Dear All,
While Sarbjeet may be correctly claiming his ownership, on the IAC movement, by virtue of historical facts and we must acknowledge this. However, I would suggest him to also accept the ground reality that IAC caught up big momentum, only with Anna & team spearheading the movement, followed with Arvind, Kiran and the General VK etc. Everyone is an important link of this chain formed by the IAC ideology. When the movement succeeds, the time shall give due recognition to all who contributed to it.
Corrupt politicians and administrators are putting their best efforts to break this chain. Let us not allow the corrupt to be successful by using different sets of IAC activists, for the witch-hunting and cross alleging among the different IAC movement teams.
We can reach a point of understanding with the thought that the organizations are built and sustained by its heritage and not by personalities. Tomorrow we shall have someone else taking over Sarbajit, Anna and Arvind with a bigger appeal and reasons. I appeal to all IAC ideology people to join up for the common cause of eradicating the nose deep corruption from India, please.
Warm regards
Capt. Ashok Bajpai
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To: Suneel Prasad; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP
Dear Mr. Sarabjeet,
Thanks for your reply regarding IAC, for IAC and on behalf of IAC.
There is no doubt at all that you peoples are the genius guys and working for the welfare of common peoples of India and also patriotic citizens!
Would you be agree that --
-- The IAC came in the notice of peoples when 2010 andolan was organized at large scale in Delhi.
-- The supporters and volunteers themselves join the hand with IAC.
-- When IAC get the support of the volunteers and citizens it become much known to Indian peoples as well as to the foreigners.
-- IAC become famous at towns & village level throughout India and abroad too.
-- IAC was a non-political move in starting but when there was no outcome from dharna's then IAC openly went against Congress.
-- What IAC get acknowledgements from people was the same IAC and everybody (including Arvind Kejriwal) was the part of IAC.
-- It was a common decision after there was not outcome of a long fight and dharnas till 2012 (all common) to give it a political name (at the time of declaration Anna and Gen. Singh was with Arvind).
-- The formation of a political party was not a decision of Arvind only but of Anna too (in the instance that he will be a neutral).
-- Now, How IAC could go in the hands of few peoples (although we don't have any objections) and where is that IAC about which I talked point to point above.
Would you please satisfy me that is this the same IAC (if yes) then without Anna... and if (with Anna) then why it goes so slow and uniffective in the absence of Arvind & Party?
The question is not that I should quit (as volunteer) from IAC or not? The question is that what has been the aim of IAC in further course of action.
regards
Girendra Singh, New Delhi
On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:21 AM, Suneel Prasad <suneelskp@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can some one confirm that this really is the actual IAC group, that was the flag bearer of the IAC Movement till the formation of AAP.
Or is it just a front of some vested intrests, trying to sabotage the IAC Sprit through some legal nuance about use IAC name by some now defunct organisation (in some now irrelevant historical context)
Regards
Suneel Prasad
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP
Dear Kishor
As I have emailed you, I shall certainly clarify all these aspects but after the Delhi elections.
While I do not dispute your facts, you (and lakhs of other Indians who like me genuinely want a better clean India) are not aware of the happenings much much BEFORE August 2010 which led up to (and enabled) the anti-CWG anti-corruption campaign
I don't think you (by "you" I mean 99.999% of India) are at all aware of the solid groundwork which was put into fighting the legal cases to enable data and accounts of CWG to be ontained in RTI (over 700 hundred RTIs were filed by us) before August 2010.
I don't think you are aware of the 'dhoka' which was played on us,and on SD Sharma, and on Shivendra Chauhan and so many others by foreign financed traitors like Arvind and Kiran Bedi etc. who ensured that the corrupt elements in Congress and BJP involved in CWG got clean away with the money.
Finally the name India Against Corruption was being used well before 18.10.2010 when Arvind is said to have dreamed it up. Use google and see for yourself.
NB: The core committee had taken a decision very soon after we took over that IAC will not have any Facebook page, as it is impossible to verify the identity of people and poses a security threat to our activists and their lives. FB accounts are also easily manipulated by Facebook as Shivendra Chauhan found out to his horror when Arvind swallowed his page. So, IAC is only on RISEUP and we are not bothered about Facebook. Only national newspapers or PTI etc. get legal notices / rejoinders from us for misrepresenting IAC.
Sarbajit
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbjit Ji,
I am still waiting for the answer that who were they, who decides that you will be the national convenor .. As littile i know is that on August 10,2010 Shivendra Singh chouhan wrote a blog and appeal people to start a Kali patti compaign against corruption in commonwealth game.. This is the link of that article.. कॉमनवेल्थ में काली पट्टी and he started a facebook page with the name Commonwealth jhel, which is still there.. and when the games over, he made another facebook page to fight against corruption, which was known as India Against Corruption on date Oct 18, 2010 and also wrote article about that in november here is the link..कोशिश तो करें - खत्म होगा करप्शनMr. Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi and other also started working with it..Anna ji, Baba Ramdev Ji, Dr. Subramanian Swamy ji were also shared stage at Ramlila Maidan..
