Re: [IAC#RG] Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict

Supreme  court obiously in this corrupt set up  of politics

On 18 Aug 2013 22:38, "Gopalarao ganugapati" <gvgrao33@gmail.com> wrote:

The eternal question is whether supreme court or the parliament is superior. Can any of our friends answer this?

On Sunday, August 18, 2013, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>  To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>                   Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict           
>
>  
>
> The move of the parliamentarians to make amendment  to ensure that Supreme Court's verdict barring convicted persons from entering parliament and assemblies  is causing concern to citizens who want probity in public life.
>
> Rajaji, the foresighted statesman  wrote an article titled "Lawless Legislation" in Swarajya  dated 14th September,1963, disapproving the tendency of parliamentarians to undo the verdict of Supreme Court.  The extract  from  Rajaji's article  is given below.
>
> The President and Prime Minister as well as the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha should read this and derive the right lessons.
>
>   QUOTE                                             LAWLESS  LEGISLATION
>
> Laws passed contrary to fundamental principles of law have been called  `lawless‟ laws. When they are contrary not only to fundamental principles but to  the express Articles of the Constitution embodying them, they are still more lawless.
>
> And the climax of lawlessness is reached, when the law actually seeks to amend the  Constitution itself, in order to bring it into line with itself. The lawlessness is  aggravated by a spirit of open rebellion against the Constitution.
>
> The Constitution has, no doubt, laid down procedure for amending the Constitution.  To utilize those provisions in order to legalize what is contrary to the intent and  purpose of the Articles relating to fundamental – that is, inviolable – basic rights is to use the letter of the Constitution to defeat the Constitution itself and to “make  faith void and sacred promises of none effect”.
>
> These rights embodied in the Constitution are called fundamental, because they are  not rights newly conferred on the citizen by the State but are a recognition and  confirmation of freedom coeval with birth in a civilized country.
>
> If each time the Supreme Court gives an adverse verdict against the Government in  respect of the validity of a law passed at its instance, the Government organize a  constitutional amendment to be steam rolled  though  Parliament in order to make the  judicial pronouncement of none effect.
>
> In the process, the image of the Supreme Court is bound to lose all public respect.  Supreme Court will ultimately lose its own sense of confidence and independence. It  is superfluous to point out that this is against the spirit and structure of the Constitution.
>
> UNQUOTE
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
>
> Email :- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
>

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Machilipatnam,521001

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Phone: Landline 91 8672 221315

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Re: [IAC#RG] Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict

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This attitude of parliamentarians simply reflect the selfish motive of them for power not thr the honest spirit of serving the nation as chosen representatives of the country  simply in the name of cast and social engineering and lust for you in power the country is being led slowly to pitiable situations we should resist it otherwise our top trusting institutions will loose faith in themselves

On 18 Aug 2013 22:38, "Gopalarao ganugapati" <gvgrao33@gmail.com> wrote:

The eternal question is whether supreme court or the parliament is superior. Can any of our friends answer this?

On Sunday, August 18, 2013, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>  To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>                   Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict           
>
>  
>
> The move of the parliamentarians to make amendment  to ensure that Supreme Court's verdict barring convicted persons from entering parliament and assemblies  is causing concern to citizens who want probity in public life.
>
> Rajaji, the foresighted statesman  wrote an article titled "Lawless Legislation" in Swarajya  dated 14th September,1963, disapproving the tendency of parliamentarians to undo the verdict of Supreme Court.  The extract  from  Rajaji's article  is given below.
>
> The President and Prime Minister as well as the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha should read this and derive the right lessons.
>
>   QUOTE                                             LAWLESS  LEGISLATION
>
> Laws passed contrary to fundamental principles of law have been called  `lawless‟ laws. When they are contrary not only to fundamental principles but to  the express Articles of the Constitution embodying them, they are still more lawless.
>
> And the climax of lawlessness is reached, when the law actually seeks to amend the  Constitution itself, in order to bring it into line with itself. The lawlessness is  aggravated by a spirit of open rebellion against the Constitution.
>
> The Constitution has, no doubt, laid down procedure for amending the Constitution.  To utilize those provisions in order to legalize what is contrary to the intent and  purpose of the Articles relating to fundamental – that is, inviolable – basic rights is to use the letter of the Constitution to defeat the Constitution itself and to “make  faith void and sacred promises of none effect”.
>
> These rights embodied in the Constitution are called fundamental, because they are  not rights newly conferred on the citizen by the State but are a recognition and  confirmation of freedom coeval with birth in a civilized country.
>
> If each time the Supreme Court gives an adverse verdict against the Government in  respect of the validity of a law passed at its instance, the Government organize a  constitutional amendment to be steam rolled  though  Parliament in order to make the  judicial pronouncement of none effect.
>
> In the process, the image of the Supreme Court is bound to lose all public respect.  Supreme Court will ultimately lose its own sense of confidence and independence. It  is superfluous to point out that this is against the spirit and structure of the Constitution.
>
> UNQUOTE
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
>
> Email :- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
>

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26/378A,Buttaipeta.

