Saturday, February 4, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

After it is admitted possibly on 10th , I shall post it on Humjanenge.
Narayan Varma

On 29 January 2012 08:59, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
What prayer has been made in the PIL? 

From: Narayan Varma <narayanvarma2011@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: jpshah@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

Our PIL is fixed for admission on 10th Feb. If one of P.& H. HC is admitted, I request Mr. J.P. shah to post  here or at least mail to me at narayanvarma20112gmail.com. Same will be useful for our PIL.
Narayan Varma

On 27 January 2012 00:55, Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Please refer:

 


-J. P. SHAH 9924106490  
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/





  
From: Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in>Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

You can count on me as promised in my email and I will also provide inputs. I think you are at Chennai and hence some active person from Delhi will have to be contacted.

I have many emails IDs of RTI activists all over India and properly worded mails can be sent to them for their cooperation.
 


-J. P. SHAH 9924106490  
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/





  
From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

The States are not filling in even a fraction of the sanctioned posts There's lack of transparency in selection.Criteria hasn't been formulated.Total ad-hocism has prevailed all these years.
Standard templates and other standardised systems haven't been developed(as done in top corporate world).
Techno-management principles are rarely,if at all,used in managing the show at all levels.
Most importantly,sou-motto disclosure of information,in standardised formats is simply missing, in spite of a lapse of 6 long years. 
The RTI community MUST now go the whole hog as a national campaign to redress the situation.
I'm prepared to take lead.
Lets see who all are there to join and contribute in meaningful manner !
spm
IPS DGP retd
BE MBA PhD
919841282324

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Another alternative is that RTI activists should collect fund and file  PIL in SC for appointment of additional ICs in CIC and SICs, so that cases are disposed off in say 90 days. In Nov 2010 Late Amit Jethwa [ murdered in July 2011] had filed such a PIL in Gujarat HC for pendency of 8000 appeal/complaints and in March 2011 two additional ICs were appointed at GIC, because of intervention of HC. Even 4 months back  a retired bank officer from Baroda aged 78 years and requiring dialysis weekly is contesting himself at Ahmedabad a PIL for appointment of 6 ICs at GIC.. Even if RTI activists contribute Rs.1000/- we can have corpus of Rs.100000/- assuming that at least 100 activists and beneficiaries of RTI all over India will donate Rs.1000 each. I am prepared to donate Rs.5000/- from my pocket and another Rs.5000/- I can get from many beneficiaries who have got substantial amount [few in lakhs] but for RTI. Some one in or near Delhi has to take initiative with cooperation of public spirited advocates.

Govtss do not understand any language other than that of HC or SC. Let us talk to it in that language.
Let us act rather than crying. 


-J. P. SHAH 9924106490  
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/





  
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING
Backlog leading to 14 months' wait per plea CKLOG LEADING TO 14 MONTHS' WAIT PER PLEA
 
NEW DELHI: With an addition of nearly 2,500 complaints every month, the Central Information Commission (CIC), which has an astounding 26,049 pending cases is well on its way to becoming redundant. The reason: the CIC disposed off 22,414 cases last year, which means that there is a pendency of 14 months for every appeal and complaint making the information received by the applicant outdated and often useless.

Commission chief Satyananda Mishra expressed concern saying, "If the pendency continues increasing, the waiting period will also increase. We are very concerned and will have to think of radical ways to tackle the problem. One of the issues that we will discuss is `summary disposal' of cases through just speaking orders to save time."

The CIC has six information commissioners, including its chief, though it has a sanctioned strength of 10. One of the first tasks undertaken by Mishra on taking over was to write to the government asking for more commissioners keeping in view the large number of cases coming to the CIC. However, there has been little progress in ramping up the strength so far.

RTI activists are concerned and have been vocal in their disapproval of the long waiting time. One prominent RTI activist, who did not wish to be named, said, "The hearing for a case where I had sought information took place three months ago and in fact only the formal order had to be issued since I was given the impression that the decision had been taken. However, I have still not heard from the office of the information commissioner.

Prof Rajeev Kumar, formerly with IIT-Kharagpur, said that he had sought information on IIT-Madras in 2010 and only managed to get hearing in September, 2011. "I received the order after three months in December, 2011 and even then the institute gave me only part of the information. It was of no use. Despite the long delay the no penalty was charged. CIC has become infructuous," Kumar said.

Sources said that some cases as old as 2006 were still pending before the Commission with no action being taken.










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Narayan Varma
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210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
RTI PCGT helpline 09322882288           
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--
Narayan Varma
56B Mittal Tower,
210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
RTI PCGT helpline 09322882288           
 my cell   09821096052
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Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Sir,

I believe that this is the case of entering in army at an early date by disguising the facts. Believably among other things a  few question are un-discussed at any front

1. Why Army did not take cognizance/action at the time of submission of certificate.
2. How was seniority decided at the time giving promotions.
3. Why did other officers of his rank did not raise question while discrimination was going on with them
4. How was his seniority decided coming to top rank
5. Why army is awaking now.
6 Is there any precedent for handling a lower rank officer in defense or other services.

Regards
Trivendra

 

From: sn datt <captsndatt@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Dear Mr Iyer

This is a surprising comment from an ex serviceman. There is only one hand written NDA application form with the government. All official documents and certificates show 1951 as DOB. Will the government start accepting any DOB declared by a person against official documents?

When his matriculation certificate was sent to UPSC before his joining NDA, rectification should have been done. As ex servicemen we all know how busy we are kept under training and early years of service. There is no time to worry about personal things in detail.

It is important for the government to uphold the dignity of an honest officer and the country as a whole should support him.

SN Datt
Sqn Ldr Retd

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, sriram iyer <sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Friends,,
 
Why now he is getting checked this date of birth , he likes to stay more in the office is it not - pl do not canvass for this person , he has brought down the Indian Army - he is not fighting for interest of the nation but for the SELF - i request you not to misguide the pepul.
 
There are many unconfirmed cases against many self interested persons.  
 
