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On Dec 9, 2017 3:37 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/vande-mataram-row-debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-president-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india/no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-gana-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp-s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/meerut/days-after-taking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bsp-mayor-overturns-compulsory-vande-mataram-in-civic-body-meetings/articleshow/61935930.cms


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[IAC#RG] RSS govt in Maharasthra's 24,000 Cr loan waiver scandal

A closely-guarded document of the government accessed exclusively by Firstpost affords answers

" ... a dead giveaway that the government had ceded control over the list of beneficiaries to the banks and was releasing funds without being fully conversant with who it was going to .... "

Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

To all my Sanghi friends

The newspapers and TV reports and Naidu's own words at a RSS affiliate conference are quite clear.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/venkaiah-naidu-on-vande-mataram-row-if-not-mother-will-you-salute-afzal-guru/videoshow/61981258.cms

These kind of rash political statements from a Constitutional functionary are all manifestations of a fascist and communal bankrupt ideology which proclaims that the "saffron is India's national flag and Vande Mataram is India's true anthem - Bhayyaji Joshi, Sarkaryavah of RSS",

What is this nonsense being spouted by Vankaiah Naidu that Vande Mataram only means "maa tuzhe salam" ie. saluting the motherland? It is nothing of the sort.

The historical fact is that British rulers were trying to impose their "God Save the Queen" as India's national anthem and demanding that Indians be forced to sing it. The collaborationist RSS leadership (all loyal worshippers of Queen Mother who never wanted India's independence) foresaw that the Indian people would never bow to foreign Queen Mother instead suggested to their British masters that Vande Mataram should be made national anthem so that Indians would be saluting the British Mother Empress indirectly.

Naidu's comments show even after 70 years of independence Sanghis still want foreign rule of India.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Sudhir Srinivasan <arsudhirkumar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Paki's,

 

Vice President Shri.Venkaiah Naidu – Never said Stop / not to singing national Anthem

VP – only questioned Paki lovers, what problem Congress / BSP / Muslims have in saying Vande Mataram

VP – said Vande Mataram meaning – saluting the motherland.

 

Congress and Dr Zakir Hussain followers with low IQ have totally missed the point.

 

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From: Dr Sarman Singh
Sent: Sunday 10 December 2017 5:21 pm
To: MRCI - Ramesh Patil
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

 

The discussion is very intellectual one. But for my friends these days even pointing out the mistakes or dirty mindset of BJP is antinational acts and all of the government employees are afraid of to say anything about their misdeeds. So to survive in these days of dictatorship, better to say only Jai ho modi, even if you do feel like from your heart.


Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

Dear Mr. Architect

This is a serious non-political discussion mailing list for intellectuals of India Against Corruption, and you are insulting our membership by describing them as 'Pakis'.

If you are correct then you, and the Vice President, are insufficiently informed about the National Anthem.

Official orders and instructions of the Govt of India (on website of MHA) clearly indicate that it is the National Anthem, ie. JanGanMan, which is for respectful salutation of the motherland when acheieved by mass singing.

These official orders also indicate about the compulsory playing of the National Anthem  with the "National Salute" ie.the Command "Rashtriya  Salute – Salami Shastr".

Dr. Roy is correct that the Vande Mataram is neither the National Anthem nor the National Song and there are no orders of Govt of India to regulate the compulsory playing/singing of Vande Mataram and it's singing cannot be forced on the citizens.

So the "problem" many patriotic Indians have with the compulsory singing / utterance of the Vande Mataram is that it implies "bowing" to some mythical Mother Goddess and thereby disrespecting that one and only protector and unifying power of India who is praised in our National Anthem.

RP Dalvi

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Sudhir Srinivasan <arsudhirkumar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Paki's,

 

Vice President Shri.Venkaiah Naidu – Never said Stop / not to singing national Anthem

VP – only questioned Paki lovers, what problem Congress / BSP / Muslims have in saying Vande Mataram

VP – said Vande Mataram meaning – saluting the motherland.

