Monday, November 3, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] CORRUPT POLITICIAN HAS THE LAST LAUGH AND JUDICIARY BECOME LAUGHING STOCK

Today's world crores are working from home, while travelling or even when they are already doing some or other work. Technology has made all these things possible! Even there could be cases where the employer has not seen the employees who work for them.

PM is a technocrat and uses technologies to the fullest possibilities. He is capable of doing many things at a tme, there is no need for him to be fastened to an office chair, more so for a politician. What we need to see is whether delioveries are taking place which is the ultimate result of governance, more so in a democracy! Can we define what is a prime minister's job? It would be appropriate to point out whether he is negleting something at the cost of some other and how PM should consider 1.2 billions priorities- not withstnding each having there priorities! Probabily we are perhaps seeing a person's attention being received at many aspects simultaneously! For all that it matters he is the first CEO of our contry sho is a doer! He declared that he derives pleasure from doing things which in turn is driving him to do more ! As he said we can seek meetings with him or write to him for what he should change or improve upon, such possibilities never existed before!!


On Sunday, 2 November 2014 6:23 PM, MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in> wrote:


Sir Can PM  Modi travel during elections in Maharashtra and Haryana leaving his primary responsibility to Govern -for which he is drawing salary  and canvass /promote his Party and Candidates .Is he not misusing Taxpayers money (Assume BJP did not fund his election touring expenses )Does he have to submit any expense statement to BJP Treasurer  ?If Party has organised his tour ?Hope Govt machinery is used for Party Propaganda ?
However,PM can not take off that to 15 days from the chair of PM ?Who is he accountable ?
 Sir will appreciate your response

RAMESH PATIL

 

MRCI



On Friday, 24 October 2014 11:20 AM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though there is no presumption of innocence after conviction so long as an appeal provided by law due to experience of coviction being found to be erroneous in many cases there is no presumption of guilt also and therefore grant of bail pending appeal has to be fairly liberal.

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On Oct 22, 2014, at 6:33 PM, ~Rájiv Pátěl <rpatel.fffie@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Kirity Roy
Get your facts clear. In the present case the ACCUSED person has been already tried and found GUILTY and therefore the person is no more an accused but a CONVICT. Unlike the parameters to be considered while granting bail to an accused person/s parameters to grant bail to a convicted person are different

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Kirity Roy <kirityroy@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do agree with the understanding of Mr. Shanti Bhushan. 
Accused person in a criminal trial should not be treated as guilty. It is the duty of prosecution (State) to prove him / her guilty before the court. 
Are we going to establish "presumption of guilt" in he tune of police / state ?? Are we going deny "Right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty" ?? 

At the same time I must support strongly the main message of Mr. N S Venkataraman of Nandini Voice. 

On 21 October 2014 21:52, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not see any objection to the grant of bail pending appeal provided it is conditional on the appeal being quickly heard and decided.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

Is veteran(??) PJamasji, advocating austerity ONLY to FAUJIS( Warriors of Armed forces)and their families. The remedy for SLOTH is not  selective poverty. We warriors are ever willing to share poverty of the nation along with Babus/ politicians who have morphed to present day RULERS, forgetting they are firstly public servants and secondly they are supposed to ensure GoodGovernance  and not rule the country.
If veteran  Jamasji has no objection to right ful entitlements of warriors( serving and ESM) he should not state the opposite.
Veteran( LtCol) TTKISHORE.

On Monday, November 3, 2014, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:
if the govt equates faujis with babus & pays them accordingly, sooner than later faujis will, will emulate the babu sloth ! 


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MsPujaMehra says it is not false reporting. 
Actually it is a blatant misreporting ,in that, OROP is an unlimited liability to the nation unlike limited liability of  other welfare measures to rest of the civilian sections of society. The fact is equal wages for similar job/ work AND pension is deferred wages andNOT GRATIS.
Why should warriors ( ESM& serving) community be a victim of sloth like efficiency of Babus/ politicians? The Babus/ politicians have ignored this unlimited liabilty to  fund their perks.
She does not seem to have an idea or choose to ignore the COVENANT the nation has regards WARRIORS like all other grateful and civilized communities universally. 
VeteranTTK


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On Nov 2, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir my colleague Puja Mehra says it is not false. Warm regards. Sandeep Dikshit.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, <puja.mehra> wrote:
Pl can u tell this it is not false. They r trolling me too on twitter. ‎So unbecoming of soldiers 

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A newspaper of the stature of The Hindu  has reported this  news in a most damaging manner.This need to be condemned. However the blame goes to Modi who has been made to keep his mouth shut on this issue by his bosses , the bureaucracy-the babus.