Regards
Sriram
Ex- Servicemen
Mobile - 98499 87946
 


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 2:20 PM

Quite some time back I had brought out that it is a very deep rooted and sinister campaign to ease out Gen VK Singh who is perhaps the first COAS to have taken very concerted and sustained measures to cleanse the army of  the menace of proliferating corruption particularly against those involved in mega scams and gross misdeamenours. No doubt these people who have the patronage and support of people in high places are moving heaven and earth to remove him from the scene before they all get roped in.

I can say with confidence that Gen kapoor and Lt Gen Avadesh Kumar are the mail culprits and guilty of deep rooted conspiracy in this shoddy cospiracy planned over a long period.This is no less than a coup d'tat happening in Pakistan; the difference being that it is intra service.

It is a great that an IAS officer has been able to see through the consiparacy and chosen to air his impartial views,even though I suspect the IAS officers in the MOD and the Govt  are also equally involved . Army officers are by and large  too meek and gullible to take a stand even if their chief is meted out injustice and humiliation of the worst kind.

We need to take a united stand to support this valiant and distinguished General in this hour of crisis facing the Indian army as a whole.


Col JP Sharma

So there is a need to  
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:



Today's article of mine will bring some clarity on the issue. All I would like to add is that this is not a mere clerical or bureaucratic error, but part of a larger and sinister agenda.
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________
THE STATESMAN
Special Article
O1 February  2012
President and the Army
Must Intervene And Save The Institution
By MG Devasahayam

THE President made a profound statement while addressing the nation on the eve of the 63rd Republic Day: "While bringing about reforms and improving institutions, we have to be cautious that while shaking the tree to remove the bad fruit, we do not bring down the tree itself." But, under her nose an institution called the Indian Army is being rudely shaken and being brought down by the very government she is presiding over. Despite being the Supreme Commander of India's armed forces she has not even lifted a small finger to stop that.
Republic Day is an occasion of joy and celebration because on that day in 1950, "We, the People of India, gave ourselves a Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic anchored on Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation".
Sixty-two years have passed and every year we go through the ritual of celebrations and parades with the armed forces in general and Army in particular in the vanguard. It is the members of these forces who have defended and protected our democracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereft of any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largely because of them that India stands tall as a sovereign Republic.
Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest and the most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in the nation's affairs, irrespective of his place in the order of precedence. The present government at the Centre has lost the faith of a vast majority of the people because of colossal failures almost on all fronts, except mortgaging the nation's assets and resources to MNCs. Now the Chief of the Army Staff himself has lost faith in this government and has knocked the doors of the Supreme Court seeking justice.
Instead of resolving the matter amicably by rendering substantial justice to the General, worthies of the kleptocratic state have the cheek to display indulgence. They claim that even if the apex court order goes against the Army chief,  the government will not summarily sack him. What morbid magnificence after treating General VK Singh in the shabbiest manner possible!
The controversy is supposed to have arisen due to different sets of records maintained on the General's Date of Birth (DoB) in the Adjutant General (AG) and Military Secretary (MS) branches of the Army headquarters. There are facts in the public domain suggesting availability of several records and documents in the AG Branch ~ school register, matriculation certificate, father's record of service in the Rajput Regiment, form No. IAFZ-2041 filled up in IMA ~ establishing the General's DoB as 10 May 1951.

The MS Branch is stated to have an application form for the written entrance exam to the National Defence Academy signed by a 14/15-year-old boy and some assorted papers mentioning Singh's DoB as 10 May 1950. The two branches have not reconciled the documents for over four decades.
The Attorney General and the MoD are sticking to the MS Branch records in determining the General's DoB as 10 May 1950 because it is this branch which is responsible for the promotion and posting of senior army officers. This is the spin that is going around.
 
But a confidential communication dated 01 Jul 2011 (A/4501/01/GEN/MS(1)) from Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, Military Secretary to Defence Secretary, tells a totally different tale. On four occasions:
-No: 2 Selection Board, Sept 1996 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Brigadier;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 25 Oct 2001 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 18/19 Sept 2003 ~ Special Review (Fresh) Case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen; and
-Special Selection Board, 30 Sept 2005 ~ Fresh case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Lt. Gen.
The date of birth of the General Officer (VK Singh) put up by the MS Branch and considered by the Selection Boards was 10 May 1951.
This means that the MS Branch had accepted, adopted and documented 10 May 1951 as the DoB for empanelling Gen. Singh for promotion and posting as Brigadier, Maj.-Gen. and Lt.-Gen. in 1996, 2001, 2003 and 2005 respectively. Where then was the dispute and the occasion for the former Amy Chiefs to talk to VK Singh in 2008 and 2009 and make him 'accept' 10 May 1950 as his DoB? On what grounds was the 'statutory complaint' of the Army Chief rejected, reportedly without the knowledge of the Prime Minister, forcing the General to go to the Supreme Court? The government owes an explanation to the people.

Looking at the state of the Republic one tends to lament and despair in the manner of Marcellus in Hamlet, having just seen the ghost of Hamlet's father, the late king of Denmark: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

Considering the way things are being handled even by an otherwise god-fearing man like AK Antony, there seem to be ghosts looming in New Delhi. One is the MNC lobby that is incensed with General Singh's principled opposition to the deployment of the Army to decimate the tribal population of Dandakaranya forests to hand it over to mining interests. The General had said: "We cannot do this on our own people. Naxalism is not a secessionist movement.''
Former Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat saw another, even mightier ghost, when he said: "Former Chief  Justice of India JS Verma has said Singh had brought in probity and honesty. He is being moved out just when large arms deals are going to be signed. This means that the arms lobby and a few people who are going to be affected are behind this."

To this could be added the 'victims' of the tough stand taken by General Singh on corruption, particularly former Generals involved in the Sukna land scam and Adarsh Housing Society scandal.

This is probably why a specious and non-existent theory of 'line of succession' was dug out and touted about for rejecting the army chief's statutory complaint. The 'line of succession' is a concept which is anti-democratic and related to royalty and monarchy. Why then is the Attorney General repeating this ad nauseam? Obviously in support of the MoD's sinister agenda.

