Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer

Dear Irfanji,

Firstly I am Urvi,not Urvashi.

I think first you need to realise the two issues are separate-the live-in issue and Dharmendra's case. Please understand that when the Courts speak of live-in-they are talking of live-ins as a possible alternative to marriage. So, it is more about an acceptance of a state of things in our society and an attempt to protect the women in such relationships. I do not think the Courts can EVER intend to compromise the position of the wife in the Hindu Marriage Act(or even the Special Marriage Act, for that matter). Which means that you may chose to live-in or marry ONE woman at a time.Where there is a pre-existing wife, bigamy WILL come into play. Serial monogamy is allowable under Indian law, NOT bigamy or polygamy.

Regards

Urvi

From: irfan khan

Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 3:58 PM

To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer

Urvashi ji .

supreme court is justifying live-in-relationships ( women living with men without marriage )and supreme court is justifying same sex marriage .

 

if supreme court is justifying such illegal and criminal relationships then why supreme courts cant justify a duely married women as WIFE . ( Hema's case )

 

urvashiji

 

basically i was replying to Mr sharma who said raping kashmiri girls is justified. He went on to say muslims cant satisfy 4 wives so it is justified that army MUST rape kashmiri women .

 

we all must condem sharma for his uncivilised comments on kashmiri girls.

 

urvashi do u condem?????

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree with Khemani sahab.In fact,my mailbox is flooded with these mails.I am on the rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com and am happy with that.Incidentally,Mr Khan,the law applicable in Dharmendra's case is the Hindu law and it is uneqivocal in its position.There is a Supreme Court judgement on this,as I understand it.

PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM ALL GROUPS OTHER THAN rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com  I fail to understand why there s no unity though.It probably requires the cause being put above individual egos.

Regards,

Urvi

From: Bimal Khemani

Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:18 PM

To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer

 

I WOULD REQUEST THE MODERATOR OF THIS GROUP TO STOP SUCH ABUSIVE ARTICLES AND LETTERS

BIMAL KUMAR KHEMANI,
TRAP group of RTI activists
 ALIGARH (U.P.)
 Mob:09359724625
******************************************
Officially Certified A Grade by DoPT
*****************************************

On 6 November 2010 12:09, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear sharma .

 

this shows how uneducated and un civilised you are .

 

I pray to Allah that he may send indian army to your area and let the army rape your wife and daughters . I am praying this because you do not have any objection to this .

 

 

as far as 4 wifes of muslims is concerned .Just read following.

 

 

Hema malini is second wife of Dharmendra . If you follow Hindu marriage act Hema cannot be "Wife " since Hindu marriage act do not allow second wife .

 

this means Hema is Rakhel" of Dharmendra and Isha Deol is his "Bastard child "

 

However if u follow Islamic law . Hema malini is legal WIFE and Ish Deol is his legal daughter .

 

Islam is giving status of WIFE to hema wheras Hindu law is giving her status of RAKHEL . now tell me which law is giving hema respect ?????

 

Islam permits more than one wife to stop extra marital affairs . Extra marital affairs give status of RAKHEL to women . islam say . if you love her , marry her and give full honour and status . Dont treat her like RAKHEL.

 

 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:

You are talking like wazahat sahib. approach you are suggesting has not worked for over 60 yaers. India must pull out its troops to jammu, use neutron bomb and solve problem finally. Kashmiri youth are asking to be killed, why are they throwing stones and bombs. Rape is effective mean for army to control and dominate. Indian soldiers spend many months away from wive and family. since no local brothels and too many rti queries then raping local girls is best low cost solution Also it is scientific fact that 1 muslim man cannot satisfy 4 wives so where is harm if Indian army helps local poplation.

S D Sharma

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:

The easiest way to solve kashmir problem is to WIN OVER the hearts and minds of the kashmiris ..

 

this cannot be done through raping kashmiri gilrs and killing kashmiri youth.The history is evident that we failed to win kashmir through raping and killing .

 

now lets try to win over kashmir through attemps made to win over hearts and minds of kashmiris.

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr

You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion.

ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem

S D Sharma

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Friends, My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc. There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here. http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1 As an alternative link- http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml Amitabh Thakur IPS, Currently at IIM Lucknow # 94155-34526

Re: [HumJanenge] EU pushes for "right to be forgotten" on social media

Vijay ji, I earnestly urge u not to stoop to the level of imposters and maintain your language which is our biggest assets.  We cannot eradicate an evil by resorting to another evil. 