Machilipatnam,521001

INDIA.

Phone: Landline 91 8672 221315

Cell:7893935473 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: [IAC#RG] block message

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I did not know earlier
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Re: [IAC#RG] Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict

The eternal question is whether supreme court or the parliament is superior. Can any of our friends answer this?

On Sunday, August 18, 2013, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>  To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>                   Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict           
>
>  
>
> The move of the parliamentarians to make amendment  to ensure that Supreme Court's verdict barring convicted persons from entering parliament and assemblies  is causing concern to citizens who want probity in public life.
>
> Rajaji, the foresighted statesman  wrote an article titled "Lawless Legislation" in Swarajya  dated 14th September,1963, disapproving the tendency of parliamentarians to undo the verdict of Supreme Court.  The extract  from  Rajaji's article  is given below.
>
> The President and Prime Minister as well as the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha should read this and derive the right lessons.
>
>   QUOTE                                             LAWLESS  LEGISLATION
>
> Laws passed contrary to fundamental principles of law have been called  `lawless‟ laws. When they are contrary not only to fundamental principles but to  the express Articles of the Constitution embodying them, they are still more lawless.
>
> And the climax of lawlessness is reached, when the law actually seeks to amend the  Constitution itself, in order to bring it into line with itself. The lawlessness is  aggravated by a spirit of open rebellion against the Constitution.
>
> The Constitution has, no doubt, laid down procedure for amending the Constitution.  To utilize those provisions in order to legalize what is contrary to the intent and  purpose of the Articles relating to fundamental – that is, inviolable – basic rights is to use the letter of the Constitution to defeat the Constitution itself and to “make  faith void and sacred promises of none effect”.
>
> These rights embodied in the Constitution are called fundamental, because they are  not rights newly conferred on the citizen by the State but are a recognition and  confirmation of freedom coeval with birth in a civilized country.
>
> If each time the Supreme Court gives an adverse verdict against the Government in  respect of the validity of a law passed at its instance, the Government organize a  constitutional amendment to be steam rolled  though  Parliament in order to make the  judicial pronouncement of none effect.
>
> In the process, the image of the Supreme Court is bound to lose all public respect.  Supreme Court will ultimately lose its own sense of confidence and independence. It  is superfluous to point out that this is against the spirit and structure of the Constitution.
>
> UNQUOTE
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
>
> Email :- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
>

--

G.V.Gopalarao,BA,BE,DIIT,MIE
Professional Engineer (IEI)

26/378A,Buttaipeta.

Machilipatnam,521001

INDIA.

Phone: Landline 91 8672 221315

Cell:7893935473 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IAC#RG] Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict

 To

India Against Corruption

                  Rajaji's views on amendment to nullify Supreme Court verdict           

 

The move of the parliamentarians to make amendment  to ensure that Supreme Court's verdict barring convicted persons from entering parliament and assemblies  is causing concern to citizens who want probity in public life.

Rajaji, the foresighted statesman  wrote an article titled "Lawless Legislation" in Swarajya  dated 14th September,1963, disapproving the tendency of parliamentarians to undo the verdict of Supreme Court.  The extract  from  Rajaji's article  is given below.

The President and Prime Minister as well as the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha should read this and derive the right lessons.

  QUOTE                                             LAWLESS  LEGISLATION

Laws passed contrary to fundamental principles of law have been called  `lawless‟ laws. When they are contrary not only to fundamental principles but to  the express Articles of the Constitution embodying them, they are still more lawless.

And the climax of lawlessness is reached, when the law actually seeks to amend the  Constitution itself, in order to bring it into line with itself. The lawlessness is  aggravated by a spirit of open rebellion against the Constitution.

The Constitution has, no doubt, laid down procedure for amending the Constitution.  To utilize those provisions in order to legalize what is contrary to the intent and  purpose of the Articles relating to fundamental – that is, inviolable – basic rights is to use the letter of the Constitution to defeat the Constitution itself and to “make  faith void and sacred promises of none effect”.

