Dear Sh Sarajitji,it is just not even imaginable for me utter any such thing about you. When someone made critical comment about AAP/AK and was tried be silenced through manipilated membership drive that I commented that everyone has a right to express one's views. If AK enjoyed the right to be critical of others,for right or wrong or mixed reasons,and challenged their established mass base,we upheld that right,and hence,in the same vein, we wish people to uphold the right of the people to pick holes into immaturish/dubious governance methods of AAP/AK,the mad/manipulated acceleration in their mass base notwithstanding. Some people blindly jump the bandwagon, and some rats vanish away from a sinking ship. The tables can turn on anyone any time ,be one a rooky or a rustam. Mass hysteria knows no wisdom. So,Sh Sarabjitji,it should be clear as to who all need to pay heed to my wise counsel. In mansa, vacha,karmna,all, I aspire to be transparent,and congruent. There is no ambition of any sort,there is no hidden agenda of any nature.And surely no malice towards anyone at all. SPM
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Dear Sant ji
I trust you were not referring to undersigned as "power drunk character alone who wouldn't allow space to others to voice their views."(see http:///rti4citizens.blogspot.in/ ) and has many voices even from our opponents (slowly they are drifting back <wink>).
The only people who seem to be unrepresented here are the Congress.
Sarbajit
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:08 PM, <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
It would be a power drunk character alone who wouldn't allow space to others to voice their views. It was the premise of the protagonist to allow space to one having independent views.what a ridiculous way to have double standards now to dosallow such a space to others! Would someone call my worthy batchmate Ms Kiran Bedi jealous person(but not a (jealot) when an experienced hand like her questions the foolishness of trivialising Governance/decentralised democracuy by having one-to-million approachof DARBAR,in a wholluy feudal style,and still call it a people-oriented approach? All our life we have been trying to create institutiona"ised mechanisms to see that things not only don't go wrong but even the "right" is done in an ongoing excellent way. A whole scheme of computer-compatible(now even mobile-technoly enabled)systems are evolving,and getting improved. Its a dedicated silent effort that is not done with overt street smartness and gets no media coverage. There is little shouting about high level professional work worth millions of man hours of intelligent hard work. Against the pitch dark backdrop of high profile corruption of last few years and irritating petty corruption(that happens tons of time)--for which variety of counter responses have emerged,and are emerging anew--that the evolution of new outfit with promises of freebies has emerged. I'm prepared,with all 43 years of my public service experience,and twenty years of scholarly research work to back me,to take on any one(I mean any one) wrt to "great governance systems" and response to "civilisational issues". There was a guy who asked for comassionate consideration and mercy,on account of having become an orphan after(wait now pl)having killed one's parents. Now no one needs to make foolish/outlandish announcements of freebies,without first getting appropriation of funds through Assembly(public approval as parlamentary/constitutional scheme of things) Several political outfits have manipulated numbers,through emotional appeals,and not through scientific/rational means. But long term governance(that means also constructive employment; creation of sustainable development in primary/secondary/tertiary sectors; constant improvement of infrastrucure; provision of public goods,and whole lot of Sovereign functions) is a different ball game altogether. Its not oversimplistic goody-goody hunky dory mediai savvy job. I've infact warned my friends in the new outfit against euphoria and misleading media-generated effervescence of public mood.Reality check could-and does-give sudden rude shock to even any well-meaning person/outfit. Just wait and watch,is the sane counnsel. SP Mathur IPS DGP(retd) Chennai BE MBA PhD Lead Ayditor ISO Certification,and research scholar in Knowledge Management area (918939860929)
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RE: [IAC#RG] Aam aadmi party's helpline to help whom ?
Really fed up with seeing pain killer kind of solutions for the terminal illness being faced. Bring back black money, transaction tax, strong lokpal all are mere injunctions.requirment first is identify disease. That is role government in citizens life.A ruler ,a government was the creation for the purpose of avoiding conflicts between
On Jan 12, 2014 6:01 PM, "M.N.Seshadri" <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes taxing expenditure rather than income is one of ways we can reduce accumulation of black money. Just 2 % of tax for every expenditure by a citizen will completely eliminate black money. PC is having a great time with enormous income to the exchequer due to service tax on telecommunication. Almost every man has a cell phone and he pays a lot of money to the central Govt without realizing that he is paying !! so in this modern IT age we can ensure that every time money changes hands 2 to 3 % SHOULD reach the Govt. Gazana . We can then abolish Sales tax , then those who inspect compliance of sale tax who are all ( almost 100% of them are corrupt and loaded with black money ), . All we need is to have the mechanism to compulsorily ensure recording of all expenditure with proper mechanism to immediately transfer the expenditure tax to the Govt as is happening in telephones /cell phone etc .including the local grocery shop and even the fruit dealer on carts !! Cash transactions on real estate deals should be abolished.
