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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY- or is it?

IAC has definitely good intentions - to fight against corruption. Corruption is a cancer in the system. Can we not think of addressing the systemic problem? Can we not think of redesigning the system in such a way so that the scope for corruption is minimised, if not totally eliminated? I think we should aim in this direction instead of making a hue and cry over Anti-Corruption Cell or publicising the drive against corruption

ASHOK B SHARMA

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On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:

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Till now the country has been ruled by the bureaucrats, our servants, who have a duty to serve us, not rule. In Delhi, for the first time in any state of India, a party has come to power that does not want to continue servants as rulers of this country. There can not be a greater delight to see how the defacto rulers i.e bureaucrats were shown their true place in the establishment. Locking the bureaucrats room was the first step in this direction. We wish and hope the bureaucracy is taught continually like this that they are servants of public. The rulers have a right to close their offices, and suspend and terminate them.

I have heard BJP guys saying often, " do not take pangas with bureaucracy." I particularly tasted this approach of BJP when we exposed and sought action in a corruption case involving EDMC Commissioner, two years back. A party with such principles can never fight corruption.

Where servants are masters, do not expect much good.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as
bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2015, 1:47 AM

Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.

Twitter: vinodvarshney2

Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
From: ashokbsharma@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
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                                                                  India
Against Corruption

CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

It is shocking
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.

If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
fundamental principles of fair governance
and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?

You all are aware that in HIGH Court face value of counsel counts and
Judges gave importance and attention to the Argument of those counsels
only. Counsel fees are very expensive and common man can not afford to
pay such high fees. Moreover counsel are attached with solicitors firm
whereat well organised business is going on. They all are interlinked
with judges in one way or the other. How then common honest man can
get Justice? Can MODY GOVERNMENT AND HIS LAW MINISTER HAS TAKEN ANY
STEPS OR RAISE ANY VOICE AGAINST THE SYSTEM OF JUDICIARY TO HELP POOR
AND COMMON MAN AND TO MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE? JUDGES NEVER INFORM WHEN
THEY ARE TAKING LEAVE SO THAT COMMON MAN CAN ABLE TO MANAGE HIS
WORKING DUTY HOURS AND ATTEND THE COURT. ADVOCATES TAKE AS MANY
ADJOURNMENT THEY WANT AND SOLICITORS FIRM CAN CONDUCT THE MATTER AT
THEIR SWEET WILL.

