Thursday, June 5, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Look most on this forum haven't a clue what RSS stands for . Its fundamental doctrine is promote capitalism . Ram and swadeshi is only a plank . Well everything emanates from doctrine .there is no difference between BJP and Congress . Wait and see how they come to each other's rescue . Both big money parties . Soon Sonia will become a more spilt child than ever before.  Now you can select your topics . 
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On 04-Jun-2014, at 1:42 am, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:

Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,
It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.
Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.
Col P M Das, Veteran.

Mohan


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Major P M Ravindranji,
A soldier advocating aimlessness/irrelevance?
Sure?
Logic?
Do you have in today's world the luxury for it when even the most pressing/relevant issues get scant attention?
As a System's engineer,as a serious research scholar,as a promoter of fast-paced"Transform India Campaign", I find your advocacy, through self-defeating bizarre logic,of irrelevant issues as quite amusing. Have you now too much time and too little to add to the nation's progress?
Humbly request you to kindly review your position. Or like Sh Mulayam Singh wouldn't buzz an inch from his"boys will be boys" shameless comment,you ,too, would love to stick to  your views as an iron -clad position?
Please,dear,Sh Raviji,
 lets concentrate on the most crucial issues with ABC priority system.
spm



On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col P M Das

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

regards n bw

ravi


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:
Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,
It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.
Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.
Col P M Das, Veteran.

Mohan


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Arundathi   Roy should stay in Pakistan for a year, Saudi Arabia for 18 months and Kuwait for another 24 months  and then another book. She will be rewarded  Seshadri

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Ravindran P M
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

 

Dear Col P M Das

 

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

 

regards n bw

 

ravi

 

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:

Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,

It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.

Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.

Col P M Das, Veteran.


Mohan

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>

"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

 

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RE: [IAC#RG] FW: E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

5/6/14
It is a welcome decision.
At the same time keep a watch on people who try to spam or indulge in any disruptive actions and weed them out.
Since you have a membership of 25000 a sizeable no. can ben weeded out without any adverse effect on the forum.
However care should be taken to ensure that people who differ from your opion or views but otherwise contribute to discussion should not be affected
Regds
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:47:42 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)

Dear All
 
As (A) the persons who keep spamming our mailing list and trying to
shut us down now seem  to be under control, (B) this list can carry on
as it was before if we all restrict our posts and make substantive
contributions, while (C) recalling that there is no such thing as
"free" speech (it costs money) and (D) we are not going to be
burdening senior citizens / retirees if we can help it.
 
The INDIARESISTS.IN forum will be slowly built up for more detailed
discussions and postings.
 
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> Respected Sarbajit Roy Ji,
>
> I too have a similar problem in getting registered.
>
> Kindly elucidate the sequential steps to get it done.
>
> Regards,
>
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> Dated : June 03, 2014
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>  Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 05:40:27 +0530
> From: ddchop47@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] E-Newspaper dt. 30.05.2014 (e01v01)
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> Respected Sarbajit Roy Ji,
> i tried the other day to get on to registering myself on to indiaresists but
> failed.i respond not more than 3-4 times in a 12 month period, and am
> prepared to make my contribution through a Bank transfer of the costs+,
> involved.
> Will that be acceptable?(i am not a rich man, except for the fact that one
> tries to practice the values one acquired from the family, & retiring after
> 14 year's of work through UNICEF and now a UN related pension--which is tax
> free.)
>
> i deeply respect your view & assertion that says:" - where were the poor
> and
> dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi(more on
> that later) ?
> One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.Ambani's
> outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
> part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned."
> Sarbajit
>
> A democracy that creates massive differences in wealth, acquired by ALL
> means, including an over-kill via skillful legal punditry at the highest
> Courts of the land, is both insensitive and unfair.
> Are we today in India suffering from that when promoted both by the State &
> its agencies or by the very, very rich?        That Sir, requires an
> assessment, no?
> Written with a sense of purpose, to be of use to society, in all that one
> has
> said.Sincerely & Respectfully,dev chopra in gurgaon***
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> On 31 May 2014 15:02, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
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> tried several times not able to register
> http://www.indiaresists.in/ucp.php?mode=register
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> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> We again request all our members who wish to post to this IAC general
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> [Presently, the list moderators have to read over 300 emails which are
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> forwarded and cc'ed just to select the 5-10 emails which are actually
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> circulated]
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>
>
> @Sureshan, at some point of time, India is increasingly likely to have
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>  an armed face-off between extreme Right and the extreme Left.We all
>
> saw Mukesh Ambani and Nita Ambani, Essar Ruias, Gautam Adani, etc as
>
> invitees to Namo's ostentatious coronation - where were the poor and
>
> dirty people (bhooke-nange log) who supposedly voted for Mr. Modi
>
> (more on that later) ?
>
>
>
> One act which would reassure India, is if the BJP nationalises Mr.
>
> Ambani's outrageous 27 storey (actually 60 storeys) Antilia complex as
>
> part of "Integral Humanism" which the BJP seems to have abandoned.
>
>
>
> Sarbajit
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>
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>> Without undermining the vested leadership of naxal movements it is
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