We need not have 500 Rs and 1000Rs notes at all . they should be withdrawn immediately .
But I am dreaming !! No political party , except perhaps AAP will agree !! Without Black money the cadres of all political parties will be starving and Tasmac sale will be just 10 % of to day !! We need a revolution . . God should help . Seshadri
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It is better to introduce Expenditure Tax, instead of Income Tax. It is easy to monitor the expenditure, and only right to tax it, instesd of taxing incomes. Abolition of income tax, would remove the urge of most people to go for parking their funds in any black money. Moreover, maintainance of large staffs of income tax department can well be reduced drastically. It is time to recognize the fact that citizens who save money, and place the same at the disposal of the Nation, render a useful national service. They need to be rewarded, by protecting their savings, that are currently being watered down by inflation. The prevailing inflationary climate rewards the Borrowers. They are able to pay back watered down principal amounts of loans, and are often real gainers, even after paying interest. To be fair, the Savings as well as Loans, should first be indexed to published inflation rates, interests rates applied thereon.
2. Use of black money can be drasstically reduced by banning all CASH trasactions, beyond a certain limit, in most of day to day business. It should be completely banned in all propery dealings. There should then be little or no need of high denomination currency, that is handy for all illegal and black money dealings.
3. Creation of wealth should be considered a national service. Big tax payers should be respected and publically honoured, so as to encourage every one to add to national wealth.
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Aam aadmi party's helpline to help whom ?While what has been suggested is laudable, the point is, that is for the first time a political party is attempting to deal with rampant corruption ALL OVER INDIA. We read in the news papers almost daily that an RTO was trapped, Money unaccounted confiscated at the offices of Sub Registrars dealing with registration of real estate changing hands and so on.. This a daily occurrence .
Has any of us bothered to find out " What happened Next " We can effectively control corruption very quickly and with ease if we insist on quick follow up action which should be transparent. Almost all such cases are pending in courts the culprit , in the mean time is back in his job after getting bail !! And he continues getting the bribe !! The vigilance guys and the prosecutor also are loaded with black money !! One of my very good friends tells me that this practice of taking MAMOOLS has been there from time immemorial!! A village officer who is a custodian of land records and who used to be paid around 15 Rs a month, ( during the Br. Raj ) and this post is normally held in the family used to be allowed to take BAKSHIS for his prompt help of giving the info, copies of document and even advice regarding the transaction and so on. This was acceptable to all. I have personal experience of this in my village. But after we got our own people ( As against the British )ruling us as expected all record keepers were given permanent jobs with PF and parity in pay, perks and allowances , but continued to demand BAKSHIS depending upon the value of the real estate ! I am told that the Sub Registrars demand a percentage of the real estate deal . If a deal is around 10 crores as per official record ( the actual deal including Black money could be any where near almost 20 crores!! ) the bribe money could be anywhere near 10 Lakhs all in currency notes in high denomination. This expenditure is included by the lawyer assisting the transaction under the head "under table Money " and accepted as a matter of course. So all these bribe takers are loaded with black money , become rather rich and their bulk of the income kept in black or as is happening today goes back to our Govt, via TASMAC !!!
One very well informed friend of mine told me that all these vigilance guys as well the police assisting them to trap bribe takers also become rich as they , after some time negotiate with the accused for dropping cases !!! So the issue is very complex. Needs very careful examination for changing. AAP cannot overnight claim to eliminate this kind of activities without the help of CENTRAL GOVT. The menace of black money is the main cause for INFLATION and CORRUPTION. If an official is loaded with lots of black ,money he would not hesitate to pay even double or treble the prevailing rate for any essential commodity, and if a vendor gets such a price even from one man he will try and push up the price .