 

Congress and Dr Zakir Hussain followers with low IQ have totally missed the point.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dr Sarman Singh
Sent: Sunday 10 December 2017 5:21 pm
To: MRCI - Ramesh Patil
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

 

The discussion is very intellectual one. But for my friends these days even pointing out the mistakes or dirty mindset of BJP is antinational acts and all of the government employees are afraid of to say anything about their misdeeds. So to survive in these days of dictatorship, better to say only Jai ho modi, even if you do feel like from your heart.


RE: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

Dear Paki's,

 

Vice President Shri.Venkaiah Naidu – Never said Stop / not to singing national Anthem

VP – only questioned Paki lovers, what problem Congress / BSP / Muslims have in saying Vande Mataram

VP – said Vande Mataram meaning – saluting the motherland.

 

Congress and Dr Zakir Hussain followers with low IQ have totally missed the point.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dr Sarman Singh
Sent: Sunday 10 December 2017 5:21 pm
To: MRCI - Ramesh Patil
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.VenkaiahNaidu?

 

The discussion is very intellectual one. But for my friends these days even pointing out the mistakes or dirty mindset of BJP is antinational acts and all of the government employees are afraid of to say anything about their misdeeds. So to survive in these days of dictatorship, better to say only Jai ho modi, even if you do feel like from your heart. 

 

On Dec 10, 2017 8:37 PM, "MRCI - Ramesh Patil" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

 Major Upadhya is seems to be internal promote -eg from NGO to Major -otherwise he would not displayed his ignorance Hon VP is still not out from his political mind set -Once he said Dynasty is very Tastey but Nasty too  Forgetting all major Political Parties suffer from this disease Strating from his state Chandrababu Naidu on wards

Looking back the galaxy of VPs -Dr S Radhakrishnan  Dr Zakir Hussain Dr S D Sharma  so on and so forth Hon VP still rolling in political ring 

Even President is accountable to public -what to talk of VP  Major refresh your knowledge and read Dr Ambedkar's monumental work called Indian Constitution


RAMESH PATIL


MRCI

 

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Good discussion here.
No one can doubt nationalist thinking of Bengali folk in the pre Independence times and post.
Without knowing much details abt the actual happenings in those times, one thinks that we shd give Jana Gana Mana due respect.
What one finds totally abhorrent is JNU type of Politics which is not 'free wheeling' but SELF SERVING to say the least.
I happened to be there for a while in the 80s and it's a picnic out there.
Studies shd be regulated and time bound.
This one says with respect to current times with World Economy looking towards India as a viable option.
I think its a opportunity of a life time and instead if getting diverted by our internal politics of Sibal ji and likes we shd look ahead.
The above is said in my capacity as a common man who has limited understanding of high politics.
Utmost Respect to all.

 

On 10 Dec 2017 07:40, "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

The need to 'respect' the views, however preposterous, of people in high elected office in India is what has made us into a nation of sheep, herded by rank opportunists, money making gnomes, liars and crooks.

In a democracy we have a right to criticize the speech and actions of so-called elected leaders. Does the good major not read how vehemently people all over the free and unfree world oppose ruling governments and their functionaries? Should a person who compared a prime minister to God not be seen as either very foolish or a sycophantic opportunist? 

It is true however that we are approaching a fascist totalitarian state where young people who critique or ridicule state figures and policies are arrested by cyber sleuths, the new Gestapo, causing them endless expense and. torment. And influential voices of rationalists, independent media persons, and common citizens are silenced by the hired gun.

With respect to the singing of the so-called national song, we must remember that it is a product of the Shakta culture of East Bengal, now Bangladesh, and addressed in its unexpurgated form to a Goddess  who may not be the deity respected by millions of our nation who have their own versions of what is god.

J. Roy

 

On 9 Dec 2017 10:58 p.m., "Major upadhyay" <majupadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:

Why should any one explain to you the conduct of the Honourable Vice President of India ? In what way is he answerable to you for his speeches?

 

The Mayor of Meerut has stopped the singing of national song Vande Mataram and restored the singing of national anthem Jana Gana Mana...

Nothing wrong with that as per business rules of the local body. Both the national anthem and national song are sung in parliament of India every day of the session.

 

Thus it becomes a political issue. 

