Dear Major Raveendran
Kindly note that IAC does not appreciate such kind of personal attacks
on fellow members.
The "truth" is
a) That 2 wrongs do not make a right. If Govt servants like IAS get
OROP as a privilege then fight to take it away from them.
b) Patriotism (or rather pseudo-patriotism) is the last refuge of
rascals and the virtue of the vicious. The actual meaning of
patriotism stems from one who supports the rights of the land and its
people AGAINST its rulers. Faujis are the "State" so by definition
they CANNOT be patriots.
Online nuggets
"In other words, a patriot stood for the rights of local
self-government and was opposed to tyrannical rule-even by his own
king. Thus, true patriotism is the impulse to defend one's land,
country or way of life against unjust governmental oppression."
"patriotism is the egg from which wars are hatched."
Sarbajit
On 9/24/15, major raveendran <
majorraveendran53@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Mr Kapoor,
> Are you or your father or grant father a refugee from Pakistan?It is just a
> doubt, as many Kapoors have ran for their life from Pakistan to India during
> the partition days.Feel shame to comment on Armed Forces of India, with out
> studying about them.Your article is a shame to any patriotic Indian.People
> like you are the enemies of this country!! Raveendran
> From: Ramesh Sharma <
rnsgss@gmail.com>
> To: Satish Kumar Kapoor <
kapoorssatish@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
>
> Dear Mr Kapoor,
> Are you even aware of how such a condition has come about?
> You want to know if there are any other countries where such type of pension
> is there. Do you have the faintest idea about the pensions and treatment
> that veterans are given in other countries?
> I would recommend that you carry out a little research about the genesis of
> this problem to know how we have reached such a sorry state.
> It appears that you are OK with the "Babus" and the politicians getting
> their OROP, pension and perks ... who have no shame in taking the country
> for a ride ... but you are vehemently against the genuine demand of the
> veterans who have been short changed by these very "Babus" and politicians.
> I would like to ask you if you are willing to lay down your life for the
> country? Or, for that matter, do you have any of your relatives who are a
> part of the armed forces?
> To me it is obvious that you, and people like you, who sit in the comfort of
> their homes ... (a condition created by the sacrifice of the defence
> services, who guard the countries borders, at the cost of their lives, in
> difficult conditions, so that you and the rest of the population of this
> country can live peacefully) .. are totally clueless and yet consider it
> necessary to pass judgement on the legitimate demands of the veterans.
> I sincerely urge you to get to the bottom of this and, I am sure, you will
> be ashamed of the injustice that has been done to the armed forces. You will
> also understand how the government (both present and past) have taken the
> armed forces for a ride.
> Please do your homework before raising such questions.
> Regards,
> Ramesh Sharma
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor
> <
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of
> pension is there?
> These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country.
> There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a
> Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting
> Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pensionwhy a person who
> retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire
> today or after years will get?
> country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving
> money at their cost is crime.
> S.K.KapoorRetired Sr Dy General Manager
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan
> <
mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years
> ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I
> have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in
> watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions.
> Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our
> retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to
> them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor,
> petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position
> (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles
> can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired
> from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
> MGR Rajan
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 05:01:59 +0530
> From:
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>
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>
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himakartata@yahoo.com;
rajukandukuri53@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
>
> OROP– bungled promise, warped goodwill:
>
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/counter-view-orop-bungled-promises-and-warped-goodwill/> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore
> <
ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in
> circulation , this is still worth a read.
> _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________Please
> circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
> WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES
> SO MUCH??
> Dear People Of India,
> As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some
> warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war
> widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there
> has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know
> some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
> 1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other
> advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men
> and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a
> law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the
> expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to
> the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the
> armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It
> recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational
> effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and
> women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited
> bureaucracy.
> In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve ,
> 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents
> having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served
> during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American
> Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming
> the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they
> respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans.
> 2 Your Armed Forces cannot be compared with the IAS, IPS, BSF, CRPF,
> ITBP, CISF , NSG, Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the
> State Armed Police Forces.
> A Nation can have only one Military.
> The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate
> social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by
> civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who
> serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not
> in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and
> making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be
> compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
> 3 WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
> (a) WE HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD
> !
> (b). WE ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT
> THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY,
> IAS, IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, CISF , NSG, RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN
> FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.
> PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
> 4 THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS
> OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU
> THEIR SCARCITY :
> (a) OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND
> ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
> (b). OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS
> RAISED FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC .
> (c). IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS,
> IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES (LESS ARMED FORCES) WOULD RETIRE AT THE
> HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT
> FORCES OUT OF IT.
> (d). THE IAS ,IPS and the CENTRAL SERVICES also gave themselves
> ACP - ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY
> DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST
> LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade
> the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT
> DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date a DIG was was between a Lt Col
> and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade
> (NFSG). The rank of a DIG is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are
> now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and
> the Central Services to run down the Military.
> (e) THEY CAN "DONATE" $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC
> CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND
> BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it
> comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who are" FORCED "
> TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY.
>
>
> 5 It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED
> PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj
> Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
> 6 YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND
> THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis OTHER GOVT
> SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
> 7 GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE
> FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT
> GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
> ..
> 8 WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF
> DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY
> RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
> 9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE, WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS,
> EARTHQUAKE ?? JUST LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE RIOTS IN GUJARAT
> COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE
> ARMY DID THE JOB !!
> 
> CAN THIS NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES ??
> REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT
> IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS
> AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> LTCOL(retd) T T KISHORE
>
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