There is no point in asking people to call the help line and plan a sting operation. Sting operation will have to go through legal process . The first day AAP got 4000 calls . How can any Govt. handle such a situation ? This is certainly not the ideal way . Khejriwal needs to learn quickly. Even though as on date he is the CM of Delhi, he should continue to be an ACTIVIST and insist on eliminating the black money at every stage at all levels. Cash transactions should be completely eliminated. As a start withdraw all 500 and 1000 Rs. Notes with our private citizens and give them a receipt. If the source is not satisfactorily explained well he will not only lose the money but is also liable to prosecuted. Such cases should be dealt with most promptly and with great speed. Special courts ( even mobile on the roads ) should be formed. All these cases should be tried in the open just the way we in the Army holds Summary trials.
The poor common man is not likely to be affected one bit if high denomination notes are withdrawn . ( FOR EVER )
All those who sell goods even on push carts should be trained handle checks and cards. If we can give a machine to the bus conductors why not to these vendors. With Adhar cards getting popular cash handling should be brought down to minimum .
We will see our money value going up to Rs 4 a dollar !!!
I would request those who receive this long mail reach it to Khejriwal, Anna, Chidamabaram , Modi and Rahul. I am 87 , cannot handle face book etc!!Thanks Seshadri
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Aam aadmi party's helpline to help whom ?
Aam aadmi party's move to open anti corruption helpline and its claim that 4000 calls in 7 hours have been received , may not help in curbing corruption effectively but will certainly help aam aadmi party in getting media
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Aam aadmi party's helpline to help whom ?
Aam aadmi party's move to open anti corruption helpline and its claim that 4000 calls in 7 hours have been received , may not help in curbing corruption effectively but will certainly help aam aadmi party in getting media glare, which it seems to want desperately.
This AAP's helpline is nothing new , as vigilance departments are functioning in all government departments and public sector undertakings already and they are meant to receive complaints of corruption, investigate them and take action if the complaints are justified. People are entitled to send complaints to the vigilance department already and several NGOs already publicise the corruption dealings in newspapers and journals and in social media. What is it that AAP's helpline will achieve more than these existing arrangement ?
AAP receiving 4000 calls in seven hours is not a big achievement but solving the corruption issues received through these calls will be an achievement. These 4000 calls may become 40000 calls in one week and 4 lakh calls in one month. Is AAP government capable of handling these calls and catching the corrupt people in reasonable time ? The fact is that there are already many corruption allegations with the vigilance departments remaining unsolved. Why not AAP government look into these first ?
When complaints are received in AAP's helpline, it has to investigate only through the existing vigilance departments. What is needed is to strengthen these vigilance departments and make them more active and honest which can be done by efficient and honest ministers over a period of time.
By making tall claims about AAP's helpline, the inexperienced leaders of AAP are giving an impression as if they are going to solve the corruption issue over night. This would not only be a misleading claim but would cause huge disappointment amongst people who take AAP's claim at face value.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Aam aadmi party’s helpline to help whom ?
Dear Brig (Retd.) Saxena
Let me appreciate your frank outburst.
You clearly recognise the problems India faces, which is a start.
Now let me give you my equally frank analysis of why you are quite
frankly wrong. Corruption is NOT the problem India faces. It is simply
a convenient descriptor to conjure up images to agitate and misguide
the public.
1) What India faces now is a threat to its very nationhood, its
existence and our ancient way of life.
2) The forces which attack us are primarily (and broadly) the A)
US-led Judeo-Christians (NATO) B) The Chinese C) Forces of Islam
(Europeans, incl. Russians are traders and arms suppliers who sell to
all sides)
3) India forms the 4th (and weakest) limb of the axis. As you know, in
war, unless the weakling finds a powerful ally, he is gobbled up.
INDIA today has NO ALLIES from the 3 above. You are seeing how US is
gobbling up the Middle Eastern nations for their oil.
4) The first step in war is to make your enemy economically weak and
unable to sustain a long war. India is now past that stage. Our
economy is FUCKED and our banks have been so banged up by crony
capitalists that there is nothing left in their coffers Indians are
not fools, which is why demand for gold continues unabated. The
currency of the future is OIL and ENERGY. - We don't have it. The war
being fought today is primarily an economic one - and we are losing
very badly. We are losing because we are now a nation of consumers to
buy imported goods on CREDIT. Our resources (like iron ore) are being
sold off at dirt cheap prices to foreigners to process and sell back
to us at 20 times the price. Our value to US is only as a client state
- once we can't pay we will be destroyed.
