Re: [IAC#RG] NEED FOR ETHICS AND PROBITY IN PUBLIC LIFE

Such vital issue finger points directly to Modi administration. It is self-explanatory but many Indians, especially Hindus among them, will support half-heartedly. The reason is simple and well tested. Most Hindus in India, start looking "Avtar figure" in people like Modi, just like they were finding Durga in Indira & savior of India in Sonia,etc.

Patriots of India, have been dealing with "educated Hindu idiots" who changes their stand like lizard does for prey. Not having clear conscience how Gandhi-Nehru destroyed our land of Vedic culture and it's time tested traditions, these well educated Hindu idiots have been ruining even slightest chance for average Hindu being united. Every time, you, me & handful of others, will point out against filthy policies of government, they immediately warn us. In their mind "time is not right", "muslims will revolt in massacre", "no wrong in Indian constitution", and recently they have started broadcasting "Modi is the only savior" hence don't say one word against him or his administration.

KA

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Diktat of Ruling Party prevails upon ECI for sure, though it is amongst, it's vital functions, an Independent Constitutional Body with CEC + ECs having similar Powers, salaries & perks like Judges.

Persons who steer this Body look for favors & posts post retirement & this allurement continues to lower it's eminence & status.

Indian Democracy is in the midst of similar like erosions being made in our Judiciary - where will our Generations following find Public Figures of outstanding Ethics & Morality, today worries Elders;

therefore, writings herein deserve Greatest Priority & all our attention needs to Focus & ensure Decriminalization in Politics.

Writings of Albert Camus were recommended 50 years ago & totally agree it is rightful to stay clear as written herein "A man without ethics is a wild beast loosed upon this world"- Far too many reaching

print media & daily in TV channels presently.

Kudos to all herein who have written & take forward this crucial Topic.

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On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Radha Krishnan RN <rnrkrish@gmail.com> wrote:

There cannot be two opinions on the issue of ethics, be it for a public figure or a secluded one. Lack of ethics in anyone is like a germ that can cause harm to the society at some time or other. The deterioration of democracy world over and in India in particular is attributable to the erosion of the value for ethics in individual, common or a celebrity.

The issue is how and why the deterioration set in and how and if the deterioration can be reversed.

Regards RN Radhakrishnan

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Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh. Venkaiah Naidu?

There is a great deal of misinformation about Vande Mataram, so I would not like to add to it in this thread.

However, it is clear to anybody who reads AnandMath, that Vande Mataram is a reference to Goddess Shakti (Durga/Kali) (Part One Chapter XI) and 'Hail Mother' an invocation to take up arms to kill Muslims "root and branch" because they are enemies of God (Part 2 Chapter IV) so that English rule can result (Part Four Chapter VIII).

Instead here are 3 Youtube links

1)  Bengali (original) version of Jana Gana Mana (complete) (artiste Swagatalakshmi Dasgupta).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGR9n_2Mhc0

2) Highly cinematised version of Vande Mataram (artiste Sangeet Katti) with subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tyfqi81J2o

3) Authentic music of Jana Gana Mana as orginally composed by nieces of Rabindranath Tagore. Performed by the National Centre for Performing Art's symphony orchestra (all foreigners).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei5ZZJDz_Ug

I leave it to the members to decide which song / version is the most patriotic / stirring.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

To Sarbajit:
Could you please put the full text of Vande Mataram onto this site for everyone's edification as to its original object of salutation, purpose and both historical and textual context?

Joya Roy

Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

Dear Major Upadhyaya

The basic issue is that in Mar 2017 the BJP mayor of Meerut started a practice of singing Vande Mataram before Meerut Municipal Board meetings.  As a result 7 Muslim members refused and walked out while it was played. Harikant Ahluwalia the then BJP mayor of Meerut refused to let them back in with taunts made to these councillors like "Sing Vande Mataram or Quit India". He proposed that membershp of those who refused to sing Vande Mataram be terminated.

As a result the BJP lost in Meerut and the new BSP mayor promptly reversed the BJP's orders of singing Vande Mataram.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/days-after-taking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bsp-mayor-overturns-compulsory-vande-mataram-in-civic-body-meetings/articleshow/61935930.cms

It is clear, at least to the people of Meerut, that BJP's actions were illegal, political and communal and they elected a BSP municipal board.

Faced with this public slap by a lesser elected representative, Naidu reverted to his political animal self and made that outrageous statement designed to imply that Indian Muslims who refuse to sing Vande Mataram are anti-national. Who was Naidu referring to when he said "If not the mother, who would you salute, Afzal Guru," if not to Indian Muslims ?

Needless to say our (dis)honourably still political Vice President made this statement against a backdrop of some calendar art image of a so-called Bharat Mata holding an RSS dhwaja in her hand.


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Leaving aside the propriety of Mr Naidu making televised statements from a private RSS function with such a backdrop, I fault Mr. Naidu for not knowing enough Bengali to know from Bankim's AnandMath that Bharat Mata has 10 limbs and not 2.

The actions of the BJP in Meerut were clearly illegal. Nobody can be forced to sing either the national anthem or the so-called national song. There is no law which makes singing of any song compulsory. Thiat such compulsory singing is unconstitutional is already decided by SC in the Jehovah Witness students case.

