Friday, July 15, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

I am agree wuith your point that Neta are spending our tax money on their security . They said that Blast can not stooped  Congress Gov is totally failed to protect nation from the blast only making public fool by supporting their yub raj raj Rahul Gandhi on his wrong statement on the evening of Mumbai Blast .
 Capt (Retd)rPuran Singh aswal
Delhil

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Prashant Takwal <ptakwal@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes Abhijit....totally true... and its in our blood. The Americans are idots who spend 10 years for one man.....
 
Rather Armed struggle, its a time of united and show, come on streets and force croupt politiions to regin, as in jails they are enjoying 5 start treatment AND THATS TOO ON MONEY WE PAY interms of Tax.
 
On Netas, Crores were spend in a single day on security...what abt nation people....???
Sala tax dena band kar du, taab karo apni security pay karch...

--- On Wed, 13/7/11, Abhijit Mehta <abhijitvmehta@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abhijit Mehta <abhijitvmehta@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 July, 2011, 8:17 PM


Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.

I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"


Is it a time for an armed struggle?

Abhijit

Re: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Well Mr, Sarbarjit,
 
I had mailed the group last at 09 38 pm attached below, you have not included the same on the Group? Also later you are insisting that only related mails to RTI should be posted.
 
But nonetheless you are allowing people to comment on the thread, which as per your comments is out of the scope from RTI and at 11:38 pm is the last post that too not mine.
 
The only thing that interests me is be equal for all. And moderators should not be of double standards.
 
Regards,
 
Hemant Kshirsagar
 
 
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>


To Mr. Judge,

This is a simple thing, people like you have a stance for a diplomatic answer for all the questions when you are asked such questions.

May I ask why the Mr. Kasab is still alive with the Jail/taxpayers money by your fraternity???

Also when are you going to sentence such person to death row ??

No, the only answer you may give is armed resistance should be avoided..

What Army does? What Police does? What Judicial does? I pay taxes but I may be attacked and if I reply or say that I want to attack, people like you say that such should not be done?? Were are you when justice is denied.

Religion Apart if the you are lame then any one will attack us and not you.. (you are protected with government money).

It is a shame for all!!

Shame Judge. Don't go behind the Muslims and their ideologies.

Do your job FAST and ASAP 




On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Hemant

In the past 12 hours, only you have been posting to this thread.

The purpose of this group / mailing list is

1) RTI discussion
2) Better informed and responsible citizenry

Sarbajit


On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Well Moderators, I want an answer for this, are you going to stop the thread or irrelevant thread below? as you are showing double standards for the same.

I require that we all should be treated equally.

Regards,
Hemant Kshirsagar




On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Moderators,

Kindly can you stop this thread? as you yourself have said that this is for the discussion about only RTI and not anything else.

There should be uniform standards for all.

Regards,
Hemant

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
These comments by Gen.Chauhan & Justice Nath are so true that there
are small coteries operating behind these gangs.
Regards R.K.Atri

On 7/14/11, Sainiksangh <gs@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
>
>   -----with due respects Justice Nath
>   the Hindu mind set was never designed by almight to be any thing else than
> be seeing  salvation in submitting! Hindu never understook any armed
> struggle that I know of.This is the secret of Hindu survival! Tulsidas when
> asked how he can tolerate being a subject of  mlechch just remarked 'hame ka
> hani koee nrip hove'. To a Hindu the path of moksha is the ultimate goal for
> which he looks to middlemen as guides ! Hindu downfall has been this
> brahmanical philosophy which is so convenient to build followers . One has
> been amazed how successfully this galvanises people to coalsece behind
> individuals who then decide the primacy in life's journey . Then country
> ,nation ,duty ,honour etc become unimportant. To cite many of our Generals
> used to flock at the feet of the late Sai Baba looking for salvation-
> promotions etc,  when they aught to have been fitting out for battle and
> present elsewhere ! How he amassed wealth and was a liability to national
> security is another story.   This is why the Hindu had no nation state or a
> country or an army !  A historical truth with unbroken consistency and bane
> of this society. The Hinduatva creed only proved a step ahead . Hindu unlike
> the white race cannot thus fit into any corrective machinery to improve
> human community. He is an individulist (as a religion)  , thus constantly
> engaged in own self in pursuit of wealth and status which cannot get him
> moksha anyway. Which is why  Hindu slogan is 'kaun banega krorepati' (
> compare this with what the German young were drilled -Germany over all , not
> that even after losing two wars they worse off than Hindus) ! Can one expect
> any society which has money  as the threshold of motivation being anything
> but a slave to greed and to everything that this brings ! Which is why Hindu
> is so philosophising, embracing any, many or none of ideas and thoughts on
> human values  as per conveneience , fatalist, unmoving to misery and sqauler
> , incensitive to right or wrong , evading action,submisive , opulent and
> ostentatious , uncaring about his surroundings , bereft of pride and self
> esteem . With this background he has taken up an illusionary mission of
> fighting corruption when corruption is embedded in Hindu veins right from
> birth from temple rituals to grooming. In the light of this I think your
> suggestion is most appropriate.  The anti corruption war itself will vanish
> very soon as it merges with election activity and these messiahs Anna and
> the Baba settle down in their political camps.
>   regards
>   chauhan
>
>    Original Message -----
>   From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>   To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:18 AM
>   Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
>
>   Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell the
> powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate themselves
> what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of Hatred,
> 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim
> themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace but
> indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have never
> elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who!  Administratively, has
> the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements amongst
> the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes, where
> and with what results? Or do minorities  continue to be their specially
> protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick enough to
> act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4th & 5th
> June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi, but
> has no capacity -perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements. People
> must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.
>
>                                         KN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   From the Desk of :
>
>   Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
>         Retd.
>        :
>        Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
>         Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
>         Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
>         Address
>        :
>        `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh,
> India
>
>         Phone(s)
>        :
>        +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
>   To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
>
>
>   Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those
> politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.
>
>   I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Is it a time for an armed struggle?
>
>
>
>
>
>   Abhijit
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