5) Our nation's manufacturing capability has been driven into the
ground You know very well that the Indian Army cannot fight a war with
China today Admit it and lets not divert this discussion into
Pakistan.
6) You are needlessly talking about poor people, lack of sanitation,
education etc. I disagree that I am in any way responsible for this.
Please don't make allegations you cannot prove and which are frankly
untrue. We know very well who is responsible for this - lets call a
spade a spade - BIMARU states in which HINDUS breed like rabbits and
go and pollute other less densely populated States of India by their
very presence. You know very well that these bloody populist schemes
like MNREGA which are drafted in USA by CIA are only to make rural
Indians so lazy in a welfare state that they are not prepared to work.
You know very well that quality of raw recruits into Indian Army is at
its worst since this fucking MNREGA started and is causing population
in BIMARU states to grow at 5 times the national average. You know
very well how the Russians deal with such problems, but Indian Army is
too squeamish unlike the Russians (or Chinese).
Now about AAP
If you say want 10 crore people to join AAP, what you actually mean is
that AAP should get 100 crores by way of membership fees. (More fool
you).
Arvind Kejriwal is a creature and creation of the foreign financed
Congress + BJP axis - everything he does is scripted from abroad.
They are masters of double-speak - on the one hand AAP rails in public
about Mukesh Ambani and Reliance - but the people who know them the
best - ie. judges of Supreme Court - have passed scathing orders
saying that this gang are "stool pigeons" of Reliance. [Judgement
dated 5 November 2013] Please find it a read it. The same gang
incidentally provided legal aid to Gen V.K.Singh and fought his case
in Supreme Court (and of course VKS lost).
Please understand this very clearly, ---> a) IAC is not AAP. 2) IAC
does not make false promises or offer false hope. 3) IAC does not give
a rats arse about poor people and their problems - that is for the
so-called "Aam Aadmi" party, IAC stands for INDIA - ie. "REPUBLIC of
HINDUSTAN" - so henceforth lets talk about this if you are a patriot
of Hindustan.
Sarbajit
On 1/11/14, vijay saxena <saxena_1949@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Most of us in India are only talkers counselors or commentators. Here is one
> man, Arvind Kejriwal, who has the guts, drive,will and courage to take on
> the entire political system, at one go, and has been able to show to the
> entire nation that it is possible. I fail to understand as to why everyone
> has got after his blood with imaginary ghosts. Give him some time, say at
> least a year before writing his report card. I am amazed at some of the
> reporters saying that " its been 7 days and people are not getting the
> promised water". How absurd is this statement.When we see some light of
> hope, truthfulness, propriety, lets all, for Gods sake, join in and give him
> a boost, encouragement and full support. I request all well meaning ,
> educated Indians to join in this movement. He is targeting 1 crore members,
> lets give him 10 crore members, by 26 January. At least I am working towards
> and giving it my best shot.When else will we stand up for the country, that
> we have ruined in just 64 years.Why else are our people uneducated, poor,
> undernourished, without shelter, potable water, basic civic amenities and
> the state that they are in.You and I are all totally responsible and party
> to this mismanagement.This is a very frank outburst from my heart.
Let me appreciate your frank outburst.
You clearly recognise the problems India faces, which is a start.
Now let me give you my equally frank analysis of why you are quite
frankly wrong. Corruption is NOT the problem India faces. It is simply
a convenient descriptor to conjure up images to agitate and misguide
the public.
1) What India faces now is a threat to its very nationhood, its
existence and our ancient way of life.
2) The forces which attack us are primarily (and broadly) the A)
US-led Judeo-Christians (NATO) B) The Chinese C) Forces of Islam
(Europeans, incl. Russians are traders and arms suppliers who sell to
all sides)
3) India forms the 4th (and weakest) limb of the axis. As you know, in
war, unless the weakling finds a powerful ally, he is gobbled up.
INDIA today has NO ALLIES from the 3 above. You are seeing how US is
gobbling up the Middle Eastern nations for their oil.
4) The first step in war is to make your enemy economically weak and
unable to sustain a long war. India is now past that stage. Our
economy is FUCKED and our banks have been so banged up by crony
capitalists that there is nothing left in their coffers Indians are
not fools, which is why demand for gold continues unabated. The
currency of the future is OIL and ENERGY. - We don't have it. The war
being fought today is primarily an economic one - and we are losing
very badly. We are losing because we are now a nation of consumers to
buy imported goods on CREDIT. Our resources (like iron ore) are being
sold off at dirt cheap prices to foreigners to process and sell back
to us at 20 times the price. Our value to US is only as a client state
- once we can't pay we will be destroyed.