VK Singh belongs to a family that boasts a martial tradition. He hails from Bapora village in Haryana's Bhiwani district, a district that I had the privilege of raising and building up as its first Commissioner when it was established in December 1972. This village, hardly a couple of miles from Bhiwani, had a large number of serving soldiers and ex-servicemen. Being an ex-soldier myself, I had closely interacted with the simple folk of this village.

Men of General Singh's ilk serve and die by the Army's standards of integrity and honesty. When men like him and the Army he commands are impaled, it is the people who bleed. Pray, does not the President, who swears by institutions, have a duty to effectively intervene and save this institution from further damage? The nation awaits an answer.
The writer is a retired IAS officer
 


 
 






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Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

I support General VK Singh's stand to save the Indian Armed Forces, the only section of the Indian Government which does and upholds the moto 'Satyamaev e Jayate'-----Cdr. HK Nag. Retd.
From: john philipose <gigijohn8263@googlemail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com; sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Dear Sriramji, that was a very unkind statement, bereft of facts! This is purely a fight between the corrupt bureaucrats(IAS) and one Army person who has had the courage to stand by his convictions. By the way, he is NOT asking to stay on for one more year! He is merely correcting a wrong that happened inadvertently, when he joined service. He has been trying to do it for the last 30 years!

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, sriram iyer <sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Friends,,
 
Why now he is getting checked this date of birth , he likes to stay more in the office is it not - pl do not canvass for this person , he has brought down the Indian Army - he is not fighting for interest of the nation but for the SELF - i request you not to misguide the pepul.
 
There are many unconfirmed cases against many self interested persons.  
 
Regards
Sriram
Ex- Servicemen
Mobile - 98499 87946
 


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 2:20 PM

Quite some time back I had brought out that it is a very deep rooted and sinister campaign to ease out Gen VK Singh who is perhaps the first COAS to have taken very concerted and sustained measures to cleanse the army of  the menace of proliferating corruption particularly against those involved in mega scams and gross misdeamenours. No doubt these people who have the patronage and support of people in high places are moving heaven and earth to remove him from the scene before they all get roped in.

I can say with confidence that Gen kapoor and Lt Gen Avadesh Kumar are the mail culprits and guilty of deep rooted conspiracy in this shoddy cospiracy planned over a long period.This is no less than a coup d'tat happening in Pakistan; the difference being that it is intra service.

It is a great that an IAS officer has been able to see through the consiparacy and chosen to air his impartial views,even though I suspect the IAS officers in the MOD and the Govt  are also equally involved . Army officers are by and large  too meek and gullible to take a stand even if their chief is meted out injustice and humiliation of the worst kind.

We need to take a united stand to support this valiant and distinguished General in this hour of crisis facing the Indian army as a whole.


Col JP Sharma

So there is a need to  
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:



Today's article of mine will bring some clarity on the issue. All I would like to add is that this is not a mere clerical or bureaucratic error, but part of a larger and sinister agenda.
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________
THE STATESMAN

Special Article

O1 February  2012

President and the Army
Must Intervene And Save The Institution

By MG Devasahayam

THE President made a profound statement while addressing the nation on the eve of the 63rd Republic Day: "While bringing about reforms and improving institutions, we have to be cautious that while shaking the tree to remove the bad fruit, we do not bring down the tree itself." But, under her nose an institution called the Indian Army is being rudely shaken and being brought down by the very government she is presiding over. Despite being the Supreme Commander of India's armed forces she has not even lifted a small finger to stop that.

Republic Day is an occasion of joy and celebration because on that day in 1950, "We, the People of India, gave ourselves a Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic anchored on Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation".

Sixty-two years have passed and every year we go through the ritual of celebrations and parades with the armed forces in general and Army in particular in the vanguard. It is the members of these forces who have defended and protected our democracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereft of any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largely because of them that India stands tall as a sovereign Republic.

Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest and the most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in the nation's affairs, irrespective of his place in the order of precedence. The present government at the Centre has lost the faith of a vast majority of the people because of colossal failures almost on all fronts, except mortgaging the nation's assets and resources to MNCs. Now the Chief of the Army Staff himself has lost faith in this government and has knocked the doors of the Supreme Court seeking justice.

Instead of resolving the matter amicably by rendering substantial justice to the General, worthies of the kleptocratic state have the cheek to display indulgence. They claim that even if the apex court order goes against the Army chief,  the government will not summarily sack him. What morbid magnificence after treating General VK Singh in the shabbiest manner possible!
The controversy is supposed to have arisen due to different sets of records maintained on the General's Date of Birth (DoB) in the Adjutant General (AG) and Military Secretary (MS) branches of the Army headquarters. There are facts in the public domain suggesting availability of several records and documents in the AG Branch ~ school register, matriculation certificate, father's record of service in the Rajput Regiment, form No. IAFZ-2041 filled up in IMA ~ establishing the General's DoB as 10 May 1951.

The MS Branch is stated to have an application form for the written entrance exam to the National Defence Academy signed by a 14/15-year-old boy and some assorted papers mentioning Singh's DoB as 10 May 1950. The two branches have not reconciled the documents for over four decades.
The Attorney General and the MoD are sticking to the MS Branch records in determining the General's DoB as 10 May 1950 because it is this branch which is responsible for the promotion and posting of senior army officers. This is the spin that is going around.

 

But a confidential communication dated 01 Jul 2011 (A/4501/01/GEN/MS(1)) from Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, Military Secretary to Defence Secretary, tells a totally different tale. On four occasions:
-No: 2 Selection Board, Sept 1996 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Brigadier;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 25 Oct 2001 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 18/19 Sept 2003 ~ Special Review (Fresh) Case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen; and
-Special Selection Board, 30 Sept 2005 ~ Fresh case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Lt. Gen.
The date of birth of the General Officer (VK Singh) put up by the MS Branch and considered by the Selection Boards was 10 May 1951.

This means that the MS Branch had accepted, adopted and documented 10 May 1951 as the DoB for empanelling Gen. Singh for promotion and posting as Brigadier, Maj.-Gen. and Lt.-Gen. in 1996, 2001, 2003 and 2005 respectively. Where then was the dispute and the occasion for the former Amy Chiefs to talk to VK Singh in 2008 and 2009 and make him 'accept' 10 May 1950 as his DoB? On what grounds was the 'statutory complaint' of the Army Chief rejected, reportedly without the knowledge of the Prime Minister, forcing the General to go to the Supreme Court? The government owes an explanation to the people.


