Sunday, March 3, 2013

[IAC#RG] ACTION: This fraud called "elections"

Dear Members,

Many people ask us why IAC has opted to be "APOLITICAL", and also if IAC supports selection of "good" candidates who will supposedly do "good" things in Parliament which will magically make India into "Golden India" or "Shining India" or "Ram Rajya" etc.

Last year in December I had circulated a summary of the 1972's Nobel Prize in Economics winner's research (Kenneth Arrow) accessible here
http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html

In short, Mr Arrow proved that you can't aggregate individual preferences to define a group preference between multiple options.

So straightaway IAC says that the present Indian system of conducting elections (based in turn on the Westminster model) is a complete fraud and eyewash to ensure that either a dominant party or the next dominant party (in India's case the Congress and the BJP respectively) stick on in power without being obliged to represent the electorate.

Now that the public has begun to see through their game, these scamster parties have come up with another device to fool the citizens - the so-called "Right to Reject" or the 49-O option - which is a "none-of-the above" or "ZERO" option. This essentially means that in, say an election with 4 "serious" candidates for eg. Cong, BJP, Lefitist and a powerful rebel, you end up creating a 5th serious candidate who will split the vote further to ensure that the 2 top parties carry on.

IAC, with its thousands of intelligent members who know basic mathematics and logic at their fingertips, is obviously not going to subscribe or support such patent nonsense. IAC's highest deliberative bodies have been considering this issue for many decades now. We have come to the following conclusion

"If  IAC is to support the present system of voting legislated through the Representation of the People's Act 1951, then the PRESCRIBED mode of voting u/s 59 and elsewhere must include a NEGATIVE vote which will allow the voter to REJECT, ie cast a -1 vote against, a candidate he REJECTS".

To clarify, my present MP is Mr. Ajay Maken;  If 10,000 voters feel Mr. Maken has done no work in the past 5 years, they should be allowed to case 10,000 "-1 vote"s against him, instead of wasting their 10,000 votes over candidates most of whom have no chance of winning.

Here is the essential maths

1) Option 1 (present) :  +1 Votes cast = +1 Votes counted => Mr. Ajay Maken wins
2) Option 2 (49-O option) :
+1 Votes cast = only +1 Votes counted => Mr. Ajay Maken wins
3) Option 3 (IAC's -1):
+1 Votes and -1 Votes cast = ZERO effective votes counted => Mr. Ajay Maken LOSES and the "good" candidate with no negative,-1 votes wins.

Please take the time to understand this very carefully, all it needs is a change in the RULE. Please also don't be confused with those who will try to equate a -1 REJECT vote with a ZERO vote, they are not at all the same thing, and the ruling parties will be wetting themselves if this comes through.

I shall take up the second question of "good" candidates in detail next. But, its not enough to have good candidates, you also need a -1 vote

Sarbajit

Re: [IAC#RG] Time for the ACTION to start

On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..

Sarabjit, if this is the contention; what's IAC fighting for?

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.

It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.

By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.

To recap:
1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.

On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths,  cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.

All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.

Sarbajit


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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?

Dear Mr. SR,

Well said.  The correct date of Birth of Shri V.K. Singh is already a settled matter.  There is no point in probing that matter again.  There are so many issues warrnant immediate action to root out corruption in the country.  We should devote our times only to chalk out plan of action how to eradicate corruption from the society.  The worst affected are only the poor and middle class.  To get the job done anywhere in our daily walk of life, there is corruption. 

IAC says that they will root out corruption only by filing RTI cases.  I am still at a loss to know, how far it is feasible.  Whatever may be the merits and demerits of Mr.  Anna Hazare, Mr. Arvind Kejriwal, Ms. Kiran Bedi, Mr.Shanthi Bhushan, Mr.Santhosh Hedge and others, Govt. put them in tender hooks and not at  all shaken on their Movements and the Jan Lokpal, Lokayuktha and for that matter any Movement against corruption will be pushed to the corner by the Govt. as long as disgruntled elements  within and outside UPA are ever ready to prop up, in the event of any eventualities, the reasons best known to them. Under these circumstances, IAC's approach of filing RTI cases against corruption and expose them, how far, it will help to root out corruption is a million dollar question.

The corruption has taken deep roots in the society because of the large scale corruption and immunity granted to  Ministers, MPs, MLAs  under  Constitutional Rights, escape from immediate action and judicial actions which  normally lead to prolonged letigation. What is the remedy ? The only option left to us to defeat all the corrupt politicians when they contest elections.  But, IAC is against Political system and Democratic system of Govt.  IAC says that they believe in Democracy but not Political Democracy.  I am not able to differenciate between Democracy and Political Democracy.  Political system and Political Democracy are inseparable and one and the same. It is two sides of the Coin.   If IAC believe in Democracy, it has to accept Political System.  IAC belive in Democray but not Political system means it is hypocrisy.  