5) Our nation's manufacturing capability has been driven into the
ground You know very well that the Indian Army cannot fight a war with
China today Admit it and lets not divert this discussion into
Pakistan.
6) You are needlessly talking about poor people, lack of sanitation,
education etc. I disagree that I am in any way responsible for this.
Please don't make allegations you cannot prove and which are frankly
untrue. We know very well who is responsible for this - lets call a
spade a spade - BIMARU states in which HINDUS breed like rabbits and
go and pollute other less densely populated States of India by their
very presence. You know very well that these bloody populist schemes
like MNREGA which are drafted in USA by CIA are only to make rural
Indians so lazy in a welfare state that they are not prepared to work.
You know very well that quality of raw recruits into Indian Army is at
its worst since this fucking MNREGA started and is causing population
in BIMARU states to grow at 5 times the national average. You know
very well how the Russians deal with such problems, but Indian Army is
too squeamish unlike the Russians (or Chinese).
Now about AAP
If you say want 10 crore people to join AAP, what you actually mean is
that AAP should get 100 crores by way of membership fees. (More fool
you).
Arvind Kejriwal is a creature and creation of the foreign financed
Congress + BJP axis - everything he does is scripted from abroad.
They are masters of double-speak - on the one hand AAP rails in public
about Mukesh Ambani and Reliance - but the people who know them the
best - ie. judges of Supreme Court - have passed scathing orders
saying that this gang are "stool pigeons" of Reliance. [Judgement
dated 5 November 2013] Please find it a read it. The same gang
incidentally provided legal aid to Gen V.K.Singh and fought his case
in Supreme Court (and of course VKS lost).
Please understand this very clearly, ---> a) IAC is not AAP. 2) IAC
does not make false promises or offer false hope. 3) IAC does not give
a rats arse about poor people and their problems - that is for the
so-called "Aam Aadmi" party, IAC stands for INDIA - ie. "REPUBLIC of
HINDUSTAN" - so henceforth lets talk about this if you are a patriot
of Hindustan.
Sarbajit
On 1/11/14, vijay saxena <saxena_1949@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Most of us in India are only talkers counselors or commentators. Here is one
> man, Arvind Kejriwal, who has the guts, drive,will and courage to take on
> the entire political system, at one go, and has been able to show to the
> entire nation that it is possible. I fail to understand as to why everyone
> has got after his blood with imaginary ghosts. Give him some time, say at
> least a year before writing his report card. I am amazed at some of the
> reporters saying that " its been 7 days and people are not getting the
> promised water". How absurd is this statement.When we see some light of
> hope, truthfulness, propriety, lets all, for Gods sake, join in and give him
> a boost, encouragement and full support. I request all well meaning ,
> educated Indians to join in this movement. He is targeting 1 crore members,
> lets give him 10 crore members, by 26 January. At least I am working towards
> and giving it my best shot.When else will we stand up for the country, that
> we have ruined in just 64 years.Why else are our people uneducated, poor,
> undernourished, without shelter, potable water, basic civic amenities and
> the state that they are in.You and I are all totally responsible and party
> to this mismanagement.This is a very frank outburst from my heart.
RE: [IAC#RG] [HRCARI] HOW TO DESTROY A SACRED COUNTRY At the wink of our enemy.
India is a country where any one can aspire to be PM. They probably feel that easiest job in India is to be PM which does not have any requirement for the job to lead, administer, and defend a great country. Jaya lalitha and her cohorts think the she is qualified to assume the Prime Minister JOB in New Delhi. She may be thinking that if the country allows an uneducated catholic lady to assume the leadership of the anti-National party, why Jai Lalitha could not be the PM?
It is just like an American Clinical Psychologist samenow has coined the term "Criminal Thinking Errors". Most of us have experienced "THINKING ERRORS" in life, but have not acted on them, or if we have, we eventually realized our mistakes and adjusted our thinking and behavior. Indian corrupt and criminal politicians want to join with our enemy and want to destroy our sacred culture, spiritual religion and the nation.
