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Monday, September 16, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Why is entire ESM community calling you names?

Dear Sir,

Why the business community and farmers are not provided such privilages.

I know that even people who had constucted bridges and canals for general public have not yet been honoured.

I know most of them were tee totalars.They were honest people.

Warm regards,

Rakshpal Abrol
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Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why is entire ESM community calling you names?

Dear Veterans and educated Indians,

I would rather not answer unfounded arguments about privileges extended to the Armed Forces. They are generally illogical and a waste of time for a reply.

Veteran, Hirak Nag.

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why is entire ESM community calling you names?

Dear Mr Malik,

You are logical in your arguments.

Conditions of Service and certain assurances in the form of acknowledgments for service rendered are prevalent in each of our service be it Armed Forces or Civil services.

One could first begin with the "pension" which should be stopped the moment a Govt servant (applicable to Armed Forces & civil services) becomes a foreign citizen. As a corollary the "ack" or privileges peculiar to each service should also cease.

Leading by example it should start with the IAS the most privileged and molly coddled service and then trickle down to the other services.

I would also like to add here that if any Govt servant is drawing a pension from any source other than The GOI, it should cease forthwith. Be assured the IAS will never permit that to happen. A tenure of 3 years plus in the UN pushing files gets you a pension of $ 1000 tax free. At the present rate Rs 62000/- (tax free). One of our Commissioner (no names) did not push a single file for 2 years rendering my city to garbage , ensured a UN posting for disservice to my city and is drawing double pension. The IAS and UN. During morning walks I always salute him.

I am an Armed Forces veteran and am in full agreement with your observation about foreign Nationals. Please make it applicable to all Govt servants and also those receiving pension from foreign sources.

With Regards

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Veeresh Malik,
There seems to be a compulsion to question benefits given to Warriors and their families ( serving and ESM). At the same time

there is a mention of close kin including own mother being recipient of Armed Forces ' benefits/ privileges Viz.,

Liquor/ reservation for wards of uniformed personnel in education institutions/ pension/ CSD etc.
If pension is a deferred wage , where is the question of reneging by a civilzed nation to keep the promise UNLESS the person has forfeited the privilege by some misdemeanor and actions against national interests.

Further Warriorship being a Rajas ( ref Tamas, Satvik and Rajo Gunas or Traits) most warriors are wont to take food and items like liquor of Rajas type. Exceptions will always be there where some Warriors are teetotallers and vegetarians . Why sermonise or insist one' s Way of life on an unsuspecting section of society under the garb of protecting tax payers money. It is customary not to grudge the specific privileges extended by a civilized community to specific sections of its society ( MPs, MLAs, Rly men, Men of Telephones , Airlines and so on) .There is no need to rave/ rant at the special privileges .
Further ,it is as improper as questioning the privileged seat or treatment given to elders in the family . The one who questions is prone to suffer ( Like Sisupal in Rajasuya Yagna in Mahabharata when he condemns the participants decision to honor Sri Krsna as lunatic behavior of elders owing to their age related mental atrophy).
May good sense prevail and this running down of Warriors cease forthwith. Incidentally Warriors are also tax payers.
Veteran TTK

On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Veeresh Malik wrote:

Dear Ashok Coomar,

Thank you for writing in, and I must salute your tone of language, far different from the tone used by Shri Pannu.

Now, on contents and some facts:-

1) My mother takes a pension from the Indian Army thanks to my late father, my late maternal grandmother took an award for all 4 sons in the Armed Forces (though only 3 continued, the first had to take a civil job to bring up the zero restart family after '47)

2) I have a list as long as your arm of family members from the close circle of relatives as well as close friends who have been in the Armed Forces and are in the Armed Forces and some have also made the Supreme Sacrifice and so get slightly outraged when people choose to question my patriotism.

3) Not having been in the Armed Forces myself but from an institution which produced the earliest Chiefs of Staff of the Indian Navt as well as other Star Officers for the Indian Army, so connections of not just the Indian Navy, my own training went through the full drill on Armed Forces pattern, and more, including swearing loyalty to flag and country.

My single point question here to you is this - if after retiring, a person from the Indian Armed Forces or Civilian Government services voluntarily exits from Indian citizenship and swears loyalty as well as fealty to another country, then what right does he have to the benefits of the Army Act or similar, whether ex Armed Forces or Civilian?

