Friday, October 4, 2013

[IAC#RG] The RTI Amendment Bill 2013

Dear Sarabjit

Just read this excellent attached NCPRI submission of Veeresh Malik, with you, on RTI amendments posted to another list.

Since it is pretty much clear that Rahul Gandhi and Yuva Brigade (Nikhil Dey etc.) will keep political parties in RTI to show up the old PM candidate fogies (MMS and NaMo), the NCPRI could focus on suggesting amendments to the Representation of People Act to enlarge the information required to be maintained by parties which can be disclosed. Till now they got away by saying "no such information is maintained".

RS Pabbi
Senior Editor


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Veeresh Malik <veereshmalik@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM
Subject: Fwd: The RTI Amendment Bill 2013
To: rs-cpers@sansad.nic.in, sahoo.ak@sansad.nic.in
Cc: shantaramgoa@gmail.com, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>, Veeresh Malik <veereshmalik@gmail.com>

To:
The Joint Secretary PPG
RAJYA SABHA

4-October-2013

Jai Hind & Good Evening!!
Please find attached the memorandum submitted on behalf of the
"National Campaign for Political Reform in India"  concerning the subject Bill for consideration by the sub-Committee in response to the public notice dated 21.09.2013..
yours faithfully
Veeresh Malik
Coordinator - NCPRI

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Re: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

Not only a case of utmost cunning but a well planned drama when PM was away may be PM knew about the whole drama,that is why there was no violent reaction keeping elections and future PM in mind.

Major(Retd) D S Sarwara


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, neeraj gupta <rashtra.rakshak@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe it to be a case of utmost cunning that this U turn was made:

Consider the following advantages:

1. Hijacking the oppose corruption initiative from opposition forces
2. Tell the world who is the boss in waiting without actually taking the responsibility till the feedback from public becomes apparent
3. Complete the process of bringing any remaining anti Yuvraj individuals to their knees
4. The brazen aggressive style in which it was done may have been prior calculated to connect to the youth of India today - 12 crore in number supposed to vote for the first time- who will look for and may be more comfortable with a careless youth image and big dreams rather than the meticulous hard working Modi type.

etc.

Regards
Neeraj Gupta




On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, govindan menon <tcgmenon@hotmail.com> wrote:
Majority of the people take a wrong direction  while analyzing any important incident. Any bill/ ordinance can be introduced again without any change if the ruling party has  majority in both house of  parliament. So here bill is not an important factor at all.  The most important factor  is Rahul's behaviour and consequences of making  him PM. Italian Sonia  may be a  strong   lady. But she has no control  over his son's erratic behaviour. So it is time to consider the consequences of lifting a person on to a pedestal for which he is not suitable. Rahul's behavior is erratic, like Nero played the fiddle when Rome was burning.  Muhammad Tuglak said one morning that the capital will be shifted to Deogir (now Daulatabad) . Similarly  if Rahul announces  one fine day that  Kashmir will be handed over to  Pakistan to keep good  relation with them. Will  all the  caravan  of slaves/ sycophants  of the Congress   start supporting him? Can we rule out all these possibilities when he is not behaving like a matured leader.
Tcg

From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:20:24 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

1/10/13
Today,s news that Rahul sets eyes on RTI Act gives an indication about his thinking on bringing political parties within the purview of RTI act. It is further reported that the proposed bill designed to amend the RTI Act to exclude political parties from its purview was referred to the Standing Committee at Rahuls,s insistence. ,People have a right to know the functioning and source of funding of political parties, is atrributed to Rahul,s thinking.
We should press on this view rather than questioning the motive behind CVC,order. Defensible or not defencible at least this order has shifted focus on opaque functioning of political parties.
Regds
JLKGaur
 
From: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; beniwalg@ymail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:53:30 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

Hullo    Pl quickly ask Rahul about RTI  being made applicable for political
      parties . I would like to ask a dozen questions . I am sure he would like to
take the lead in agreeing to this after he condemned in a hurry the
ordinance to protect the convicted guys !!! Seshadri 
 
-----Original Message-----
      From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
[mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
      Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:46 PM
To: G.S. Beniwal; indiaresists
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by
DoPT officers.
 
Dear Mr. Beniwal
 
It is of the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission) - which is administratively
      under DoPT.
http://www.cvc.nic.in/nacs26082010.htm
 
BUT, the NACS is an extremely badly drafted document which has been drawn up
by some NGOs and corrupt ex-babus. It is still in "final draft" form since
      2010 and it is a major embarrassment to DoPT and UPA.
 
So I am only using it to "poke" DoPT.
Hope this clarifies.
 