Later there is a rift between Kejriwal ji and other people because of egoistic nature of him... kejriwal ji started a Party and all others felt not to join party because they wanted to be apolitical.. Now i just want to know that what is the status of India Against Corruption and How you are here with this name.. also want to know who is managing Facebook page of India Against Corruption..?? I think its the same people with shivendra singh chouhan ji who were managing the FB page in initial days..
regards..
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
The present IAC was given its name in 1973 when the old body was renamed.
Oct 18.2010 was the notional date of a call given by Sri Sri, Vincent Concessao, Mahmood Madani and others to oppose the Govt's LokPal Bill. All these Congress people only did it for the paid media once the CWG Games were over on 14th Oct. So don't you dare refer to this date with us.
The name you ask for has been openly disclosed by me as far back as Nov 2012.
http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2012/11/hum-re-indiaagainstcorruption-iac.htmlThere is only one IAC (a component part of HRA) and HRA allowed IAC's banner and platform to be used for 2011-12 anti-CWG andolan but which was hijacked by haramis for JanLokPal Bill fraud to fool the public of India.
I don't know about Shivendra Singh Chauhan - never met him or spoke to him - somebody told me yesterday that he has joined BJP along with Mahesh Giri etc. so good luck to them.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbjit Ji,
As you said "I had withdrawn in Aug 2010 after disagreeing with certain decisions to induct known rogues into the 'andolan' coupled with a refusal to handover core documents unearthed about CWG scams to these rascals."
I think India Against Corruption name was given in October 18, 2010. So that time India Against Corruption was no where. ( I am not saying about the Old India Against Corruption which exist even before independence)
At that time this movement was on the facebook with the name "Commonwealth Jhel" and was administrating by Shivendra Singh Chouhan..
and may i know who called you to take over as National Convenor.(acting) till 26.11.2012 when Aam Aadmi Party (name not frozen) would be constituted?
I know that an organization with the same name "India Against Corruption" exist even before independence, but this movement has nothing to do with it. It was started by a facebook page by Shivendra Singh Chouhan. earlier it was named as "Commonwealth Jhel" and later after commonwealth game it was named as "India Against Corruption"
Kindly Enlighten me about ur views on it.
regards.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Barthwal
You have asked a valid question, which has been replied many times
before but nonetheless shall be replied again, even if it bores,
irritates and confuses everybody else.
I was recalled to IAC by the lawful owners of the IAC title/banner on
17.Oct.2012. Previously I had withdrawn in Aug 2010 after disagreeing
with certain decisions to induct known rogues into the 'andolan'
coupled with a refusal to handover core documents unearthed about CWG
scams to these rascals.
On 26th Oct 2012 at 2:18 AM I was informed that I would be immediately
taking over as National Convenor.(acting) till 26.11.2012 when Aam
Aadmi Party (name not frozen) would be constituted.
The persons who recalled me are great patriots with ancient secular
revolutionary spirit being armed with the sword of righteousness and
the determination to always keep foreigners out of the motherland and
to maintain British India as "Hindustan.
Sarbajit
On 11/25/13, Kishor Barthwal <k.barthwal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbjit Roy,
>
> I am little bit confused.. I don't know who made Mr. Sarbjit Roy a National
> Convenor of India Against Corruption..
> I am not alleging it, but just want to know..
> Kindly enlighten me..
--kishor barthwal
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Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP
If one has to learn from history, it can be found that intellectuals can never be leaders.
Only a mediocre like Gandhi, or a Hitler can be leaders to confuse people and gain popularity.
99.9999 % of the so called leaders presently in politics or other so called anti political groups are cheats.
Just wait till they crushed under their own mountain of follies. Then some one will come up!!
Mohan
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ashok.bajpai <ashok.bajpai@moserbaer.in> wrote:
Sunday, December 1, 2013
Re: [IAC#RG] A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship
Tadepalli
There is a need to stop blame game .These words sound big that democracy is akin to cutting the basic limb of the system . Now coming to the fact that in the democratic system as inherited by us from the Britishers after independence, the real culprit have been the bureaucrats . They have been be fooling both the politicians , mostly illiterate power hungry to amass wealth in the shortest possible time and the public .They have even made Politicians to be labelled as biggest culprits. Thus the entire governing system in our democratic system has been morphed by these scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the masses .
This way they have succeeded in making the masses lazy by extending all sorts of subsidies . But these masses too have become intelligent to bargain with the politicians for a bigger piece of cake in every deal through large number of power brokers working between the Administration and the public . This has been instrumental in perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre , shortsighted and favoritism ridden persons and has produced characters who wield AUTHORITY with out RESPONSIBILITY. There is need to add another dimension no TRANSPARENCY .