Would we justify the benefits if, hypothetical situation, the Supreme Commander in Chief, the President of India did something like this?

Please do not try to churn the issue up into other unrelated issues of loyalty, patriotism, and need of the Nation and the hour. I am not a fool to not know the importance of a strong Armed Forces. If it is your contention that strong Armed Forces can not exist without booze, then I have nothing more to say. However, if that was not your contention, then:-

4) As far as duty free booze is concerned, tots of rum could have been justified in gunpowder days, which is what we also were taught, but in this day and age, when Armed Forces personnel are expected to be tech savvy as well as in charge of equipment costing billions? On an ordinary cargo tanker carrying crude oil, a clear window of no booze for 15 days prior is now SOP. A railway engine driver, merchant navy sailor, civil aircraft pilot, truck operator, lab technician, surgeon, teacher, everybody else is supposed to be cold sober nil alcohol. But our Armed Forces expect to get cheap booze?

5) Given half a chance, the dispensation towards no booze needs to be instilled into people joining the Armed Forces from the date of induction, just as it is done in other professions requiring some amount of responsibility. Maybe it is a good idea to put this in the curriculum of the training establishments for the Armed Forces, as is done with responsible Armed Forces, increasingly, worldwide?

Deflecting any rational arguments into vague retorts about being anti-National would make anybody else an easy target, but not me, Coomar, or Pannu - I got far too many family members and friends who have died in the Service of the Nation for you and your ilk to get patronising, condescending and supercilious with me. In addition, I have pursued one too many compensation claim for families of such people where people in service have put obstacles, to not know the truth.

Have a nice day, try and remain sober, and set a good example to the youngsters joining the forces. Calling me names just makes me more keen to do a follow-up article.

Warm regards/Veeresh Malik

On 28 August 2013 19:43, Maj Gen Ashok Coomar <coomar.ashok@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Malik,

It is indeed unfortunate that we have such ignorant citizens in this country who will neither see nor listen to reason. They continue their lament without pausing to analyse whether one should excise the head because of a headache.

There is no alternative to an army to defend the nation. You may be right that there are aberrations but the nation has no option but to take the delinquents to ask rather than spite the entire armed forces as you seem to suggest.

In national interest it is imperative that our countrymen are careful not to run down the entire institution of the armed forces lest it may compels them to follow the lead given by others - forget about the responsibility you are charged with, just line your nest!

Perhaps you can imagine the consequences if that happens.

If you do then please refrain from plying your lonely furrow.

I pray to God to bestow some patriotic wisdom on you,

Yours sincerely,

Ashok Coomar

-------Original Message-------

From: Veeresh Malik

Date: 8/27/2013 11:55:40 PM

To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

Dear Air Commodre (Retd) T Pannu and others in this list.

Ignoring the silly language used by Air Comm Pannu on calling me a "traitor", for which I could easily choose to file a case under the IT Act if I wanted to, which said language does no justice to the rank he claims to hold, let me place a few simple facts on record:-

1) The Army Act and its specific requirement of "citizen of India" (exception - Nepali) is paramount. It supercedes any GOI letter. Aliens, foreigners (which is what people voluntarily become when they renounce Indian citizenship to pledge loyalty and fealty to another country) are not covered under the said Act and its applications to other Services. A similar situation exists with civilian pensioners too. Please wait for the announcement on pensions wrt aliens/foreigners, which to some extent is already in place in practice for ECHS/MI Room benefits. Rank or otherwise, what right do foreigners and aliens even if they were in the Indian Armed Forces at one time, have to enter restricted areas which includes Armed Forces Hospitals, Installations, Offices, Air Force St

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Sunday, September 15, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya

First good sense dawned on Sonia.

Could not have happened otherwise.

Indiras technique, to raise to sky,

Ignore

Then, let him rub nose against closed glass door,to,

Beg admission,non chalantly,as a favour.

Routine ointment for anyone , who,

Has so much wool in his head,so easy to pull it down over his eyes.

J.k.chaudhry

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On 15-Sep-2013, at 11:14 AM, "S.D. Sharma" <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:

MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya
Suchandana Gupta, TNN | Sep 12, 2013, 08.29 PM IST

BHOPAL: He was the undisputed and absolute authority in Madhya Pradesh leading the erstwhile Congress government ten years ago. And yet on Wednesday evening, the Congress closed its doors on AICC general secretary and former chief minister Digvijaya Singh denying him entry into a press conference.

