But he is ot after few thousands or lacs; he wants whole lot to be brought back. Any proof that he was a part of Chidembaram junket to Deoband?Orisit a fig of your imagination to ridicule him as a member of loot company? V.S.Sardesai
--- On Sun, 10/3/13, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 1:19 PM
Dear Sabhlok Few lakhs of foreign black money coming back will not affect the future of the nation Ramdev in 2009 was part of Chidambaram junket to Deoband to convince maulanas to support Congress. Baba Ramdev, Swami Agnivesh and Sachin Pilot were the other attendees. The meeting of about 25,000 Saudi financed Sunni imams was to ensure that Muslims will not have to sing Vande Mataram. The convenor of this famous meeting was Malauna Masood Madani Ever since then Baba Ramdev has been the kiss of death to the BJP and except for a few non-entities in the party like Ram Jethmalani and Arun Jaitley nobody wants open association with Baba. In 2012 BJP lost Uttarakhand to Congress because of a corrupt deal by CM Ramesh Nishank (on instructions of Arun Jaitley) to sell precious herbs worth Rs. 500 crores to Baba Ramdev at 25% of the open market price. Even bringing back Khanduri as CM could not stop this damage Baba Ramdev is only the sideshow, watch what happens in BJP and if Baba can mend fences with Congress and prevent files of CBI enquiy into disappearance of Swami Shankar Dev in 2007 from emerging into Digvijay's hands S D Sharma On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com> wrote: From the various speeches, articles in favour/against Swami Ramev and many e-mails I find Swami Ramdev's followers want the ollowing.1. Bring back several lakhs of rupees stashed abroad and utilise the same for the welfare of India and people of India2. End corrupt practices in India by throwing rudderless and confused Socialism in dustbin and revive liberalism, freedom and Swaraj. 3. No pseudo Secularism but genuine Secularism where religion, caste, creed etc will not be used for votebank.4. Revival of Vedas and good governance as advised in Vedas and Kautilya's Arthashastra5. Revive Spirtual Science and say goodbye to fake spirtualism of egoistic commercial gurus/swami My study/analysis can be improved as I never met Baba Ramdev. I am told he lives in a small room, sleeps on the floor, takes strict vegetarian food, spreads Vedic knoweledge to seekers and wants Politics to become the Noblest Endeavour so that 100% People of India can freely particiapte in politics. RegardsPrem Sabhlok
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:00:47 +0530 From: sroy.mb@gmail.comTo: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics
Dear Shailyji,
Persons like you who have been in IAC during the period we were not in it certainly have every cause to be angered at Kejriwal and Anna for the way they allowed the anti-corruption movement to be hijacked / derailed. These rootless wonders who were banking upon Sri Ravi Sankar's promised magical crowds which never materialised were reduced to begging for bodies to put before the media camera from every source possible including RSS, VP Singh's morcha, HRA and of course Ramdev.
Frankly I have no idea what Ramdev stands for exactly, or what he propagates or has done on the anti-corruption front. Merely raising a hullabaloo over black money stashed abroad and asking for it to be brought back does not constitute fighting against corruption. This is one of the oldest issues in India since at least Bofors days and nothing has come of it.
Mr. Baig has a valid point that Ramdev is beleaguered with the Congress in power in his home turf of Himachal Pradesh. Now the screws can be put on him over his land deals and most importantly over the licencing and quality and taxes of his ayurveda pharmacy empire. In other words he will be as much under the control of Congress Party as Mr. Mulalyam Singh Yadav is in UP and as such is undependable. No wonder the 2 Yadavs have met repeatedly to work out a joint strategy to counter Congress imperialism. No wonder also that Ramdev is publicly scrambling to confabulate with ex-babus like Shailaja Chandra known for her powerful Congress and Health Ministry links (see attached photos).
At the end of the day, despite all issues, Bharat votes along lines of religion, caste etc. Intellectuals are deluding themselves if they feel they have any role to play outside their urban areas. The rural areas are in any case going over to LWE (Left Wing Extremism) which is another issue IAC has to seriously discuss.
For all our members, please be assured that the day Ramdev becomes openly political, we shall ask his followers/supporters to delink from our apolitical movement, since the only thing Ramdev and IAC seem to have in common at the present time is our demand that citizens be allowed to bear arms legally.