Sarbajit
 
On 9/27/13, G.S. Beniwal <beniwalg@ymail.com> wrote:
      > Roy sir, may i know which authority  issued this policy and does this
policy
> applies to MoD/departments ?.   rgds. beniwal (66yrs)
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
      > To: secy_mop <secy_mop@nic.in>; jsata <jsata@nic.in>; jsv-dopt 
> <jsv-dopt@nic.in>; indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
      > Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013 6:58 AM
> Subject: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by 
> DoPT officers.
>
>

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[IAC#RG] KANGAL KIYA DESH KO, NIRBAL BANAYS FAUJ KO; BADNAM KIYA DESH KO

 
KANGAL KIYA DESH KO, NIRBAL BANAYS FAUJ KO; BADNAM KIYA DESH KO
 
IAF chief nervous over biggest defence deal


Three months before he hangs up his flying boots, Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne has expressed nervousness and uncertainty for the first time over the country's largest-ever military contract currently under negotiation: the $20-billion medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal for 126 French-built Rafale fighters.Browne, who has expressed consistent optimism that a deal would be signed by the end of 2013, has struck his first note of anxiousness, no longer willing to put a time-frame to the deal, providing perhaps the clearest indication that it could be delayed.
"We have no back-up plan. If the MMRCA deal isn't signed, there will be a rapid decline in fighter numbers between 2017 and 22. It is imperative that the deal is signed quickly," Browne said at his annual press conference on Friday.
The IAF celebrates its 81st Air Force Day on October 8.
"Negotiations on the MMRCA are still on. Cannot place a timeline on when the deal will be signed. If the deal is delayed till next year, the first aircraft will arrive only in 2017," the chief said.
Over the past 18 months, the Chief has consistently sounded hopeful, assured that the deal would be signed variously by early 2013, mid-2013 and end 2013. For the first time, he doesn't sound so sure anymore.
The sudden death on Wednesday of Arun Kumar Bal, the Ministry of Defence's pointsperson on acquisitions and specifically the MMRCA deal, is tragic, and a major setback to the deal, since he was fully in control of the acquisition, said Browne.
Bal had suffered a massive heart attack earlier this week near his Delhi residence.
The Defence Ministry has been in contract negotiations with the Rafale's maker Dassault Aviation for over 18 months now, in a matrix of highly complex discussions over offsets, transfer of technology, maintenance and several other heads in what is easily the country's most strenuous acquisition effort.
In January 2012, the Dassault Rafale was won the high-voltage competition, defeating the European Typhoon and four other jets, including the US-built F-16, F/A-18, Sweden's Gripen and the Russian MiG-35.The Indian Air Force currently operates 34 combat aircraft squadrons, comprised of Su-30 MKIs, MiG-21s, MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s, MiG-27s and Jaguars.
Against a sanctioned strength of 42 squadrons, this already represents a serious shortfall.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/iaf-chief-nervous-over-biggest-defence-deal/1/313111.html
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: WARREN BUFFET HIRES SONIA GANDHI’S SON-IN-LAW

Dear Vikram

I cannot speak for SIL as he is not a person in public life, but the
MIL (a widow and senior citizen aged 66 years) has transparently
declared all her assets at time of elections to LS. In 2004 she was
worth about Rs. 0.8 CR and in 2009 about Rs. 1.4 CR - extrapolating,
in 2014 she may be worth about Rs. 2 - 3 CR.
http://www.firstpost.com/blogs/why-this-secrecy-over-sonia-gandhi-787225.html

Does anybody believe these figures ? Do we believe the moon is made of
blue cheese ?
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cbi-closes-disproportionate-assets-case-against-sonia-gandhis-close-aide/1126199/
http://www.siliconindia.com/news/general/Sonia-Gandhi-Worlds-Fourth-Richest-Politician-nid-109106-cid-1.html

Sarbajit

On 10/4/13, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> I Do not Think that Rabeert needs to hire "Americans" to manage his
> Investments . These people are Transparent. Our own " Indians" are more
> Opaque . Loyal to Family , honest to Core , except less and can be satisfied
> with less .
> There fore Like his MIL he seeks such people
>
> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road ,
> Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
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RE: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

These politicians will never change. All of them are self centered and selfish. For them only the party matters. Nation can go to hell!!

Even the AAM ADMI Party has not talked  about voluntarily reducing their perks and salary . I remember Rajaji when he became the CM ( at that time it was PM of Madras province )  fixed his own pay as Rs 500/per month resulting in all MLAS and other ministers taking less than 500 as their pay !!!