---

From: VijayBahadur Singh <vijaybahadur@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 6 November, 2010 5:00:29 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] EU pushes for "right to be forgotten" on social media

You are son of bitch and not Vishal. If you have courahe then post this message in the group.

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM, vishalkudchadkar <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/205340/eu-pushes-for-right-to-be-forgotten-on-social-media

The European Union (EU) is pushing to legalize peoples' individual
right to delete all information about themselves online, the UK's The
Daily Telegraph said on Saturday.

"Internet users must have effective control of what they put online
and be able to correct, withdraw or delete it at will. What happens if
you want to permanently delete your profile on a social networking
site? Can this be done easily? The right to be forgotten is essential
in today's digital world," EU rights commissioner Viviane Reding told
the newspaper.

Although various online services and social networking sites allow you
to delete your profile, there is as yet no simple way to remove
personal information that has spread through the Internet.

This move by the EU sets a precedent for online companies, many of
which —including Facebook and Google— are already embattled in privacy
and anti-trust issues.

It remains to be seen if other countries will follow suit.

The move by the EU sets an interesting precedent for countries like
the Philippines, where social media are utilized heavily by the public
as well as the private sector.

Re: [HumJanenge] Natgrid will kick in from May 2011. Is the big brother threat for real?

If PMK1504 and Vishal .............. are not fake ids, I request you to post their scanned photos with id proofs which may be PAN or Voter's I card.  Every thing will be clear for once and all.  If this is not done, the doubts among the members shall continue to persist.

 

No doubt, the rti4empowerement and HJ, both yahoogroups are older than the two new groups with the same names created as googlegroups.   I want to know the intention of giving the same names to these new groups.

 

Is there some shortage of new names or could the creaters cannot imagine new names? If so, inform me, I will supply many new names for free.

 

I want that the creators of new groups should clearly spell their agenda.

 

 

---

From: VijayBahadur Singh <vijaybahadur@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 6 November, 2010 5:47:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Natgrid will kick in from May 2011. Is the big brother threat for real?

Imposter,

 

By posting such clippings by copying from various websites avaiable on net you are trying to convince the members by using the names of Vishal Kudchadkar or PMK1504, you are trying to fool members that yours is real group. The fact is that you are you are one of the biggest fool and liar on the earth.  

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:19 PM, vishalkudchadkar <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne131110Natgrid_will.asp

A terrorist has been arrested in Kashmir's Anantnag district. During
interrogation, he reveals that two of his fellow operatives are from
Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu. As of now, the procedure is that the
interrogator would write a report to be perused by his senior
officers. If and when they read it, the information will then be
forwarded to their counterparts in the relevant states, who will
forward it to the district superintendent of police. This winding
process often takes a month.

But from May 2011, there will be major changes in the way such data is
handled across India. With the National Intelligence Grid (Natgrid) in
place, the interrogator will immediately feed the data into the
Natgrid and the Coimbatore Police will get instant updates. They can
not only mail back specific questions to the interrogators, but also,
if required, send someone to join the investigation right away. All
thanks to Natgrid.

Natgrid, the brainchild of Home Minister P Chidambaram, is based on
the US model. It will integrate the existing 21 databases with Central
and state government agencies and other organisations in the public
and private sector such as banks, insurance companies, stock
exchanges, airlines, railways, telecom service providers, chemical
vendors, etc.

Eleven government agencies (including RAW, Intelligence Bureau,
Revenue Intelligence, Income Tax, etc.) will be able to access
sensitive personal information of any individual — such as bank
accounts, insurance policies, property owned or rented, travel, income
tax returns, driving records, automobiles owned or leased, credit card
transactions, stock market trades, phone calls, emails and SMSes,
websites visited, etc. A national population registry will be
established by the 2011 Census, during which fingerprints and iris
scans would be taken along with GPS records of each household.

Once the Natgrid is in place, security agencies will need to just feed
your name into the system and all information about you will be
available at the click of a button. Apart from this, important
information that every police or intelligence agency receives will
also be fed to the grid, thereby enabling the agencies to coordinate
their strategy.