If there is evidence of wrongdoing - act
If there are two sides to a picture - discuss
There is no need to get busy on meaningless speculation just because Arundhati Roy initiates it.

Jaya Jaitly
Editor and publisher of The OtherSide
A journal of socialist thought and action
Founded by George Fernandes


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: A POLICY TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

I have really never understood this whole point of appealing to the government?

Popular quote attributed to Einstein "Continuing to do the same thing, while expecting different results, is the definition of insanity"

I would like to make two broad points here:

First, the government is NEVER going to solve the problem of the poor education imparted in govt or public schools - they (the bureaucrats, the politicians, the administrators and the teachers) have no incentive to deliver a better product. The whole system of rewards vs punishment does not work in public schools, partially due to incompetence, partially due to apathy and callousness of the administrators and partially due to the vested interests represented by the unions.

If you are going to pay a teacher Rs3,000 - 5,000 per month in rural and semi-rural ares, where is his incentive to actually do a passable job, leave alone a great job. You are entrusting the future of your child with this person, and you would pay him less than what a government sweeper earns? Where is his/her incentive? Further, he probably had to pay a bribe to secure the post in the first place - obviously, he will look to secure his return first, probably by working somewhere else part time/contract basis while he collects his govt pittance.

So, what is the solution - the solution is fairly simple to execute, run, and ensure that education quality improves by leaps and bounds, across the country. BUT, the solution is anathema to all the socialists and collectivists. I can already imagine the howls of anguish and protest that are going to erupt.

The biggest cost in education is infrastructure - and, that is the biggest entry barrier for competent educators to look at providing quality education in rural and semi-rural areas - on the other hand, the govt has previously built a chain of schools across the country - this is a sunk cost for the govt, which is yielding a poor RoI, if not a negative RoI to the citizens of this country, who actually paid for this infrastructure through their taxes.

So, why not monetise this infrastructure? Return the capital/investment spent on the schools back to the taxpayers while the central budget, and at the same time make the infrastructure more productive.

That's right: PRIVATISE all government schools - either sell or lease out the schools to private educators, district wise or conglomeration of district wise. Transfer all the teachers and the administrators to the private educators' pay roll. Syllabi for each grade could be set at a state level, since these students will all appear for the board exam - but that is the sole role that the education regulator should play - if you want to be more daring, then do away with set syllabi too - just set three board level exams at 4th grade, 8th grade and 12th grade. Give the private educators' freedom to decide syllabi, methodology and processes to prepare their students for these exams - but, this might be a bridge too far for most learned-by-rote Indians to swallow.

And, payments - the govt currently spends a certain amount per school each year. Divide this number by the families with school going children in this area, and provide the money DIRECTLY to the parents as a fungible education voucher, payable for fees at any school within the state.

Thus there will be an incentive for the private educators to ensure that they keep attracting students by the quality of their school and education.

And, the govt can set up a bonus pool derived from the interest income from either the sale amount or lease amount it received from the privatisation of the schools - which can be used to reward those educators with strong performances at the board exam levels.

So, what do we have here? The right incentives for everyone in the system, accountability and a clear reward system for success. What's not to like???