However, rather than adjust her or his thinking thing errors and anti-social, deviant and self-destructive behaviors, India's criminal and corrupt politicians often goes further into criminal thinking errors to avoid responsibility and accountability for their destructive behaviors. Tamil Tigers,Maoist violence, Jihadi terrorism, same sex marriage, corcive religious conversion, inflation,loss of jobs, corruption loss of one's freedom, are the results of unquestioned THINKING ERRORS and subsequent anti-social, destructive deviant behaviors of our stupid, corrupt, anti-national political leader. I wonder, why Hindus are electing and retaining such corrupt political leaders to rule us?
Hindus have been under torture, oppression, subjugation, discrimination, brainwashing, indoctrination for thousands of years by Muslims and European Christians. They have produced ant Hindu, anti national political leaders through out India. For example Mayavathy and Mulayam Singh Yadav of UP. lalu Prasad Yadav and Nitish Kumar of Bihar Jaya Lalitha and Karunanidhi of Tamil Nadu, Kejariwal of Delhi, K.M.Mani of Kerala. The enemy list is not exhaustive. I could name several others hiding India as our enemy agents. These scoundrels, vagabonds, and criminals are ready and willing to cooperate with our enemies to work as agents for a bowl of chicken soup. s They are lavishly praised by our enemies and our enemy media,
Tamil Nadu government headed by Jaya Lalitha has agreed to distribute condoms in High schools. Use of condom will enable teen age girls and boys to engage in premarital sex, and increase our lesbianism, h0mo sexual acts, sodmomy, and same sex marriage. Our politicians went on to say that we are are for freedom for teengaers. Another criminal thinking error.
Hindus have been standing as a giant elephant on our enemies march against us. They know how to remove the big elephant standing on their way. Tamil Tigers, Violent Maoists, Jihadi terrorism, Coercive religious conversion, Teen age sex before they are ready for marriage are part of our enemies cunning strategies to destroy our culture and country.
Foe our efforts to be effective, it is not enough that we identify criminal thinking errors and deviant acts of our criminal politicians. Every thinking errors of our corrupt politicians and goons must be identified and understood. Elect MODI as our next Prime MINISTER . He is the only personality we have at this time with a mission and vision. Other criminal and corrupt political leaders think of ways to overcome getting caught and focuses on developing further strategies to manipulate, mentally misdirect and misguide us to do bizarre and anti-national acts. They can be easily lured into doing deviant works as agents of our enemies. They create social, political, economic problems for us. They are agent provocateurs to destroy our higher thinking, spiritual culture and the great nation
All it needs support of vested interests who can divide the voters and bribe by cash or promises or inculcate fear to get the winning edge.
Babu Suseelan
On Sunday, 12 January 2014, 10:01, S. Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@gmail.com> wrote:
http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2014/01/a-matter-of-honour-many-aspirants-to-pm.html
--
S. Kalyanaraman
A matter of honour says Mulayam Singh Yadav.
That brings together an impressive tally of aspirants who want to become PM after Manmohan reportedly resigns in a few days in response to a likely SC obiter dicta on Coalgate.
The list:
Narendra Modi
Rahul Gandhi
Sharad Pawar
Arvind Kejriwal
Kumar Vishwas
Mulayam Singh Yadav
J. Jayalalithaa
...
I am politically naive. Name of Sharad Pawar may be only as interim PM before the polls announcing the disbanding of SoniaG Congress.
I am sure more names will be added to the list by poll pundits and columnists who crystal-gaze -- pontificating with their advice and guidance on governing a state.
I exclude the candidates preferred by Uncle Sam, the likes of Nilekani or Ahluwalia or even Raghuram Rajan as list of caretakers of US interests everywhere, certainly India. Any insights from Ford Foundation?
What will Pranab Babu's take be on all this?
Kalyanaraman
That brings together an impressive tally of aspirants who want to become PM after Manmohan reportedly resigns in a few days in response to a likely SC obiter dicta on Coalgate.
The list:
Narendra Modi
Rahul Gandhi
Sharad Pawar
Arvind Kejriwal
Kumar Vishwas
Mulayam Singh Yadav
J. Jayalalithaa
...
I am politically naive. Name of Sharad Pawar may be only as interim PM before the polls announcing the disbanding of SoniaG Congress.
I am sure more names will be added to the list by poll pundits and columnists who crystal-gaze -- pontificating with their advice and guidance on governing a state.