None of these solutions like nominating Warriors and Veterans to all Lawmaking bodies from Gram Panchayat inwards will work unless these three elements are embedded in the governing system at all levels . The cities will become clean with zero potholes .Corruption will get minimized . Every person be a Minister or a peon in the Administrative system will be scared of getting caught and punished for their illicit acts..
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Respected Sri Tadepalli Triampakishore,Apropos to your feedback on the subject. Unfortunately, we are not electing honest and committed Parliamentarians, Legislators, Municipal Councilors, Ward Councilors/Members, Zilla Panchaayat Board Presidents etc., etc. Most of them are involved in some way in criminal cases, rape, amazed wealth through corrupt ways, most of them illiterate, not good Speakers (knowledgeable) to present/project the concern of atleast their own (respective) Constituencies in the appropriatve Forum i.e. Parliament or Assemblies leave alone National Interest, with the only sole intention of grooming their kith and kins to the fore etc., In therse circumstances, how can you expect sanity in Public Life.To sanitize the Parliament.Assemblies/Municipal Corporations/Panchayats, Men/Women of Honesty, Integrity and Commitment to the Nation/Citizens should occupy these August Bodies. None of the Political parties possess such candidates. The year 2011 saw rising such leaders who claim to be apolitical and demonstrated to cleanse the Administration. But their intentions and activities are under scrutiny of the public eye.There are so many very Enlightened Members with far sightedness in various walks of life in IAC or Indiaresists, India Rise Up Movements etc. All these very Enlightened Members should rise upto the occasion and enter the Parliament/Assemblies,Municipal Corporations. Panchayats by contesting as Independent candidate ( since these Movements want to remain apolitical). Ofcourse, it is not so easy to get elected to these August Bodies competing with the Political parties. By contesting elections as IAC Members, their presence/numbers will be felt by the Rulers and they cannot take it granted anything whatever they do.It is not out of place to mention here( Dr.) Sri K.L. Rao one of the very knowledgeable Civil Engineer and Specilist in Water Management, and Central Minister from Andhra Pradesh, prepared and submitted a Plan interlinking all Major Rivers in India (Garland Canal Project) to the Parliament headed by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in early or late 50s. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru as PM and a Prudent Nationlist Leader should have accepted the proposal in toto or modified in necessary in consultation with national consensus and given a big thrust to the Project. Had it been started by this time, major rivers would have been linked thus transferring surplus/flood waters to water starved Regions, (avoiding flood ravages) generating new irrigation canals, Hydro Power Stations, Navigation, providing Drinking Water to the Millions, converted unirregated lands to cultivable lands, increased the green cover by planting more trees through out the country which will again bring more rains, increased food production etc., etc.But, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru put it in the cold storage. There may be some objection from some States, but a Leader of a calibre like Nehru should have convinced and cleared the Project in the National Interest. Every year, we are experiencing Floods in one part of India and Waster Scarcity in another part of India. Due to shortfall in Rains, we find States fight each other on sharing the Waters and going to Courts.The need of the hour is the Govt. should be headed by Honest and Committed Leaders to usher in an era of probity/sanity in Public Life.With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
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Blaming Democracy is akin to cutting the limb/ branch we all are perched upon. Yes the Democratic system has been morphed by the scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the innocent masses. The feudalistic attitude of the power brokers and the servile attitude of the masses are the fuel mix perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre/ shortsighted/ favoritism ridden persons and has produced characters who wield authority with out responsibility. All so called socialists and nationalists and adherents of several ideologies(?) indulge in the same game of trying to get past the finish line by all means and succeeded in demonizing the Democracy.Are we as a nation incapable of regaining the moral fibre to put all corrupt where they belong. If we lack character as a community of Indians and praise false prophets and watch helplessly the pillars of Democracy being destroyed , may be we the people of India deserve to be wretched.One solution to avoid such an ignominy: nominate warriors and Veernaris to all Lawmaking bodies from gram panchayat , municipal corps! metro dev auth, legislatures LokSabha and Rajya sabha,at least proportional to their strength. Possibly this may bring sanity to our existence.Veteran TTK
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:Till today no one has asked Sheela Dixit that why no Politician /Officials responsible for plying of illegal buses in Delhi has been punished .