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Dear Sirs,

It looks a though babus are feeding false reports to the media and the media is lapping it. The Chiefs should be appraised of this and they should issue a statement giving correct facts. How could the defence budget have gone up because of OROP when nothing has been given. The babus are drumming up support against OROP? 

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One rank, one pension scheme pushes up defence pension bill


The implementation of one rank, one pension has pushed up the Centre's defence pension payments by a record 40 per cent, posing fresh challenges to Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley's resolve to keep the Centre's fiscal deficit within the budgetary target of 4.1 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product.
The armed forces pensions bill for the first six months of the current fiscal, from April to September, has turned out to be about Rs. 8,000 crore higher than for the corresponding period last year. Mr. Jaitley had provided only Rs. 1,000 crore for the whole year towards the scheme in the Budget he presented on July 10. The Finance Ministry is revising upwards its Budget estimate for the outgo on account of the scheme that benefits nearly 24 lakh pensioners of the armed forces.
The defence pensions bill for 2014-15 can be roughly expected to go up by about Rs. 16,000 crore over last year's, the source said. The Budget estimated defence pensions during 2014-15 to be Rs. 50,966.95 crore as against Rs. 44,475.95 crore the previous year.
The austerity measures do not cover pensions and the challenge for Mr. Jaitley will be to find fresh resources for the rapidly rising bill.
"Defence pensions payments normally do not go up so drastically. Though some increase was expected on account of the new scheme, the rise is turning out to be manifold," the source said.
One rank, one pension means soldiers of the same rank and the same length of service get the same pension, irrespective of their retirement date.
The decision to implement the scheme was first announced by former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram in the UPA government's interim Budget he had presented in February this year. Mr. Chidambaram had allocated Rs. 500 crore for it. "This decision will be implemented prospectively from the financial year 2014-15," he had said while presenting the vote on account ahead of the elections.
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Re: [IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

I fully endorse Mr. P. Sureshan's candid observations   

"This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that we have a strong and impartial judiciary".

In fact, I strongly feel that it is lack of proper and quick justice which is cause for increasing crime. A criminal has no fear of punishment.


On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
In continuation of my  mail  initiated on the subject , several concerned citizens have expressed their honest views which deserve to be noted by the judiciary and administration.

It is extremely disturbing to read Mr. P. Sureshan's candid observations   " This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that we have a strong and impartial judiciary" .

There is no doubt that the common man is losing faith that judiciary can be impartial all the time and there will be consistency in the observations of the judges and judgements delivered. Common man is also aware that the judges are appointed atleast at the level of lower courts  not so much based on merits but on political considerations many times. There are already several allegations in this regard.

Persons like Mr. K.G.Balakrishnan and Mr. Dinakaran and others like them who face severe charges have already contributed considerably to shake the faith of the common man that judiciary in India can be depended all the time to save India's interests.

What is particularly painful is that politicians , bureaucrats (largely IAS & IPS officers ) and vested business interests. which include some section of media have  now gained stranglehold over the course of events in the country and millions of common men remain helpless and as mere observers , though common men are the worst hit. We are not even able to believe anymore that all that appear in media ( print and TV media )  are factual and without prejudice.

It appears , in today's conditions , the  judiciary  is certainly positioned to remain as conscience keeper of the country.  But,  several judges are failing to stand up to the expectations.  Many judges may not deserve to be viewed as "holy cows"  anymore.

 Pronouncements and judgements of courts need to be scrutinised much more closely and discussed in seminars, conferences and in public domain  fearlessly.


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On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 2:50 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
please read two news reports, I can't find the reason for whole change of mood,,,  except Supreme Court none can understand logic in various SC observations,, Yesterday one important matter was listed before A constitutional court, which will  have direct bearing upon BJP's attempt to form government at Delhi, . During the hearing of argument Judge has received a message from his staff and gone back to his chamber without concluding arguments. We don't know what message he received and what will happen to that matter. This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that "we have a strong and impartial judiciary" 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2811731/Supreme-Court-fumes-L-G-Jung-Centre-failing-end-Delhi-deadlock.html
"Perhaps Delhi's Lieutenant Governor Najeeb Jung expected the Supreme Court to accept the consent letter issued to him by the President, to invite the single largest party in Delhi - the BJP - to form a government. If so, he was wrong.