I exclude the candidates preferred by Uncle Sam, the likes of Nilekani or Ahluwalia or even Raghuram Rajan as list of caretakers of US interests everywhere, certainly India. Any insights from Ford Foundation?
What will Pranab Babu's take be on all this?
Kalyanaraman
S. Kalyanaraman
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Re: [IAC#RG] Aam aadmi party’s helpline to help whom ?
It would be a power drunk character alone who wouldn't allow space to others to voice their views. It was the premise of the protagonist to allow space to one having independent views.what a ridiculous way to have double standards now to dosallow such a space to others! Would someone call my worthy batchmate Ms Kiran Bedi jealous person(but not a (jealot) when an experienced hand like her questions the foolishness of trivialising Governance/decentralised democracuy by having one-to-million approachof DARBAR,in a wholluy feudal style,and still call it a people-oriented approach? All our life we have been trying to create institutiona"ised mechanisms to see that things not only don't go wrong but even the "right" is done in an ongoing excellent way. A whole scheme of computer-compatible(now even mobile-technoly enabled)systems are evolving,and getting improved. Its a dedicated silent effort that is not done with overt street smartness and gets no media coverage. There is little shouting about high level professional work worth millions of man hours of intelligent hard work. Against the pitch dark backdrop of high profile corruption of last few years and irritating petty corruption(that happens tons of time)--for which variety of counter responses have emerged,and are emerging anew--that the evolution of new outfit with promises of freebies has emerged. I'm prepared,with all 43 years of my public service experience,and twenty years of scholarly research work to back me,to take on any one(I mean any one) wrt to "great governance systems" and response to "civilisational issues". There was a guy who asked for comassionate consideration and mercy,on account of having become an orphan after(wait now pl)having killed one's parents. Now no one needs to make foolish/outlandish announcements of freebies,without first getting appropriation of funds through Assembly(public approval as parlamentary/constitutional scheme of things) Several political outfits have manipulated numbers,through emotional appeals,and not through scientific/rational means. But long term governance(that means also constructive employment; creation of sustainable development in primary/secondary/tertiary sectors; constant improvement of infrastrucure; provision of public goods,and whole lot of Sovereign functions) is a different ball game altogether. Its not oversimplistic goody-goody hunky dory mediai savvy job. I've infact warned my friends in the new outfit against euphoria and misleading media-generated effervescence of public mood.Reality check could-and does-give sudden rude shock to even any well-meaning person/outfit. Just wait and watch,is the sane counnsel. SP Mathur IPS DGP(retd) Chennai BE MBA PhD Lead Ayditor ISO Certification,and research scholar in Knowledge Management area (918939860929)
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Re: [IAC#RG] Aam aadmi party’s helpline to help whom ?
गली गली से आई आवाज,
गिरगिट कि तरह रंग बदले वो केजरीवाल॥
गिरगिट कि तरह रंग बदले वो केजरीवाल॥
Manmohan
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
ToIndia Against corruptionAam aadmi party's helpline to help whom ?
Aam aadmi party's move to open anti corruption helpline and its claim that 4000 calls in 7 hours have been received , may not help in curbing corruption effectively but will certainly help aam aadmi party in getting media glare, which it seems to want desperately.
This AAP's helpline is nothing new , as vigilance departments are functioning in all government departments and public sector undertakings already and they are meant to receive complaints of corruption, investigate them and take action if the complaints are justified. People are entitled to send complaints to the vigilance department already and several NGOs already publicise the corruption dealings in newspapers and journals and in social media. What is it that AAP's helpline will achieve more than these existing arrangement ?
AAP receiving 4000 calls in seven hours is not a big achievement but solving the corruption issues received through these calls will be an achievement. These 4000 calls may become 40000 calls in one week and 4 lakh calls in one month. Is AAP government capable of handling these calls and catching the corrupt people in reasonable time ? The fact is that there are already many corruption allegations with the vigilance departments remaining unsolved. Why not AAP government look into these first ?
When complaints are received in AAP's helpline, it has to investigate only through the existing vigilance departments. What is needed is to strengthen these vigilance departments and make them more active and honest which can be done by efficient and honest ministers over a period of time.
By making tall claims about AAP's helpline, the inexperienced leaders of AAP are giving an impression as if they are going to solve the corruption issue over night. This would not only be a misleading claim but would cause huge disappointment amongst people who take AAP's claim at face value.
N.S.Venkataraman
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