Delhi GovernmentChief MinisterTransport MinisterTransport CommissionerCentral GovernmentHome MinisterPolice CommissionerThey were the real culprit for that incident . That Bus was moving uninterrupted onthe road for hours together watched by policemen standing on the road.Brig JAGJIT SINGH AHUJAOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Veteran Col Shivraj for your response.Allow me to preempt a feeling I might have inadvertently created of , " being supportive of Nizams' reign" . The stress is sought to be on perpetuating a composite culture and accommodative politics of a multi faceted society. Further nature abhors exclusivity( the beautiful fauna and flora seen in Nature though beings of same ' feather' flock together others also share the space).Hope we will be spared from the self seeking onslaught of evil nexus of bad Babus/ politicians/ corporate and social criminals.May be some ,' Avatar' conforming to,' Sambhavami yugey yugey' delivers the Aam aadmi.Veteran TTK
On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Col Shivraj wrote:Dear Friends,I entirely & fully agree with Col TT Kishore.The Politicians supported by the media and bureaucrats have divided us at the drop of the hat. They will use any method to divide us like caste / creed / colour, North / South / East / West, educated / uneducated, urban / rural, men / women, advocates / rest, teachers / rest, haves / have nots. rich / poor, terms like middle class etc.In Delhi elections, all these terms are used to divide the voters, like Poorvanchalies, Punjabies,Teachers , Advocates, middle class etc depending upon the areas,We must look into the larger perspective and think of India as a whole.With modern technologies, when egovernance can produce better results, it will be wrong to further divide the states.For Delhi citizens, it is a very crucial election. Every voter must come out to vote. They must see the larger picture to form a stable Govt.regardsCol ShivrajOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
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Way back in 50 s a Hyderabad State was very much in existence and Nizams reign had a harmonious spectrum of Brahmins(Malayalam/Tamilians/Telugus/ Maharashtrians) Kayasthas,Merchant Princes( Marawaris/ Gujarathis/Kutchies/P unjabis/S indhis / indigenous Vysyas) , Reddis, Gouds( Anjiah Goud of Paradise talkies fame),Velamas,Rajput descendants ( claiming presence from Kakatiyas' period), various artisans ( goldsmiths/ stapathis/carpenters/ metal smiths) includingweavers ( Padmashalis)/Tailors/potters and indigenous folk artistes( having flavours of Kannada/ Marathi/ Telugu/ Deccani) and of course theNizam' s Royal courtiers ( of Arabic / Turkish / Iranian roots / local Moslems) and not forgetting the colorful Anglo Indians& Parsis & Sikhs amongst myriad others .The demography was akin to the later idea of unity in diversity and Hyderabad was a perfect representative of what India ie Bharat ought to be. BUT thanks to the selfish / egoistic/feudal / elitist mentality of Political Leaders of that time a composite multicultural entity like Hyderabad State was parceled off to form finally present Linguistic States.( it is said that Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad State were attached to the Telugu speaking Coastal Andhra and RayalaSeema to neutralize the prevailing Brahmin dominated Political Class by Reddis who were culturally rich and had feudal clout and were keen to join forces with Telangana Reddis).Instead of crying over spilt milk can we the common people strive to regain our sanity and stop the self seeking politicians who cynically are indulging in electoral politics.One solution could be to establish the erstwhile Hyderabad State and put it under Presidents Rule till people ie Politicians learn to accommodate all regions ' aspirations.Veteran( LtCol) TTKishore
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Re: [IAC#RG] A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship
Respected Sri Tadepalli Triampakishore,
Apropos to your feedback on the subject. Unfortunately, we are not electing honest and committed Parliamentarians, Legislators, Municipal Councilors, Ward Councilors/Members, Zilla Panchaayat Board Presidents etc., etc. Most of them are involved in some way in criminal cases, rape, amazed wealth through corrupt ways, most of them illiterate, not good Speakers (knowledgeable) to present/project the concern of atleast their own (respective) Constituencies in the appropriatve Forum i.e. Parliament or Assemblies leave alone National Interest, with the only sole intention of grooming their kith and kins to the fore etc., In therse circumstances, how can you expect sanity in Public Life.
To sanitize the Parliament.Assemblies/Municipal Corporations/Panchayats, Men/Women of Honesty, Integrity and Commitment to the Nation/Citizens should occupy these August Bodies. None of the Political parties possess such candidates. The year 2011 saw rising such leaders who claim to be apolitical and demonstrated to cleanse the Administration. But their intentions and activities are under scrutiny of the public eye.
There are so many very Enlightened Members with far sightedness in various walks of life in IAC or Indiaresists, India Rise Up Movements etc. All these very Enlightened Members should rise upto the occasion and enter the Parliament/Assemblies,Municipal Corporations. Panchayats by contesting as Independent candidate ( since these Movements want to remain apolitical). Ofcourse, it is not so easy to get elected to these August Bodies competing with the Political parties. By contesting elections as IAC Members, their presence/numbers will be felt by the Rulers and they cannot take it granted anything whatever they do.
It is not out of place to mention here( Dr.) Sri K.L. Rao one of the very knowledgeable Civil Engineer and Specilist in Water Management, and Central Minister from Andhra Pradesh, prepared and submitted a Plan interlinking all Major Rivers in India (Garland Canal Project) to the Parliament headed by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in early or late 50s. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru as PM and a Prudent Nationlist Leader should have accepted the proposal in toto or modified in necessary in consultation with national consensus and given a big thrust to the Project. Had it been started by this time, major rivers would have been linked thus transferring surplus/flood waters to water starved Regions, (avoiding flood ravages) generating new irrigation canals, Hydro Power Stations, Navigation, providing Drinking Water to the Millions, converted unirregated lands to cultivable lands, increased the green cover by planting more trees through out the country which will again bring more rains, increased food production etc., etc.
But, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru put it in the cold storage. There may be some objection from some States, but a Leader of a calibre like Nehru should have convinced and cleared the Project in the National Interest. Every year, we are experiencing Floods in one part of India and Waster Scarcity in another part of India. Due to shortfall in Rains, we find States fight each other on sharing the Waters and going to Courts.
The need of the hour is the Govt. should be headed by Honest and Committed Leaders to usher in an era of probity/sanity in Public Life.
With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
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Are we as a nation incapable of regaining the moral fibre to put all corrupt where they belong. If we lack character as a community of Indians and praise false prophets and watch helplessly the pillars of Democracy being destroyed , may be we the people of India deserve to be wretched.
One solution to avoid such an ignominy: nominate warriors and Veernaris to all Lawmaking bodies from gram panchayat , municipal corps! metro dev auth, legislatures LokSabha and Rajya sabha,at least proportional to their strength. Possibly this may bring sanity to our existence.
Veteran TTK
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:
Till today no one has asked Sheela Dixit that why no Politician /Officials responsible for plying of illegal buses in Delhi has been punished .
Delhi GovernmentChief MinisterTransport MinisterTransport CommissionerCentral GovernmentHome MinisterPolice CommissionerThey were the real culprit for that incident . That Bus was moving uninterrupted onthe road for hours together watched by policemen standing on the road.Brig JAGJIT SINGH AHUJAOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Veteran Col Shivraj for your response.Allow me to preempt a feeling I might have inadvertently created of , " being supportive of Nizams' reign" . The stress is sought to be on perpetuating a composite culture and accommodative politics of a multi faceted society. Further nature abhors exclusivity( the beautiful fauna and flora seen in Nature though beings of same ' feather' flock together others also share the space).Hope we will be spared from the self seeking onslaught of evil nexus of bad Babus/ politicians/ corporate and social criminals.May be some ,' Avatar' conforming to,' Sambhavami yugey yugey' delivers the Aam aadmi.Veteran TTK
On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Col Shivraj wrote:Dear Friends,I entirely & fully agree with Col TT Kishore.The Politicians supported by the media and bureaucrats have divided us at the drop of the hat. They will use any method to divide us like caste / creed / colour, North / South / East / West, educated / uneducated, urban / rural, men / women, advocates / rest, teachers / rest, haves / have nots. rich / poor, terms like middle class etc.In Delhi elections, all these terms are used to divide the voters, like Poorvanchalies, Punjabies,Teachers , Advocates, middle class etc depending upon the areas,We must look into the larger perspective and think of India as a whole.With modern technologies, when egovernance can produce better results, it will be wrong to further divide the states.For Delhi citizens, it is a very crucial election. Every voter must come out to vote. They must see the larger picture to form a stable Govt.regardsCol ShivrajOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
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To: "letters@thehindu.co.in" <letters@thehindu.co.in>
Way back in 50 s a Hyderabad State was very much in existence and Nizams reign had a harmonious spectrum of Brahmins(Malayalam/Tamilians/Telugus/ Maharashtrians) Kayasthas,Merchant Princes( Marawaris/ Gujarathis/Kutchies/P unjabis/S indhis / indigenous Vysyas) , Reddis, Gouds( Anjiah Goud of Paradise talkies fame),Velamas,Rajput descendants ( claiming presence from Kakatiyas' period), various artisans ( goldsmiths/ stapathis/carpenters/ metal smiths) includingweavers ( Padmashalis)/Tailors/potters and indigenous folk artistes( having flavours of Kannada/ Marathi/ Telugu/ Deccani) and of course theNizam' s Royal courtiers ( of Arabic / Turkish / Iranian roots / local Moslems) and not forgetting the colorful Anglo Indians& Parsis & Sikhs amongst myriad others .The demography was akin to the later idea of unity in diversity and Hyderabad was a perfect representative of what India ie Bharat ought to be. BUT thanks to the selfish / egoistic/feudal / elitist mentality of Political Leaders of that time a composite multicultural entity like Hyderabad State was parceled off to form finally present Linguistic States.( it is said that Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad State were attached to the Telugu speaking Coastal Andhra and RayalaSeema to neutralize the prevailing Brahmin dominated Political Class by Reddis who were culturally rich and had feudal clout and were keen to join forces with Telangana Reddis).Instead of crying over spilt milk can we the common people strive to regain our sanity and stop the self seeking politicians who cynically are indulging in electoral politics.One solution could be to establish the erstwhile Hyderabad State and put it under Presidents Rule till people ie Politicians learn to accommodate all regions ' aspirations.Veteran( LtCol) TTKishore
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Re: [IAC#RG] A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship
Blaming Democracy is akin to cutting the limb/ branch we all are perched upon. Yes the Democratic system has been morphed by the scoundrels and seedy characters of society to perpetuate their hold on the innocent masses. The feudalistic attitude of the power brokers and the servile attitude of the masses are the fuel mix perpetuating the supremacy of mediocre/ shortsighted/ favoritism ridden persons and has produced characters who wield authority with out responsibility. All so called socialists and nationalists and adherents of several ideologies(?) indulge in the same game of trying to get past the finish line by all means and succeeded in demonizing the Democracy.