Similarly, there is no law which makes singing praise of worshipping idols and images (especially in temples) compulsory. Nobody can deny that the worship of idols of Hindu goddess originating from modern Bangladesh in Hindu temples is specifically praised in the later verses of Vande Mataram.

हृदये तुमि मा भक्ति,
तोमारई प्रतिमा गडी मन्दिरे-मन्दिरे।

त्वम् हि दुर्गा दशप्रहरणधारिणी
कमला कमलदलविहारिणी
वाणी विद्यादायिनी,

Mr. Naidu has greatly disrespected his Vice Presidential office by indulging in cheap politics unbecoming of his Constitutional post. This is what happens when party hacks are rewarded with such retirement postings at public expense..

Sarbajit Roy

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Major upadhyay <majupadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:

I am amazed at the intellectual arrogance of some of the honourable and learned members who have resorted to question the integrity, patriotism or knowledge of the honourable vice president or a small person like me.

We have the space in our democracy to question the issues, policies and programmes of the governments at various levels. Being personal may be avoided. Questioning ideology may invite fierce backlash.

I am aware of the history of Vande Matram. The whole song is not sung at public platform. It was being sung in its truncated form at Meerut municipality till recently. Was it unconstitutional? Who says and on what basis? What is the law laid down by the apex court on this issue ? What happens in parliament ?

Who does not know that VP Naidu was a BJP man? What part of his speech is unlawful and under what provisions of the law ? 

Gentleme, please answer the basic question and stick to the issue, is my request and humble prayer.

On 11 Dec 2017 8:38 am, "Baby Varkey" <babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com> wrote:

To all my Sanghi friends

The newspapers and TV reports and Naidu's own words at a RSS affiliate conference are quite clear.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/venkaiah-naidu-on-vande-mataram-row-if-not-mother-will-you-salute-afzal-guru/videoshow/61981258.cms

These kind of rash political statements from a Constitutional functionary are all manifestations of a fascist and communal bankrupt ideology which proclaims that the "saffron is India's national flag and Vande Mataram is India's true anthem - Bhayyaji Joshi, Sarkaryavah of RSS",

What is this nonsense being spouted by Vankaiah Naidu that Vande Mataram only means "maa tuzhe salam" ie. saluting the motherland? It is nothing of the sort.

The historical fact is that British rulers were trying to impose their "God Save the Queen" as India's national anthem and demanding that Indians be forced to sing it. The collaborationist RSS leadership (all loyal worshippers of Queen Mother who never wanted India's independence) foresaw that the Indian people would never bow to foreign Queen Mother instead suggested to their British masters that Vande Mataram should be made national anthem so that Indians would be saluting the British Mother Empress indirectly.

Naidu's comments show even after 70 years of independence Sanghis still want foreign rule of India.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Sudhir Srinivasan <arsudhirkumar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Paki's,

Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh. Venkaiah Naidu?

11/12

Do you really feel we the people of India are masters and and Govt. including the Vice President are to serve the people even after Aadhar has been made compulsory inspite of the Sc repeated assertions to the contrary. Through this the Govt. conrols you not the vice a versa. Your money through bank accounts,your communications through mobile and your birth and death and marriage are all controlled. You have n right of privacy and you can be picked by Govt. agencies any time anywhere.

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Dear Major Upadhyaya

Firstly, Each and every public servant is accountable to their masters - We the people of India, and Vice President is no exception.

Secondly, if the newspaper report in Times of India is correct then the Vice President is opposed to the singing of the National Anthem Jana Gana Mana and he must certainly explain why.

Thirdly, Bande Mataram is not the national song and it was never the national song of India. The first 2 verses were adopted as a song of the Congress party in 1937 only after Subhas Bose and others of the garam dal walked out. It is very well known to all true patriots, and I hope you don't deny it, that the slogan Bande Mataram (the slogan of the violent struggle against the 1905 partition of Bengal) was actually stolen/misappropriated for satyagraha by the foreign sponsored naram dal of Congress party and promoted by Gandhi to turn us into a nation of non-violent sheep.

Fourthly, I am sure that you know that Bankim's poem Bande Mataram is a deeply patriotic, complex and moving poem deeply cherished by all true patriots and can only be understood and acted upon by "Sanyasis" who are least concerned by this material world and are prepared to face death with the cry of Bande Matarm on their lips. It is therefore a criminal waste of this divine hymn to expose the common sheep-like satyagrahist people of Bharat to such a powerful work unless they are prepared and composed for revolution.

Fifthy, and I say this with great humility, only scholarly Bengali Brahmin patriots can fully understand the history of Jana Gana Mana and Bande Mataram which have been perverted and distorted by outsiders to suit foreign interests inimical to Bengal who want to keep the Bengali people divided.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Major upadhyay <majupadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:

Why should any one explain to you the conduct of the Honourable Vice President of India ? In what way is he answerable to you for his speeches?

The Mayor of Meerut has stopped the singing of national song Vande Mataram and restored the singing of national anthem Jana Gana Mana...

