any RTI activist having copy of this petition, pl. upload.
-Joshi NM
Friday, April 15, 2011
[HumJanenge] petition seeking prosecution of Sonia Gandhi sent to PMO
Dr. Subramaniam Swami has sent yesterday a 206 page Petition to MMS seeking Sonia's prosecution for which he needs sanction.
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
To IC(AD) defense, I found her order under reference fair enough. Unlike MC Guptaji's claim, she came down heavily on the respondents. Maybe she did not penalize the erring CPIO, who had by then retired. Had Guptaji done his home work properly and able to establish that the CPIO was habitual in dely / denial of information to other applicants as well, perhaps the story would have been different. A single case of delay is usually treated as a solitary case. Next time when one goes for the hearing, it could help if the applicant could examine before hand, all RTI Applications that have been disposed of by the CPIO in question.
Manoj Pai
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's quite OK, we dont want to be
> referred to / described as "angrez
> ke poonch".
>
> For Guptaji's benefit I will explain the idiom as
> "What is the use of
> locking the safe door ('tijori') after all the money has
> been
> stolen ?". I was using it to describe IC(AD)'s order to the
> PA after
> the CPIO has left, and NOT to Guptajis subsequent actions.
>
> Sarbajit
[HumJanenge] Modian Anna, Practice Yourself First What You Preach
Anna growing above the law of the R.T.I; the high point of social activism.
Afroz Alam Sahil, BeyondHeadlines
Finally, it seems that there will be an end to all corrupt practices. Everyone will be transparent and accountable. People will become sovereign and lok pal (ombudsman). Pray this happens!
But I cannot stop thinking what is so special about the said Lokpal or Jan Lokpal Bill. Will it be able to do what all anti-graft bills failed to do miserably? That is yet to be seen. But one thing is sure that the accumulated angst of people has finally found a vent in the form of Anna and his rallying crowd. I will take the liberty of calling it a safety valve, which indirectly has only helped the government ease the tension against corruption.
When the Right to Information (RTI) Act was passed in 2005, people had similar expectations. In fact, this is the very act that has made both Anna and his newly found lieutenant and media savvy Arvind Kejriwal. In fact, both of them subsequently won the prestigious Magsaysay award as well.
However, Anna now seems to desert the same RTI. I remember the incident when a few months back, an RTI activist went to him taking the case of the irregularities being practiced in the appointment of the Maharashtra information commissioner, but this Modian Anna did not listen to him. The RTI activist then sat on dharna (sit-in) before Anna's ashram. At that time neither Anna supported him nor even any media organisation. Perhaps, he did not know how to manage the media and was not strategic enough. It's a different story though that he himself has worked in the mainstream media. The irony was that Anna, who himself sits on hunger strike for a "noble cause," called the police and got the RTI activist thrown out from that place. This is how a person who has been termed anti-corruption crusader treats his fellow comrades...................................................
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Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
Dear WEDS
Why should we discuss / propound the Indian Constitution when Mr Anna Hazare and Mr Manmohan Singh have just shown us that GoI considers it a worthless piece of paper ( ... which is better used for certain unmentionable purposes .... )
Sarbajit
Why should we discuss / propound the Indian Constitution when Mr Anna Hazare and Mr Manmohan Singh have just shown us that GoI considers it a worthless piece of paper ( ... which is better used for certain unmentionable purposes .... )
Sarbajit
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:00 PM, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dear Lopsided brains,Have faith in Indian democracy!1. The Constitution of India, in its Preamble, states, "WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a 1[SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] and to secure to all its citizens:JUSTICE, social, economic and political;LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them allFRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the 2[unity and integrity of the Nation];IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twentysixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.Note that what is in bold letters. One would observe;3. The Government is formed in a Democracy by the Elected Representatives of People having support of majority of like political ideology holders, for in a Democracy all the people cannot rule all the people; hence, this system.Sovereign stands for Supreme or highest in power; superior to all othersSocialist stands for common ownership. This means the resources of the world being owned in common by the entire global population.Secular stands for not controlled by a religious body or concerned with religious or spiritual matters.Democratic stands for with equal participation by all; characterized by free and equal participation in government or in the decision-making processes of an organization or group.Republic stands for a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them.4. The body of elected representatives is known as the Parliament (Meaning platform to speak) for the people; as all the people cannot speak for all the people. "Parlare" meaning to speak.5. The Parliament consists of two houses a. The House of People b. Council of states.6. The House of People consists of directly elected representatives by the People.7. The Council of states consists of secondary representatives of people i.e. representatives of representatives of people.8. Parliament enacts laws which are construed & deemed as De Facto reflect the will of People as they are enacted with the consent of majority of elected representatives of people. Although, nowhere in the Constitution of India it is expressly stated, it can be inferred, if an enactment seeks to withdraw, abrogate & diminish the inherent rights