Best Regards

R K Atri

F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
 Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518




[HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

The best way to stop these blasts is to withdraw free sarkari security
to the politicians & their sarkari chamchas masquerading as VIPs &
VVIPs. No only the blasts will stop , most crime too will vanish when
they feel as safe as the aam admi.

Thursday, July 14, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] USA, Israel, Afghanistan & India should jointly educate (read, pulverize) Pakistan

there is never a bad time for it.... the earlier the better. we will not have more Mumbai blasts then......ajay

----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Cooper
To: acb , LK Advani , Asian Age , Goa Bachao , eGovINDIA , Frontline , GOACAN , goarti , Herald , Humjanenge , IHRO , Transparency India , Times of India , Karmayog , Kill Corruption , rti4 , Business Standard , Sushma Swaraj , Tehelka , Navhind Times , Gomantak Times , voiceofindia , Voicesforfreedom , Janshakti yahoogroups , Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups
Sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:15:27 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [HumJanenge] USA, Israel, Afghanistan & India should jointly educate (read, pulverize) Pakistan

Is it time to pulverize Pakistan, to rid the world of the cancer once for all?
Victor

Re: [HumJanenge] IMPORTANT GROUP NOTICE

A person who was a member of CPI State Council has been appointed as State Information Commission ,Kerala contrary to the provisions that no person related to any political party should be appointed against the post.Sn 15(6). The matter is being heard by the High Court. Is there any such precedent ian any other state?
 KNKNamboodiri
On 14 July 2011 22:35, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To all members of HumJanenge mailing list

Hi

The Moderators of this list must regretfully request members to (self) regulate their posts to this list. In the past 24 hours we have received about 112 posts to this list, out of which the moderators have allowed about 30 to be circulated. The rest have been Trashed.

We remind our members (many of them new to this list and its etiquette / rules) that this is primarily a mailing list for RTI (ie. Right to Information) discussion. We have a great many serving and former public servants / armed forces / police etc. personnel on this list who are deeply concerned with RTI for resolving their service / pension matters and who look forward to informative discussions (instead of puerile griping about the state of the nation and armchair discussion on how to solve it).

As we are now the world's largest RTI mailing list with.over 4,000 stakeholders and very widely read, kindly maintain a high level of debate / discussion in a civilised / secular manner as we have being doing for the past 6 years.

Sarbajit
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Re: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Dear Hemant

In the past 12 hours, only you have been posting to this thread.

The purpose of this group / mailing list is

1) RTI discussion
2) Better informed and responsible citizenry

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Well Moderators, I want an answer for this, are you going to stop the thread or irrelevant thread below? as you are showing double standards for the same.

I require that we all should be treated equally.

Regards,
Hemant Kshirsagar




On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Moderators,

Kindly can you stop this thread? as you yourself have said that this is for the discussion about only RTI and not anything else.

There should be uniform standards for all.

Regards,
Hemant

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
These comments by Gen.Chauhan & Justice Nath are so true that there
are small coteries operating behind these gangs.
Regards R.K.Atri