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Are we as a nation incapable of regaining the moral fibre to put all corrupt where they belong. If we lack character as a community of Indians and praise false prophets and watch helplessly the pillars of Democracy being destroyed , may be we the people of India deserve to be wretched.
One solution to avoid such an ignominy: nominate warriors and Veernaris to all Lawmaking bodies from gram panchayat , municipal corps! metro dev auth, legislatures LokSabha and Rajya sabha,at least proportional to their strength. Possibly this may bring sanity to our existence.
Veteran TTK
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Jagjit Ahuja wrote:
Till today no one has asked Sheela Dixit that why no Politician /Officials responsible for plying of illegal buses in Delhi has been punished .
Delhi GovernmentChief MinisterTransport MinisterTransport CommissionerCentral GovernmentHome MinisterPolice CommissionerThey were the real culprit for that incident . That Bus was moving uninterrupted onthe road for hours together watched by policemen standing on the road.Brig JAGJIT SINGH AHUJAOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Veteran Col Shivraj for your response.Allow me to preempt a feeling I might have inadvertently created of , " being supportive of Nizams' reign" . The stress is sought to be on perpetuating a composite culture and accommodative politics of a multi faceted society. Further nature abhors exclusivity( the beautiful fauna and flora seen in Nature though beings of same ' feather' flock together others also share the space).Hope we will be spared from the self seeking onslaught of evil nexus of bad Babus/ politicians/ corporate and social criminals.May be some ,' Avatar' conforming to,' Sambhavami yugey yugey' delivers the Aam aadmi.Veteran TTK
On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Col Shivraj wrote:Dear Friends,I entirely & fully agree with Col TT Kishore.The Politicians supported by the media and bureaucrats have divided us at the drop of the hat. They will use any method to divide us like caste / creed / colour, North / South / East / West, educated / uneducated, urban / rural, men / women, advocates / rest, teachers / rest, haves / have nots. rich / poor, terms like middle class etc.In Delhi elections, all these terms are used to divide the voters, like Poorvanchalies, Punjabies,Teachers , Advocates, middle class etc depending upon the areas,We must look into the larger perspective and think of India as a whole.With modern technologies, when egovernance can produce better results, it will be wrong to further divide the states.For Delhi citizens, it is a very crucial election. Every voter must come out to vote. They must see the larger picture to form a stable Govt.regardsCol ShivrajOn Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: A lost opportunity owing to lack of wisdom / statesmanship
To: "letters@thehindu.co.in" <letters@thehindu.co.in>
Way back in 50 s a Hyderabad State was very much in existence and Nizams reign had a harmonious spectrum of Brahmins(Malayalam/Tamilians/Telugus/ Maharashtrians) Kayasthas,Merchant Princes( Marawaris/ Gujarathis/Kutchies/P unjabis/S indhis / indigenous Vysyas) , Reddis, Gouds( Anjiah Goud of Paradise talkies fame),Velamas,Rajput descendants ( claiming presence from Kakatiyas' period), various artisans ( goldsmiths/ stapathis/carpenters/ metal smiths) includingweavers ( Padmashalis)/Tailors/potters and indigenous folk artistes( having flavours of Kannada/ Marathi/ Telugu/ Deccani) and of course theNizam' s Royal courtiers ( of Arabic / Turkish / Iranian roots / local Moslems) and not forgetting the colorful Anglo Indians& Parsis & Sikhs amongst myriad others .The demography was akin to the later idea of unity in diversity and Hyderabad was a perfect representative of what India ie Bharat ought to be. BUT thanks to the selfish / egoistic/feudal / elitist mentality of Political Leaders of that time a composite multicultural entity like Hyderabad State was parceled off to form finally present Linguistic States.( it is said that Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad State were attached to the Telugu speaking Coastal Andhra and RayalaSeema to neutralize the prevailing Brahmin dominated Political Class by Reddis who were culturally rich and had feudal clout and were keen to join forces with Telangana Reddis).Instead of crying over spilt milk can we the common people strive to regain our sanity and stop the self seeking politicians who cynically are indulging in electoral politics.One solution could be to establish the erstwhile Hyderabad State and put it under Presidents Rule till people ie Politicians learn to accommodate all regions ' aspirations.Veteran( LtCol) TTKishore
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Re:[IAC#RG]
Respected Sri Santmathur Sir,
I agree with you. Let us all work together to root out corruption in the country. To start with Indiaresists Members should stop getting their job done by shortcut methods by giving Bribe and taking Bribe. In each area/locality IAC Forum should be formed and take a decision not to give bribe and take bribe to get their job done in Police Stations, Municipal Corporation, Panchayats, Metro Water & Sewage Board, Electricity Board, Sales Tax, Income Tax, Check Posts, Central Excise and Custom, Cinema Theatres, Rail Travels, Gas connections and refill supplies, Telephones, Pass Port offices, etc., etc. Normally, corruption starts only when we want to circumvent the Rule of Law and get the job done by paying bribe. If all the IAC Members start to practice 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN", in the Official as well as Personal works, atleast lower level corruption to some extent can be stopped. Of-course, in the process, we will face some problem in not getting our job done within a reasonable time. But, we should be prepared to put up with the delay for a cause.