 

If the Indian V.P. comments on any issue. His views need to be respected. Agreeing or disagreeing with his views is your prerogative, Sir ji.

 

 

 

On 9 Dec 2017 15:33, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/in dia/article/vande-mataram-row- debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-pre sident-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india /no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-ga na-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp -s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatime s.com/city/meerut/days-after-t aking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bs p-mayor-overturns-compulsory-v ande-mataram-in-civic-body-mee tings/articleshow/61935930.cms


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Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.Venkaiah Naidu?

The discussion is very intellectual one. But for my friends these days even pointing out the mistakes or dirty mindset of BJP is antinational acts and all of the government employees are afraid of to say anything about their misdeeds. So to survive in these days of dictatorship, better to say only Jai ho modi, even if you do feel like from your heart. 

On Dec 10, 2017 8:37 PM, "MRCI - Ramesh Patil" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
 Major Upadhya is seems to be internal promote -eg from NGO to Major -otherwise he would not displayed his ignorance Hon VP is still not out from his political mind set -Once he said Dynasty is very Tastey but Nasty too  Forgetting all major Political Parties suffer from this disease Strating from his state Chandrababu Naidu on wards
Looking back the galaxy of VPs -Dr S Radhakrishnan  Dr Zakir Hussain Dr S D Sharma  so on and so forth Hon VP still rolling in political ring 
Even President is accountable to public -what to talk of VP  Major refresh your knowledge and read Dr Ambedkar's monumental work called Indian Constitution

RAMESH PATIL


MRCI



On Sunday, 10 December 2017 3:53 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:


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Good discussion here.
No one can doubt nationalist thinking of Bengali folk in the pre Independence times and post.
Without knowing much details abt the actual happenings in those times, one thinks that we shd give Jana Gana Mana due respect.
What one finds totally abhorrent is JNU type of Politics which is not 'free wheeling' but SELF SERVING to say the least.
I happened to be there for a while in the 80s and it's a picnic out there.
Studies shd be regulated and time bound.
This one says with respect to current times with World Economy looking towards India as a viable option.
I think its a opportunity of a life time and instead if getting diverted by our internal politics of Sibal ji and likes we shd look ahead.
The above is said in my capacity as a common man who has limited understanding of high politics.
Utmost Respect to all.

On 10 Dec 2017 07:40, "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
The need to 'respect' the views, however preposterous, of people in high elected office in India is what has made us into a nation of sheep, herded by rank opportunists, money making gnomes, liars and crooks.
In a democracy we have a right to criticize the speech and actions of so-called elected leaders. Does the good major not read how vehemently people all over the free and unfree world oppose ruling governments and their functionaries? Should a person who compared a prime minister to God not be seen as either very foolish or a sycophantic opportunist? 
It is true however that we are approaching a fascist totalitarian state where young people who critique or ridicule state figures and policies are arrested by cyber sleuths, the new Gestapo, causing them endless expense and. torment. And influential voices of rationalists, independent media persons, and common citizens are silenced by the hired gun.
With respect to the singing of the so-called national song, we must remember that it is a product of the Shakta culture of East Bengal, now Bangladesh, and addressed in its unexpurgated form to a Goddess  who may not be the deity respected by millions of our nation who have their own versions of what is god.
J. Roy

On 9 Dec 2017 10:58 p.m., "Major upadhyay" <majupadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should any one explain to you the conduct of the Honourable Vice President of India ? In what way is he answerable to you for his speeches?

The Mayor of Meerut has stopped the singing of national song Vande Mataram and restored the singing of national anthem Jana Gana Mana...
Nothing wrong with that as per business rules of the local body. Both the national anthem and national song are sung in parliament of India every day of the session.

Thus it becomes a political issue. 

If the Indian V.P. comments on any issue. His views need to be respected. Agreeing or disagreeing with his views is your prerogative, Sir ji.



On 9 Dec 2017 15:33, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/in dia/article/vande-mataram-row- debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-pre sident-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india /no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-ga na-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp -s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatime s.com/city/meerut/days-after-t aking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bs p-mayor-overturns-compulsory-v ande-mataram-in-civic-body-mee tings/articleshow/61935930.cms


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Re: [IAC#RG] Bizarre anti-nationalism of Vice President Sh.Venkaiah Naidu?

