Thursday, January 10, 2013

[IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

Dear IAC members

As we expected, the Govt has been forced to up the ante of this dubious sham of a Justice Verma Committee.

Yesterday, the Rajya Sabha published a notice (dated 8.Jan..2013) calling for suggestions on the "rape" legislation introduced on 4.Dec.2012. (text below)

http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Home%20Affairs/press%20release.doc

Our IAC "Save India" sub-Committee which drafted the response to Justice Verma is back in action. Anyone else who wishes to join us may email me or reply to this email

Sarbajit

PRESS RELEASE

STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS INVITES SUGGESTIONS ON THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

 

The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2012  as  introduced in   the  Lok  Sabha   on  4 December 2012  and  pending  therein,  has  been  referred  to  Department-related   Parliamentary  Standing Committee on Home Affairs, headed by Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, M.P. Rajya Sabha for examination and report. The Bill seeks to amend the Indian Penal Code, 1860, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to review laws related to rape/sexual offences. 

2.         The Committee has decided to invite suggestions in the form of written memoranda from the public/associations/women organizations/civil societies, etc, on the provisions of the Bill.

3.         Those desirous of submitting written memoranda to the Committee, may send the same   to Shri D. K. Mishra, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No. 142, First Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 {Tele: 23035410 (O) and 23012007 (fax)} latest by 28th January, 2013.

4.         The memorandum which might be submitted to the Committee, would form part of its records and treated as confidential and, therefore, should not be printed, circulated or publicized by anyone, as such an act would constitute a breach of privilege of the Committee.

5.         Individuals/stakeholders may obtain, on written request, a copy of the Bill, from Shri Bhupendra Bhaskar, Assistant Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Cabin 'A', Basement, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 (Telephone No. 011-23034034). The electronic text of the Bill can also be down loaded from the Rajya Sabha Website www.rajyasabha.nic.in. ® Bills with Committees.

Website:- http://rajyasabha.nic.in         

E-mail:  rsc-ha@sansad.nic.in          


Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Sarbajit
 
Finally I feel a glimmer of hope that something positive can happen.  I will re-sharpen my pencils.  Thank you for your email.

Virender

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Bojji

I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.

Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many  members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.

What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.

The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.

Sarbajit


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?




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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Mr Sarabjit ,

My comment about electronic trash is about our emails to J Verma!!!

It was not about this groups' capability!

That comment was against your mail to J Verma and some one saying we do not get any ack. From there.

So now hope misunderstanding removed.

In anger you said my views are that of a frustrated govt retiree.

I disagree. I did what all I wanted to do within the system but my work is internationally recognised. I am a fulfilled man., I am grateful to my country for the great opportunities provides to me.

I loved my work and I and my team thoroughly enjoyed our hard work. Seven years after retirement BBC just covered our work in UK recognising ,my contribution, seeking me out from US to come to Goa and record live on site!!

We are rich in intellectual capital.  We find ten solutions for every problem and have enough around, to find hundred problems for each solution.

I am not frustrated . But would like future generations to be better than me.

I did walk my talk. I did practice what I am recommending as the final solution .

Cab Minsters never came near my organisation over 7 years because my files are open on web.

I am trying to help. Simple effective logical method to prevent. Attack and emotional violence are not the means.

I can only do my best. I do not get emotionally taken in by the others accepting or rejecting but, willing to debate issues thoroughly.

I believe RTI is none of the frauds on our nation. I know how ministries sanitise the information.

Well all the best to you. My feeling is your email to J Verma is going in to
Electronic trash

Better send written snail mail too!

Hare Krishna!

Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007

On Jan 10, 2013 9:45 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Bojji

I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.

Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many  members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.

What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.

The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?




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Re: [rti4empowerment] suggestion/objection on the proposed amendment in rules of RTI Act,2005

Ashish,
 
Please call me WEDS
 
To ensure RTI Act 2005 which is only a procedure to exercise right enshrined in The constitution for every individual citizen. If all of us unitedly & singularly ensured  that all public authorities disclose what is mndatorily disclosed under section 4 of it  corruption would have been negligible.
All of us should have supportively addressed comncomittent RTI Applications alongwith someone who was attempting to expose corruption.which would have avoided all RTI Activists killings.
 
