), who are indicted by CBI in academic/financial irregularities.He discovered inaccuracies in the merit lists of Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) for admissions in IITs by research & analysis of the information obtained under RTI Act. For example, a student with 279 marks was not qualified while students with 154 were:--
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Re: [IAC#RG] Chandra Prakash Trivedi
Dear Mr Amjad Afridi,
On Saturday, February 9, 2013, Chandra Prakash Trivedi wrote:
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DrCPTrivedi has accurately found the remedy for the malady. If,Hinduism is a way of life as oft repeated,and other faiths ,including worship of nature and its elements are also a way of life in their own right, there I feel lies the cause for discord. As a member of The Armed Forces(Corps of Engineers of IA) ,I have been singularly lucky to have the faith of my troops , Marathas/Sikhs/Moslems ie; Hindu/Sikh/Islam.
We had ardent Christians amongst us officers ,of whom most followed the MMG ie; Mandir/Masjid/Gurudwara happily and others discreetly showed reservation towards Sikhism and Islam. Probably because there was a sub conscious clash of accepting Ek Onkar or Allah.
I as a Hindu somehow never felt uncomfortable either in a Mosque or Gurudwara,probably because ,Hindus have several Gods and Two more had no impact on psyche. Here a mention be made that The Communists being Atheists and so have no use for 'Faith' in religious sense ,follow 'Religiously' their brand of ' Ideology'.
So much for way of life and religiosity and we see the Owaissis and Togadias labouring to raise the temperatures before elections by castigating each others 'Faiths'.
Aam Aadmi's 'Collective Psyche' and 'Mob Mentality' ,in my opinion is quite feeble ,may be because of being an aggregate of several individual psyches and hence naturally tends to be at the lowest ' Calibre' .Such a mentality gets swayed giving room for 'Divide and Rule'.
That's where an honest 'State' ought to come in and rein in the rabble rousers by refrigerating them somehow.
As aptly indicated by you & Dr Trvedi, poverty has no caste and creed as is the affluency .
But the affected poor are preoccupied with earning their 'Rozi Roti' and it is the Politicos who want 'Religion'. Hunger knows no religion.
One solution is to do away with all reservations and support to be extended uniformly for all to be educated ,empowered to compete, regulate merit based higher education for research and pedagogy and ensure every body has a right to lively hood. If one is not inclined to studies in early phase let him be empowered with suitable vocational trg. & the vocational trg should have scope for the late bloomers to evolve by doing away with the age related stipulations.Let the stratification of people occur purely on individual merit ,field of trg and physical ability. (We have a ready model in Armed Forces). Then a meritorious person firstly impacts his family, then his community, then his society and so The Nation.
Regards & Best Wishes
LtCol retd TTKishore,Engineers.
On Saturday, February 9, 2013, Chandra Prakash Trivedi wrote:
Dear Amjadji,
Thanks and feel honor, the politics of divide and rule borrowed from the British Lord has ruined the country. The roots of corruption are in our constitution, and the people are innocent, as a citizen of democratic India, we are responsible for it. We have chosen the corrupt out of only sentiments without logic.
With regards
Dr.C.P.TrivediOn 9 February 2013 01:31, Amjad Afridi <afridiamjad@hotmail.com> wrote:
C. P. Trivedi seems to have educated himself by reading the right kind of History and has a very evolved mind with Nationalist thoughts.Instead of using jingoism and cliches, Trivedi kind of positive thoughts contribute to Nation Building.While Politics is essential in the life of any nation, the aim of joining Politics and Public Life should not merely be 'greatest good of the greatest number....but the greatest good of all.'Why should any of us be left behind ?Why should any of us be deprived of benefits we deserve by virtue of being Citizens of this Nation ?The divisive politics of Mandal and Kamandal has already ruined the country.A Chor Politician is the National Enemy No. 1....whether it is A. R. Antulay, Mayawati,Chautala, Coffin Chor Fernandes, Sharad Pawar, Suresh Kalmadi, Daku ka Sardar A. Raja or Choron ki Amma Jayalalitha.I want to record my appreciation for Trivedi Ji's mail which is full of history and wisdom.
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:45:43 +0530
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Are you serious, and sure about Hindustan as name of India, prior to invaders attack on India. The people around the Sindhu have been named as Hindu by the invaders with their Farsi language S as H, the invaders have called it as Hindustan, and to differentiate between the Indians, they have non converted Indian as Hindu Kafir, no body was having dare to oppose rulers or suggest any thing, it became the custom to differentiate between Muslim and non Muslim of India as Hindu.