These rights embodied in the Constitution are called fundamental, because they are  not rights newly conferred on the citizen by the State but are a recognition and  confirmation of freedom coeval with birth in a civilized country.

If each time the Supreme Court gives an adverse verdict against the Government in  respect of the validity of a law passed at its instance, the Government organize a  constitutional amendment to be steam rolled  though  Parliament in order to make the  judicial pronouncement of none effect.

In the process, the image of the Supreme Court is bound to lose all public respect.  Supreme Court will ultimately lose its own sense of confidence and independence. It  is superfluous to point out that this is against the spirit and structure of the Constitution.

UNQUOTE

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice For The Deprived

Email :- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: [HumJanenge] SAVE RTI Appoint RTI activists as CIC Information Commissioners

CLARIFICATION

 

This is to clarify that the NCPRI has neither issued any statement demanding the appointment of RTI activists as Information Commissioners nor has it authorised any person to issue such a statement. The email with the subject line: "SAVE RTI Appoint activists as CIC Information Commissioners" sent via email id: ncpri2004@yahoo.co.in, mentioning one of our members - Ms. Amrita Johri, is not only fraudulent but also mischievous. The official email id of NCPRI is ncpri.india@gmail.com. We request readers to check with us first whenever they receive such fraudulent messages.

Please circulate this clarification amongst your networks to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding about the NCPRI.

 

Nikhil Dey, Anjali Bhardwaj & Venkatesh Nayak

(Co-convenors of the NCPRI)

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:

Amrita,

The tip on RaiSinha is actually 4 months under India's first woman Chief Information Commissioner, with PKM getting in for now as an IC like ANT did ?

RS "Raminder" Pabbi

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM, NCPRI INDIA <ncpri2004@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

To Dear all,

 

15 August 2013

 

The National Campaign for Peoples' Right to Information (NCPRI) supports the popular demand expressed by Anna Hazare that selections for 5 approved posts for Central Information Commissioners, including Chief Information Commissioner, be only filled from those applicants who are not from the category "widely experienced in administration and governance", which category has been garnering a disproportionately excessive share in such posts.

 

Thank you,

 

Amrita Johri

 

9810273984

 

(On behalf of the NCPRI)

 

-- National Campaign for People's Right to Information

 

Email: ncpri.india@gmail.com

 

www.righttoinformation.info

 

In reply to

 

Dear all RTI activists

 

The Govt and BJP have already decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner.

We request all RTI activists to join Anna's Save RTI campaign.

Please reply to this email with your details like name address and mobile.

RTI activists please submit their names, mobile and address for Anna's Save RTI campaign. on this online form also if you are not member of any mailing list

Next CIC P.K.Misra - Secretary DoPT

The Govt and BJP have decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner. They have taken this decision without issuing any notice or seeking applications for the post. Govt. only wants pliable person in such sensitive positions who know the tricks by which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to escape from giving information. A person who will never impose penalty on the bureaucracy so that he will keep his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement. Pradeep Kumar Mishra is such a person and it is fixed with Sushma Swaraj that he will be sent to the Central Information Commission. GOD SAVE RTI

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

1) The online form is not working

2) In terms of Oct.18 2012 agreement, please do not use "India Against Corruption" wording under Anna's photo's

3) Who is Anna Hazare to select a panel of 5 names ?

 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, join bvga <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:

PLEASE  ADD  YOUR  NAME

Reply to his email or fill the online form

SAVE RTI Appoint RTI activists as CIC Information Commissioners

Save-RTI, stop DoPT secretly appointing only retired babus to Central Information Commission.

ANNA HAZARE APPEALS to INDIA

ANNA HAZARE says only citizens can save RTI now.
ANNA HAZARE says VOTE OUT BOTH Congress and the BJP unless all 5 Information Commissioners appointed now are RTI activists.

Next CIC P.K.Misra - Secretary DoPT

The Govt and BJP have decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner. They have taken this decision without issuing any notice or seeking applications for the post. Govt. only wants pliable person in such sensitive positions who know the tricks by which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to escape from goving information. A person who will never impose penalty on the bureaucracy so that he will get his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement. Pradeep Kumar Mishra is such a person and it is fixed with Sushma Swaraj that he will be sent to the Central Information Commission. GOD SAVE RTI

What can citizen do to save RTI?