Today they are looting the country !! IAC should ask Khejriwal to declare his intention to reduce the salaries and perks of his party men who win the election in Dec. That will surely have some good effect.    Seshadri

 

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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:50 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; chaddask@gmail.com; nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

 

Dear Ali,

 

With the outcry from the public, the  Gandhi family realised the rejection of the bill by the President was imminent and in the nick of time, all this gimmicks enacted....isn't it?

 

Capt Kutty

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:28 AM

Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

 

It is time to consider  the consequences   lifting a person on to a pedestal for  which he is not suitable. Rahul’s behavior is also erratic, like Nero played the fiddle when Rome was burning.

Tcg

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:17:19 +0530
From: chaddask@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

 

Dear Venkataraman,


       There are more than one reasons for Manmohan Singh NOT TO REACT.

 

1.    He is inert and normally does not react.

 

2.    The Mom has served the Prime Ministership on a paltter, how & why should he react to her son's bullies.

 

3.     He has to prove his 100% loyality to the Family.  

 

4.     Can anyone think that Manmohan Singh can forward the ordinance on his own (that too going against SC). This was a calculated move (Tabling the ordinance and then snubbing the PM).

 

5.      Any respectable PM who becomes PM on his own merits would have / should have resigned. Here the scenario is different.

 

          There are so many reasons for him NOT TO REACT. One could write a thesis on the subject.  

SK Chadda

 

 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

 To
India Against Corruption


                                     WILL  MANMOHAN SINGH  RESIGN  NOW  ?


Rahul Gandhi has termed  the ordinance  to undo the Supreme court verdict on convicted persons from sitting in assemblies and parliament  as nonsense and said it should be thrown away.
While , by this statement Rahul Gandhi has tried to improve his public image , what about the public image of Manmohan Singh?  When the Vice President of the leading party in the UPA  makes  such strong  statement in public , Manmohan Singh has to react.
The option for him  is either to defend his decision to issue an ordinance  or  submit his resignation protesting against  the outburst of Rahul Gandhi in public .
At the fag end of UPA II  facing all round criticism, Rahul Gandhi has given  Manmohan Singh  an  opportunity to redeem his image by quitting on a matter of principle  where the Prime Minister’s decision  is being questioned by the Vice President  of  his own party.


N.S.Venkataraman
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Re: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

I believe it to be a case of utmost cunning that this U turn was made:

Consider the following advantages:

1. Hijacking the oppose corruption initiative from opposition forces
2. Tell the world who is the boss in waiting without actually taking the responsibility till the feedback from public becomes apparent
3. Complete the process of bringing any remaining anti Yuvraj individuals to their knees
4. The brazen aggressive style in which it was done may have been prior calculated to connect to the youth of India today - 12 crore in number supposed to vote for the first time- who will look for and may be more comfortable with a careless youth image and big dreams rather than the meticulous hard working Modi type.

etc.

Regards
Neeraj Gupta




On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, govindan menon <tcgmenon@hotmail.com> wrote:
Majority of the people take a wrong direction  while analyzing any important incident. Any bill/ ordinance can be introduced again without any change if the ruling party has  majority in both house of  parliament. So here bill is not an important factor at all.  The most important factor  is Rahul's behaviour and consequences of making  him PM. Italian Sonia  may be a  strong   lady. But she has no control  over his son's erratic behaviour. So it is time to consider the consequences of lifting a person on to a pedestal for which he is not suitable. Rahul's behavior is erratic, like Nero played the fiddle when Rome was burning.  Muhammad Tuglak said one morning that the capital will be shifted to Deogir (now Daulatabad) . Similarly  if Rahul announces  one fine day that  Kashmir will be handed over to  Pakistan to keep good  relation with them. Will  all the  caravan  of slaves/ sycophants  of the Congress   start supporting him? Can we rule out all these possibilities when he is not behaving like a matured leader.
Tcg

From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:20:24 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

1/10/13
Today,s news that Rahul sets eyes on RTI Act gives an indication about his thinking on bringing political parties within the purview of RTI act. It is further reported that the proposed bill designed to amend the RTI Act to exclude political parties from its purview was referred to the Standing Committee at Rahuls,s insistence. ,People have a right to know the functioning and source of funding of political parties, is atrributed to Rahul,s thinking.
We should press on this view rather than questioning the motive behind CVC,order. Defensible or not defencible at least this order has shifted focus on opaque functioning of political parties.
Regds
JLKGaur
 
From: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; beniwalg@ymail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:53:30 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by DoPT officers.

Hullo    Pl quickly ask Rahul about RTI  being made applicable for political
  parties . I would like to ask a dozen questions . I am sure he would like to
take the lead in agreeing to this after he condemned in a hurry the
ordinance to protect the convicted guys !!! Seshadri 
 
-----Original Message-----
  From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
[mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
  Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:46 PM
To: G.S. Beniwal; indiaresists
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by
DoPT officers.
 