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 12:35 PM, S L Chowdhary <slchowdhary@gmail.com> wrote:
> Main reason for this is that there is no accountability of judges from
> lowest level to highest level.
>
> 1. when CPC bars more than 3 adjournments, judges give umpteen adjournments
> to oblige this or that advocate. And when
>
> 2. When CrPC bars that witness should be examined on the same day, long
> adjournments are given at the whims of advocates.
>
> When you approach the high court, high court simply bind the lower court for
> 6 month, 1 year. No reprimand of the court concerned.
>
> Even such orders are ignored by courts just to oblige this or that advocate.
>
> Courts have become tools to victimise honest people.
> Take an example:
> 1. A working partner cheats the capital contributing partner.
>
> 2. It takes more than one year to get the arbitrator appointed.
>
> 3. Arbitrator takes 5 years and awards half of the amount claimed by the
> claimant. with simple interest.
>
> 4. Non-claimant goes to dist court u/s 34. The court takes four years to
> reject the application of non claimant.
>
> 5. Non-claimant goes to High court u/s 37. The court stays the execution on
> non-claimant paying half the amount with simple interest.
>
> And it continues.
>
> Now in the mean time the non-claimant has earns compound interest at least 3
> times of what he will be paying to claimant.
>
> Forget about the time and money claimant has spent and spending.
>
> Long live the Judiciary.
>
> S. L. Chowdhary
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> 'So far, common men have believed that the judges would be the ultimate
>> conscience keeper of the country' is a misconception. Even in childhood I
>> have heard elders say that it is a blessing to pass through this life
>> without entering a police station or court. I did not know the meaning then
>> but I can, on the strength of my own experiences, say that the judiciary is
>> not only incompetent and corrupt it is also the catalyst for other public
>> servants to be delinquent and corrupt.
>>
>> You may please go through my blogs at http://raviforjustice.blogspot.in
>>
>> regards n bw
>>
>> ravi
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:17 PM
>> Subject: [IAC#RG] ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>> ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?
>>
>> In recent times, several judgements delivered by Supreme Court and High
>> Courts have surprised and shocked common men. While even the judges in USA
>> have often come under severe criticism, the conditions in India appear to be
>> no better. So far, common men have believed that the judges would be the
>> ultimate conscience keeper of the country and this belief is certainly
>> getting eroded fast now.
>>
>> While several judgements have raised lot of suspicions in the past, it has
>> now reached a climax when a High court judge acquitted a Chief Minister in a
>> corruption case based on wrong arithmetic calculation and a rich actor was
>> given bail in a few hours after being convicted .These are all very
>> disturbing signals which the country can ignore only at it's peril. If the
>> judges would not command faith amongst the people, the inevitable
>> consequence will be that people would tend to believe that there would be no
>> alternative other than resorting to violence to protect probity in public
>> life. It is not clear yet whether the judges have realised the consequences
>> of delivering judgements which cause blatant suspicions and misgivings
>> amongst the people.
>>
>> Of course, it is true that the judges function in stressful conditions
>> with high expectations of standards from the people., who may not understand
>> many intricacies of the law and the facts. When a judgement is delivered, it
>> inevitably happen that one party would suffer and another party would
>> triumph. There can also be genuine differences in interpretation of law
>> while providing judgements. While these factors are understandable, when
>> judgements cause serious doubts amongst the people as to whether the judges
>> have been impartial, it would be a tragic situation. Unfortunately, this
>> appears to be what is happening in India today.
>>
>> One cannot miss the fact that even retired judges of the High courts and
>> Supreme courts have levelled corruption charges against sitting judges in
>> recent times. While some say that this could be a situation similar to pot
>> calling kettle black, nevertheless such accusations are extremely
>> disturbing. There have been senior judges against whom molestation charges
>> and land grabbing charges have been levelled and common men believe that
>> most of these charges appear to be true and genuine. In all such cases, the
>> Supreme Court have not scrutinised the cases thoroughly but have allowed
>> the judges to go scot free with judges rarely being punished .
>>
>> On the other hand, several senior judges have no hesitation in accepting
>> posts such as Governor etc., which make people wonder as to whether these
>> judges have been rewarded by the government for any reason after their
>> retirement. Why these judges place themselves in such suspicious
>> circumstances by accepting such post retirement positions ?
>>
>> It is now high time that the judges have to redeem their fair name amongst
>> the people of India. Many believe that the Government of India's move to
>> appoint judges by setting up judicial commission is appropriate , as in the
>> past, several judges have been appointed due to political reasons at the
>> behest of politicians. Further, it is now seen that the judges have no qualm
>> about sharing platform in meetings with business men and politicians , some
>> of whom face charges in the court.
>>
>> Before the public suspicion become worse, the judges should immediately
>> atleast evolve a code of conduct for themselves and develop a mechanism
>> where the code of conduct could be scrutinised.
>>
>> The judges have no time to lose as the country men appear to be becoming
>> impatient and developing a sense of frustration , which make them say YOU
>> TOO JUDGES.
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
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>>
>> You may also like to visit:
>> 'Judiciary Watch' at www.vigilonline.com
>> http://www.judicialreforms.org/
>> http://www.roguepolice.com
>> http://milapchoraria.tripod.com
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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY - or is it?

Everyone must together act in the interest of the country. Bureaucracy cannot be the supreme and treating them as supreme can also be dangerous.

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On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Till now the country has been ruled by the bureaucrats, our servants, who have a duty to serve us, not rule. In Delhi, for the first time in any state of India, a party has come to power that does not want to continue servants as rulers of this country. There can not be a greater delight to see how the defacto rulers i.e bureaucrats were shown their true place in the establishment. Locking the bureaucrats room was the first step in this direction. We wish and hope the bureaucracy is taught continually like this that they are servants of public. The rulers have a right to close their offices, and suspend and terminate them.

I have heard BJP guys saying often, " do not take pangas with bureaucracy." I particularly tasted this approach of BJP when we exposed and sought action in a corruption case involving EDMC Commissioner, two years back. A party with such principles can never fight corruption.

Where servants are masters, do not expect much good.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as
bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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On Thu, 5/21/15, vinod varshney <vinodvarshney@hotmail.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2015, 1:47 AM

Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.

Twitter: vinodvarshney2

Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
From: ashokbsharma@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
wrote:

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                                                                  India
Against Corruption

CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

It is shocking
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.

If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
fundamental principles of fair governance
and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
N.S.Venkataramantwitter :
@nsvchennai

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RE: [IAC#RG] Regarding: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Why are you spewing venom like this, Dr Arun?? You seem to be competing with Togadia !!!