Please tell me honestly, how many IAC Members will come forward to organise such a 'NO BRIBE CAMPAIGN" ?
With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
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On Sunday, 1 December 2013 4:50 PM, "santmathur@gmail.com" <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Some other forum for acrimonios(and endless) language debate pl. Sanctity and purposefulness of IAC not be violated brazenly. Let anti-corrution movewment succeed in every nook and corner and in every language/vernacular. Wasteful internal cribbing is the surest way to defeat IAC movement. Moderator could pl ensure that waywardness doesn't become the law. SPM
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Re: [IAC#RG] Update: PUBLIC NOTICE: To IAC's old volunteers now disillusioned with AAP
Dear Ashok
Please let me appreciate what you have said. I agree it is indeed a sad day when activists start fighting with each other and the only people benefiting are the corrupt netas, babus, media and judges.If you see carefully, this name - Ms. Sonia Gandhi - was hardly used /attacked in the 2011-12 anti-corruption campaign. Sure her supposedly estranged son-in-law was later "exposed" by Arvind, but that too was all part of a Congress strategy dreamed up by Pulok Chatterjee, (the controversial IAS officer and Chanakya behind Italians and other foreigners ruling India), to isolate Sonia and ensure deniability. AAP's attack on Vadra as a bonus also makes it easier for any child custody suit/application for the "heirs to the Gandhi legacy" should Roberto have to be dumped overboard.
As is well known I had (quietly) left IAC in August 2010 when I came to know that henceforth some so-called gurus like Sri Sri Ravishankar and Swami Agnivesh (acting on instructions of No.10 Janpath cleverly through some RSS mercenaries and NCPRI people like Aruna Roy, Harsh Mander, Prashant Bhushan etc.) would be associated with it.
Veeresh did not agree with me and stayed on after efforts by many people to convince me not to be so technical/strict but to look instead at the larger public/"national" interest failed.
I also did not agree with the internal things being discussed then that it was the "PMO gang" (ie MMS, PC, Kapil Sibal, Pranab Mukherjee and their babus like TKA Nair) etc. who had looted the nation in CWG (not Sonia gang) and that RSS persons like Vijay Kumar Malhotra, Sudanshu Mittal etc. were all innocent dupes.
I deeply regretted getting the name of India Against Corruption and its revolutionary banners for use by these rascals, who promptly started reducing the sizes of photos of Tilak, Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekar Azad, Ashfaqullah Khan (as a Muslim his photo was removed on day 1 of their movement) etc. once they got in. Gradually it was only that familiar old Congress symbol of corruption - smiling faces of Mahatma Gandhi - everywhere. This is something which HRA will never forgive me for, and everything I have done after that is to atone for that colossal blunder.
Veeresh did not agree with me and stayed on after efforts by many people to convince me not to be so technical/strict but to look instead at the larger public/"national" interest failed.
I also did not agree with the internal things being discussed then that it was the "PMO gang" (ie MMS, PC, Kapil Sibal, Pranab Mukherjee and their babus like TKA Nair) etc. who had looted the nation in CWG (not Sonia gang) and that RSS persons like Vijay Kumar Malhotra, Sudanshu Mittal etc. were all innocent dupes.
I deeply regretted getting the name of India Against Corruption and its revolutionary banners for use by these rascals, who promptly started reducing the sizes of photos of Tilak, Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekar Azad, Ashfaqullah Khan (as a Muslim his photo was removed on day 1 of their movement) etc. once they got in. Gradually it was only that familiar old Congress symbol of corruption - smiling faces of Mahatma Gandhi - everywhere. This is something which HRA will never forgive me for, and everything I have done after that is to atone for that colossal blunder.
It was only on 17th Oct 2012 that I got a message that HRA would be obliged if I would immediately start taking an interest in IAC again so that ownership of IAC would not go out of HRA with everyone then claiming to be IAC. I was also told that the agreed Oct 2 2012 exit of Team Arvind from IAC had also got postponed due to this. Hence, I quickly started updating myself with goings-on over the last 1 year. The next day some people who were behind the IAC's social media strategy were put in touch with me and we started isolating the IAC online assets. As there were too many random IAC Facebook sites, blogs, websites etc, we decided to abandon them for the time being.