The British rulers have imposed Christianity over India, they have divided Indians on the basis of religion as Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Parsi, they were successful to rule over India with divide and rule policy. |India's spiritual freedom is unique, and above superstitious faith in one God, hence British conspiracy to divide Indians and India fully successful, After independence political parties have adopted the same as Vote bank policy to divide and rule, where Hindu or Muslim is name of Vote bank to rule over India.The unawareness, and ignorance is the cause of all round corruption for vote bank. The innocent public is calm and quiet as it is, as before the independence.
The name of Dharma or religion is for peace, our Dharma is of cooperative coexistence and peace, which has no name with spiritual freedom.
It is all due to the so called religious bifurcation of India and Indians that we are suffering from religious conversion, fear without national pride and integrity. The vote bank policy give it fuel.
The reality is that Hindu is not a religion and Quran do not support different state for converted, but the shrewd politics of British rulers, and political leader's lust to rule over India and Pakistan has divided the Man and Man.
With regards think for India with pride and honor for India, India has spiritual freedom from time immemorial, to act with ethics in life, and sacrifice for mother land is identity of Indian, India was divided in to small states and kings were not united, hence invaders have got the opportunity to rule over India, now public is ruler in democracy, only public awareness and national pride can save India.
With regards think for IndiaOn 7 February 2013 10:26, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, At times I wonder as to why Hindus not create and setup
altogather a new Nation called HINDUSTAN somewhere in this vast planet
Earth? With warm regards,
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Re: [IAC#RG] Chandra Prakash Trivedi
>>The reality is that Hindu is not a religion and Quran do not support different state for converted, but the shrewd politics of British rulers, and political leader's lust to rule over India and Pakistan has divided the Man and Man.
With regards think for India with pride and honor for India, India has spiritual freedom from time immemorial, to act with ethics in life, and sacrifice for mother land is identity of Indian, India was divided in to small states and kings were not united, hence invaders have got the opportunity to rule over India, now public is ruler in democracy, only public awareness and national pride can save India.>>
Dr.Trivedi!!
With regards think for India with pride and honor for India, India has spiritual freedom from time immemorial, to act with ethics in life, and sacrifice for mother land is identity of Indian, India was divided in to small states and kings were not united, hence invaders have got the opportunity to rule over India, now public is ruler in democracy, only public awareness and national pride can save India.>>
Dr.Trivedi!!
Quran does support and differentiate between the converted and infidels, the latters as Dhimmi-s or second class citizens, forced to pay Jizya and other taxes. It is not British but Quran that is important for Muslims.
Quran is full of such distinctions and violence against infidels who should be killed if they refuse to follow Islam.
these are authorised translations of Islam/ Quran.
Muslims should have migrated to Pakistan in toto, having opted for a separate Country by 90% votes, as desired by Dr.Ambedkar to Attlee, prior to transfer of power and Pakistan got much more than its share of land and funds to enjoy a better status than India, struggling with famnine and scarcity after WWII.
Muslims will never reconcile with India ruled by Hindu majority and would strike and support anyone trying to convert India to an Islamic State. All these talk of Secularism and peace are all until demography changes to 30%, when violence and killings would start- see what has happened to Coptic Christians in Egypt or Pandits ethnic cleansed from J&K.
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Chandra Prakash Trivedi
Dear Amjadji,
Thanks and feel honor, the politics of divide and rule borrowed from the British Lord has ruined the country. The roots of corruption are in our constitution, and the people are innocent, as a citizen of democratic India, we are responsible for it. We have chosen the corrupt out of only sentiments without logic.
With regards
Dr.C.P.Trivedi
Thanks and feel honor, the politics of divide and rule borrowed from the British Lord has ruined the country. The roots of corruption are in our constitution, and the people are innocent, as a citizen of democratic India, we are responsible for it. We have chosen the corrupt out of only sentiments without logic.
With regards
Dr.C.P.Trivedi
On 9 February 2013 01:31, Amjad Afridi <afridiamjad@hotmail.com> wrote:
C. P. Trivedi seems to have educated himself by reading the right kind of History and has a very evolved mind with Nationalist thoughts.Instead of using jingoism and cliches, Trivedi kind of positive thoughts contribute to Nation Building.While Politics is essential in the life of any nation, the aim of joining Politics and Public Life should not merely be 'greatest good of the greatest number....but the greatest good of all.'Why should any of us be left behind ?Why should any of us be deprived of benefits we deserve by virtue of being Citizens of this Nation ?The divisive politics of Mandal and Kamandal has already ruined the country.A Chor Politician is the National Enemy No. 1....whether it is A. R. Antulay, Mayawati,Chautala, Coffin Chor Fernandes, Sharad Pawar, Suresh Kalmadi, Daku ka Sardar A. Raja or Choron ki Amma Jayalalitha.I want to record my appreciation for Trivedi Ji's mail which is full of history and wisdom.Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:45:43 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why Hindus not setup new Nation?