According to the home ministry, the Central intelligence agencies and
state police have plenty of information that is not shared or because
there is no umbrella organisation to collate all the information,
which any or all the agencies can share to generate real-time
intelligence. The Natgrid enables quick extraction of information,
data mining, pattern recognition and flagging 'tripwires' of
suspicious or unusual activities.

With a budget of Rs. 2,800 crore and a staff of 300, the Natgrid is
headed by Raghu Raman, an ex-serviceman who previously headed the
Mahindra Special Service Groups, a leading player in risk and
governance consulting.
Natgrid will integrate existing 21 databases with Central and state
government agencies and other organisations

BUT WILL the Natgrid really improve our national security? Or will it
merely duplicate the existing intelligence mechanism? "Natgrid is all
about instant communication," says former Intelligence Bureau director
Ajit Doval. "It will help in dissemination of data — everybody will be
in the loop. It will function like a power grid, where every state
shares power stored in it. A major hurdle in the fight against
terrorism is that many intelligence agencies are wary about sharing
information with each other. In the US, the CIA does not talk to the
FBI, which keeps the NSA at bay. In the UK, the MI5, MI6 and
Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) are known to have turf
battles. In India, the RAW regards the IB and MEA as more of an enemy
than it does the ISI."

"The success of the GCHQ and MI5 in identifying militants in Pakistan
by matching voice samples from phone conversations intercepted between
Pakistan and UK, and comparing them with a database of voice prints of
suspects, underscores the need for Natgrid," says Ravi Visvesvaraya,
head of C4ISRT (Command, Control, Communications and Computers
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Targeting), a defence
think tank. "India has had a Joint Intelligence Committee to
coordinate between intelligence agencies, but its functioning has been
stymied by the very agencies it was supposed to integrate."

Training of end-users is also important. "If you want Natgrid to be
effective, you have to open it to the last operating level, that is
your sub-inspector," says Doval. "The problem will be that most of
them are semi-literate and not well versed with computers. So, the
chances are that they feed so many things that contaminated data will
finish off the good data. To save it, you will need to have trained
people all over the country so that they don't fill the grid with
trash."

What also worries the home ministry is the security of the system and
its potential misuse. "A stringent system for verification should be
in place," says Doval. "If there is a mole, then terrorists or hackers
will be able to download data. Imagine the kind of catastrophic
scenario that will create. So, it will be a challenge to look after
the security of the system."
'In conjunction with the UID scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion
of privacy,' says C4IRST head Ravi Visvesvaraya

Some are worried about privacy issues. "In conjunction with the UID
scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion of privacy, and personal data
will be extremely vulnerable to exploitation by criminals," says
Visvesvaraya. "Due to the terror threat, there has been a trend in the
judiciary and legislature to make surveillance easier and curtail
privacy rights."

Today, a citizen has absolutely no legal protection against government
surveillance. Though the Supreme Court had ruled against arbitrary
surveillance on a petition filed by the People's Union for Civil
Liberties in 1996, it was overturned by Parliament with the passage of
the Information Technology (Amendment) Act 2008. It is noteworthy that
no political party raised objections when the government passed this
Act, which removed certain safeguards regarding surveillance.

"The assertions that the Natgrid will have mechanisms to prevent
leakage and that it will access only abstracted and approved subsets
of information cannot be relied upon," warns Visvesvaraya.

Indeed, in a pending case about invasion of privacy, the Delhi High
Court observed: "We have no clear definition of what is meant by
'invasion of privacy' within the RTI Act." Indeed, we have no
equivalent of the UK's Data Protection Act, 1998, Section 2 (Sensitive
Personal Data), which reads as follows:

In this Act, "sensitive personal data" means information such as:
• The racial or ethnic origin of the subject
• His/her political opinions
• His/her religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature
• Whether he/she is a member of a trade union
• His/her physical or mental health condition
• His/her sexual life
• The commission or alleged commission by him/her of any offence
• Any proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been
committed by him/her, the disposal of such proceedings or the court
sentencing.

"Natgrid is an important step, but there are various handicaps," says
a home ministry official. "To ensure that the data does not fall into
the wrong hands or is not abused will be a Herculean task the
promoters will face."

Re: [HumJanenge] Natgrid will kick in from May 2011. Is the big brother threat for real?