Looking at the state of the Republic one tends to lament and despair in the manner of Marcellus in Hamlet, having just seen the ghost of Hamlet's father, the late king of Denmark: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."


Considering the way things are being handled even by an otherwise god-fearing man like AK Antony, there seem to be ghosts looming in New Delhi. One is the MNC lobby that is incensed with General Singh's principled opposition to the deployment of the Army to decimate the tribal population of Dandakaranya forests to hand it over to mining interests. The General had said: "We cannot do this on our own people. Naxalism is not a secessionist movement.''
Former Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat saw another, even mightier ghost, when he said: "Former Chief  Justice of India JS Verma has said Singh had brought in probity and honesty. He is being moved out just when large arms deals are going to be signed. This means that the arms lobby and a few people who are going to be affected are behind this."


To this could be added the 'victims' of the tough stand taken by General Singh on corruption, particularly former Generals involved in the Sukna land scam and Adarsh Housing Society scandal.


This is probably why a specious and non-existent theory of 'line of succession' was dug out and touted about for rejecting the army chief's statutory complaint. The 'line of succession' is a concept which is anti-democratic and related to royalty and monarchy. Why then is the Attorney General repeating this ad nauseam? Obviously in support of the MoD's sinister agenda.


VK Singh belongs to a family that boasts a martial tradition. He hails from Bapora village in Haryana's Bhiwani district, a district that I had the privilege of raising and building up as its first Commissioner when it was established in December 1972. This village, hardly a couple of miles from Bhiwani, had a large number of serving soldiers and ex-servicemen. Being an ex-soldier myself, I had closely interacted with the simple folk of this village.


Men of General Singh's ilk serve and die by the Army's standards of integrity and honesty. When men like him and the Army he commands are impaled, it is the people who bleed. Pray, does not the President, who swears by institutions, have a duty to effectively intervene and save this institution from further damage? The nation awaits an answer.

The writer is a retired IAS officer

 


 
 






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Friday, February 3, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Though Mr Sriram is an ex-serviceman, i am sure he is not aware  of the case, when he says that the General is checking his date of birth now.  Please get the facts right. The case has been going on for many years. All through, the General has been maintaining his date of Birth as 10 May 1951.  Only one record in AG's Branch , that is, the application for NDA, which the General wrote when he was a boy of 14 / 15 years !!!!   . We are only looking at the facts, which clearly is in favour of the General. There are other sinister designs which are trying to bring disrepute to the General. When will we Indians understand this ?


Kumaran

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, sriram iyer <sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Friends,,
 
Why now he is getting checked this date of birth , he likes to stay more in the office is it not - pl do not canvass for this person , he has brought down the Indian Army - he is not fighting for interest of the nation but for the SELF - i request you not to misguide the pepul.
 
There are many unconfirmed cases against many self interested persons.  
 
Regards
Sriram
Ex- Servicemen
Mobile - 98499 87946
 


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 2:20 PM

Quite some time back I had brought out that it is a very deep rooted and sinister campaign to ease out Gen VK Singh who is perhaps the first COAS to have taken very concerted and sustained measures to cleanse the army of  the menace of proliferating corruption particularly against those involved in mega scams and gross misdeamenours. No doubt these people who have the patronage and support of people in high places are moving heaven and earth to remove him from the scene before they all get roped in.

I can say with confidence that Gen kapoor and Lt Gen Avadesh Kumar are the mail culprits and guilty of deep rooted conspiracy in this shoddy cospiracy planned over a long period.This is no less than a coup d'tat happening in Pakistan; the difference being that it is intra service.

It is a great that an IAS officer has been able to see through the consiparacy and chosen to air his impartial views,even though I suspect the IAS officers in the MOD and the Govt  are also equally involved . Army officers are by and large  too meek and gullible to take a stand even if their chief is meted out injustice and humiliation of the worst kind.

We need to take a united stand to support this valiant and distinguished General in this hour of crisis facing the Indian army as a whole.


Col JP Sharma

So there is a need to  
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:



Today's article of mine will bring some clarity on the issue. All I would like to add is that this is not a mere clerical or bureaucratic error, but part of a larger and sinister agenda.
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________
THE STATESMAN

Special Article

O1 February  2012

President and the Army
Must Intervene And Save The Institution

By MG Devasahayam

THE President made a profound statement while addressing the nation on the eve of the 63rd Republic Day: "While bringing about reforms and improving institutions, we have to be cautious that while shaking the tree to remove the bad fruit, we do not bring down the tree itself." But, under her nose an institution called the Indian Army is being rudely shaken and being brought down by the very government she is presiding over. Despite being the Supreme Commander of India's armed forces she has not even lifted a small finger to stop that.

Republic Day is an occasion of joy and celebration because on that day in 1950, "We, the People of India, gave ourselves a Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic anchored on Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation".

Sixty-two years have passed and every year we go through the ritual of celebrations and parades with the armed forces in general and Army in particular in the vanguard. It is the members of these forces who have defended and protected our democracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereft of any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largely because of them that India stands tall as a sovereign Republic.

Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest and the most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in the nation's affairs, irrespective of his place in the order of precedence. The present government at the Centre has lost the faith of a vast majority of the people because of colossal failures almost on all fronts, except mortgaging the nation's assets and resources to MNCs. Now the Chief of the Army Staff himself has lost faith in this government and has knocked the doors of the Supreme Court seeking justice.

Instead of resolving the matter amicably by rendering substantial justice to the General, worthies of the kleptocratic state have the cheek to display indulgence. They claim that even if the apex court order goes against the Army chief,  the government will not summarily sack him. What morbid magnificence after treating General VK Singh in the shabbiest manner possible!
The controversy is supposed to have arisen due to different sets of records maintained on the General's Date of Birth (DoB) in the Adjutant General (AG) and Military Secretary (MS) branches of the Army headquarters. There are facts in the public domain suggesting availability of several records and documents in the AG Branch ~ school register, matriculation certificate, father's record of service in the Rajput Regiment, form No. IAFZ-2041 filled up in IMA ~ establishing the General's DoB as 10 May 1951.

