Monday, June 17, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Online RTI facility extended to President Secretariat and MEA

Dear Murali,How do we find out whether Home Minister of India after his official meeting with US Homeland ministry-22 to 25May ,was attending social getto gether at Baltimore ,though he told press he had an appointment with Eye specialist Hence he did not rush back despite Maos had killed 27 personnel including ex cabinet Minister-who susequently died in hospital.

He only returned to India on 29th May

Will appreciate your inputs

With Best wishes

RAMESH PATIL

MRCI

From: Murali Krishnan <rti4citizens@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013 12:00 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Online RTI facility extended to President Secretariat and MEA

Sarbajit and other RTI gurus,

Online RTI facility extended to President Secretariat and MEA

"However, the department has asked people not to file information related to state governments.

"Please do not file RTI applications through this portal for the public authorities under the state governments, including Government of National Capital Territory of Delhi. If filed, the application would be returned, without refund of amount,"

Doesn't this seem wrong ? Why no transfer under 6(3) ?

Murali

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[IAC#RG] Online RTI facility extended to President Secretariat and MEA

Sarbajit and other RTI gurus,

Online RTI facility extended to President Secretariat and MEA

"However, the department has asked people not to file information related to state governments.

"Please do not file RTI applications through this portal for the public authorities under the state governments, including Government of National Capital Territory of Delhi. If filed, the application would be returned, without refund of amount,"

Doesn't this seem wrong ? Why no transfer under 6(3) ?

Murali

Re: [IAC#RG] Another patriot gone

i was there on deputation in 1970-71 just for 9 months in one of the wings

i feel like neta jee disappearance which is hidden by govt. and what not by congress, big bosses get benefits to hide facts n get promotions

false becomes facts n facts reversed and hidden untrue

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Bahukutumbi Raman passed away in Chennai on Sunday evening after a prolonged fight with cancer. He was 77.
Described as an asset by the Indian intelligence community, "B. Raman" was a former additional secretary with the Cabinet secretariat. He was also the director of the Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai and one of India's foremost security experts and one of the founders of India's external intelligence wing -- the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW)
He had also written a memoir titled "Kaoboys of Research and Analysis Wing: Down Memory Lane".
I had filed an RTI based on this book (and also another by Maloy Dhar) to the CabSec a few years back. A JointSec of Cabsec called me back and requested me not to pursue it further in National Interest. I replied that the fact of my queries were in public domain was enough.

some samples
b) Decision / policy, if any, to bifurcate IB to create R&AW on 21.Sep.1968 or thereabouts

c) Decision(s) / policy, if any, to constitute or deploy covert action units of R&AW after 1968,

d) Decision(s) / policy, if any, to constitute or deploy covert action units of Directorate-General of Security (DGS) after 1968,

e) A copy of the noting(s) by B.N.Mullick (former Director IB) constituting the "Burma Branch" presently with R&AW Archives,

f) Copy of the note issued by Indian Ambassador to Burma, and later supplied to R&AW in 1968-69, stating that Govt of India I had no objection to Chinese assistance to Burma (now Myanmar) for aerial photography of Indian territory,

g) Decision to destroy / weed out from R&AW records the transcripts of records of negotiations for settlement by Mr Rajiv Gandhi, Mr R.N. Kao and others recorded by Mr B Raman before Army was sent into Golden Temple Amritsar in June 1984, along with record(s) of factum of destruction. NB: Mr. B Raman former Addl Secy of R&AW has published that that these valuable historical records were
entrusted by him to R&AW archives around 31,August 1994 in the hope they are made available to future historians

h) Decision to destroy / weed out from R&AW records, communications from American Baptist missionaries in Burma (Kachin State) to R&AW after October 1968, along with records of factum of destruction.

i) Decision to destroy / weed out the Indian Army's minute of dissent to Joint Intelligence Committee concerning over-assessment of Naga hostiles sent to China for training in 1968-69, along with records of factum of destruction.

j) Decision to conduct an enquiry into suspicions that CIA was involved in assassination of Mrs Indira Gandhi. It is pertinent that Mr B Raman former Addl Secy R&AW, has alleged the enquiry "could not prove this suspicion".

k) Decision(s) / policy not to upgrade India's "weak" (per Mr B Raman) maritime intelligence capability concerning US and naval development in Indian Ocean region.
Entire document here [ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rti_india/message/4808 ]

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[IAC#RG] Another patriot gone

Bahukutumbi Raman passed away in Chennai on Sunday evening after a prolonged fight with cancer. He was 77.

Described as an asset by the Indian intelligence community, "B. Raman" was a former additional secretary with the Cabinet secretariat. He was also the director of the Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai and one of India's foremost security experts and one of the founders of India's external intelligence wing -- the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW)

He had also written a memoir titled "Kaoboys of Research and Analysis Wing: Down Memory Lane".