BTW, for those who are going to stand up in opposition to this proposal, pls consider this fact: parents in rural areas are already sending their children to private, local "english medium" schools and paying cold cash for it, while spurning the govt schools, which are free.

=========================================================
Second point:

Why are we appealing to the govt? The govt is our agent, which WE created to do our bidding. Not our master. We should be demanding. The individual comes first, and then comes the state.

If you think the govt is failing in the mandate that the citizens have given it, then demand performance or ask for the relevant people to be fired if they can not deliver.

Why should we, the taxpayers, be paying for the incompetent IAS? Sack bureaucrats who do not perform - pure and simple. Scrap tenure for IAS.

And, why will the legislators not listen to the citizens? The recent elections should be a salutary lesson for them, is it not?


Thanks

Supratim





On 3 June 2014 19:52, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
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                                                                  A  POLICY  TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

 

As the new academic year is now commencing , the parents and students belonging to poor families  are running around with frustration and sense of hopelessness , due to lack of quality educational opportunities. Those who interact with the poor families would know this.

Certainly, the poor students are entitled to aspire for quality education  that would provide them opportunities for growth, just as the students belonging to the affluent families.

Unfortunately, with private  educational institutions now largely going into the hands of business men and politicians,  the tuition and other fees charged in the private schools and colleges have become exhorbitant and beyond the reach of the students from lower income group.  It is sad that quality education now are available only for those who can afford to pay high fees.

Inevitably, the deprived students look upto the government for support to provide them opportunities for education  that would be of competitive standards. Unfortunately, the quality standards of education imparted in several government schools and colleges are  poor and inadequate. 

In such circumstances, the students belonging to lower income group and their parents desire to admit their children in private institutions, but they do not have the resources  to pay the demanded fees . They run from pillar to post to mobilise funds by borrowing or "begging". They go from one NGO  to another and these NGOs themselves do not command the resources required considering the need of the poor students.

In such circumstances, the politicians and the bureaucrats running the government have to be blamed for not maintaining the requisite  standards in the government owned educational institutions. Further, the government is not opening more schools and colleges in tune with the demand and perhaps, expect the money sucking private sector to fill the gap.

The poor quality of education in government schools and colleges have no justification.  The salaries and perks paid to the teachers in government schools and colleges are largely on par with that of private institutions and in some cases they are even better.  Most of the government institutions also have adequate facilities like laboratories etc. as  the government provide the funds.

The problem arises due to the poor quality of administration and indiscipline in these government institutions . One often see   local politicians entering the  premises and interfering in administration.   IAS officers who work in the Education department rarely visit the schools  and colleges  for inspection and when they do occasionally , they expect to be received  with red carpet welcome.

A suggestion was made in a recent meeting that the best way to improve the standards of the government owned educational institutions is to make it compulsory that the sons and daughters of IAS officers   and that of the ministers should study only in government owned or government aided institutions.  They use government bunglows / apartments and government vehicles.  Why not they use government schools and colleges also  ?   This policy  of government to ask the ministers and bureaucrats to admit their children in government institutions would certainly motivate them  to pay greater attention to improve the performance  and standards of government run educational institutions.

 

N.S.Venkataraman

Email:-  nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com




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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money’ is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Col P M Das

Sometimes it helps to discuss irrelevant and irreverent topics also as it can help modify our own perceptions. Logically there can be nothing good or bad, useful or useless, it is all about how people handle things/issues!

regards n bw

ravi


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Mohan Das <colpmdas@gmail.com> wrote:
Any accusation without solid proof should not discussed in our forum,
It will dishonour our forum in front of the intelligentsia and the general public.
Please do not start any topic which is unwanted.
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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
 Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

A "political discussion" thread has been started to discuss Arundhati Roy's latest statements on PM Modi.

<excerpt>
"What he [Modi] will be called upon to do is not to attack Muslims, it will be to sort out what is going on in the forests, to sweep out the resistance and hand over land to the mining and infrastructure corporations. He has been chosen as the man who does not blink in the face of bloodshed, not just Muslim bloodshed but any bloodshed."

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