The MS Branch is stated to have an application form for the written entrance exam to the National Defence Academy signed by a 14/15-year-old boy and some assorted papers mentioning Singh's DoB as 10 May 1950. The two branches have not reconciled the documents for over four decades.
The Attorney General and the MoD are sticking to the MS Branch records in determining the General's DoB as 10 May 1950 because it is this branch which is responsible for the promotion and posting of senior army officers. This is the spin that is going around.

 

But a confidential communication dated 01 Jul 2011 (A/4501/01/GEN/MS(1)) from Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, Military Secretary to Defence Secretary, tells a totally different tale. On four occasions:
-No: 2 Selection Board, Sept 1996 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Brigadier;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 25 Oct 2001 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 18/19 Sept 2003 ~ Special Review (Fresh) Case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen; and
-Special Selection Board, 30 Sept 2005 ~ Fresh case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Lt. Gen.
The date of birth of the General Officer (VK Singh) put up by the MS Branch and considered by the Selection Boards was 10 May 1951.

This means that the MS Branch had accepted, adopted and documented 10 May 1951 as the DoB for empanelling Gen. Singh for promotion and posting as Brigadier, Maj.-Gen. and Lt.-Gen. in 1996, 2001, 2003 and 2005 respectively. Where then was the dispute and the occasion for the former Amy Chiefs to talk to VK Singh in 2008 and 2009 and make him 'accept' 10 May 1950 as his DoB? On what grounds was the 'statutory complaint' of the Army Chief rejected, reportedly without the knowledge of the Prime Minister, forcing the General to go to the Supreme Court? The government owes an explanation to the people.


Looking at the state of the Republic one tends to lament and despair in the manner of Marcellus in Hamlet, having just seen the ghost of Hamlet's father, the late king of Denmark: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."


Considering the way things are being handled even by an otherwise god-fearing man like AK Antony, there seem to be ghosts looming in New Delhi. One is the MNC lobby that is incensed with General Singh's principled opposition to the deployment of the Army to decimate the tribal population of Dandakaranya forests to hand it over to mining interests. The General had said: "We cannot do this on our own people. Naxalism is not a secessionist movement.''
Former Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat saw another, even mightier ghost, when he said: "Former Chief  Justice of India JS Verma has said Singh had brought in probity and honesty. He is being moved out just when large arms deals are going to be signed. This means that the arms lobby and a few people who are going to be affected are behind this."


To this could be added the 'victims' of the tough stand taken by General Singh on corruption, particularly former Generals involved in the Sukna land scam and Adarsh Housing Society scandal.


This is probably why a specious and non-existent theory of 'line of succession' was dug out and touted about for rejecting the army chief's statutory complaint. The 'line of succession' is a concept which is anti-democratic and related to royalty and monarchy. Why then is the Attorney General repeating this ad nauseam? Obviously in support of the MoD's sinister agenda.


VK Singh belongs to a family that boasts a martial tradition. He hails from Bapora village in Haryana's Bhiwani district, a district that I had the privilege of raising and building up as its first Commissioner when it was established in December 1972. This village, hardly a couple of miles from Bhiwani, had a large number of serving soldiers and ex-servicemen. Being an ex-soldier myself, I had closely interacted with the simple folk of this village.


Men of General Singh's ilk serve and die by the Army's standards of integrity and honesty. When men like him and the Army he commands are impaled, it is the people who bleed. Pray, does not the President, who swears by institutions, have a duty to effectively intervene and save this institution from further damage? The nation awaits an answer.

The writer is a retired IAS officer

 


 
 






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Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Dear Sriramji, that was a very unkind statement, bereft of facts! This is purely a fight between the corrupt bureaucrats(IAS) and one Army person who has had the courage to stand by his convictions. By the way, he is NOT asking to stay on for one more year! He is merely correcting a wrong that happened inadvertently, when he joined service. He has been trying to do it for the last 30 years!

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, sriram iyer <sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Friends,,
 
Why now he is getting checked this date of birth , he likes to stay more in the office is it not - pl do not canvass for this person , he has brought down the Indian Army - he is not fighting for interest of the nation but for the SELF - i request you not to misguide the pepul.
 
There are many unconfirmed cases against many self interested persons.  
 
Regards
Sriram
Ex- Servicemen
Mobile - 98499 87946
 


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 2:20 PM

Quite some time back I had brought out that it is a very deep rooted and sinister campaign to ease out Gen VK Singh who is perhaps the first COAS to have taken very concerted and sustained measures to cleanse the army of  the menace of proliferating corruption particularly against those involved in mega scams and gross misdeamenours. No doubt these people who have the patronage and support of people in high places are moving heaven and earth to remove him from the scene before they all get roped in.

I can say with confidence that Gen kapoor and Lt Gen Avadesh Kumar are the mail culprits and guilty of deep rooted conspiracy in this shoddy cospiracy planned over a long period.This is no less than a coup d'tat happening in Pakistan; the difference being that it is intra service.

It is a great that an IAS officer has been able to see through the consiparacy and chosen to air his impartial views,even though I suspect the IAS officers in the MOD and the Govt  are also equally involved . Army officers are by and large  too meek and gullible to take a stand even if their chief is meted out injustice and humiliation of the worst kind.

We need to take a united stand to support this valiant and distinguished General in this hour of crisis facing the Indian army as a whole.


Col JP Sharma

So there is a need to  
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:



Today's article of mine will bring some clarity on the issue. All I would like to add is that this is not a mere clerical or bureaucratic error, but part of a larger and sinister agenda.
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________
THE STATESMAN

Special Article

O1 February  2012

President and the Army
Must Intervene And Save The Institution

By MG Devasahayam

THE President made a profound statement while addressing the nation on the eve of the 63rd Republic Day: "While bringing about reforms and improving institutions, we have to be cautious that while shaking the tree to remove the bad fruit, we do not bring down the tree itself." But, under her nose an institution called the Indian Army is being rudely shaken and being brought down by the very government she is presiding over. Despite being the Supreme Commander of India's armed forces she has not even lifted a small finger to stop that.