Also read articles attached.
POINT TO PONDER, by philanthropic zeal
 
 
 
Please read the following message that I have painted on my vehicle & hung as banner in my compound at the gate facing National Highway Nd. 66
 
WAKE UP !!!! ????
 
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BUT,
 
NOT IN MOST LUXURIOUSLY DESIGNED & FURNISHED HOUSES OR APPARTMENTS, BUILT BY CONCRETE & STEEL.  SO, DO NOT SELL, AGRICULTURAL, HORTICULTURAL & COMPOUNDS WITH PLANTS & TREES THEREBY, REFUSING TO AID DESTRUCTION!  REMEMBER, IT IS IRREVERSIBLE, WIDESPREAD DESTRUCTION & DEVASTATION THAT MASQUERADES AS DEVELOPMENT TODAY !!!!????

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REMEMBER, ONES HEALTH IS ONES UNDIVESTABLE WEALTH & NOT COFFERS FULL OF DIAMONDS!!!!????  MONEY IS A GOOD SLAVE BUT, A BAD MASTER!
A FULLY GROWN TREE OF ANY SPECIE OR GENRE, IN A DAY PRODUCES OXYGEN SUFFICIENT FOR SURVIVAL OF 200 PERSONS FOR ONE WEEK!!!
 
THE RATE AT WHICH HORTICULTURE PLOTS & AGRICULTURE FIELDS ARE BEING DESTROYED, THE DAY IS VERY CLOSE WHEN ALL OF US WILL HAVE GOLD & PLATINUM BISCUITS STASHED IN OUR POCKETS BUT FOODSTUFFS, GRAINS, CEREALS VEGETABLE & FRUITS SCARCE!
 
For more details, read my compilation "WISDOM BY SCIENTIFIC FACTS" which will be mailed to you if you inform me your e-mail id.

From: ashish singh <jurno.ashish@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 19:47
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] suggestion/objection on the proposed amendment in rules of RTI Act,2005

Sir exactly what u want to say?.....pls clerify


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:30 PM, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ashish Singh,
We ourselves have tolled the death  Knell to RTI
WEDS

From: ashish singh <jurno.ashish@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 10:54
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] suggestion/objection on the proposed amendment in rules of RTI Act,2005

 
hello guys where r u in these days...no RTI...nothing anything....specially after killing of 2 army solders by pakistani army......
 


 
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:55 PM, P ESAKKIMUTHU <p.esakkimuthu@yahoo.co.in> wrote:



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: PONNIAH ESAKKIMUTHU <pesakkimuthucitu@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Subject: SUGGESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS ON PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN RULES OF RTI ACT 2005
To: usrti-dopt@nic.in


Dt.20.12.10
 
From
P.Esakkimuthu,
RTI Activist,
17C-Masilamanipuram IInd Street,
Thoothukkudi-628008
Tamilnadu
 
To
 
Sri R.K. Girdhar
Under Secretary (RT1)
Government of India
Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances & Pensions
Department of Personnel Training
North Block, New Delhi-110001
By Email to usrti-dopt@nic.in
Dear Sir
Sub: Amendments in Right to Information (Regulation of Fee and Cost) Rules, 2005 and the Central Information Commission (Appeal Procedure) Rules, 2005-suggestions and objections filed-reg
I am submitting the following suggestions and objections on the subject matter which may kindly be taken note of while finalizing  the proposed amendments on the subject matter
4. Request for Information
The words" one subject matter and shall be limited to two hundred and fifty words, excluding the address " is highly unwarranted and it will defeat the very purpose of the RTI Act.The Public and common man are not trained to count the words. It will be very easy to the CPIOs to reject the application if the words are more than 250 and the requested subject is more than one. The purpose of Sec 6(3) will be meaningless. This amendment  would be anti-transparency, anti-accountability, anti-right to information,  and hence to be dropped in all its seriousness.
5. Fees for providing information:  The following amendments are unwarranted and it will defeat the very purpose of RTI Act. The CPIO will fix the cost/amount  unilaterally and it will be normally supported by  Appellate Authority and it will pave way for accumulations of Second Appeal before the CIC which is already loaded with heavy workload.
(a) rupees two for each page in A-3 size or smaller size paper;
(c ) actual cost or price for samples or models;
(d) for inspection of records, no fee for the first hour; and fee of rupees five for each subsequent hour (or fraction thereof);
(g) the actual amount spent by public authority on hiring a machine or any other equipment, if any, to supply information; 
(h) Postal charges, in excess of rupees ten, if any, involved in supply of information
Under Rule (a) The fee for copies of document is now fixed at Rs.2/- per page.This fee is high when compared to the actual expenses incurred in this connection. Now  zeroxing a page cost  paise 50/- in many places and Re.1/- in some places. In some places it is less than 50 paise. Hence the Rules may be amended suitably to fix the additional fee for documents at Rs.1/- per page.
 