For nearly 20 minutes, Digvijaya Singh and his supporters stood outside the doors of the state PCC conference hall banging on the wooden panels and requesting entry even as Union minister of state Jyotiraditya Scindia was talking to the media. Scindia has been appointed the party's state election campaign committee chairman earlier this week while Digvijaya Singh has been left-out of the 22-member election committee panel.

Scindia continued to address the media flanked by AICC general secretary in charge of state party affairs Mohan Prakash, senior leader Sanjay Nirupam, PCC president Kantilal Bhuria and leader of opposition Ajay Singh, while Digvijaya Singh's men made desperate calls from their mobile phones asking Congress workers inside to open the door and make way for his access.

As Digvijaya Singh kept waiting outside, Scindia was talking the press claiming there was no factional rivalry within the party. He claimed leaders like Digvijaya Singh, Union minister Kamal Nath other leaders like Suresh Pachauri and the state top-brass were all strung together in a single garland of unity. Meanwhile the banging on the door continued and Scindia asked Congress workers not to let in whoever was knocking. Senior Congress leader Sanjay Nirupam also instructed that admittance into the hall is not permitted.

Congress workers were seen guarding the door from inside lest the Singh and his supporters managed to unlock the gate. When the doors were not opened, Digvijaya Singh walked around the Congress office compound to gain entry through a back door. But that door was also jammed and a miffed Digvijaya Singh turned to the elevator so he could wait for the rest of the party leaders to join him for an election meeting.

But half-way up the second floor, the elevator stopped working. An infuriated and irate Digvijaya Singh had had enough and told his supporters to turn around and walk-out of the state Congress office. Hurt and humiliated, he climbed into his SUV and left the Congress office with his supporters following in a cavalcade.

Recently with approaching assembly elections, Digvijaya Singh is getting unfair treatment at the hands of party men and specially a much younger Jyotiraditya Scindia who is being portrayed as the Congress' chief minister probable. Earlier this month, the Scindia faction organized a rally in Morena where Digvijaya Singh was kept waiting for more than two hours by the Union minister of state. A much-harassed Digvijaya sat on the dais in Morena sweating profusely and waiting for Scindia's arrival on the stage. The programme scheduled to start at 1pm finally saw Jyotiraditya Scindia arrive at 3:15pm.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya

But this Divijay had his hand in the division of AP which infuriated the seemandhra people.

On Sunday, September 15, 2013, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya
> Suchandana Gupta, TNN | Sep 12, 2013, 08.29 PM IST
>
> BHOPAL: He was the undisputed and absolute authority in Madhya Pradesh leading the erstwhile Congress government ten years ago. And yet on Wednesday evening, the Congress closed its doors on AICC general secretary and former chief minister Digvijaya Singh denying him entry into a press conference.
>
> For nearly 20 minutes, Digvijaya Singh and his supporters stood outside the doors of the state PCC conference hall banging on the wooden panels and requesting entry even as Union minister of state Jyotiraditya Scindia was talking to the media. Scindia has been appointed the party's state election campaign committee chairman earlier this week while Digvijaya Singh has been left-out of the 22-member election committee panel.
>
> Scindia continued to address the media flanked by AICC general secretary in charge of state party affairs Mohan Prakash, senior leader Sanjay Nirupam, PCC president Kantilal Bhuria and leader of opposition Ajay Singh, while Digvijaya Singh's men made desperate calls from their mobile phones asking Congress workers inside to open the door and make way for his access.
>
> As Digvijaya Singh kept waiting outside, Scindia was talking the press claiming there was no factional rivalry within the party. He claimed leaders like Digvijaya Singh, Union minister Kamal Nath other leaders like Suresh Pachauri and the state top-brass were all strung together in a single garland of unity. Meanwhile the banging on the door continued and Scindia asked Congress workers not to let in whoever was knocking. Senior Congress leader Sanjay Nirupam also instructed that admittance into the hall is not permitted.
>
> Congress workers were seen guarding the door from inside lest the Singh and his supporters managed to unlock the gate. When the doors were not opened, Digvijaya Singh walked around the Congress office compound to gain entry through a back door. But that door was also jammed and a miffed Digvijaya Singh turned to the elevator so he could wait for the rest of the party leaders to join him for an election meeting.
>
> But half-way up the second floor, the elevator stopped working. An infuriated and irate Digvijaya Singh had had enough and told his supporters to turn around and walk-out of the state Congress office. Hurt and humiliated, he climbed into his SUV and left the Congress office with his supporters following in a cavalcade.
>
> Recently with approaching assembly elections, Digvijaya Singh is getting unfair treatment at the hands of party men and specially a much younger Jyotiraditya Scindia who is being portrayed as the Congress' chief minister probable. Earlier this month, the Scindia faction organized a rally in Morena where Digvijaya Singh was kept waiting for more than two hours by the Union minister of state. A much-harassed Digvijaya sat on the dais in Morena sweating profusely and waiting for Scindia's arrival on the stage. The programme scheduled to start at 1pm finally saw Jyotiraditya Scindia arrive at 3:15pm.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya

It seems the BJP's Night of the Long Knives virus is spreading to the
grand old Mafia party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

Scindia versus Diggy, Maken versus Shiela, Chattisgarh is the extreme
where the Congress Yuva brigade (nominally aligned to pro-Diggy chaps)
gets Naxals to wipe out all their mustache petes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustache_Pete

On 9/15/13, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya*
> Suchandana Gupta, TNN | Sep 12, 2013, 08.29 PM IST
>
> BHOPAL: He was the undisputed and absolute authority in Madhya Pradesh
> leading the erstwhile Congress government ten years ago. And yet on
> Wednesday evening, the Congress closed its doors on AICC general secretary
> and former chief minister Digvijaya Singh denying him entry into a press
> conference.
>

[IAC#RG] MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya

MP Congress shuts its doors on Digvijaya
Suchandana Gupta, TNN | Sep 12, 2013, 08.29 PM IST

BHOPAL: He was the undisputed and absolute authority in Madhya Pradesh leading the erstwhile Congress government ten years ago. And yet on Wednesday evening, the Congress closed its doors on AICC general secretary and former chief minister Digvijaya Singh denying him entry into a press conference.

For nearly 20 minutes, Digvijaya Singh and his supporters stood outside the doors of the state PCC conference hall banging on the wooden panels and requesting entry even as Union minister of state Jyotiraditya Scindia was talking to the media. Scindia has been appointed the party's state election campaign committee chairman earlier this week while Digvijaya Singh has been left-out of the 22-member election committee panel.

Scindia continued to address the media flanked by AICC general secretary in charge of state party affairs Mohan Prakash, senior leader Sanjay Nirupam, PCC president Kantilal Bhuria and leader of opposition Ajay Singh, while Digvijaya Singh's men made desperate calls from their mobile phones asking Congress workers inside to open the door and make way for his access.

As Digvijaya Singh kept waiting outside, Scindia was talking the press claiming there was no factional rivalry within the party. He claimed leaders like Digvijaya Singh, Union minister Kamal Nath other leaders like Suresh Pachauri and the state top-brass were all strung together in a single garland of unity. Meanwhile the banging on the door continued and Scindia asked Congress workers not to let in whoever was knocking. Senior Congress leader Sanjay Nirupam also instructed that admittance into the hall is not permitted.

Congress workers were seen guarding the door from inside lest the Singh and his supporters managed to unlock the gate. When the doors were not opened, Digvijaya Singh walked around the Congress office compound to gain entry through a back door. But that door was also jammed and a miffed Digvijaya Singh turned to the elevator so he could wait for the rest of the party leaders to join him for an election meeting.

But half-way up the second floor, the elevator stopped working. An infuriated and irate Digvijaya Singh had had enough and told his supporters to turn around and walk-out of the state Congress office. Hurt and humiliated, he climbed into his SUV and left the Congress office with his supporters following in a cavalcade.

Recently with approaching assembly elections, Digvijaya Singh is getting unfair treatment at the hands of party men and specially a much younger Jyotiraditya Scindia who is being portrayed as the Congress' chief minister probable. Earlier this month, the Scindia faction organized a rally in Morena where Digvijaya Singh was kept waiting for more than two hours by the Union minister of state. A much-harassed Digvijaya sat on the dais in Morena sweating profusely and waiting for Scindia's arrival on the stage. The programme scheduled to start at 1pm finally saw Jyotiraditya Scindia arrive at 3:15pm.

Re: [IAC#RG] Why is entire ESM community calling you names?