On 7/14/11, Sainiksangh <gs@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
>
>   -----with due respects Justice Nath
>   the Hindu mind set was never designed by almight to be any thing else than
> be seeing  salvation in submitting! Hindu never understook any armed
> struggle that I know of.This is the secret of Hindu survival! Tulsidas when
> asked how he can tolerate being a subject of  mlechch just remarked 'hame ka
> hani koee nrip hove'. To a Hindu the path of moksha is the ultimate goal for
> which he looks to middlemen as guides ! Hindu downfall has been this
> brahmanical philosophy which is so convenient to build followers . One has
> been amazed how successfully this galvanises people to coalsece behind
> individuals who then decide the primacy in life's journey . Then country
> ,nation ,duty ,honour etc become unimportant. To cite many of our Generals
> used to flock at the feet of the late Sai Baba looking for salvation-
> promotions etc,  when they aught to have been fitting out for battle and
> present elsewhere ! How he amassed wealth and was a liability to national
> security is another story.   This is why the Hindu had no nation state or a
> country or an army !  A historical truth with unbroken consistency and bane
> of this society. The Hinduatva creed only proved a step ahead . Hindu unlike
> the white race cannot thus fit into any corrective machinery to improve
> human community. He is an individulist (as a religion)  , thus constantly
> engaged in own self in pursuit of wealth and status which cannot get him
> moksha anyway. Which is why  Hindu slogan is 'kaun banega krorepati' (
> compare this with what the German young were drilled -Germany over all , not
> that even after losing two wars they worse off than Hindus) ! Can one expect
> any society which has money  as the threshold of motivation being anything
> but a slave to greed and to everything that this brings ! Which is why Hindu
> is so philosophising, embracing any, many or none of ideas and thoughts on
> human values  as per conveneience , fatalist, unmoving to misery and sqauler
> , incensitive to right or wrong , evading action,submisive , opulent and
> ostentatious , uncaring about his surroundings , bereft of pride and self
> esteem . With this background he has taken up an illusionary mission of
> fighting corruption when corruption is embedded in Hindu veins right from
> birth from temple rituals to grooming. In the light of this I think your
> suggestion is most appropriate.  The anti corruption war itself will vanish
> very soon as it merges with election activity and these messiahs Anna and
> the Baba settle down in their political camps.
>   regards
>   chauhan
>
>    Original Message -----
>   From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>   To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:18 AM
>   Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
>
>   Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell the
> powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate themselves
> what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of Hatred,
> 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim
> themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace but
> indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have never
> elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who!  Administratively, has
> the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements amongst
> the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes, where
> and with what results? Or do minorities  continue to be their specially
> protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick enough to
> act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4th & 5th
> June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi, but
> has no capacity -perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements. People
> must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.
>
>                                         KN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   From the Desk of :
>
>   Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
>         Retd.
>        :
>        Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
>         Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
>         Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
>         Address
>        :
>        `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh,
> India
>
>         Phone(s)
>        :
>        +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
>   To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
>
>
>   Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those
> politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.
>
>   I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Is it a time for an armed struggle?
>
>
>
>
>
>   Abhijit
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

Best Regards

R K Atri

F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
 Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518



[HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Sir

1) I am NOT an "aam aadmi". Hence I am eligible to be counted among
the "uncorrupt".
2) This is a serious group for serious discussion. so please conserve
your laughter for a time when this nation becomes a fun place to live
in.


On Jul 15, 9:20 am, Mathre Rangarajan <ranga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your one statement below is very significant:
> "2) Reason we have corruption is because AAM AADMI is completely corrupt."
> With this premise all other actions even an uprising / revolution will be fruitless - You cannot change AAM ADMI because you are one of them! Nobody since the inception of known civilisation of last 5000+ years have been able to change the basic mind set of an entire nation! With your this statement, I think, we have to live with it!! ha! ha! ha!
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>
> >To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] delay in courts
>
> >Dear Major Gurpreet.
> >My 2 paise worth
>
> >1) Endemic Corruption is not the disease, it is the SYMPTOM of the real disease.
>
> >2) Reason we have corruption is because AAM AADMI is completely corrupt.
>
> >3) To treat this disease we need to ELIMINATE the cancer.
>
> >4) To eliminate cancers we need SCALPELS and LASERS to BLAST the cancerous CELLS.
>
> >5) Some cancers are very difficult to remove because they REPLICATE VERY FAST. Wipe out 1 (or 2)  and 3 new ones are ready and waiting to populate the willing host.
>
> >6) PATRIOTS MUST REPLICATE EVEN FASTER.
>
> >7)  PATRIOTS MUST BLAST MORE. The first step is to cut the enemy's supply lines and means of communication.
>
> >8)  All "homeopathic" palliatives and sedatives (LokPal, Gandhigiri, satyagraha etc) should be rejected without further ado. Cancerous Cells who propagate such homeopathy should be Blasted.
>
> >Sarbajit
>
> >On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:23 AM, <majorgurj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> >>The problem in India is the corruption at all levels. Judges are not bothered for "aam aadmi" or the country? Judges are busy either pleasing their political boses or putting all efforts for cases involving rich and famous or planning their own/family's concerns.
>
> >>What we need to do is talk less and act more. Plan an organization of like minded people at grass root level in all cities/villages with an agenda to improve/safeguard democracy, use RTI act to help "aam aadmi", create awareness through media if any thing wrong happens to aam aadmi, make local authorities/MLA/MP accountable to public, review every quarter the progress of the local area vs promises made by the politicians etc etc.
> >>A major movement is required on the lines of satya grah of Gandhi times. We need to have another freedom struggle from these rascals.
>
> >>Good luck,
> >>Major Gurjeet