A bench headed by Chief Justice H.L. Dattu shocked Jung and the BJP by keeping a hold on its decision on the Presidential assent till Thursday, and asking if "the new attempt to explore the possibility of forming a government was another bid to buy time from the Supreme Court". 

"Every time, just before a hearing, the Centre will come out with some statement or letter, but nothing happens. We have given enough time but we are still nowhere. People kept waiting for an elected government. Eight-and-a-half months have gone by. We gave adjournments after adjournments not because the court did not have time to hear the case but to facilitate a solution to the deadlock," an angry Dattu told Additional Solicitor General P.S. Narasimha, who appeared for the Centre and Jung. 

"You want to invite the single largest party. But are they in a position to form the government? We do not want to direct you to do things in a particular way. But in a democratic polity, people have the right to have a government and shall not be endlessly ruled by the President. You do nothing except throw a piece of paper before us just before each hearing," Dattu told Narasimha".


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-10-30/news/55595367_1_lt-governor-najeeb-jung-pervesh-verma-were-government-formation


"The Supreme Court today expressed satisfaction over Lt Governor Najeeb Jung's recent moves to explore the possibility of government formation in Delhi and said that he should be given more time as "there could be a minority government with outside support".

Referring to recent media reports, a five-judge Constitution bench headed by Chief Justice H L Dattu said, "Whatever I have read in newspapers, it appears that the LG has made positive moves." 



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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
If Supreme Court has been honest in their doings , the entire judicial system would have been different . The way they they keep giving dates over dates shows how responsible they are in delivering their judgement. Most of the time they have been toeing the lines of bureaucrats. 

They need to be made transparent , accountable and responsible.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Ranga Rao <dsrangarao@gmail.com> wrote:
No question of doubting the integrity of Supreme Court. A pro-active judiciary at all levels is always welcome, particularly in a country like ours where the political establishment, at times, tends to be so irresponsible and unaccountable. 
The point under debate is why the Hon'ble Supreme Court has demanded again the list of black money hoarders from the government when the same was already stated to have been submitted to it in June last itself.  In wondering so, what i and others of ilk felt was that such queries or arguments from the court side or the plaint side would only add to further delays which are endemic to our judicial system, but not to question the Apex Court at all. As the adage goes that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", eternal vigilance not only by Supreme Court or by a particular organ of the government, but by every citizen, is paramount need of the times to check undue delays and corruption in any walk of life.  Otherwise, what is the use of repeating ad infinitum and ad nauseam that justice delayed is justice denied?


On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Victor Cooper <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If the executive fails to do its job or fails to act when it should or acts illegally, the judiciary will step in .... and that is welcome.

Victor


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The question is why the govt. resisted giving the list to the SC. The govt. was doing parallel investigation and giving amnesty to certain individuals. The SC has stopped that with insistence of giving the list and insisting that all investigation henceforth will be done by the SIT.

On 29 October 2014 12:17, Salil RK <protekmumbai@gmail.com> wrote:
The SC has huge powers. It is custodian of the constitution. Whatever wrongs the executive commits, the SC has powers to nullify the same. It not only interprets the laws but also has to see that justice has be done. The constitution provides sufficient powers to the SC.

On 28 October 2014 20:03, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
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                                                                                    DOES  JUDICIARY  HAVE  UNLIMITED  POWERS ?
 
In recent times, we have come across many instances where judiciary has entertained cases and given ruling , which may not involve any legal issues or any constitutional interpretations and issues which may be purely a matter of administration.
For example, judiciary has given verdict even on such matters like restricting the use of crackers on deepavali festival or  using loud speakers beyond certain hours, which are purely  matters in the domain of administration.  At least some people including some   legal professionals  some times wonder  whether judiciary is exceeding its limits on occasions.
There are also many instances where the judgements of judiciary at various levels do not have consistency , making thinking people wonder as to whether judiciary is providing judgements on the basis of perspectives and prejudices of individual judges , without approaching the issues on the basis  of law and fair practice. For example, the judgement of the judiciary regarding homosexuality have confused people  as to what would be the limits of powers of judiciary and which are the matters which it should entertain.
Obviously, judiciary is having its way , since , by and large, people have lost faith in the credibility of  politicians and bureaucrats  and many people think that politicians and bureaucrats would readily compromise with values and principles in discharging their duties. Under the circumstances, people look upon the judiciary to save them from the misdeeds of politicians and bureaucrats ,  which appear to have made judges think that they have unlimited powers and they are the ultimate  authority.
The recent judgement of the Supreme Court directing Government of India to submit the names of all black money holders abroad has been widely welcomed by the people but the legal pundits may wonder whether Supreme Court has over reached itself in giving this decision  and whether it really  has  the inherent  powers to do so,  as  per the provisions of constitution.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

It is not false, they are again active now. 
They were extremely hyper during Kejriwal movement.  
Rgds
Anand

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Sir my colleague Puja Mehra says it is not false. Warm regards. Sandeep Dikshit.