Republic Day is an occasion of joy and celebration because on that day in 1950, "We, the People of India, gave ourselves a Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic anchored on Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation".

Sixty-two years have passed and every year we go through the ritual of celebrations and parades with the armed forces in general and Army in particular in the vanguard. It is the members of these forces who have defended and protected our democracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereft of any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largely because of them that India stands tall as a sovereign Republic.

Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest and the most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in the nation's affairs, irrespective of his place in the order of precedence. The present government at the Centre has lost the faith of a vast majority of the people because of colossal failures almost on all fronts, except mortgaging the nation's assets and resources to MNCs. Now the Chief of the Army Staff himself has lost faith in this government and has knocked the doors of the Supreme Court seeking justice.

Instead of resolving the matter amicably by rendering substantial justice to the General, worthies of the kleptocratic state have the cheek to display indulgence. They claim that even if the apex court order goes against the Army chief,  the government will not summarily sack him. What morbid magnificence after treating General VK Singh in the shabbiest manner possible!
The controversy is supposed to have arisen due to different sets of records maintained on the General's Date of Birth (DoB) in the Adjutant General (AG) and Military Secretary (MS) branches of the Army headquarters. There are facts in the public domain suggesting availability of several records and documents in the AG Branch ~ school register, matriculation certificate, father's record of service in the Rajput Regiment, form No. IAFZ-2041 filled up in IMA ~ establishing the General's DoB as 10 May 1951.

The MS Branch is stated to have an application form for the written entrance exam to the National Defence Academy signed by a 14/15-year-old boy and some assorted papers mentioning Singh's DoB as 10 May 1950. The two branches have not reconciled the documents for over four decades.
The Attorney General and the MoD are sticking to the MS Branch records in determining the General's DoB as 10 May 1950 because it is this branch which is responsible for the promotion and posting of senior army officers. This is the spin that is going around.

 

But a confidential communication dated 01 Jul 2011 (A/4501/01/GEN/MS(1)) from Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, Military Secretary to Defence Secretary, tells a totally different tale. On four occasions:
-No: 2 Selection Board, Sept 1996 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Brigadier;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 25 Oct 2001 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 18/19 Sept 2003 ~ Special Review (Fresh) Case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen; and
-Special Selection Board, 30 Sept 2005 ~ Fresh case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Lt. Gen.
The date of birth of the General Officer (VK Singh) put up by the MS Branch and considered by the Selection Boards was 10 May 1951.

This means that the MS Branch had accepted, adopted and documented 10 May 1951 as the DoB for empanelling Gen. Singh for promotion and posting as Brigadier, Maj.-Gen. and Lt.-Gen. in 1996, 2001, 2003 and 2005 respectively. Where then was the dispute and the occasion for the former Amy Chiefs to talk to VK Singh in 2008 and 2009 and make him 'accept' 10 May 1950 as his DoB? On what grounds was the 'statutory complaint' of the Army Chief rejected, reportedly without the knowledge of the Prime Minister, forcing the General to go to the Supreme Court? The government owes an explanation to the people.


Looking at the state of the Republic one tends to lament and despair in the manner of Marcellus in Hamlet, having just seen the ghost of Hamlet's father, the late king of Denmark: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."


Considering the way things are being handled even by an otherwise god-fearing man like AK Antony, there seem to be ghosts looming in New Delhi. One is the MNC lobby that is incensed with General Singh's principled opposition to the deployment of the Army to decimate the tribal population of Dandakaranya forests to hand it over to mining interests. The General had said: "We cannot do this on our own people. Naxalism is not a secessionist movement.''
Former Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat saw another, even mightier ghost, when he said: "Former Chief  Justice of India JS Verma has said Singh had brought in probity and honesty. He is being moved out just when large arms deals are going to be signed. This means that the arms lobby and a few people who are going to be affected are behind this."


To this could be added the 'victims' of the tough stand taken by General Singh on corruption, particularly former Generals involved in the Sukna land scam and Adarsh Housing Society scandal.


This is probably why a specious and non-existent theory of 'line of succession' was dug out and touted about for rejecting the army chief's statutory complaint. The 'line of succession' is a concept which is anti-democratic and related to royalty and monarchy. Why then is the Attorney General repeating this ad nauseam? Obviously in support of the MoD's sinister agenda.


VK Singh belongs to a family that boasts a martial tradition. He hails from Bapora village in Haryana's Bhiwani district, a district that I had the privilege of raising and building up as its first Commissioner when it was established in December 1972. This village, hardly a couple of miles from Bhiwani, had a large number of serving soldiers and ex-servicemen. Being an ex-soldier myself, I had closely interacted with the simple folk of this village.


Men of General Singh's ilk serve and die by the Army's standards of integrity and honesty. When men like him and the Army he commands are impaled, it is the people who bleed. Pray, does not the President, who swears by institutions, have a duty to effectively intervene and save this institution from further damage? The nation awaits an answer.

The writer is a retired IAS officer

 


 
 




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RE: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

Dear Mathur Sahib,

This proposed national level one organisation is the demand of the day. I shall be there with you and other national level RTI activists.

Hari Goyal
Indian Economic Service (1968 Batch) 
(M) 9312881883
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:28:33 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING
From: pooja.sikcchi@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

count me too!

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, vishweshwar raste <vmraste@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sant Mathur,
 
Count me in too,
 
best !
 
sincerely,
 
vmraste
http://www.facebook.com/people/Vishweshwar-M-Raste/1587489294
 
http://twitter.com/VMRaste
 
http://in.linkedin.com/pub/vishweshwar-raste/12/42b/a94
 
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:21:24 -0800
From: arun_agrawal@yahoo.com

Subject: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com; jpshah50@yahoo.co.in
CC: santmathur@gmail.com


Dear Mr Sant Mathur :

Your concerns are appreciated .

I liver in Noida - close to New Delhi and am willing to associate with
you in the manner you consider best . The present CIC, Mr S Mishra 
is also quite well known to me .