Nothing wrong with that as per business rules of the local body. Both the national anthem and national song are sung in parliament of India every day of the session.

Thus it becomes a political issue. 

If the Indian V.P. comments on any issue. His views need to be respected. Agreeing or disagreeing with his views is your prerogative, Sir ji.

On 9 Dec 2017 15:33, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/vande-mataram-row-debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-president-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india/no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-gana-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp-s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/days-after-taking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bsp-mayor-overturns-compulsory-vande-mataram-in-civic-body-meetings/articleshow/61935930.cms

Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh. Venkaiah Naidu?

To Sarbajit:
Could you please put the full text of Vande Mataram onto this site for everyone's edification as to its original object of salutation, purpose and both historical and textual context?

Joya Roy

On 9 Dec 2017 3:36 p.m., "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/vande-mataram-row-debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-president-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india/no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-gana-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp-s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/days-after-taking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bsp-mayor-overturns-compulsory-vande-mataram-in-civic-body-meetings/articleshow/61935930.cms

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Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

I am amazed at the intellectual arrogance of some of the honourable and learned members who have resorted to question the integrity, patriotism or knowledge of the honourable vice president or a small person like me.

We have the space in our democracy to question the issues, policies and programmes of the governments at various levels. Being personal may be avoided. Questioning ideology may invite fierce backlash.

I am aware of the history of Vande Matram. The whole song is not sung at public platform. It was being sung in its truncated form at Meerut municipality till recently. Was it unconstitutional? Who says and on what basis? What is the law laid down by the apex court on this issue ? What happens in parliament ?

Who does not know that VP Naidu was a BJP man? What part of his speech is unlawful and under what provisions of the law ? 

Gentleme, please answer the basic question and stick to the issue, is my request and humble prayer.

On 11 Dec 2017 8:38 am, "Baby Varkey" <babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com> wrote:

To all my Sanghi friends

The newspapers and TV reports and Naidu's own words at a RSS affiliate conference are quite clear.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/venkaiah-naidu-on-vande-mataram-row-if-not-mother-will-you-salute-afzal-guru/videoshow/61981258.cms

These kind of rash political statements from a Constitutional functionary are all manifestations of a fascist and communal bankrupt ideology which proclaims that the "saffron is India's national flag and Vande Mataram is India's true anthem - Bhayyaji Joshi, Sarkaryavah of RSS",

What is this nonsense being spouted by Vankaiah Naidu that Vande Mataram only means "maa tuzhe salam" ie. saluting the motherland? It is nothing of the sort.

The historical fact is that British rulers were trying to impose their "God Save the Queen" as India's national anthem and demanding that Indians be forced to sing it. The collaborationist RSS leadership (all loyal worshippers of Queen Mother who never wanted India's independence) foresaw that the Indian people would never bow to foreign Queen Mother instead suggested to their British masters that Vande Mataram should be made national anthem so that Indians would be saluting the British Mother Empress indirectly.

Naidu's comments show even after 70 years of independence Sanghis still want foreign rule of India.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Sudhir Srinivasan <arsudhirkumar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Paki's,

 

Vice President Shri.Venkaiah Naidu – Never said Stop / not to singing national Anthem

VP – only questioned Paki lovers, what problem Congress / BSP / Muslims have in saying Vande Mataram

VP – said Vande Mataram meaning – saluting the motherland.

 

Congress and Dr Zakir Hussain followers with low IQ have totally missed the point.

 

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The discussion is very intellectual one. But for my friends these days even pointing out the mistakes or dirty mindset of BJP is antinational acts and all of the government employees are afraid of to say anything about their misdeeds. So to survive in these days of dictatorship, better to say only Jai ho modi, even if you do feel like from your heart.

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Re: [IAC#RG] NEED FOR ETHICS AND PROBITY IN PUBLIC LIFE

Diktat of Ruling Party prevails upon ECI for sure, though it is amongst, it's vital functions, an Independent Constitutional Body with CEC + ECs having similar Powers, salaries & perks like Judges.

Persons who steer this Body look for favors & posts post retirement & this allurement continues to lower it's eminence & status.

Indian Democracy is in the midst of similar like erosions being made in our Judiciary - where will our Generations following find Public Figures of outstanding Ethics & Morality, today worries Elders;

therefore, writings herein deserve Greatest Priority & all our attention needs to Focus & ensure Decriminalization in Politics.

Writings of Albert Camus were recommended 50 years ago & totally agree it is rightful to stay clear as written herein "A man without ethics is a wild beast loosed upon this world"- Far too many reaching

print media & daily in TV channels presently.

Kudos to all herein who have written & take forward this crucial Topic.

nnfi ciri Civil Society posting promod chawla

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Radha Krishnan RN <rnrkrish@gmail.com> wrote:

There cannot be two opinions on the issue of ethics, be it for a public figure or a secluded one. Lack of ethics in anyone is like a germ that can cause harm to the society at some time or other. The deterioration of democracy world over and in India in particular is attributable to the erosion of the value for ethics in individual, common or a celebrity.

The issue is how and why the deterioration set in and how and if the deterioration can be reversed.

Regards RN Radhakrishnan

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