Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Guys you fight your social battles on the streets and leave Hon'ble Verma Ji to decide what flies & what doesnt. Suggestions to remind you are on merit and not on their source & pre assumptious outcome.

Grow up and doubtless as it comes to you, as seen you have diffrentiated yourselves, live up on expectations to be equally magnanimous.

Regards,

Abhishek Joshi

On Jan 12, 2013 8:26 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

To:
Hon'ble Justice J.S.Verma Committee

Kind Attn: Hon'ble Justice (Retd) J.S.Verma and his co-committee members

Date: 12-January-2013

Respected Sirs / Madam

I refer to the submission of Shri Arvind Kejriwal purportedly on on behalf "Aam Aadmi Party" dated 07-January-2013 which is being circulated in public domain as having being submitted to your Hon'ble Committee.

India Against Corruption "IAC" opposes the consideration of all submissions made after the published due date of 05-Jan-2013.  It is pertinent to mention that it was very well known at the time of issuing the public notice inviting suggestions/comments that the 5th of January 2013 was a Saturday. If it was intended that submissions made on 07-Jan-2013 under the provision of the General Clauses Act would also be considered, the last date could very easily have been specified in the notice(s) as 7th January itself. As a result, many genuine "aam aadmis" have been deprived of participating in the public response process to your Hon'ble Committee due to the hastily drafted and misleading public notice.

The IAC therefore urges that it would be fit if all submissions received after 5-January 2013, including Aam Aadmi Party's are not taken into consideration / record by this Hon'ble Committee.

with best wishes

yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

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RE: [IAC#RG] The habit of bending over backwards

Dear Shri Sarbajit,
 
I have tried to delink me from this group since you did not publish my rejoinder to the anti-national and anti-army comments by one Rehman.Since I am continuing to recieve the mails,I am prompted to reply to M.J.Akbar's article forwarded by you. 

There are many 'stateless actors' in Pakistan,their Army,ISI and terror outfits headed by terrorists like Hafiz Sayed being some of them who care a damn for their Government and the Government will not admit it.We have seen the futile drama of our Government hobnobbing with this Government for many years now giving Pakistan every conceivable concessions and building up the so called CBMs.To please them,our unelected PM went on equating Pak terror with a so called involvement of India in Baluchistan.Kashmir has been suffering from the activities of these actors for more than two decades now.Moderates like late Mirwaiz and late Lone and those who have faith in democracy like Sarpanches are ruthlessly mowed down by their henchmen.The terror atmosphere has prevented the present Mirwaiz and the Lone sons from openly coming out against the killers of their fathers.The Government headed by Omar Abdullah under the protection of the Indian army goes on ridiculing the Army to get sympathy from these actors for his own safety.No wonder the so called Hurriyat leaders went to Pakistan obstensively to plead for their safety with ISI and terrorists.What else they can do.There are only two options for us,one to give full proterction to all citizens which in the present circumstances difficult or give it back to them in their own coin. It is time our Government understands that there is no use in building up a CBM with a lame duck Government in Pakistan.It only makes the nonstate cators think India is a soft target and a bunch of cowardly Hindus.They know only the language of terror.Any war with Pakistan will only help them.Why should we kewep a RAW and IB at enormous cost to the nation.We should use them for covert action against terrorists in Pakistan.For one Kashmiri killed,we should ensure that five terrorists in Pakistan are killed by such acion.

navnith

 

 

 

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:29:20 +0530
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Subject: [IAC#RG] The habit of bending over backwards

The habit of bending over backwards

MJ Akbar 

13 January 2013

Times of India

 

As a conundrum, this one is hard to beat, possibly because it is uniquely Indian. Why has appeasement of hardliners in Pakistan, an avowedly communal state carved out of the two-nation theory, become a touchstone for secularism in India? If this were limited to an irony it would doubtless find its level in the varied folds of public discourse. As an artful strategy to legitimize the present UPA government's weak knees, it has more disturbing implications.