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India and Indians are very sensitive people. Unlike, people of western nations, Indians suffer from a well known disease called "Mood Swing". Gandhi-Nehru team messed up everything about Bharat and Bharatiya culture. Former was called "father of the nation" and later one "uncle of the nation". Their by product, Indira Gandhi became more ruthless to Hindus but they started calling her "mother Durga'. Nehru's grand-son, Rajiv was soft spoken and honored as "reformer of India", his wife, Sonia is named "savior of India". Unfortunately, Sonia's heirs are worst criminals but waiting for right time to grab the real power in the government. Meanwhile, relapse of the old disease "mood swing" is on move among confused Indians but seriously affecting honest, downtrodden Hindus who practices "Vashudev Kutumbakam" in their simple life.

Dr. Kumar Arun

Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 07:24:17 +0530
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Subject: [IAC#RG] Regarding: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Select and Secretly Promote Upper Caste Male Judges in Democratic Republic India. Rich and Influential have Faith in these Judges at HCs / SC. Not Commoners.

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From: "Ankit Khetan" <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
Date: May 16, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
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Sorry to say But I think that you are away from reality, seating in Air conditioned Room enjoying your retirement. You have forgotten the days of your struggle.

Today unaccounted persons are in jail, not guilty but waiting for their turn to be heard in Courts just to know why they are in prison for years, what is their guilt.

Supreme Court, Constitution, Big Politician from the large expensive stages shout and say Every one is equal in the eye of law. But while asking for justice..where I am from..who you are, the poor guy...its my greatness that you are alive.

Great Chandran ji...Great Indian, Great citizen you are. One person is asking for justice and instead of supporting him you are telling who is servant and who is Public, In whose hand is law and who is fighting for law..

Yes I agree that Govt. does not supports Judicial system financially, but dont forget we want justice and we will get it.

Ankit Khetan

India

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Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2015 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.

If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be sufficient for the Judge to correct the error.

The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal of the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has nothing to do with the case.

A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer provided by Court or Legal Services Authority who may or may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail for days, months and at times years.

I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were correct.

Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption Act amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to amend the Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi and also the DMK

P.Mohana Chandran

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary is right . There are many cases pending Judgement in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents]. She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.

Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.

raghavan rn

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Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

One more case of SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month.

B. VENKAT RAO

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On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.

Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

To

India Against Corruption

WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and providing bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with great speed and with many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Monday, May 25, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY - or is it?

Till now the country has been ruled by the bureaucrats, our servants, who have a duty to serve us, not rule. In Delhi, for the first time in any state of India, a party has come to power that does not want to continue servants as rulers of this country. There can not be a greater delight to see how the defacto rulers i.e bureaucrats were shown their true place in the establishment. Locking the bureaucrats room was the first step in this direction. We wish and hope the bureaucracy is taught continually like this that they are servants of public. The rulers have a right to close their offices, and suspend and terminate them.

I have heard BJP guys saying often, " do not take pangas with bureaucracy." I particularly tasted this approach of BJP when we exposed and sought action in a corruption case involving EDMC Commissioner, two years back. A party with such principles can never fight corruption.

Where servants are masters, do not expect much good.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as
bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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On Thu, 5/21/15, vinod varshney <vinodvarshney@hotmail.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2015, 1:47 AM

Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.

Twitter: vinodvarshney2

Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
From: ashokbsharma@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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2015 at 1:38 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
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cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
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                                                                  India
Against Corruption

CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

It is shocking
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.

If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
fundamental principles of fair governance
and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
N.S.Venkataramantwitter :
@nsvchennai

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RE: [IAC#RG] Why India has remained a developing country with poor denied basic necessities of life including housing?

Dear Shti Vaghela,
Corruption and inaptitude are not the prerogative of the so called upper castes .We all know what that doyen of lower castes,Justice Balakrishnan did.Did you find out about the charges against him. He is alleged to have selected many unsavoury elements into higher judiciary.

navnith

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Rajarajeswari Nagar,
BANGALORE 560098

Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 07:54:19 +0530
From: vaghelabd@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Why India has remained a developing country with poor denied basic necessities of life including housing?

Dear All,

In the so far prevalent Scandalous Collegium System, Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Selected & Secretly Promoted Upper Caste Male Judges to occupy Positions at High Courts and Supreme Court of India.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Hear Cases at Own Whims and Fancy & Not FIFO (First In First Out).

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Bureaucrats.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Corporates.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Ministers.

These Upper Caste Male Judges get Positions of Power even after they have Retired as Judges ensuring their Dominance in Governance System.

Nothing surprising then that India remains a corrupted country with Justice denied to Commoners as Litigants - Petitioners or Respondents.

Only Totally Transparent, Objective and Democratic Selection / Promotion System can help Worthy to be Judges to Deliver Justice that has been denied to We the People so far.

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