> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>
> Dear friends :
>
> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
>
> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
>
> SurajParkash
>
> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are right.
> >
> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint I
> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption, Inequity
> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper due
> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
> > Supreme Court)".
> >
> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see for
> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and maturity
> > to avoid that.
> >
> > --
> > Sujit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
> >
> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies 9of
> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the father
> >> of the nation...
> >>
> >> KUMAR
> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >>
> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same coin.After
> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is better
> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
> >>
> >> *navnith*
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >>
> >> Hi Joya Mashi
> >>
> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
> >> Wouldn't
> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
> >> Anyway,
> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
> >>
> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest in
> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the donors
> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil society"
> >> as
> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical democracy.
> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong -
> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
> >>
> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim about
> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her getting
> >> a
> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such as
> >> at here
> >>
> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
> >>
> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
> >> target
> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
> >>
> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
> >> out
> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA was
> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing debate.
> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled Singur
> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive monies
> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal to
> >> investigate and follow the money)
> >>
> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
> >> bench in 2011.
> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
> >>
> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
> >> the
> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically been
> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894 could
> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been physically
> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
> >> could
> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
> >> actually
> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
> >> after
> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
> >> Court
> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and then
> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
> >> submit
> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
> >> area
> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri Alok
> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually incorrect
> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the bona
> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make any
> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied. Applicant
> >> /
> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis only
> >> to
> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant case
> >> it
> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed the
> >> true picture.
> >>
> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have acted
> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity. Earlier
> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
> >> (1998)
> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan and
> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim orders
> >> of
> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
> >> assured
> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
> >> cause
> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able to
> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
> >>
> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as that
> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd chapters
> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
> >>
> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
> >> give
> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
> >> her
> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are her
> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional petticoats)
> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005 was
> >> drafted by them)
> >>
> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ? Because
> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off" R&D
> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it. And
> >> yet
> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
> >> eventually - till then read these).
> >>
> >> *Links (further reading)*:
> >>
> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
> >>
> >> Sarbajit
> >> *National Convenor
> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
> >> *
> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hullo,
> >> >
> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
> >> > citizens who go public)?
> >> >
> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a TISS
> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer I
> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu' hilltops
> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
> >> >
> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens till
> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you should
> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
> >> >
> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
> >> >
> >> > Joya (Mashi)
> >> >
> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Dear Friends
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
> >> >> Medha
> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
> >> >> people
> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist) to
> >> >> my
> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
> >> >>
> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection of.
> >> >>
> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
> >> >> Magsaysay
> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she was
> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows my
> >> >> views
> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt people.
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I couldn't
> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
> >> >> worth
> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
> >> >>
> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
> >> >>
> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
> >> >>
> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
> >> >>
> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
> >> >> foreign
> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
> >> Aruna
> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to those
> >> >> who
> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was offended.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being communicated
> >> >> in
> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
> >> >>
> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money obsessed
> >> >> and
> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but Anna
> >> >> and
> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons) are
> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of grassroots
> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
> >> >> Since
> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
> >> >> should
> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
> >> >> researchers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
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