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Pl can u tell this it is not false. They r trolling me too on twitter. ‎So unbecoming of soldiers 

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A newspaper of the stature of The Hindu  has reported this  news in a most damaging manner.This need to be condemned. However the blame goes to Modi who has been made to keep his mouth shut on this issue by his bosses , the bureaucracy-the babus.

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Dear Sirs,

It looks a though babus are feeding false reports to the media and the media is lapping it. The Chiefs should be appraised of this and they should issue a statement giving correct facts. How could the defence budget have gone up because of OROP when nothing has been given. The babus are drumming up support against OROP? 

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One rank, one pension scheme pushes up defence pension bill


The implementation of one rank, one pension has pushed up the Centre's defence pension payments by a record 40 per cent, posing fresh challenges to Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley's resolve to keep the Centre's fiscal deficit within the budgetary target of 4.1 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product.
The armed forces pensions bill for the first six months of the current fiscal, from April to September, has turned out to be about Rs. 8,000 crore higher than for the corresponding period last year. Mr. Jaitley had provided only Rs. 1,000 crore for the whole year towards the scheme in the Budget he presented on July 10. The Finance Ministry is revising upwards its Budget estimate for the outgo on account of the scheme that benefits nearly 24 lakh pensioners of the armed forces.
The defence pensions bill for 2014-15 can be roughly expected to go up by about Rs. 16,000 crore over last year's, the source said. The Budget estimated defence pensions during 2014-15 to be Rs. 50,966.95 crore as against Rs. 44,475.95 crore the previous year.
The austerity measures do not cover pensions and the challenge for Mr. Jaitley will be to find fresh resources for the rapidly rising bill.
"Defence pensions payments normally do not go up so drastically. Though some increase was expected on account of the new scheme, the rise is turning out to be manifold," the source said.
One rank, one pension means soldiers of the same rank and the same length of service get the same pension, irrespective of their retirement date.
The decision to implement the scheme was first announced by former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram in the UPA government's interim Budget he had presented in February this year. Mr. Chidambaram had allocated Rs. 500 crore for it. "This decision will be implemented prospectively from the financial year 2014-15," he had said while presenting the vote on account ahead of the elections.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

What is damaging in the report? If the figures are wrong someone in authority should give the correct expend estimate on this scheme as for Modi govt it is conveniently silent on everything in convenient -- neena
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

MsPujaMehra says it is not false reporting. 
Actually it is a blatant misreporting ,in that, OROP is an unlimited liability to the nation unlike limited liability of  other welfare measures to rest of the civilian sections of society. The fact is equal wages for similar job/ work AND pension is deferred wages andNOT GRATIS.
Why should warriors ( ESM& serving) community be a victim of sloth like efficiency of Babus/ politicians? The Babus/ politicians have ignored this unlimited liabilty to  fund their perks.
She does not seem to have an idea or choose to ignore the COVENANT the nation has regards WARRIORS like all other grateful and civilized communities universally. 
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On Nov 2, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir my colleague Puja Mehra says it is not false. Warm regards. Sandeep Dikshit.

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Pl can u tell this it is not false. They r trolling me too on twitter. ‎So unbecoming of soldiers 

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A newspaper of the stature of The Hindu  has reported this  news in a most damaging manner.This need to be condemned. However the blame goes to Modi who has been made to keep his mouth shut on this issue by his bosses , the bureaucracy-the babus.

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Dear Sirs,

It looks a though babus are feeding false reports to the media and the media is lapping it. The Chiefs should be appraised of this and they should issue a statement giving correct facts. How could the defence budget have gone up because of OROP when nothing has been given. The babus are drumming up support against OROP? 