There should be a clear direction how IAC is going to eradicate corruption in the Govt. which is run by Political system  without attacking the Political parties.

It is my considered opinion, without giving jolts to political parties, we cannot eradicate corruption in the Govt.

I solicit views from Members on this point.  



With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
Retd. Manager LPG Sales, IndianOil, Chennai.

--- On Sun, 3/3/13, ssr.singh@gmail.com <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Sunday, 3 March, 2013, 10:05 PM

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Re: [IAC#RG] Time for the ACTION to start

I would not go sooo far as to say that 5) India has a functioning bureaucracy. India has a debilitating bureaucracy with no accountability, zero responsibility and 100% benefits - which clearly must be reversed.

Virender

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.

It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.

By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.

To recap:
1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.

On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths,  cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.

All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.

Sarbajit


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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?

Whatever may be discussions which have happened till date , the very question in the caption of the subject matter takes me to join in on the discussion and inform that thro' RTI we can get attested True copies of Documents held by the Public authority in this case ARMY and the Decision to Decide upon whether that document is correct or not etc etc is not all in the perview of RTI if we understand Section 2(f) information as defined in the Act . I would also draw the Attention to Friends in this Loop that various Info.Comm's have ruled as to this Definition .
We also see in KIC every day one or the Other person Arguing Vehemently as to the genuine or Not and yes they happen to be Misunderstanding the Ambit of the Act and they also have Made the Request under RTI because of a Grievance
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Sun, 3/3/13, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Date: Sunday, 3 March, 2013, 5:40 AM
> (1) The day his correct date of birth
> is disclosed, people at large is
> likely to lose respect, if any, for him is my personal
> assessment. (2)
> I interacted with him over email. He replied to me once.
> (3)
> Thereafter stopped. Not replied to my pointed query on the
> birth
> records. (4) I can forward those emails to those who wish to
> read. (5)
> I dare him make categorical public statement about his
> correct date of
> birth. (PS :I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST HIM. WHAT ALL I
> WANT IS
> FACT.BE DISCLOSED).
>
> --
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> C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad -
> 380051
> M -  94276 08632
> http://twitter.com/BabubhaiVaghela
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> http://www.youtube.com/user/vaghelabd
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> 2005)
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Re: [IAC#RG] Vacancy of 300 HC Judges

It is Now 301 . Only on Friday one HC judge Resigned and He became the Upalokayuktha of our state the next day without any cooling period . His scheduled Retirement was Sept 2013 and by that time a new Govt headed by a new leader from another party/or same party would be the CM , a new Opp.Leader , A new CJ (ofcourse he has been Named) and a new Speaker .
Is it not ridiculous & absurd that they think of all means to circumvent the system?

N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Wed, 27/2/13, G.S. Beniwal <beniwalg@ymail.com> wrote:

From: G.S. Beniwal <beniwalg@ymail.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Vacancy of 300 HC Judges
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Wednesday, 27 February, 2013, 9:28 PM

mr verma, then let the parliament select and appoint the HC/SC judges as other constitutional appointments made. let the name be out before they get appointed.  judge appointing judge is unconstitutional and corrupt practice. the judges must be removed when they violate their oath of office by a simple procedure then the present impeachment, which will never happen due to the corrupt politicians.   rgds. beniwal 



From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Vacancy of 300 HC Judges

Dear All,
Appointment as H.C./S.C.Judge is not to a Govt.post.It is an appointment to a  constitutional post.This post  can not filled like any other Govt.post by giving public notice.
D.C.Verma 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, In terms of Supreme Court Judgment in Orissa Govt Vs Mamata
Mohanty case, recruitment done without inviting applications through
Public Notive giving due opportunity to all desirous / eligible is
illegal. The person so 'hand-pick manner' selected and appointed by
Govt is not even entitled to salary. That being the clear judicial
order by SC, I have requested Prime Minister to issue Public Notice
for inviting applications for recruiting High Court Judges. I am
awaiting response. A simple RTI can push the matter. Further, this is
a good material for filing PIL for judicial direction to Govt for
centralised, democratic, non-arbitrary, selection criteria based
transparent selection and appointment of HC Judges. Regards,
--
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Re: [IAC#RG] Time for the ACTION to start

Good analysis, although population explosion did merit mention.


--- On Sat, 3/2/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: [IAC#RG] Time for the ACTION to start
To: "indiaresists" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013, 5:13 PM

The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.

It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.

By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.

To recap:
1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.

On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths,  cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.

All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.

Sarbajit


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