Imposter,

 

By posting such clippings by copying from various websites avaiable on net you are trying to convince the members by using the names of Vishal Kudchadkar or PMK1504, you are trying to fool members that yours is real group. The fact is that you are you are one of the biggest fool and liar on the earth.  

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:19 PM, vishalkudchadkar <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne131110Natgrid_will.asp

A terrorist has been arrested in Kashmir's Anantnag district. During
interrogation, he reveals that two of his fellow operatives are from
Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu. As of now, the procedure is that the
interrogator would write a report to be perused by his senior
officers. If and when they read it, the information will then be
forwarded to their counterparts in the relevant states, who will
forward it to the district superintendent of police. This winding
process often takes a month.

But from May 2011, there will be major changes in the way such data is
handled across India. With the National Intelligence Grid (Natgrid) in
place, the interrogator will immediately feed the data into the
Natgrid and the Coimbatore Police will get instant updates. They can
not only mail back specific questions to the interrogators, but also,
if required, send someone to join the investigation right away. All
thanks to Natgrid.

Natgrid, the brainchild of Home Minister P Chidambaram, is based on
the US model. It will integrate the existing 21 databases with Central
and state government agencies and other organisations in the public
and private sector such as banks, insurance companies, stock
exchanges, airlines, railways, telecom service providers, chemical
vendors, etc.

Eleven government agencies (including RAW, Intelligence Bureau,
Revenue Intelligence, Income Tax, etc.) will be able to access
sensitive personal information of any individual — such as bank
accounts, insurance policies, property owned or rented, travel, income
tax returns, driving records, automobiles owned or leased, credit card
transactions, stock market trades, phone calls, emails and SMSes,
websites visited, etc. A national population registry will be
established by the 2011 Census, during which fingerprints and iris
scans would be taken along with GPS records of each household.

Once the Natgrid is in place, security agencies will need to just feed
your name into the system and all information about you will be
available at the click of a button. Apart from this, important
information that every police or intelligence agency receives will
also be fed to the grid, thereby enabling the agencies to coordinate
their strategy.

According to the home ministry, the Central intelligence agencies and
state police have plenty of information that is not shared or because
there is no umbrella organisation to collate all the information,
which any or all the agencies can share to generate real-time
intelligence. The Natgrid enables quick extraction of information,
data mining, pattern recognition and flagging 'tripwires' of
suspicious or unusual activities.

With a budget of Rs. 2,800 crore and a staff of 300, the Natgrid is
headed by Raghu Raman, an ex-serviceman who previously headed the
Mahindra Special Service Groups, a leading player in risk and
governance consulting.
Natgrid will integrate existing 21 databases with Central and state
government agencies and other organisations

BUT WILL the Natgrid really improve our national security? Or will it
merely duplicate the existing intelligence mechanism? "Natgrid is all
about instant communication," says former Intelligence Bureau director
Ajit Doval. "It will help in dissemination of data — everybody will be
in the loop. It will function like a power grid, where every state
shares power stored in it. A major hurdle in the fight against
terrorism is that many intelligence agencies are wary about sharing
information with each other. In the US, the CIA does not talk to the
FBI, which keeps the NSA at bay. In the UK, the MI5, MI6 and
Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) are known to have turf
battles. In India, the RAW regards the IB and MEA as more of an enemy
than it does the ISI."

"The success of the GCHQ and MI5 in identifying militants in Pakistan
by matching voice samples from phone conversations intercepted between
Pakistan and UK, and comparing them with a database of voice prints of
suspects, underscores the need for Natgrid," says Ravi Visvesvaraya,
head of C4ISRT (Command, Control, Communications and Computers
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Targeting), a defence
think tank. "India has had a Joint Intelligence Committee to
coordinate between intelligence agencies, but its functioning has been
stymied by the very agencies it was supposed to integrate."

Training of end-users is also important. "If you want Natgrid to be
effective, you have to open it to the last operating level, that is
your sub-inspector," says Doval. "The problem will be that most of
them are semi-literate and not well versed with computers. So, the
chances are that they feed so many things that contaminated data will
finish off the good data. To save it, you will need to have trained
people all over the country so that they don't fill the grid with
trash."