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One rank, one pension scheme pushes up defence pension bill


The implementation of one rank, one pension has pushed up the Centre's defence pension payments by a record 40 per cent, posing fresh challenges to Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley's resolve to keep the Centre's fiscal deficit within the budgetary target of 4.1 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product.
The armed forces pensions bill for the first six months of the current fiscal, from April to September, has turned out to be about Rs. 8,000 crore higher than for the corresponding period last year. Mr. Jaitley had provided only Rs. 1,000 crore for the whole year towards the scheme in the Budget he presented on July 10. The Finance Ministry is revising upwards its Budget estimate for the outgo on account of the scheme that benefits nearly 24 lakh pensioners of the armed forces.
The defence pensions bill for 2014-15 can be roughly expected to go up by about Rs. 16,000 crore over last year's, the source said. The Budget estimated defence pensions during 2014-15 to be Rs. 50,966.95 crore as against Rs. 44,475.95 crore the previous year.
The austerity measures do not cover pensions and the challenge for Mr. Jaitley will be to find fresh resources for the rapidly rising bill.
"Defence pensions payments normally do not go up so drastically. Though some increase was expected on account of the new scheme, the rise is turning out to be manifold," the source said.
One rank, one pension means soldiers of the same rank and the same length of service get the same pension, irrespective of their retirement date.
The decision to implement the scheme was first announced by former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram in the UPA government's interim Budget he had presented in February this year. Mr. Chidambaram had allocated Rs. 500 crore for it. "This decision will be implemented prospectively from the financial year 2014-15," he had said while presenting the vote on account ahead of the elections.
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Re: [IAC#RG] CORRUPT POLITICIAN HAS THE LAST LAUGH AND JUDICIARY BECOME LAUGHING STOCK

Dear Robby

From your writing and insight (which I attest is 100% true), you must
have really suffered at the hands of judiciary and their black-coated
armies of vultures and vampires.

The problem today is not that we must dig out the corrupt judges - it
is that we must find the
honest ones (and there are certainly many honest judges still left in
the system).

It is also an open secret that that the honesty ratio is far higher in
the lower judiciary, where some of the best decisions and orders are
delivered (although not I fear on the criminal side which is truly a
mess), and the higher you go the more the stench of corruption offends
one's nose. The judiciary is unwilling to heal itself, and Parliament
(people) is not being allowed to do so. Only the common people (who
are the last to know) are somewhat slightly fooled by the media
created perception that judiciary is honest and that justice is till
available to them.

The fact is that the entire system and national fabric is rotted,
corrupted and anti-democratic, and it needs a completely new system to
replace it. I often think of my movement's leader Bal Gangadhar
Tilak's supposedly seditious speech and his trial.

Emperor vs Bal Gangadhar Tilak on 9 November, 1916
http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1188602/?type=print

"we must do those things which relate to business, trade, religion and
society. Unless the power of doing those things comes partially into
our hands in the end it must come fully-unless it comes fully into our
hands, it is impossible for us to see a time of plenty, the dawn of
good fortune, advantage of prosperity. Water cannot be drunk with
others' mouths. We ourselves have to drink it.... The first duty is,
take a portion of this authority into your possession, it "does not
matter if you take a little portion of it.... New King is not wanted.
But give into our possession a portion of the powers by losing which
our condition is being reduced to that of 'orphans.'"

Sarbajit

On 11/2/14, robby <sharmarobby@hotmail.com> wrote:
> See all that you need to understand is that India is in control of hundreds
> of Mafia and Judicial mafia is the biggest of them because it gives birth to
> the other Mafia. I do not know the Position in Karnataka but in U.P. there
> is a unwritten law in banks that they do not approve Loans to Advocates.
> Why? How many of your Lawyers give you any Receipts for the money you pay
> them? Now from these same set of deplorable Advocates you get your Judges.
> So do not be carried away by the shining black Robes worn by the Judges
> because under these Shiny Judges it is just another crook engaged simply in
> promotion of his career enjoying immunity from almost everything and
> pretending to dispense Justice although in India Justice is done in aly one
> case out of a thousand and that too only after the introduction of the
> Collegium system. THE JUDICIARY OF INDIA has always been and still Is
> GOVERNMENT's HAREM and the Judges are the GOVERNMENT's CONCUBINES Dancing
> free for the GOVERNMENT and for a price for the rich & powerful. The One in
> a Thousand Cases seemingly decided in Public Interest is only a trailer to
> play to the media while actually the Godown is rotting with millions of
> undecided and wrongly decided cases.Robby SharmaKanpur
>