Regards 

Arun Agrawal 

PS: My brother in law, based in Chennai, has also met you once at
a Rotary function and spoke very highly about you .





--- On Wed, 25/1/12, Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "santmathur@gmail.com" <santmathur@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 25 January, 2012, 17:21

You can count on me as promised in my email and I will also provide inputs. I think you are at Chennai and hence some active person from Delhi will have to be contacted.

I have many emails IDs of RTI activists all over India and properly worded mails can be sent to them for their cooperation.
 


-J. P. SHAH 9924106490  
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/





  
From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

The States are not filling in even a fraction of the sanctioned posts There's lack of transparency in selection.Criteria hasn't been formulated.Total ad-hocism has prevailed all these years.
Standard templates and other standardised systems haven't been developed(as done in top corporate world).
Techno-management principles are rarely,if at all,used in managing the show at all levels.
Most importantly,sou-motto disclosure of information,in standardised formats is simply missing, in spite of a lapse of 6 long years. 
The RTI community MUST now go the whole hog as a national campaign to redress the situation.
I'm prepared to take lead.
Lets see who all are there to join and contribute in meaningful manner !
spm
IPS DGP retd
BE MBA PhD
919841282324

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jitendra P. Shah <jpshah50@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Another alternative is that RTI activists should collect fund and file  PIL in SC for appointment of additional ICs in CIC and SICs, so that cases are disposed off in say 90 days. In Nov 2010 Late Amit Jethwa [ murdered in July 2011] had filed such a PIL in Gujarat HC for pendency of 8000 appeal/complaints and in March 2011 two additional ICs were appointed at GIC, because of intervention of HC. Even 4 months back  a retired bank officer from Baroda aged 78 years and requiring dialysis weekly is contesting himself at Ahmedabad a PIL for appointment of 6 ICs at GIC.. Even if RTI activists contribute Rs.1000/- we can have corpus of Rs.100000/- assuming that at least 100 activists and beneficiaries of RTI all over India will donate Rs.1000 each. I am prepared to donate Rs.5000/- from my pocket and another Rs.5000/- I can get from many beneficiaries who have got substantial amount [few in lakhs] but for RTI. Some one in or near Delhi has to take initiative with cooperation of public spirited advocates.

Govtss do not understand any language other than that of HC or SC. Let us talk to it in that language.
Let us act rather than crying. 


-J. P. SHAH 9924106490  
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/





  
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING

CIC LOSING RELEVANCE AS 26K CASES PENDING
Backlog leading to 14 months' wait per plea CKLOG LEADING TO 14 MONTHS' WAIT PER PLEA
 
NEW DELHI: With an addition of nearly 2,500 complaints every month, the Central Information Commission (CIC), which has an astounding 26,049 pending cases is well on its way to becoming redundant. The reason: the CIC disposed off 22,414 cases last year, which means that there is a pendency of 14 months for every appeal and complaint making the information received by the applicant outdated and often useless.

Commission chief Satyananda Mishra expressed concern saying, "If the pendency continues increasing, the waiting period will also increase. We are very concerned and will have to think of radical ways to tackle the problem. One of the issues that we will discuss is `summary disposal' of cases through just speaking orders to save time."

The CIC has six information commissioners, including its chief, though it has a sanctioned strength of 10. One of the first tasks undertaken by Mishra on taking over was to write to the government asking for more commissioners keeping in view the large number of cases coming to the CIC. However, there has been little progress in ramping up the strength so far.

RTI activists are concerned and have been vocal in their disapproval of the long waiting time. One prominent RTI activist, who did not wish to be named, said, "The hearing for a case where I had sought information took place three months ago and in fact only the formal order had to be issued since I was given the impression that the decision had been taken. However, I have still not heard from the office of the information commissioner.

Prof Rajeev Kumar, formerly with IIT-Kharagpur, said that he had sought information on IIT-Madras in 2010 and only managed to get hearing in September, 2011. "I received the order after three months in December, 2011 and even then the institute gave me only part of the information. It was of no use. Despite the long delay the no penalty was charged. CIC has become infructuous," Kumar said.

Sources said that some cases as old as 2006 were still pending before the Commission with no action being taken.








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Thanks & Warm Regards

Pooja Sikcchi
(M) - 9011087906
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Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support

Dear Mr Iyer

This is a surprising comment from an ex serviceman. There is only one hand written NDA application form with the government. All official documents and certificates show 1951 as DOB. Will the government start accepting any DOB declared by a person against official documents?

When his matriculation certificate was sent to UPSC before his joining NDA, rectification should have been done. As ex servicemen we all know how busy we are kept under training and early years of service. There is no time to worry about personal things in detail.

It is important for the government to uphold the dignity of an honest officer and the country as a whole should support him.

SN Datt
Sqn Ldr Retd

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, sriram iyer <sriram1iyer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Friends,,
 
Why now he is getting checked this date of birth , he likes to stay more in the office is it not - pl do not canvass for this person , he has brought down the Indian Army - he is not fighting for interest of the nation but for the SELF - i request you not to misguide the pepul.
 
There are many unconfirmed cases against many self interested persons.  
 
Regards
Sriram
Ex- Servicemen
Mobile - 98499 87946
 


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Injustice to Army Chief-This man needs our support
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 February, 2012, 2:20 PM

Quite some time back I had brought out that it is a very deep rooted and sinister campaign to ease out Gen VK Singh who is perhaps the first COAS to have taken very concerted and sustained measures to cleanse the army of  the menace of proliferating corruption particularly against those involved in mega scams and gross misdeamenours. No doubt these people who have the patronage and support of people in high places are moving heaven and earth to remove him from the scene before they all get roped in.

I can say with confidence that Gen kapoor and Lt Gen Avadesh Kumar are the mail culprits and guilty of deep rooted conspiracy in this shoddy cospiracy planned over a long period.This is no less than a coup d'tat happening in Pakistan; the difference being that it is intra service.

It is a great that an IAS officer has been able to see through the consiparacy and chosen to air his impartial views,even though I suspect the IAS officers in the MOD and the Govt  are also equally involved . Army officers are by and large  too meek and gullible to take a stand even if their chief is meted out injustice and humiliation of the worst kind.