Under sub (d)-For inspection of records fee can be fixed for every completed hours and fraction thereof may be ignored.
Under (g)- actual amount spent for hiring machine or any equipment may be deleted as every public authority is provided with infrastructure meant for offices.The CPIO may resort to hiring machine wantonly under the pretext of office machine under repair  thereby demand charges heavily with a view to deny the documents asked for.
Under (h), the entire postage must be born by the PA and it should not be transferred to the shoulder of the information seeker. The CPIO and FAA started charging fees for postage, the purpose of RTI Act would be defeated. It will rather discourage the information seekers  on the ground of bearing postages. After all no PA is going to spend from his own pocket. It is the expenditure of the Govt/PA's Account. This amendment  would be anti-transparency, anti-accountability, anti-right to information,  and hence to be dropped in all its seriousness.
6. Payment of fee: Under this rule  the following words may be substituted in the place of "Provided that a public authority may  accept fee by any other mode of Payment "
"Provided that a public authority shall accept fee by any other mode of Payment chosen by the applicant including Money Orders  and it shall be applicable to additional fee meant for documents"
This substitution will make easy the common citizen to pay the fee as he wishes to make the RTI Act easily accessible to him
7. Appeal to the first Appellate Authority: In this rule provision to make first appeal is formulated.Rule should not circumvent the main provisio of the Act. In this rule, first appeal is provided for non-disposal of application which is in contravention of Sec 18 which provides for a complaint to the CIC for this type of non-disposal by the CPIO and to penalize the CPIO for disregarding the application seeking information. Hence the word " or non-disposal of his application by the Central Public Information Officer within the prescribed time, " may be deleted as it would go against the spirit of RTI Act.
Similarly no format for first appeal is warranted. It is sufficient that first appeal is made against the order of CPIO while making first appeal. Hence the word" in the format as given in the Appendix" shall be deleted as it would render difficult to common man to make appeal and the CPIO to reject the first appeal if the format is slightly different or altered.
8. Documents to accompany first appeal to the first Appellate Authority:
This is also NOT required as the FAA is an authority superior to the PIO and when the FAA is housed in the same office/building. If the FAA is located in different area , such amendment may be insisted. Hence the following amendment in the existing amendment may be made
"Every appeal made to the first Appellate Authority shall be accompanied by the following documents, if the FAA is located/housed in different area/building"
The following  may be substituted in the place of " duly authenticated and verified"
"duly self attested  by the appellant"
10. Documents to accompany Appeal to Commission: In this rule The following  may be substituted in the place of " duly authenticated and verified"
"duly self attested  by the appellant"
11. Admission of appeals: (1) In this rule the words "On receipt of an appeal, if the Commission is satisfied that it is a fit case for consideration, it may admit such appeal" may be deleted and the following words may be substituted
"All complaints/appeals should be admitted and disposed off on merit. Within a period of sixty days from the date of receipt"
There must be time limit for disposal of the appeal by the CIC like the time limit given to CPIO and FAA or otherwise the CIC is as on date keeping pending of cases without trial for more than one year etc. If this time limit is not provided for the CIC, the RTI Act will loose its importance, meaning, spirit and significance and the applicant will have no faith in the functioning of CIC. 
12. Procedure for deciding appeals & 14. Personal presence of the appellant before the Commission &15. Presentation by the Public Authority
 The appellants are now finding it very very difficult to attend the personal hearing/video conferencing. Hence the compelling the appellant for personal hearing /video conferencing must be dispensed with. Alternatively, the reply/counter  of the CPIO/FAA  may be obtained by the CIC and on the basis of second appeal and the reply/counter, the CIC  shall pass orders on merit, after giving a chance to the appellant to offer any remarks/rejoinder to the reply/counter of CPIO/FAA within a time frame. If no reply /counter is received from the CPIO /FAA, the matter may be decided exparte. In case of penalty of whatever nature, opportunity shall be given to the CPIO/FAA as the case may be .Hence this rule may be amended as above to make the proceedings before CIC as summary proceedings unlike  from the present time consuming and difficult procedures 
A new rule may be added after Rule 18 as follows
Review on the order of CIC: A review of order of CIC shall lie if the order is passed by a single Information Commissioner and the review petition  will be heard by more than single Information Commissioner and the appellant alone is entitled for a review
The above suggestions/objections shall be considered by the rule making authorities in the interest  and well functioning of the RTI Act.
Yours truly,
P.Esakkimuthu







Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Sir,

Of course it is an eye-wash !!

This was fully discussed in the sub-committee while preparing our response (which you are one of the 12 signatories to) to Justice JS Verma Committee.

The question was always - how do the citizens / IAC use this device of the Govt to achieve our own purpose ? We have taken the first step by filing our submissions. Nobody can ignore / dismiss us now.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
We have to forget it. This was an eye wash adopted by the Government to divide attention and burn public  money to oblige these people who had favored them when they were in power.
Even High Court has said that there has been  no need to change the laws as the existing laws can take care of all such rape cases.

Brig J S Ahuja


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
Asked on Twitter. No update from anyone getting any acknowledgment.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
you should make these posts public. Then we can bring pressure :p

Vidyut

*thinks like a social media monkey*

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To:
The Justice J.S Verma Committee

Date: 10 Jan, 2013

Kind Attn:  Hon'ble Chief Justice of India (Retd) J.S. Verma and his co-committee members.

Sirs/Madam

I am constrained to inform you, on behalf of India Against Corruption jan andolan, that we have not received any acknowledgment of receipt of our submissions filed to your Hon'ble Committee's published email ID on 05 Jan 2013.

I am further constrained to inform you that our membership is aggrieved and apprehend that their submissions shall be ignored due to lax functioning of your Hon'ble Committee's office/registry.

I am therefore constrained to formally call upon your Hon'ble Committee to intimate us the Diary No. (or other receipt reference)  for all submissions received by your Hon'ble Committee concerning India Against Corruption, by return email, preferably by tomorrow.

With best wishes

yours faithfully

Er. Sarbajit Roy
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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Dear Mr. Bojji

I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.

Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many  members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.

What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.

The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?



Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Pl continue the good work.
There will be light at the end of this struggle.
Regards.

On Jan 10, 2013 9:02 PM, "Rajaram Bojji" <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
Asked on Twitter. No update from anyone getting any acknowledgment.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
you should make these posts public. Then we can bring pressure :p

Vidyut

*thinks like a social media monkey*

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To:
The Justice J.S Verma Committee

Date: 10 Jan, 2013

Kind Attn:  Hon'ble Chief Justice of India (Retd) J.S. Verma and his co-committee members.

Sirs/Madam

I am constrained to inform you, on behalf of India Against Corruption jan andolan, that we have not received any acknowledgment of receipt of our submissions filed to your Hon'ble Committee's published email ID on 05 Jan 2013.

I am further constrained to inform you that our membership is aggrieved and apprehend that their submissions shall be ignored due to lax functioning of your Hon'ble Committee's office/registry.

I am therefore constrained to formally call upon your Hon'ble Committee to intimate us the Diary No. (or other receipt reference)  for all submissions received by your Hon'ble Committee concerning India Against Corruption, by return email, preferably by tomorrow.

With best wishes

yours faithfully

Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption jan andolan

B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024
Tel : 09311448069


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