The subtext is subtle. There are only two sides to this coin of Manmohan Singh's realm: accommodation or war, a nonsense familiar to historians of Europe between the first two world wars. An ultimatum is the last resort, not the first one; and there are many stages in-between, as President Obama's policy towards Iran, for instance, indicates. But in the dictum laid down by Delhi, you either accept Pakistan's token verbiage, or risk derision as a hawk.

Pakistan's hard line towards India is held by the Army, which takes the final call on India, whether in strategic planning or real-time response. Its thinking is rooted in Partition. India won freedom from the British. Pakistan won independence from India. Pakistan's fundamentalist patriots therefore locate the existentialist threat from India. Expand or manouvre the matrix and a man wanted across the world for terrorism, Hafiz Saeed, gets transformed into a commander of the faithful doing his duty in a holy war on Mumbai. Does this make dialogue impossible? No. But it makes it more complex.

Singh, backed firmly by Sonia Gandhi, has no use for complications. He bends in the hope that one more storm will pass over. But between Pakistan's intransigence over terrorism, his own capitulation at Sharm el Sheikh within nine months of Mumbai, a succession of Pakistan officials who taunt India on Indian soil, and the mutilation of two Indian soldiers this week along the Rampur-Haji Ali sector, Dr Singh seems to have bent so far that he looks prostrate.

The ceasefire line across Jammu and Kashmir is a misnomer. It is always on fire. Lives are lost periodically in the tension of conflicting responsibilities, as India guards itself from the enemy without and insurgents within. But some instances are intended to send a larger signal. The gruesome killing of Lance Naiks Hemraj Singh and Sudhakar Singh was one such message.

Singh's answer was to pull out the most tired clichés from the store. The Pakistan high commissioner Salman Bashir was "summoned" and told that barbarism was "unacceptable" over a nice cup of tea. Bashir dismissed India's accusations with contempt. His boss, foreign minister Hina Rabbani, used two words where her Indian counterpart used one, calling India's allegations "absolutely unacceptable".

Examine Pakistan's version of events. Islamabad claims India started the firefight on January 6 in which one of its soldiers was killed and another seriously wounded. Pakistan did not summon India's high commissioner for coffee and photographs. It sent the 29 Baloch Regiment to extract two eyes for one. When India asked for an enquiry, Pakistan told India to jump - into the arms of the United Nations. Pakistan marshaled its array of diplomats to supplement action in the field. Dr Singh ordered Indian diplomats and armed forces to freeze and "de-escalate".

Islamabad took the measure of Delhi in 2009 at Sharm el Sheikh, when, despite the international outrage over Mumbai and evidence of Pakistan's involvement, it was Singh who made extraordinary concessions to put together a joint statement. The text was not shown to India's National Security Adviser, M K Narayanan, who went ashen when he read the contents a little before it was released to media. Narayanan's silence was purchased with a ghostly residence in Calcutta, also known as the Raj Bhavan.

Pakistan's Army concluded that if it could get away with Mumbai, it could get away with anything. It has.

Pakistan's generals have measured the Singh government's girth, and discovered a circumference bloated by hot air. They know that the only reaction from hot air can be flatulence. They've the evidence they need. There were 57 cross-border violations by Pakistan in 2010, 60 in 2011 and 117 in 2012. Delhi's response has been a private, and sometimes public, campaign to reduce our forces on the border. If it takes two sides to go to war, it also takes a partnership for peace. Manmohan Singh has the look of a lonely man abandoned by the partner of his dreams.

 

 

 

 

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RE: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

The answer lies in making very sincere efforts to educate our Voters .All those interested in our Democracy ( there is no other immediate alternative , as a dictator or Army rule can be much worse )  like IAC, Anna’s teams and even Khejriwal   should all get together and form teams of dedicated  and fairly well educated Indians ( mostly from our retired Babus, Service men and so on , train them to fan out to the places where elections are held and make sure that all voters , irrespective of party affiliations , reject bad candidates outright. . This is certainly possible . If we can manage to convince a lot of people say even 10 % of our voters, and the national political parties realize that our efforts may succeed in educating our AAM ADMI , they will themselves select good candidates .

We should also educate our voters and caste or religion should never be the main criteria for electing the candidates .