Section 12(5)of RTI Act
"The Chief Information Commissioner and Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or administration and governance".This does not mean that only Babus can be appointed

India's War Against Corruption will only succeed if honest persons experienced in fighting against corruption for years and who know the tricks of bureaucracy to deny information are appointed to the Information Commission. Anna has prepared a panel list of 5 such honest activist persons to send it to PM and demand that they and only they be appointed.

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Re: [HumJanenge] SAVE RTI Appoint RTI activists as CIC Information Commissioners

CLARIFICATION

 

This is to clarify that the NCPRI has neither issued any statement demanding the appointment of RTI activists as Information Commissioners nor has it authorised any person to issue such a statement. The email with the subject line: "SAVE RTI Appoint activists as CIC Information Commissioners" sent via email id: ncpri2004@yahoo.co.in, mentioning one of our members - Ms. Amrita Johri, is not only fraudulent but also mischievous. The official email id of NCPRI is ncpri.india@gmail.com. We request readers to check with us first whenever they receive such fraudulent messages.

Please circulate this clarification amongst your networks to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding about the NCPRI.

 

Nikhil Dey, Anjali Bhardwaj & Venkatesh Nayak

(Co-convenors of the NCPRI)

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:

Amrita,

The tip on RaiSinha is actually 4 months under India's first woman Chief Information Commissioner, with PKM getting in for now as an IC like ANT did ?

RS "Raminder" Pabbi

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM, NCPRI INDIA <ncpri2004@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

To Dear all,

 

15 August 2013

 

The National Campaign for Peoples' Right to Information (NCPRI) supports the popular demand expressed by Anna Hazare that selections for 5 approved posts for Central Information Commissioners, including Chief Information Commissioner, be only filled from those applicants who are not from the category "widely experienced in administration and governance", which category has been garnering a disproportionately excessive share in such posts.

 

Thank you,

 

Amrita Johri

 

9810273984

 

(On behalf of the NCPRI)

 

-- National Campaign for People's Right to Information

 

Email: ncpri.india@gmail.com

 

www.righttoinformation.info

 

In reply to

 

Dear all RTI activists

 

The Govt and BJP have already decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner.

We request all RTI activists to join Anna's Save RTI campaign.

Please reply to this email with your details like name address and mobile.

RTI activists please submit their names, mobile and address for Anna's Save RTI campaign. on this online form also if you are not member of any mailing list

Next CIC P.K.Misra - Secretary DoPT

The Govt and BJP have decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner. They have taken this decision without issuing any notice or seeking applications for the post. Govt. only wants pliable person in such sensitive positions who know the tricks by which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to escape from giving information. A person who will never impose penalty on the bureaucracy so that he will keep his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement. Pradeep Kumar Mishra is such a person and it is fixed with Sushma Swaraj that he will be sent to the Central Information Commission. GOD SAVE RTI

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

1) The online form is not working

2) In terms of Oct.18 2012 agreement, please do not use "India Against Corruption" wording under Anna's photo's

3) Who is Anna Hazare to select a panel of 5 names ?

 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, join bvga <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:

PLEASE  ADD  YOUR  NAME

Reply to his email or fill the online form

SAVE RTI Appoint RTI activists as CIC Information Commissioners

Save-RTI, stop DoPT secretly appointing only retired babus to Central Information Commission.

ANNA HAZARE APPEALS to INDIA

ANNA HAZARE says only citizens can save RTI now.
ANNA HAZARE says VOTE OUT BOTH Congress and the BJP unless all 5 Information Commissioners appointed now are RTI activists.

Next CIC P.K.Misra - Secretary DoPT

The Govt and BJP have decided that Pradeep Kumar Mishra will be appointed as next Chief Information Commissioner. They have taken this decision without issuing any notice or seeking applications for the post. Govt. only wants pliable person in such sensitive positions who know the tricks by which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to escape from goving information. A person who will never impose penalty on the bureaucracy so that he will get his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement. Pradeep Kumar Mishra is such a person and it is fixed with Sushma Swaraj that he will be sent to the Central Information Commission. GOD SAVE RTI

What can citizen do to save RTI?

Section 12(5)of RTI Act
"The Chief Information Commissioner and Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or administration and governance".This does not mean that only Babus can be appointed

India's War Against Corruption will only succeed if honest persons experienced in fighting against corruption for years and who know the tricks of bureaucracy to deny information are appointed to the Information Commission. Anna has prepared a panel list of 5 such honest activist persons to send it to PM and demand that they and only they be appointed.

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