Are you serious, and sure about Hindustan as name of India, prior to invaders attack on India. The people around the Sindhu have been named as Hindu by the invaders with their Farsi language S as H, the invaders have called it as Hindustan, and to differentiate between the Indians, they have non converted Indian as Hindu Kafir, no body was having dare to oppose rulers or suggest any thing, it became the custom to differentiate between Muslim and non Muslim of India as Hindu.
The British rulers have imposed Christianity over India, they have divided Indians on the basis of religion as Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Parsi, they were successful to rule over India with divide and rule policy. |India's spiritual freedom is unique, and above superstitious faith in one God, hence British conspiracy to divide Indians and India fully successful, After independence political parties have adopted the same as Vote bank policy to divide and rule, where Hindu or Muslim is name of Vote bank to rule over India.The unawareness, and ignorance is the cause of all round corruption for vote bank. The innocent public is calm and quiet as it is, as before the independence.
The name of Dharma or religion is for peace, our Dharma is of cooperative coexistence and peace, which has no name with spiritual freedom.
It is all due to the so called religious bifurcation of India and Indians that we are suffering from religious conversion, fear without national pride and integrity. The vote bank policy give it fuel.
The reality is that Hindu is not a religion and Quran do not support different state for converted, but the shrewd politics of British rulers, and political leader's lust to rule over India and Pakistan has divided the Man and Man.
With regards think for India with pride and honor for India, India has spiritual freedom from time immemorial, to act with ethics in life, and sacrifice for mother land is identity of Indian, India was divided in to small states and kings were not united, hence invaders have got the opportunity to rule over India, now public is ruler in democracy, only public awareness and national pride can save India.
With regards think for IndiaOn 7 February 2013 10:26, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, At times I wonder as to why Hindus not create and setup
altogather a new Nation called HINDUSTAN somewhere in this vast planet
Earth? With warm regards,
--
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M - 94276 08632
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Re: [IAC#RG] Victimization of an IIT Teacher for reforming IIT JEE : Misuse of Power & Authority
I am not surprised. We Indians are extremists emotionally. Do you think all these people from these Institutions have suddenly dropped from heaven and are creatures apart. They are all part of our society- does this not reinforce what Nandy said. The upper crust does it with refinement and dexterity?????
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Rajeev Kumar <rajeevkumar.cse@gmail.com> wrote:
Victimization of an IIT Teacher for reforming IIT JEE
IIT teacher Rajeev Kumar, (www.rajeev.cu.cc/), a computer science professor at IIT Kharagpur, is continued to be on suspension in defiance of laws of the land. A teacher is made academically dysfunctional for blowing the whistle against IIT's top administrators (then Director, Deans etc.), who are indicted by CBI in academic/financial irregularities.
He discovered inaccuracies in the merit lists of Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) for admissions in IITs by research & analysis of the information obtained under RTI Act. For example, a student with 279 marks was not qualified while students with 154 were:--
Sl. No.
Year
Maths.
Physics
Chemistry
Aggregate
Result
1.
2006
36
116
127
279
Not Qualified
2.
2006
101
96
54
251
Not Qualified
3.
2006
45
56
55
156
Qualified
4.
2006
37
48
69
154
Qualified
Many other irregularities, namely, cutoff discrepancies, unattended question paper errors, hundreds of seats lying vacant, filling vacant seats through back-doors, administrators wards' routine admissions, etc., were surfaced.
His Public Services:---
1. His 6-year long crusade, as a single-person-army, led to many reforms, first time in 6-decade old IITs. Today's IIT-JEE is much reformed due to transparency and well defined processes,
§ selection criteria, e.g., cutoffs procedure and marks are pre-fixed and known a priori,
§ carbon copy of the Optical Response Sheet (ORS) is provided to prevent tampering,
§ answer keys are announced for assessing their correctness before the result,
§ scored marks and evaluated scanned scripts are made available online before the result,
§ multiple rounds of admissions are done with exit policy to re-allocate surrendered seats for avoiding wastage of vacant seats.