This is a stupendous task , but there appears to be no better alternative Now .  

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Mukund Apte
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:18 PM
To: Rajaram Bojji
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

 

 

      Dear Sir,

      You are very right in stating that what we need is Honest Ruler. If you agree with me that condition is not likely to be met EVER by Democracy with elections as the way of 'creating' Rulers. They can rarely be (all) Honest. I feel these Honest Rulers need be Selfless. Then only welfare of people and/or the Nation (Bhaarat) can be ensured. I call such people as Developed Individuals.So we need Developed Individuals and they are not likely to be available at appropriate place by Election in Democratic Process.

      I am attaching my article 'Nation and Development' to let you have the idea of mine little better. Kindly let me have your comments on the same so that it may be further improved.

      By the way my qualifications are 'FIE, MICI, FIIE, MISTD'

      With regards,

     ----Mukund Apte

 

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:

Your anger I share. But having passed through decades of my anger and ineffectiveness of my anger, I try now coolly do fault tree analysis and zero'd on simple solution to change character of government , by making power useless for the main object of corrupt to steal public assets  through abuse of govt power.

The prime mover and generator of evil power destroying public interest in governance must be attacked if we want a change in our living.

Neither laws nor more police help. Honest ruler needed, of they are to be effective. See, even budding AAP through power of black mail can get undue advantages. Now one can understand the studied silence of the new party. No more weekly exposures before TV cameras. Amazing India!

Humans are not always, uniformly , at all times , in all conditions , can be expected to be so honest and error free . They are fallible. Systemic check against own fallibility is what is needed. Deterrence strategy kicks in only after crime is committed. If preventive measure can be implemented, much better. For all crimes it is not possible to get preventive steps.

But fortunately for abuse of govt power to steal public assets, preventive step available, to stop getting benefit of any such order against public interest, BEFORE the perpetrator gets benefit.

Looks like AAP too wants to grab govt power. Since they also want to retain the evil practice of compromising public interest in the shroud of secret file covers, I have little hope , the new budding party will do any good for the nation.

I am not against persons. But hypocrisy hurts.

When corrupt with prime objective of eye on public Monet for personal benefit, all laws, rule as, norms in society, values too get corrupted.

Old wisdom.
Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007

On Jan 13, 2013 4:44 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shri Parmar

It is not about AAP.

Let me put it in very simple terms.

Jet Airways Flight no. JSV is scheduled to take off at 5:00 PM.
IAC checks in on time and is settled in his seat like a good little boy.
OTH the AAP reaches late and holds up the flight till 7:00 PM
and then is escorted to business class.

WTF would you do ? Keep quite or protest ?

It is people like you advocating keeping quiet who allow
injustice and corruption to perpetuate. If this Committee can't even
draft a simple public notice, HTF are they going to write a report ?

Sarbajit

On 1/12/13, Balbir Vishwamitra Singh Parmar <bvsparmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very
> childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts
> that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given
> credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
>
> Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include
> it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations.
> We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the
> information about weakpoints in your armour.
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my
> reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising
> the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
>
> With best wishes and warm regards.
>
> Balbir Singh Parmar
> +91-9411891851
>
> Sainik Samaj Party

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      ------Mukund Apte

Re: [IAC#RG] The habit of bending over backwards

A majority of we Indians suffer from a common disease. It is called:

"Diarrhoea of words and constipation of action."

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] The habit of bending over backwards

The habit of bending over backwards

MJ Akbar 

13 January 2013

Times of India

 

As a conundrum, this one is hard to beat, possibly because it is uniquely Indian. Why has appeasement of hardliners in Pakistan, an avowedly communal state carved out of the two-nation theory, become a touchstone for secularism in India? If this were limited to an irony it would doubtless find its level in the varied folds of public discourse. As an artful strategy to legitimize the present UPA government's weak knees, it has more disturbing implications.

Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

My understanding is that Kejriwal and his colleagues Sh.Bhushan and others are socialists even red socialists and have confused thinking on participatory democracy and at best beilieve in welfare socialism. He is miles away from Gandhian individualism. Corruption will not vanish in AAP governance as state continues to have a major role..   IAC being a social welfare organisation could succeed in its noble idealogy against corruption. Anna Hazare movement needs to be strengthened.     My Advice to Kejriwal is shed socialism and move from collectivism to individualism and liberalism leaving only primary role for the the Central and state governments and all other roles to individuals and local governments.    He should pursue Swaraj as birthright of the sovereign people of India. He should make a clear distinction between independence and freedom. Even study of Vedas, Artha Shastra of Kautaliya and Gandhian thought can help Kejriwal   Regards Prem Sabhlok     --- On Sun, 13/1/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 1:42 PM Dear Dr Arun 1) There is no IAC(Kejriwal) group now. 2) If by "you" you mean "me", then Arvind and I are as different as chalk and cheese or night and day. 3) If you mean the respective IACs (now and then), then the answer is also the same as in point 2 above. 4) I can give you 1 small example, throughout my learning experience of my Mechanical Engg degree at BITS Pilani, I never drank even a drop of alcohol. Arvind's Magasaysay award citation has him proudly boasting that he could match anyone's drinking capacity at IIT-KGP while he pursuing his Mech Engg degree. And this is a very small instance. 5) I have practiced engineering almost every working day of my life. I feed myself and my family from my profession. I don't recall Arvind having seriously worked as an engineer anywhere or at any time. Sarbajit On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Mr. Sarabjit, I am wondering how different you are from IAC (Kejriwal) group? Dr. Kumar Arun Michigan (USA) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in

[IAC#RG] India Against Corruption

Let us bring the whole issue to a logical conclusion .  It may be very easy to  appoint commissions , get the inputs  and finally continue with the existing practices .The question remains as to  how to make India a better place for its citizens . Rather I would like to  see that how best India can be transformed  from every angle and  for  every Indian.

It is not at all a difficult task. What we need is to bring transparency in actions , responsibility and accountability   at all levels from Mantri JI  down below in the governing system .In the rape case of Delhi , had the governing system suspended Transport Minister and Transport Commissioner Delhi Govt ; Home Minister and Police Commissioner , all these rapes would have stopped. All these untoward incidents are happening mainly because there is no fear of law.Bureaucrats have got all the powers to be used selectively to help the politicians for mutual benefits. They resort to all sorts of corrupt practices to collect money for their Mantri ji and for them selves ignoring their responsibilities because there is no accountability.

 

This is the right time for these culprits to expose the system under which these 300 buses were plying  freely without any authority .

 

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dr Arun

1) There is no IAC(Kejriwal) group now.

2) If by "you" you mean "me", then Arvind and I are as different as chalk and cheese or night and day.

3) If you mean the respective IACs (now and then), then the answer is also the same as in point 2 above.

4) I can give you 1 small example, throughout my learning experience of my Mechanical Engg degree at BITS Pilani, I never drank even a drop of alcohol. Arvind's Magasaysay award citation has him proudly boasting that he could match anyone's drinking capacity at IIT-KGP while he pursuing his Mech Engg degree. And this is a very small instance.

5) I have practiced engineering almost every working day of my life. I feed myself and my family from my profession. I don't recall Arvind having seriously worked as an engineer anywhere or at any time.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Sarabjit,

I am wondering how different you are from IAC (Kejriwal) group?

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

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Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Dear Dr Arun

1) There is no IAC(Kejriwal) group now.

2) If by "you" you mean "me", then Arvind and I are as different as chalk and cheese or night and day.

3) If you mean the respective IACs (now and then), then the answer is also the same as in point 2 above.

4) I can give you 1 small example, throughout my learning experience of my Mechanical Engg degree at BITS Pilani, I never drank even a drop of alcohol. Arvind's Magasaysay award citation has him proudly boasting that he could match anyone's drinking capacity at IIT-KGP while he pursuing his Mech Engg degree. And this is a very small instance.

5) I have practiced engineering almost every working day of my life. I feed myself and my family from my profession. I don't recall Arvind having seriously worked as an engineer anywhere or at any time.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Sarabjit,

I am wondering how different you are from IAC (Kejriwal) group?

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)