of people, in a democracy, people have the right to express their dissent to the parliament by a memorandum & indicate the need to change or modify that enactment. If by chance if the dissenters are in majority, Parliament is bound to change it. This can be inferred by understanding the power of people in a democracy. Although has not yet happened, it is an inalienable right of people! Although, the constituent power of Parliament provides it the mandate to amend the Constitution by Art. 368 of it, such amendments should not in any manner abrogate the inherent, inalienable, axiomatic, fundamental those are essential identities of a Democracy. This aspect has never been delved into in 63 years of independent India!.9. From the contents of the Preamble of The Constitution of India & other aspects deducted therefrom, one would agree that the People of India have installed the Constitution of India & the Government therewithin for themselves & to govern them. Hence, in Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A PEOPLE; OF THE PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE. People are hence Supreme & not the Government in a Democracy, as the Government is installed by the people to govern themselves. Hence, Government in a Democracy exists at the pleasure of THE PEOPLE.10. There is also implied relation of Master & servants between the People & the Government in Indian Democracy. Hence, every Government functionary from President, Governor, Prime Minister, Cabinet of ministers to an attender at Village Panchayt as well as functionaries of judiciary including Chief Justice of Supreme Court of India & High Courts are all Public Servants. This is reiterated in section 21 of Indian Penal Code 1860, Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & in states where there is Lokayukta, under The Lokayukta Act. This is an inherent, inalienable, axiomatic, fundamental & essential relation between People & Government in Indian Democracy.11. What is stated above in 10 is reiterated & reaffirmed in the preface of RTI act 2005 as follows:An Act to provide for setting out the practical regime of right to information for citizens to secure access to information under the control of public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority.Whereas the Constitution of India has established democratic Republic; And whereas democracy requires an informed citizenry and transparency of information which are vital to its functioning and also to contain corruption and to hold Governments and their instrumentalities accountable to the governed.12. Hence, the Government & all its functionaries are accountable & answerable to the People of India. Hence, the People of India have a right to question the Government that they have installed within the framework of the Constitution on its acts & omissions. This is otherwise known as the Right to Information. No Government by any law, can withdraw this right & if it happens it would be SUBVERSION OF DEMOCRACY.WEDSFrom: Pankaj <pkp.shreyaskar@nic.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011, 8:29
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
Dear ModeratorKindly remove my id from this group.Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>It is most sensible decision and I fully endorse it
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 April, 2011 9:00:57 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
The Owners of this group have decided that HUMJANENGE groups will be
exclusively for RTI matters, and this forum RTI4EMP-GG will be for all
the other stuff (including using RTI for fighting corruption, LPB
etc).
http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/a81fc00478db19c9
Vishal has also communicated something similar to the HJ-YG group
Sarbajit
On 4/13/11, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
> sarbajit
> plz stick to RTI issues only in this forum.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The tried and tested "Sonia Bhagao, Desh Bachao !!" formula just in time
>> for the assembly polls.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM, mohanraj jebamani <
>> mohanraj.jebamani@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> we should not expect sonia to order,she knows better than anybody else
>>> that all her slaves are corrupt to core and they do not add salt to their
>>> food.only way to save this country is to chase sonia away.
>>>
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Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
Dear Lopsided brains,
Have faith in Indian democracy!
1. The Constitution of India, in its Preamble, states, "WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a 1[SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] and to secure to all its citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the 2[unity and integrity of the Nation];
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twentysixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.
Note that what is in bold letters. One would observe;
3. The Government is formed in a Democracy by the Elected Representatives of People having support of majority of like political ideology holders, for in a Democracy all the people cannot rule all the people; hence, this system.
Sovereign stands for Supreme or highest in power; superior to all others
Socialist stands for common ownership. This means the resources of the world being owned in common by the entire global population.
Secular stands for not controlled by a religious body or concerned with religious or spiritual matters.
Democratic stands for with equal participation by all; characterized by free and equal participation in government or in the decision-making processes of an organization or group.
Republic stands for a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them.
4. The body of elected representatives is known as the Parliament (Meaning platform to speak) for the people; as all the people cannot speak for all the people. "Parlare" meaning to speak.
5. The Parliament consists of two houses a. The House of People b. Council of states.
6. The House of People consists of directly elected representatives by the People.
7. The Council of states consists of secondary representatives of people i.e. representatives of representatives of people.