What also worries the home ministry is the security of the system and
its potential misuse. "A stringent system for verification should be
in place," says Doval. "If there is a mole, then terrorists or hackers
will be able to download data. Imagine the kind of catastrophic
scenario that will create. So, it will be a challenge to look after
the security of the system."
'In conjunction with the UID scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion
of privacy,' says C4IRST head Ravi Visvesvaraya

Some are worried about privacy issues. "In conjunction with the UID
scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion of privacy, and personal data
will be extremely vulnerable to exploitation by criminals," says
Visvesvaraya. "Due to the terror threat, there has been a trend in the
judiciary and legislature to make surveillance easier and curtail
privacy rights."

Today, a citizen has absolutely no legal protection against government
surveillance. Though the Supreme Court had ruled against arbitrary
surveillance on a petition filed by the People's Union for Civil
Liberties in 1996, it was overturned by Parliament with the passage of
the Information Technology (Amendment) Act 2008. It is noteworthy that
no political party raised objections when the government passed this
Act, which removed certain safeguards regarding surveillance.

"The assertions that the Natgrid will have mechanisms to prevent
leakage and that it will access only abstracted and approved subsets
of information cannot be relied upon," warns Visvesvaraya.

Indeed, in a pending case about invasion of privacy, the Delhi High
Court observed: "We have no clear definition of what is meant by
'invasion of privacy' within the RTI Act." Indeed, we have no
equivalent of the UK's Data Protection Act, 1998, Section 2 (Sensitive
Personal Data), which reads as follows:

In this Act, "sensitive personal data" means information such as:
• The racial or ethnic origin of the subject
• His/her political opinions
• His/her religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature
• Whether he/she is a member of a trade union
• His/her physical or mental health condition
• His/her sexual life
• The commission or alleged commission by him/her of any offence
• Any proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been
committed by him/her, the disposal of such proceedings or the court
sentencing.

"Natgrid is an important step, but there are various handicaps," says
a home ministry official. "To ensure that the data does not fall into
the wrong hands or is not abused will be a Herculean task the
promoters will face."

[HumJanenge] Natgrid will kick in from May 2011. Is the big brother threat for real?

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne131110Natgrid_will.asp

A terrorist has been arrested in Kashmir's Anantnag district. During
interrogation, he reveals that two of his fellow operatives are from
Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu. As of now, the procedure is that the
interrogator would write a report to be perused by his senior
officers. If and when they read it, the information will then be
forwarded to their counterparts in the relevant states, who will
forward it to the district superintendent of police. This winding
process often takes a month.

But from May 2011, there will be major changes in the way such data is
handled across India. With the National Intelligence Grid (Natgrid) in
place, the interrogator will immediately feed the data into the
Natgrid and the Coimbatore Police will get instant updates. They can
not only mail back specific questions to the interrogators, but also,
if required, send someone to join the investigation right away. All
thanks to Natgrid.

Natgrid, the brainchild of Home Minister P Chidambaram, is based on
the US model. It will integrate the existing 21 databases with Central
and state government agencies and other organisations in the public
and private sector such as banks, insurance companies, stock
exchanges, airlines, railways, telecom service providers, chemical
vendors, etc.

Eleven government agencies (including RAW, Intelligence Bureau,
Revenue Intelligence, Income Tax, etc.) will be able to access
sensitive personal information of any individual — such as bank
accounts, insurance policies, property owned or rented, travel, income
tax returns, driving records, automobiles owned or leased, credit card
transactions, stock market trades, phone calls, emails and SMSes,
websites visited, etc. A national population registry will be
established by the 2011 Census, during which fingerprints and iris
scans would be taken along with GPS records of each household.

Once the Natgrid is in place, security agencies will need to just feed
your name into the system and all information about you will be
available at the click of a button. Apart from this, important
information that every police or intelligence agency receives will
also be fed to the grid, thereby enabling the agencies to coordinate
their strategy.

According to the home ministry, the Central intelligence agencies and
state police have plenty of information that is not shared or because
there is no umbrella organisation to collate all the information,
which any or all the agencies can share to generate real-time
intelligence. The Natgrid enables quick extraction of information,
data mining, pattern recognition and flagging 'tripwires' of
suspicious or unusual activities.