I had filed an RTI based on this book (and also another by Maloy Dhar) to the CabSec a few years back. A JointSec of Cabsec called me back and requested me not to pursue it further in National Interest. I replied that the fact of my queries were in public domain was enough.

some samples

b) Decision / policy, if any, to bifurcate IB to create R&AW on 21.Sep.1968 or thereabouts

c) Decision(s) / policy, if any, to constitute or deploy covert action units of R&AW after 1968,

d) Decision(s) / policy, if any, to constitute or deploy covert action units of Directorate-General of Security (DGS) after 1968,

e) A copy of the noting(s) by B.N.Mullick (former Director IB) constituting the "Burma Branch" presently with R&AW Archives,

f) Copy of the note issued by Indian Ambassador to Burma, and later supplied to R&AW in 1968-69, stating that Govt of India I had no objection to Chinese assistance to Burma (now Myanmar) for aerial photography of Indian territory,

g) Decision to destroy / weed out from R&AW records the transcripts of records of negotiations for settlement by Mr Rajiv Gandhi, Mr R.N. Kao and others recorded by Mr B Raman before Army was sent into Golden Temple Amritsar in June 1984, along with record(s) of factum of destruction. NB: Mr. B Raman former Addl Secy of R&AW has published that that these valuable historical records were
entrusted by him to R&AW archives around 31,August 1994 in the hope they are made available to future historians

h) Decision to destroy / weed out from R&AW records, communications from American Baptist missionaries in Burma (Kachin State) to R&AW after October 1968, along with records of factum of destruction.

i) Decision to destroy / weed out the Indian Army's minute of dissent to Joint Intelligence Committee concerning over-assessment of Naga hostiles sent to China for training in 1968-69, along with records of factum of destruction.

j) Decision to conduct an enquiry into suspicions that CIA was involved in assassination of Mrs Indira Gandhi. It is pertinent that Mr B Raman former Addl Secy R&AW, has alleged the enquiry "could not prove this suspicion".

k) Decision(s) / policy not to upgrade India's "weak" (per Mr B Raman) maritime intelligence capability concerning US and naval development in Indian Ocean region.

Entire document here [ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rti_india/message/4808 ]

Sarbajit

Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE: publication by India Against Corruption

Pleas, Sarbajit, do not compare this idiot with Galileo Galilei or any of the stalwarts of the European or Indian renaissance. They were rational scientists, or social scientists ( if you will) who were trying to get the world to see sense. This guy wants to put the clock back in the most reactionary way.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Anamika R <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think there was any dissidence reflected in the piece. Nor was the release so simple.

It reflected a stance which can't be viewed as objective at all. It certainly was not discussing any rocket science.

As regards the three women, NDTV is yet to get to us!

By the way, Wikipedia has 2 dissidents reflected now sans Nehru.

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On 15-Jun-2013, at 13:36, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

"EXTREMIST" ???

So you want only normal / bland / safe / conventional views to exist. In your cloistered world the term "dissident" ought not to exist ?

Let us all collectively forget that Galileo held extremist views. So did Martin Luther, Jai Prakash Narain and Adolf Hitler.

In the warped "controlled" world of Wikipedia Jawaharlal Nehru (?) is one of only 4 "dissidents" India had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_dissidents

I suppose we should let only Arundhati Roy or Madhu Kishwar or Ranjana Kumari speak on behalf of Indian women - because these are the only faces we see jabbering away on NDTV.

SIFF's theme is simple - Gender specific laws like Domestic Violence Act and IPC 498A are being abused and should either be repealed or made gender neutral.

This is now substantially also IAC's position (arrived at after much internal debate and discussion) as IAC conveyed to the Justice Verma Committee. A copy of IAC's submission can be accessed at IAC's website.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Anamika R <anamikaiac@gmail.com> wrote:

I had similar opinion as Vidyut on the piece from Mr Sarkar. I am not getting into details of what he has put forth, as Vidyut has already done so.

To even think of putting the problems women face with those of men is audacious, to say the least.

We must not encourage extremist views, even if we propagate freedom of press.

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Sunday, June 16, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Congress last ditch effort in Rank Pay case

WE ARE WITH YOU MR. SARBAJIT ROY. YOUR NAME ITSELF MEANS TOTAL VICTORY. WARN THE AG GHOLAM VAHANAVATI AND EXPOSE HIM TO THE MEDIA. ELECTION IS THEIR STARING IN THEIR FACE. EVERY VOTE COUNTS. THEY CANNOT AND WOULD NOT WANT TO MISS OUT ON A SOLID CHUNK OF VATARANS VOTE, TOGETHER WITH THEIR FAMILY AND SUPPORTERS.
PLEASE HAMMER THE IRON, ITS RED HOT !!!
JOY P. CHHETRY
PHOENIX, AZ., USA.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Congress last ditch effort in Rank Pay case

India Against Corruption is concerned that crafty Congress Party is again out to shaft our IESMs and servicemen in the Major Dhanapalan / Rank Pay case by referring the matter to Attorney-General Ghoolam Vahanavati - their ultimate lying knave - who even got CBI taken out of RTI with a biased and unprofessional opinion (180 degrees opposed to what SG Gopal Subramaniam) had written which IAC G.Sec Karira and I inspected at DoPT.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ministry-of-defence-ak-antony-rank-pay-matter-attorney-general/1/280281.html

IESMs 'loha garam hain hathoda maro' but you chaps are bungling about and being misled up the garden path by political forces. Get united on this and meet all parties - especially the ruling party - in full force..