 Major Upadhya is seems to be internal promote -eg from NGO to Major -otherwise he would not displayed his ignorance Hon VP is still not out from his political mind set -Once he said Dynasty is very Tastey but Nasty too  Forgetting all major Political Parties suffer from this disease Strating from his state Chandrababu Naidu on wards
Looking back the galaxy of VPs -Dr S Radhakrishnan  Dr Zakir Hussain Dr S D Sharma  so on and so forth Hon VP still rolling in political ring 
Even President is accountable to public -what to talk of VP  Major refresh your knowledge and read Dr Ambedkar's monumental work called Indian Constitution

RAMESH PATIL


MRCI



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Good discussion here.
No one can doubt nationalist thinking of Bengali folk in the pre Independence times and post.
Without knowing much details abt the actual happenings in those times, one thinks that we shd give Jana Gana Mana due respect.
What one finds totally abhorrent is JNU type of Politics which is not 'free wheeling' but SELF SERVING to say the least.
I happened to be there for a while in the 80s and it's a picnic out there.
Studies shd be regulated and time bound.
This one says with respect to current times with World Economy looking towards India as a viable option.
I think its a opportunity of a life time and instead if getting diverted by our internal politics of Sibal ji and likes we shd look ahead.
The above is said in my capacity as a common man who has limited understanding of high politics.
Utmost Respect to all.

On 10 Dec 2017 07:40, "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
The need to 'respect' the views, however preposterous, of people in high elected office in India is what has made us into a nation of sheep, herded by rank opportunists, money making gnomes, liars and crooks.
In a democracy we have a right to criticize the speech and actions of so-called elected leaders. Does the good major not read how vehemently people all over the free and unfree world oppose ruling governments and their functionaries? Should a person who compared a prime minister to God not be seen as either very foolish or a sycophantic opportunist? 
It is true however that we are approaching a fascist totalitarian state where young people who critique or ridicule state figures and policies are arrested by cyber sleuths, the new Gestapo, causing them endless expense and. torment. And influential voices of rationalists, independent media persons, and common citizens are silenced by the hired gun.
With respect to the singing of the so-called national song, we must remember that it is a product of the Shakta culture of East Bengal, now Bangladesh, and addressed in its unexpurgated form to a Goddess  who may not be the deity respected by millions of our nation who have their own versions of what is god.
J. Roy

On 9 Dec 2017 10:58 p.m., "Major upadhyay" <majupadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should any one explain to you the conduct of the Honourable Vice President of India ? In what way is he answerable to you for his speeches?

The Mayor of Meerut has stopped the singing of national song Vande Mataram and restored the singing of national anthem Jana Gana Mana...
Nothing wrong with that as per business rules of the local body. Both the national anthem and national song are sung in parliament of India every day of the session.

Thus it becomes a political issue. 

If the Indian V.P. comments on any issue. His views need to be respected. Agreeing or disagreeing with his views is your prerogative, Sir ji.



On 9 Dec 2017 15:33, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
As per news report like those appended, a newly elected BSP (Bahujan Samajwadi Party) mayor in Uttar Pradesh has restored the singing of the National Anthem (Jana Gana Mana) before commencing meeting business of the Meerut Municipality Board

However, our Hon'ble Vice President is apparently insulting our national anthem by comparing the compulsory singing of India's national anthem (Jana Gana Mana) to praising of Afzal Guru. Can somebody explain this bizarre anti-national approach of our Hon'ble VP for me.  Is there something we are missing ? Is there some misreporting in the media of our VP's observations ?

http://www.timesnownews.com/in dia/article/vande-mataram-row- debate-venkaiah-naidu-vice-pre sident-afzal-guru/142132

http://zeenews.india.com/india /no-vande-mataram-sing-jana-ga na-mana-bsp-mayor-reverses-bjp -s-decision-2063760.html

https://timesofindia.indiatime s.com/city/meerut/days-after-t aking-over-from-bjp-meeruts-bs p-mayor-overturns-compulsory-v ande-mataram-in-civic-body-mee tings/articleshow/61935930.cms


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