Type of discussion now underway does not do any justice either to the Group or to Armed Forces. In fact I have no hesitation in saying that the members are not competent to discuss such a vast subject piecemeal like liquor usage and concessions. Perks and certain benefits are given to any service as a package taking all factors into account. Without discussing all the factors how can one single out any issue. This intellectual boxing does not help any one.

If the members are interested in the country they may raise a query as to why there are no volunteers for joining the Armed forces? Please examine all the connected issues and you may get the answers to your doubts.

Regards,

Satish

P.S. Moderator: I do not get your mails.I got this one after a long time. Request look into the matter.

Satish

From: Hirak Nag <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013, 12:05
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Why is entire ESM community calling you names?

Dear Veterans and educated Indians,

I would rather not answer unfounded arguments about privileges extended to the Armed Forces. They are generally illogical and a waste of time for a reply.

Veteran, Hirak Nag.

Dear Mr Malik,

You are logical in your arguments.

Conditions of Service and certain assurances in the form of acknowledgments for service rendered are prevalent in each of our service be it Armed Forces or Civil services.

Leading by example it should start with the IAS the most privileged and molly coddled service and then trickle down to the other services.

With Regards

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Veeresh Malik,
There seems to be a compulsion to question benefits given to Warriors and their families ( serving and ESM). At the same time

there is a mention of close kin including own mother being recipient of Armed Forces ' benefits/ privileges Viz.,

Liquor/ reservation for wards of uniformed personnel in education institutions/ pension/ CSD etc.
If pension is a deferred wage , where is the question of reneging by a civilzed nation to keep the promise UNLESS the person has forfeited the privilege by some misdemeanor and actions against national interests.

Further Warriorship being a Rajas ( ref Tamas, Satvik and Rajo Gunas or Traits) most warriors are wont to take food and items like liquor of Rajas type. Exceptions will always be there where some Warriors are teetotallers and vegetarians . Why sermonise or insist one' s Way of life on an unsuspecting section of society under the garb of protecting tax payers money. It is customary not to grudge the specific privileges extended by a civilized community to specific sections of its society ( MPs, MLAs, Rly men, Men of Telephones , Airlines and so on) .There is no need to rave/ rant at the special privileges .
Further ,it is as improper as questioning the privileged seat or treatment given to elders in the family . The one who questions is prone to suffer ( Like Sisupal in Rajasuya Yagna in Mahabharata when he condemns the participants decision to honor Sri Krsna as lunatic behavior of elders owing to their age related mental atrophy).
May good sense prevail and this running down of Warriors cease forthwith. Incidentally Warriors are also tax payers.
Veteran TTK

On Thursday, August 29, 2013, Veeresh Malik wrote:

Dear Ashok Coomar,

Thank you for writing in, and I must salute your tone of language, far different from the tone used by Shri Pannu.

Now, on contents and some facts:-

1) My mother takes a pension from the Indian Army thanks to my late father, my late maternal grandmother took an award for all 4 sons in the Armed Forces (though only 3 continued, the first had to take a civil job to bring up the zero restart family after '47)

2) I have a list as long as your arm of family members from the close circle of relatives as well as close friends who have been in the Armed Forces and are in the Armed Forces and some have also made the Supreme Sacrifice and so get slightly outraged when people choose to question my patriotism.

3) Not having been in the Armed Forces myself but from an institution which produced the earliest Chiefs of Staff of the Indian Navt as well as other Star Officers for the Indian Army, so connections of not just the Indian Navy, my own training went through the full drill on Armed Forces pattern, and more, including swearing loyalty to flag and country.

My single point question here to you is this - if after retiring, a person from the Indian Armed Forces or Civilian Government services voluntarily exits from Indian citizenship and swears loyalty as well as fealty to another country, then what right does he have to the benefits of the Army Act or similar, whether ex Armed Forces or Civilian?

Would we justify the benefits if, hypothetical situation, the Supreme Commander in Chief, the President of India did something like this?

Please do not try to churn the issue up into other unrelated issues of loyalty, patriotism, and need of the Nation and the hour. I am not a fool to not know the importance of a strong Armed Forces. If it is your contention that strong Armed Forces can not exist without booze, then I have nothing more to say. However, if that was not your contention, then:-

4) As far as duty free booze is concerned, tots of rum could have been justified in gunpowder days, which is what we also were taught, but in this day and age, when Armed Forces personnel are expected to be tech savvy as well as in charge of equipment costing billions? On an ordinary cargo tanker carrying crude oil, a clear window of no booze for 15 days prior is now SOP. A railway engine driver, merchant navy sailor, civil aircraft pilot, truck operator, lab technician, surgeon, teacher, everybody else is supposed to be cold sober nil alcohol. But our Armed Forces expect to get cheap booze?