We need to take a united stand to support this valiant and distinguished General in this hour of crisis facing the Indian army as a whole.


Col JP Sharma

So there is a need to  
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:



Today's article of mine will bring some clarity on the issue. All I would like to add is that this is not a mere clerical or bureaucratic error, but part of a larger and sinister agenda.
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________
THE STATESMAN

Special Article

O1 February  2012

President and the Army
Must Intervene And Save The Institution

By MG Devasahayam

THE President made a profound statement while addressing the nation on the eve of the 63rd Republic Day: "While bringing about reforms and improving institutions, we have to be cautious that while shaking the tree to remove the bad fruit, we do not bring down the tree itself." But, under her nose an institution called the Indian Army is being rudely shaken and being brought down by the very government she is presiding over. Despite being the Supreme Commander of India's armed forces she has not even lifted a small finger to stop that.

Republic Day is an occasion of joy and celebration because on that day in 1950, "We, the People of India, gave ourselves a Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic anchored on Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation".

Sixty-two years have passed and every year we go through the ritual of celebrations and parades with the armed forces in general and Army in particular in the vanguard. It is the members of these forces who have defended and protected our democracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense of patriotism, bereft of any political ambitions as in our neighbouring countries. It is largely because of them that India stands tall as a sovereign Republic.

Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest and the most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in the nation's affairs, irrespective of his place in the order of precedence. The present government at the Centre has lost the faith of a vast majority of the people because of colossal failures almost on all fronts, except mortgaging the nation's assets and resources to MNCs. Now the Chief of the Army Staff himself has lost faith in this government and has knocked the doors of the Supreme Court seeking justice.

Instead of resolving the matter amicably by rendering substantial justice to the General, worthies of the kleptocratic state have the cheek to display indulgence. They claim that even if the apex court order goes against the Army chief,  the government will not summarily sack him. What morbid magnificence after treating General VK Singh in the shabbiest manner possible!
The controversy is supposed to have arisen due to different sets of records maintained on the General's Date of Birth (DoB) in the Adjutant General (AG) and Military Secretary (MS) branches of the Army headquarters. There are facts in the public domain suggesting availability of several records and documents in the AG Branch ~ school register, matriculation certificate, father's record of service in the Rajput Regiment, form No. IAFZ-2041 filled up in IMA ~ establishing the General's DoB as 10 May 1951.

The MS Branch is stated to have an application form for the written entrance exam to the National Defence Academy signed by a 14/15-year-old boy and some assorted papers mentioning Singh's DoB as 10 May 1950. The two branches have not reconciled the documents for over four decades.
The Attorney General and the MoD are sticking to the MS Branch records in determining the General's DoB as 10 May 1950 because it is this branch which is responsible for the promotion and posting of senior army officers. This is the spin that is going around.

 

But a confidential communication dated 01 Jul 2011 (A/4501/01/GEN/MS(1)) from Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, Military Secretary to Defence Secretary, tells a totally different tale. On four occasions:
-No: 2 Selection Board, Sept 1996 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Brigadier;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 25 Oct 2001 ~ Fresh case 1970 batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen;
-No: 1 Selection Board, 18/19 Sept 2003 ~ Special Review (Fresh) Case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Maj. Gen; and
-Special Selection Board, 30 Sept 2005 ~ Fresh case 1970 Batch for promotion to the acting rank of Lt. Gen.
The date of birth of the General Officer (VK Singh) put up by the MS Branch and considered by the Selection Boards was 10 May 1951.

This means that the MS Branch had accepted, adopted and documented 10 May 1951 as the DoB for empanelling Gen. Singh for promotion and posting as Brigadier, Maj.-Gen. and Lt.-Gen. in 1996, 2001, 2003 and 2005 respectively. Where then was the dispute and the occasion for the former Amy Chiefs to talk to VK Singh in 2008 and 2009 and make him 'accept' 10 May 1950 as his DoB? On what grounds was the 'statutory complaint' of the Army Chief rejected, reportedly without the knowledge of the Prime Minister, forcing the General to go to the Supreme Court? The government owes an explanation to the people.


Looking at the state of the Republic one tends to lament and despair in the manner of Marcellus in Hamlet, having just seen the ghost of Hamlet's father, the late king of Denmark: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."


Considering the way things are being handled even by an otherwise god-fearing man like AK Antony, there seem to be ghosts looming in New Delhi. One is the MNC lobby that is incensed with General Singh's principled opposition to the deployment of the Army to decimate the tribal population of Dandakaranya forests to hand it over to mining interests. The General had said: "We cannot do this on our own people. Naxalism is not a secessionist movement.''
Former Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat saw another, even mightier ghost, when he said: "Former Chief  Justice of India JS Verma has said Singh had brought in probity and honesty. He is being moved out just when large arms deals are going to be signed. This means that the arms lobby and a few people who are going to be affected are behind this."


To this could be added the 'victims' of the tough stand taken by General Singh on corruption, particularly former Generals involved in the Sukna land scam and Adarsh Housing Society scandal.


This is probably why a specious and non-existent theory of 'line of succession' was dug out and touted about for rejecting the army chief's statutory complaint. The 'line of succession' is a concept which is anti-democratic and related to royalty and monarchy. Why then is the Attorney General repeating this ad nauseam? Obviously in support of the MoD's sinister agenda.


VK Singh belongs to a family that boasts a martial tradition. He hails from Bapora village in Haryana's Bhiwani district, a district that I had the privilege of raising and building up as its first Commissioner when it was established in December 1972. This village, hardly a couple of miles from Bhiwani, had a large number of serving soldiers and ex-servicemen. Being an ex-soldier myself, I had closely interacted with the simple folk of this village.


Men of General Singh's ilk serve and die by the Army's standards of integrity and honesty. When men like him and the Army he commands are impaled, it is the people who bleed. Pray, does not the President, who swears by institutions, have a duty to effectively intervene and save this institution from further damage? The nation awaits an answer.

The writer is a retired IAS officer

 


 
 




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