On 18th Oct 2012 we were told that Aruna Roy's NCPRI disinformation team was putting together 30 questions for Arvind to answer, which would be released 10 questions at a time spread out over a week by Digvijay Singh. This was actually all a camouflage designed by Pulok Chatterjee to show that Arvind is anti-Congress and their new (but unnamed) party is anti-Congress. The first set of 10 questions was given to us.
On 18th Oct 2012 we were told that Aruna Roy's NCPRI disinformation team was putting together 30 questions for Arvind to answer, which would be released 10 questions at a time spread out over a week by Digvijay Singh. This was actually all a camouflage designed by Pulok Chatterjee to show that Arvind is anti-Congress and their new (but unnamed) party is anti-Congress. The first set of 10 questions was given to us.
It seems this got back to Aruna Roy and that I had been re-inducted to counter them. So Digvijay Singh had to hastily release all his 27 queries on 20.10.2012 evening and IAC(HRA) team (although I was not 100% with them then) struck back with the 9 answers we had ready on 21st afternoon. Since the very first answer directly asked for Pulok Chatterjee's own service record to be examined, they promptly withdrew from the field.
http://www.moneylife.in/article/kejriwal-wife-never-transferred-out-of-delhi-but-points-finger-at-pulok-chatterjee/29199.html
But Team-Arvind reading between the lines (several letters from/to PMO and NAC clearly requesting Arvind and and his wife not be transferred out of Delhi) also had no option but to disclaim and say that the reply was "fake" which was published by HT on 24.10.2012.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/foxed-by-fake-e-mail-iac-sends-out-a-disclaimer/article1-949177.aspx
By then the IAC's public mailing lists with emails from IAC master database were also operational (IAC had been using Humjanenge list from 17.10.2012 till then). IAC (I was unfortunately busy elsewhere and could not read it) audaciously put out a rejoinder to HT's article on 25.10.2012.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/HumJanenge/nv_HTfIT-5Q/1TyLElHcbtMJ
Unfortunately there were still some Congress/Aruna moles in IAC and some basic errors (such as wrong date of 18.10.2010 as establishing IAC at RamLila maidan) crept into their rejoinder. HRA was furious with this and so on 26.10.2012 at 2:00 AM in the morning I was woken up and told that I would be running IAC exclusively as National Convenor and I had a free hand to decide who (including Anna Hazare) would remain in IAC.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/HumJanenge/nv_HTfIT-5Q/1TyLElHcbtMJ
Unfortunately there were still some Congress/Aruna moles in IAC and some basic errors (such as wrong date of 18.10.2010 as establishing IAC at RamLila maidan) crept into their rejoinder. HRA was furious with this and so on 26.10.2012 at 2:00 AM in the morning I was woken up and told that I would be running IAC exclusively as National Convenor and I had a free hand to decide who (including Anna Hazare) would remain in IAC.
From 8.Nov.2012 onwards Team Anna tried to regroup themselves and made noises about laying claim to IAC name. Kiran Bedi even tried to open a parallel Anna IAC office in Delhi. Within a fortnight HRA convinced them to drop their claims and gave them full freedom to restart Anna's anti-corruption movement as BVGA or JanTantra Morcha etc. or whatever name they choose
In coming emails, I will set at rest certain misconceptions about IAC
a) That IAC is now only a time-pass forum exchanging emails
b) That IAC is BJP/RSS front /proxy
c) That IAC is only doing RTI
d) That IAC is opposed to AAP etc
NB: IAC's prime goal is to rid India of all corruption but especially foreigners, foreign forces and foreign charity. And this applies equally (IAC is apolitical) to AAP's 200 crores or Sudanshu Mittal's 7,200 crores or Congress's 80,000 crores etc. etc.
Sarbajit
National Convenor, IAC
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ashok.bajpai <ashok.bajpai@moserbaer.in> wrote:
Dear All,
While Sarbjeet may be correctly claiming his ownership, on the IAC movement, by virtue of historical facts and we must acknowledge this. However, I would suggest him to also accept the ground reality that IAC caught up big momentum, only with Anna & team spearheading the movement, followed with Arvind, Kiran and the General VK etc. Everyone is an important link of this chain formed by the IAC ideology. When the movement succeeds, the time shall give due recognition to all who contributed to it.
Corrupt politicians and administrators are putting their best efforts to break this chain. Let us not allow the corrupt to be successful by using different sets of IAC activists, for the witch-hunting and cross alleging among the different IAC movement teams.
We can reach a point of understanding with the thought that the organizations are built and sustained by its heritage and not by personalities. Tomorrow we shall have someone else taking over Sarbajit, Anna and Arvind with a bigger appeal and reasons. I appeal to all IAC ideology people to join up for the common cause of eradicating the nose deep corruption from India, please.
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