With a budget of Rs. 2,800 crore and a staff of 300, the Natgrid is
headed by Raghu Raman, an ex-serviceman who previously headed the
Mahindra Special Service Groups, a leading player in risk and
governance consulting.
Natgrid will integrate existing 21 databases with Central and state
government agencies and other organisations

BUT WILL the Natgrid really improve our national security? Or will it
merely duplicate the existing intelligence mechanism? "Natgrid is all
about instant communication," says former Intelligence Bureau director
Ajit Doval. "It will help in dissemination of data — everybody will be
in the loop. It will function like a power grid, where every state
shares power stored in it. A major hurdle in the fight against
terrorism is that many intelligence agencies are wary about sharing
information with each other. In the US, the CIA does not talk to the
FBI, which keeps the NSA at bay. In the UK, the MI5, MI6 and
Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) are known to have turf
battles. In India, the RAW regards the IB and MEA as more of an enemy
than it does the ISI."

"The success of the GCHQ and MI5 in identifying militants in Pakistan
by matching voice samples from phone conversations intercepted between
Pakistan and UK, and comparing them with a database of voice prints of
suspects, underscores the need for Natgrid," says Ravi Visvesvaraya,
head of C4ISRT (Command, Control, Communications and Computers
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Targeting), a defence
think tank. "India has had a Joint Intelligence Committee to
coordinate between intelligence agencies, but its functioning has been
stymied by the very agencies it was supposed to integrate."

Training of end-users is also important. "If you want Natgrid to be
effective, you have to open it to the last operating level, that is
your sub-inspector," says Doval. "The problem will be that most of
them are semi-literate and not well versed with computers. So, the
chances are that they feed so many things that contaminated data will
finish off the good data. To save it, you will need to have trained
people all over the country so that they don't fill the grid with
trash."

What also worries the home ministry is the security of the system and
its potential misuse. "A stringent system for verification should be
in place," says Doval. "If there is a mole, then terrorists or hackers
will be able to download data. Imagine the kind of catastrophic
scenario that will create. So, it will be a challenge to look after
the security of the system."
'In conjunction with the UID scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion
of privacy,' says C4IRST head Ravi Visvesvaraya

Some are worried about privacy issues. "In conjunction with the UID
scheme, Natgrid will result in invasion of privacy, and personal data
will be extremely vulnerable to exploitation by criminals," says
Visvesvaraya. "Due to the terror threat, there has been a trend in the
judiciary and legislature to make surveillance easier and curtail
privacy rights."

Today, a citizen has absolutely no legal protection against government
surveillance. Though the Supreme Court had ruled against arbitrary
surveillance on a petition filed by the People's Union for Civil
Liberties in 1996, it was overturned by Parliament with the passage of
the Information Technology (Amendment) Act 2008. It is noteworthy that
no political party raised objections when the government passed this
Act, which removed certain safeguards regarding surveillance.

"The assertions that the Natgrid will have mechanisms to prevent
leakage and that it will access only abstracted and approved subsets
of information cannot be relied upon," warns Visvesvaraya.

Indeed, in a pending case about invasion of privacy, the Delhi High
Court observed: "We have no clear definition of what is meant by
'invasion of privacy' within the RTI Act." Indeed, we have no
equivalent of the UK's Data Protection Act, 1998, Section 2 (Sensitive
Personal Data), which reads as follows:

In this Act, "sensitive personal data" means information such as:
• The racial or ethnic origin of the subject
• His/her political opinions
• His/her religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature
• Whether he/she is a member of a trade union
• His/her physical or mental health condition
• His/her sexual life
• The commission or alleged commission by him/her of any offence
• Any proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been
committed by him/her, the disposal of such proceedings or the court
sentencing.

"Natgrid is an important step, but there are various handicaps," says
a home ministry official. "To ensure that the data does not fall into
the wrong hands or is not abused will be a Herculean task the
promoters will face."

Re: [HumJanenge] EU pushes for "right to be forgotten" on social media

You are son of bitch and not Vishal. If you have courahe then post this message in the group.

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM, vishalkudchadkar <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/205340/eu-pushes-for-right-to-be-forgotten-on-social-media

The European Union (EU) is pushing to legalize peoples' individual
right to delete all information about themselves online, the UK's The
Daily Telegraph said on Saturday.