Since IIT-JEE is treated as the role model, many other such examinations in the country conducted by UGC, CBSE, almost all State Boards, have been unveiling the secrecy.
2. He pioneered the Single Engineering Entrance Examination, with transparency in Jan. 10 for fairness, uniformity and de-stressing the aspirants. He challenged MHRD's proposal of using 12th standard marks, in his PIL filed in Apr 10. His was the 'lone' dissent against Achraya Comm. proposal in IIT Kgp Senate, on 02/07/10, which later spread all over. The single examination scheme, which has inherent flaws of increased arbitrariness, manipulation, stress, and coaching, due to -- (i) use of 12th stnd. percentile Board score which vary widely, and (ii) weighted mix of non-uniform/non-standardized components for admissions in NITs, is under challenge in his PIL.
3. He is the sole author of undergraduate engineering accreditation guidelines (May 2011 Edn.), by which India is heading to acquire full signatory status in Washington Accord. The guidelines are in public use by National Board of Accreditation (NBA), an autonomous body of MHRD.
His crusade is for GenNext to truly realize them fruits of transparent and well defined processes with built-in checks-n-balances during their study. This will work as a catalyst for moral uplift-ment and motivate GenNext to work with transparency. Details on: eklavyajee06.blogspot.in/ □
A few Excerpts from Supreme / High Court's Order / Judgment:--
4. Supreme Court Judgment, dated 11/10/11 [(2012) 1 SCC 157] "... the action taken by the appellants in challenging the procedure for JEE 2006, their attempts to bring in transparency in the procedure by various RTI applications, and the debate generated by the several views of experts during the course of the writ proceedings, have helped in making the merit ranking process more transparent and accurate... IITs and the candidates who now participate in the examinations must, to a certain extent, thank appellants for their effort in bringing such transparency and accuracy in the ranking procedure. ... have to be satisfied in being one of the many unsung heroes who helped in improving the system."
5. Supreme Court Order, dated 16/08/11 [C.A. 7100/2011] "he was interested in ensuring JEE is conducted in a transparent and fair manner so that meritorious students may not suffer."
6. Calcutta High Court Judgment, dated 18/07/12 [WP 3582/2011] "… In order to unearth the truth and also to ensure transparency in the matter of assessment of the relative merits of the aspirants for admission in the institute ... the institute to give inspection of the relevant file(s) containing all documents, records, correspondence, communication etc. related to JEE 2006."
His Victimization for undertaking Reforms:--
7. Kumar is made academically dysfunctional. Kumar is debarred from (i) teaching and research work, and (ii) entering his departmental office complex and laboratories. The indefinite suspension is doing irreparable losses and ruining his professional career. Recently, Delhi High Court penalized IIT Kharagpur for delaying the matter.
8. The void ab initio suspension order, dated 13/05/11, is continuing in 21st month. Suspension order, which was not reviewed for extension within 90-days, is not valid. As a perjury, IIT Board ordered "... his joining back is likely to adversely affect the academic atmosphere of the Institute." IIT defied CVC/MHRD directive for suspesnion review as per CCS (CCA) Rules.
9. IIT set up a Kangaroo Court for the inquiry which could not yet provide him even the relevant documents and witnesses' statements. No established due-process is followed. The Inquiry Officer is working closely, for gains, with IIT admin., who were exposed in irregularties. IIT defied CVC/MHRD directive for placing allegation of bias before the Visitor as per rules.
10. Charges against Kumar are those on which he blew the whistle, viz., silent copying in IIT examinations and scam related to purchase of laptops. He has been charged of threatening an IIT Dean who submitted a false affidavit that M.Tech. admissions are not based on GATE performance. Kumar is charged for maligning the institution though IIT is maligned due to IIT administrators turning a Nelson Eye to all irregularities including their indictment by CBI.
11. Not a single out of 30 RTI applications received complete info within 30 days. Not a single, out of a hundred of his RTI applications/appeals/complaints in the last 6 years, was dealt as per the RTI Act. Recently, Calcutta High Court directed IIT for inspection of the JEE 2006 files.
12. Call details of his personal cell phone are-being acquired/shared by IIT's top administrators to have complete e-surveillance of his activities; this is reminiscing of the Watergate Scandal.
13. His Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs) are being destroyed / grabbed.
14. IIT launched a smear campaign against him on the charges on which Kumar blew the whistle. IIT Board adopted the policy of shoot the messenger and protect the corrupt. Kumar's conflicts of interest with the IIT Board & HCL Chairman, Mr. Shiv Nadar, are on records.
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