8. Parliament enacts laws which are construed & deemed as De Facto reflect the will of People as they are enacted with the consent of majority of elected representatives of people. Although, nowhere in the Constitution of India it is expressly stated, it can be inferred, if an enactment seeks to withdraw, abrogate & diminish the inherent rights of people, in a democracy, people have the right to express their dissent to the parliament by a memorandum & indicate the need to change or modify that enactment. If by chance if the dissenters are in majority, Parliament is bound to change it. This can be inferred by understanding the power of people in a democracy. Although has not yet happened, it is an inalienable right of people! Although, the constituent power of Parliament provides it the mandate to amend the Constitution by Art. 368 of it, such amendments should not in any manner abrogate the inherent, inalienable, axiomatic, fundamental those are essential identities of a Democracy. This aspect has never been delved into in 63 years of independent India!.
9. From the contents of the Preamble of The Constitution of India & other aspects deducted therefrom, one would agree that the People of India have installed the Constitution of India & the Government therewithin for themselves & to govern them. Hence, in Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A PEOPLE; OF THE PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE. People are hence Supreme & not the Government in a Democracy, as the Government is installed by the people to govern themselves. Hence, Government in a Democracy exists at the pleasure of THE PEOPLE.
10. There is also implied relation of Master & servants between the People & the Government in Indian Democracy. Hence, every Government functionary from President, Governor, Prime Minister, Cabinet of ministers to an attender at Village Panchayt as well as functionaries of judiciary including Chief Justice of Supreme Court of India & High Courts are all Public Servants. This is reiterated in section 21 of Indian Penal Code 1860, Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & in states where there is Lokayukta, under The Lokayukta Act. This is an inherent, inalienable, axiomatic, fundamental & essential relation between People & Government in Indian Democracy.
11. What is stated above in 10 is reiterated & reaffirmed in the preface of RTI act 2005 as follows:
An Act to provide for setting out the practical regime of right to information for citizens to secure access to information under the control of public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority.
Whereas the Constitution of India has established democratic Republic; And whereas democracy requires an informed citizenry and transparency of information which are vital to its functioning and also to contain corruption and to hold Governments and their instrumentalities accountable to the governed.
12. Hence, the Government & all its functionaries are accountable & answerable to the People of India. Hence, the People of India have a right to question the Government that they have installed within the framework of the Constitution on its acts & omissions. This is otherwise known as the Right to Information. No Government by any law, can withdraw this right & if it happens it would be SUBVERSION OF DEMOCRACY.
WEDS
From: Pankaj <pkp.shreyaskar@nic.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011, 8:29
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011, 8:29
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
Dear Moderator
Kindly remove my id from this group.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
It is most sensible decision and I fully endorse it
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 April, 2011 9:00:57 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] anna hazare wants sonia to order.
The Owners of this group have decided that HUMJANENGE groups will be
exclusively for RTI matters, and this forum RTI4EMP-GG will be for all
the other stuff (including using RTI for fighting corruption, LPB
etc).
http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/a81fc00478db19c9
Vishal has also communicated something similar to the HJ-YG group
Sarbajit
On 4/13/11, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
> sarbajit
> plz stick to RTI issues only in this forum.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The tried and tested "Sonia Bhagao, Desh Bachao !!" formula just in time
>> for the assembly polls.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM, mohanraj jebamani <
>> mohanraj.jebamani@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> we should not expect sonia to order,she knows better than anybody else
>>> that all her slaves are corrupt to core and they do not add salt to their
>>> food.only way to save this country is to chase sonia away.
>>>
>>> __._,_.___
>>> Reply to
>>> sender<mohanraj.jebamani@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20anna%20hazare%20wants%20sonia%20to%20order%2E>|
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>Regards
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Central Information Commission
Old JNU Campus
New Delhi 110067
011-26717354
[HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
That's quite OK, we dont want to be referred to / described as "angrez
ke poonch".
ke poonch".
For Guptaji's benefit I will explain the idiom as "What is the use of
locking the safe door ('tijori') after all the money has been
stolen ?". I was using it to describe IC(AD)'s order to the PA after
the CPIO has left, and NOT to Guptajis subsequent actions.
Sarbajit
On Apr 15, 9:11 pm, Manoj Pai <manoj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In other words it means "it is no use crying over spilt milk".
>
> So we have a few list members who are not very conversant with the Queens English & its typical idioms and phrases ;-)
>
> Manoj
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
| In other words it means "it is no use crying over spilt milk". So we have a few list members who are not very conversant with the Queens English & its typical idioms and phrases ;-) Manoj |
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