Sarbajit
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:30 AM, CyberTec Solutions <shailyji@gmail.com> wrote: Anybody who is against corruption and against this rotton system should be on Baba ramdev's side. He is the only hope one which India can survive for betterment. He is a deciding force in India and whole India has seen what values Baba propagate.
This fourm and the whole country has seen kejriwal and Anna has done nothing but wasting time and precious efforts to Indian volunteers in the name of Anti corruption. Because of them movement against rotton system has been derailed and thousands of volunteers who wanted to clean the system are now in a state of distrust and are demoralized.
Whereas Baba ramdev is still standing tall with his mission and his values. He have shown many times that what ever method of oppression govt. adopt he is defiant as before.
We all Indians who really want to change the current pathetic condition of India should support Baba Ramdev in his efforts. Sir
India Against Corruption members should be kept aware of Baba Ramdev's active entry into politics. He is already in trouble for his products, his land deals, his foreign associates and his murky financial affairs. Recently the Himachal government took over his prime land where he has carried out massive illegal constructions but the High Court gave Baba a stay.
With his massive money power and SaiBaba like ability to win friends and influence people, Ramdev is desperately attempting to garner support from intellectual classes to give him respectability. To appear secular he is touring the country with maulvis, fathers and jain munis. He may even try and infiltrate the IAC movement.
The Indian Express has this to say today.
Shailaja Bajpai : New Delhi, Wed Mar 09 2011, 15:02 hrs The curious case of Baba Ramdev says as much about the nature of television in India as it does about his abilities as a yoga guru and televangelist. Last week, you would have found him on the mat – where else – striking poses he's unaccustomed to, and letting off steam rather than breathing in and out 'om vilom' style. He was Breaking News on many news channels, especially the Hindi news channels, after Congress' Digvijay Singh asked him to reveal the sources of his money and donations. This follows Baba Ramdev's campaign against black money which he often launches into between 'kapalbhati' lessons and his recent confrontation with Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP Ninong Ering who allegedly abused him during a yoga session for attacking the Congress Party on the issue of black money. Baba Ramdev has made no secret of his political ambitions in the last one year. For those of us who have been watching his progress on the tube (not youtube but the television tube), this is no surprise. His drive to cleanse politics and the country of corruption, are integral to his discourses on healthy living now. Having spent years administering to our bodies and souls, he's turned his attention to the ills in the body politic. This is a logical progression; if watch him conduct one of his innumerable TV sessions, you'll soon discover that he has been repeating himself and now that millions of Indians seem ready to contort themselves into his shapes and sizes, it's time for him to move on. Where else will he go but politics, given the kind of countrywide popularity he enjoys? If there is one person who has grown along with with the phenomenal spread of television throughout the country, it is Baba Ramdev. He is a creature of TV, if not its creation. I have been told stories of viewers who have forsaken the comfort of their sofas watching saas-bahu serials, to genuflect before him on TV. It's been an incredible success story and nobody should doubt the standing he enjoys with his yoga followers. Television has done everything it possibly could to increase their tribe. Baba Ramdev holds yoga classes on Doordarshan, most news channels, on Astha and then on Sanskar spiritual channels; regional language channels tune into these sessions too and there are live broadcasts of his trips across the country, and abroad. Nobody else in any field comes even close to him terms of television exposure. Increasingly, Baba Ramdev talks about issues far below the high-minded discourses that elevated him to a guru. (Coca Cola, for instance, which he once described as worse than a toilet cleaner). And that's the rub: if he finds himself attacked by politicians today, it is because he's descended to their level. He's using the platform he ascended with the power of yoga to propagate his views on policies, on governance; he's advocating the death penalty for corruption and pointing fingers at political parties and their leaders. He's playing politics, not the first guru to do so. Remember the power Dhirender Brahmachari exercised during Mrs Indira Gandhi's prime-ministership? However, once he's into politics, it becomes dirty, as he has now discovered. And he's being forced to appear on TV, not as a spiritual guide, but as one more person who must defend and/or explain himself. This could dim the TV-Teflon-coated protective sheen he has acquired from his televangelism. As everyone has found out, even a TV personality like Barkha Dutt after the Radiia tapes, breaking news, news channels do not discriminate on the basis of anything, not even the spiritual; anyone and everyone is fair game in their insatiable hunger for news and confrontations. As he becomes more and political in his discourses leading up to the general elections of 2014, Baba Ramdev may find it difficult to maintain the lofty heights he's accustomed to, and the television that has helped make him who he is, could also break him.
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