"Internet users must have effective control of what they put online
and be able to correct, withdraw or delete it at will. What happens if
you want to permanently delete your profile on a social networking
site? Can this be done easily? The right to be forgotten is essential
in today's digital world," EU rights commissioner Viviane Reding told
the newspaper.

Although various online services and social networking sites allow you
to delete your profile, there is as yet no simple way to remove
personal information that has spread through the Internet.

This move by the EU sets a precedent for online companies, many of
which —including Facebook and Google— are already embattled in privacy
and anti-trust issues.

It remains to be seen if other countries will follow suit.

The move by the EU sets an interesting precedent for countries like
the Philippines, where social media are utilized heavily by the public
as well as the private sector.

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer

Owner / Moderator/ Fraud / Faker (whosoever you are)   You have added this ID also in your fake group. Keep on adding whatever ID you have in your fake group. This shows how you are real Harami having no guts to face people in open.        --- On Sat, 6/11/10, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com> wrote: From: irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 6 November, 2010, 3:58 PM Urvashi ji . supreme court is justifying live-in-relationships ( women living with men without marriage )and supreme court is justifying same sex marriage .   if supreme court is justifying such illegal and criminal relationships then why supreme courts cant justify a duely married women as WIFE . ( Hema's case )   urvashiji   basically i was replying to Mr sharma who said raping kashmiri girls is justified. He went on to say muslims cant satisfy 4 wives so it is justified that army MUST rape kashmiri women .   we all must condem sharma for his uncivilised comments on kashmiri girls.   urvashi do u condem????? On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote: I agree with Khemani sahab.In fact,my mailbox is flooded with these mails.I am on the rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com and am happy with that.Incidentally,Mr Khan,the law applicable in Dharmendra's case is the Hindu law and it is uneqivocal in its position.There is a Supreme Court judgement on this,as I understand it. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM ALL GROUPS OTHER THAN rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com  I fail to understand why there s no unity though.It probably requires the cause being put above individual egos. Regards, Urvi From: Bimal Khemani Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:18 PM To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer   I WOULD REQUEST THE MODERATOR OF THIS GROUP TO STOP SUCH ABUSIVE ARTICLES AND LETTERS BIMAL KUMAR KHEMANI, TRAP group of RTI activists  ALIGARH (U.P.)  Mob:09359724625 ****************************************** Officially Certified A Grade by DoPT ***************************************** On 6 November 2010 12:09, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com> wrote: Dear sharma .   this shows how uneducated and un civilised you are .   I pray to Allah that he may send indian army to your area and let the army rape your wife and daughters . I am praying this because you do not have any objection to this .     as far as 4 wifes of muslims is concerned .Just read following.     Hema malini is second wife of Dharmendra . If you follow Hindu marriage act Hema cannot be "Wife " since Hindu marriage act do not allow second wife .   this means Hema is Rakhel" of Dharmendra and Isha Deol is his "Bastard child "   However if u follow Islamic law . Hema malini is legal WIFE and Ish Deol is his legal daughter .   Islam is giving status of WIFE to hema wheras Hindu law is giving her status of RAKHEL . now tell me which law is giving hema respect ?????   Islam permits more than one wife to stop extra marital affairs . Extra marital affairs give status of RAKHEL to women . islam say . if you love her , marry her and give full honour and status . Dont treat her like RAKHEL.     On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: You are talking like wazahat sahib. approach you are suggesting has not worked for over 60 yaers. India must pull out its troops to jammu, use neutron bomb and solve problem finally. Kashmiri youth are asking to be killed, why are they throwing stones and bombs. Rape is effective mean for army to control and dominate. Indian soldiers spend many months away from wive and family. since no local brothels and too many rti queries then raping local girls is best low cost solution Also it is scientific fact that 1 muslim man cannot satisfy 4 wives so where is harm if Indian army helps local poplation. S D Sharma On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote: The easiest way to solve kashmir problem is to WIN OVER the hearts and minds of the kashmiris ..   this cannot be done through raping kashmiri gilrs and killing kashmiri youth.The history is evident that we failed to win kashmir through raping and killing .   now lets try to win over kashmir through attemps made to win over hearts and minds of kashmiris.         On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Mr You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion. ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem S D Sharma On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com> wrote:   Friends, My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc. There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here. http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1 As an alternative link- http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml Amitabh Thakur IPS, Currently at IIM Lucknow # 94155-34526