5) Given half a chance, the dispensation towards no booze needs to be instilled into people joining the Armed Forces from the date of induction, just as it is done in other professions requiring some amount of responsibility. Maybe it is a good idea to put this in the curriculum of the training establishments for the Armed Forces, as is done with responsible Armed Forces, increasingly, worldwide?

Deflecting any rational arguments into vague retorts about being anti-National would make anybody else an easy target, but not me, Coomar, or Pannu - I got far too many family members and friends who have died in the Service of the Nation for you and your ilk to get patronising, condescending and supercilious with me. In addition, I have pursued one too many compensation claim for families of such people where people in service have put obstacles, to not know the truth.

Have a nice day, try and remain sober, and set a good example to the youngsters joining the forces. Calling me names just makes me more keen to do a follow-up article.

Warm regards/Veeresh Malik

On 28 August 2013 19:43, Maj Gen Ashok Coomar <coomar.ashok@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Malik,

It is indeed unfortunate that we have such ignorant citizens in this country who will neither see nor listen to reason. They continue their lament without pausing to analyse whether one should excise the head because of a headache.

There is no alternative to an army to defend the nation. You may be right that there are aberrations but the nation has no option but to take the delinquents to ask rather than spite the entire armed forces as you seem to suggest.

In national interest it is imperative that our countrymen are careful not to run down the entire institution of the armed forces lest it may compels them to follow the lead given by others - forget about the responsibility you are charged with, just line your nest!

Perhaps you can imagine the consequences if that happens.

If you do then please refrain from plying your lonely furrow.

I pray to God to bestow some patriotic wisdom on you,

Yours sincerely,

Ashok Coomar

-------Original Message-------

From: Veeresh Malik

Date: 8/27/2013 11:55:40 PM

To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

Dear Air Commodre (Retd) T Pannu and others in this list.

Ignoring the silly language used by Air Comm Pannu on calling me a "traitor", for which I could easily choose to file a case under the IT Act if I wanted to, which said language does no justice to the rank he claims to hold, let me place a few simple facts on record:-

1) The Army Act and its specific requirement of "citizen of India" (exception - Nepali) is paramount. It supercedes any GOI letter. Aliens, foreigners (which is what people voluntarily become when they renounce Indian citizenship to pledge loyalty and fealty to another country) are not covered under the said Act and its applications to other Services. A similar situation exists with civilian pensioners too. Please wait for the announcement on pensions wrt aliens/foreigners, which to some extent is already in place in practice for ECHS/MI Room benefits. Rank or otherwise, what right do foreigners and aliens even if they were in the Indian Armed Forces at one time, have to enter restricted areas which includes Armed Forces Hospitals, Installations, Offices, Air Force St

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Re: [IAC#RG] FW: MASSIVE CORRUPTION in TV channel rates

These are hardly matters to agitate through andolan. As Sarbjit had
mentioned earlier these kind of regulatory interventions are simply
citizen watchdog initiatives to keep the regulatory bodies alert that
public is wise to them.

If all citizens on IAC mailing list are as alert and knowledgeable as
Sarbjit and his friends, corruption can definitely be reduced in
India.

R.S. Pabbi

On 9/15/13, Venkata Rao <bvrao39@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Sarbajit has made a comprehensive study and has brought out a consumer
> friendly regulation. I cent-percent agree with his suggestions. However,
> this would not get implemented without 'Andolan'.
>
> Gp capt BV Rao(Retd)
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:41:32 +0530
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: [IAC#RG] MASSIVE CORRUPTION in TV channel rates
>
> To IAC subscribers
>
> In pursuance of IAC's MoM mandate to engage with TRAI, please find
> enclosed a DRAFT of what IAC proposes sending to TRAI on Cable TV and
> DTH mafias.
>
> Comments / suggestions are invited till Sunday night as we have to
> submit by 16th evening.
> The TRAI Consultation papers are here.
>
> http://www.trai.gov.in/Content/ConsultationDescription.aspx?CONSULT_ID=691&qid=13
>
> Sarbajit