Dear Mr. Beniwal
 
It is of the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission) - which is administratively
  under DoPT.
http://www.cvc.nic.in/nacs26082010.htm
 
BUT, the NACS is an extremely badly drafted document which has been drawn up
by some NGOs and corrupt ex-babus. It is still in "final draft" form since
  2010 and it is a major embarrassment to DoPT and UPA.
 
So I am only using it to "poke" DoPT.
Hope this clarifies.
 
Sarbajit
 
On 9/27/13, G.S. Beniwal <beniwalg@ymail.com> wrote:
  > Roy sir, may i know which authority  issued this policy and does this
policy
> applies to MoD/departments ?.   rgds. beniwal (66yrs)
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
  > To: secy_mop <secy_mop@nic.in>; jsata <jsata@nic.in>; jsv-dopt 
> <jsv-dopt@nic.in>; indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
  > Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013 6:58 AM
> Subject: [IAC#RG] Violation of "National Anti-Corruption Strategy" by 
> DoPT officers.
>
>

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RE: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

As much Mr. Manmaun Singh has been acting as an obedient boy, his frustration level has reached to a good understanding and adult maturity. He knows now why Rahul did when he was about to meet Pakistani counterpart and one of his other master, Obama in New York. MMS best advisors might be advising him to play dumb like Rahul did for some time. Even though, Sonia & Rahul wish for his real action (resignation) based on the morality, he may resist and give them little hard time. On other words, he may not step down willingly unless forced based upon constitution of India. 

Dr. Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:02:48 +0530
From: sarwara.super@gmail.com
To: girinder_singh@yahoo.com
CC: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

I think India does not have PM.Which PM will resign.........?


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
The public of India is mum spectators of governance, either political or judicial... what can be done! The brilliant like you peoples are also silent spectators pouring your views on the subjects which gives nothing more then tensions to the viewers without any solutions.


From: Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "chaddask@gmail.com" <chaddask@gmail.com>; "nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

Being a nominated Prime Minister by Sonia Gandhi, it is for Sonia Gandhi to take this decision.
Rahul is playing hot and cold.
Rahul Gandhi has termed  the ordinance  to undo the Supreme court verdict on convicted persons from sitting in assemblies and parliament  as nonsense and said it should be thrown away. After throwing this bombshell, Rahul has written a letter of appreciation to P.M about his wisdom and good work done by him.  Obviously there is a deeper game being played by Sonia's Congress. P.M is 100% loyal to Rahul and Sonia who are running dynastic democracy in India. 
Prem Sabhlok 
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: tcgmenon@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; chaddask@gmail.com; nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 02:58:16 +0000
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

It is time to consider  the consequences   lifting a person on to a pedestal for  which he is not suitable. Rahul's behavior is also erratic, like Nero played the fiddle when Rome was burning.
Tcg

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:17:19 +0530
From: chaddask@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WILL MANMOHAN SINGH RESIGN NOW ?

 
Dear Venkataraman,

       There are more than one reasons for Manmohan Singh NOT TO REACT.
 
1.    He is inert and normally does not react.
 
2.    The Mom has served the Prime Ministership on a paltter, how & why should he react to her son's bullies.
 
3.     He has to prove his 100% loyality to the Family.  
 
4.     Can anyone think that Manmohan Singh can forward the ordinance on his own (that too going against SC). This was a calculated move (Tabling the ordinance and then snubbing the PM).
 
5.      Any respectable PM who becomes PM on his own merits would have / should have resigned. Here the scenario is different.
 
          There are so many reasons for him NOT TO REACT. One could write a thesis on the subject.  
SK Chadda
 
 
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 To
India Against Corruption


                                     WILL  MANMOHAN SINGH  RESIGN  NOW  ?


Rahul Gandhi has termed  the ordinance  to undo the Supreme court verdict on convicted persons from sitting in assemblies and parliament  as nonsense and said it should be thrown away.
While , by this statement Rahul Gandhi has tried to improve his public image , what about the public image of Manmohan Singh?  When the Vice President of the leading party in the UPA  makes  such strong  statement in public , Manmohan Singh has to react.
The option for him  is either to defend his decision to issue an ordinance  or  submit his resignation protesting against  the outburst of Rahul Gandhi in public .
At the fag end of UPA II  facing all round criticism, Rahul Gandhi has given  Manmohan Singh  an  opportunity to redeem his image by quitting on a matter of principle  where the Prime Minister's decision  is being questioned by the Vice President  of  his own party.


N.S.Venkataraman
Email:- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
  

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