| Mr. Sarbajit Roy, Again you are arrogant and that arrogantness leads you to emotional. You are now finding faults with IAS, Judges and Stenographers. In an Administration whether it is Govt. or Private, all functionaries are important. Please don't generalise and cast aspersions on IAS, Judges or Stenographers. All are important in the functioning of a Govt. or Private. Please tell me " WHICH PART OF THE HUMAN BODY IS LEAST IMPORTANT ? I KNOW YOU CANNOT LEAVE ANY PART OF THE BODY AS UNIMPORTANT. SIMILARLY, YOU CANNOT SAY IAS, JUDGES, STENOGRAPHERS ARE BAD AND OTHERS ARE GOOD. IN AN ORGANISATION, STENOGRAPHERS ARE MOST IMPORTANT. THERE MAY BE SOME BLACK SHEEP. TELL ME IN WHICH FIELD OR CATEGORY THERE ARE NO BLACK SHEEP, BECAUSE SOME IAS, JUDGES AND STENOGRAPHERS HAD INDULGED IN WRONG DOINGS, YOU CANNOT GENERALISE THEM AS BAD. TO WORK IN THE IAC AND TO ACHIEVE ITS GOAL, FIRST YOU SHOULD SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS, PLEASE CONSULT A GOOD HRD CONSULTANT/COUNSELOR OR PSYCHIATRISTS. With Best Regards, A.S.KALYANAM RETD. MANAGER LPG SALES INDIANOIL, 29/13, RUKMANI STREET, WEST MAMBALAM CHENNAI 600 033. --- On Fri, 11/1/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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Friday, January 11, 2013
Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.
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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.
God bless you. I hope we leave our nation much better for future generations.
Rajaram Bojji FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007
On Jan 11, 2013 10:00 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Bojji
I'm so glad that the misunderstandings which occur over an impersonal medium like email get resolved when we express frankly. I think all our list members should know that you were MD of Konkan Railways which was a feat of tremendous engineering.
At the time of drafting our IAC charter we introspected on what our issues to focus on should be.
After placing primacy on defence of India/Armed Forces, we placed "Ensuring supremacy of qualified professionals/specialists in their field" as number 2.
There is this horrible culture in India of generalists (IAS, judges and stenographers) who interfere in every sphere of life.
As professionals - engineers, doctors, CAs, Masters of War, Architects,IT specialists, Railwaymen, Pilots etc. we should be masters in our own field instead of being dictated to by Arts graduates or lessers with diplomas in English from non-existent universities or bumped up stenographers.
I absolutely agree that attack and emotional violence are not the way forward, especially for the younger generation who ought to realise this (but who are genetically - and now electronically - programmed to rebel against their elders).
I also agree that RTI is another fraud. In fact our blog boldly says so [http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/] in the following words
"The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family."
BUT, knowing in advance that it is a fraud, it is still a wonderful tool to misuse. As I often say (and you can google search with "Sarbajit's first law")
"RTI Act is not to be used but misused"
Warmly
SarbajitOn Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Sarabjit ,
My comment about electronic trash is about our emails to J Verma!!!
It was not about this groups' capability!
That comment was against your mail to J Verma and some one saying we do not get any ack. From there.
So now hope misunderstanding removed.
In anger you said my views are that of a frustrated govt retiree.
I disagree. I did what all I wanted to do within the system but my work is internationally recognised. I am a fulfilled man., I am grateful to my country for the great opportunities provides to me.
I loved my work and I and my team thoroughly enjoyed our hard work. Seven years after retirement BBC just covered our work in UK recognising ,my contribution, seeking me out from US to come to Goa and record live on site!!
We are rich in intellectual capital. We find ten solutions for every problem and have enough around, to find hundred problems for each solution.
I am not frustrated . But would like future generations to be better than me.
I did walk my talk. I did practice what I am recommending as the final solution .
Cab Minsters never came near my organisation over 7 years because my files are open on web.
I am trying to help. Simple effective logical method to prevent. Attack and emotional violence are not the means.
I can only do my best. I do not get emotionally taken in by the others accepting or rejecting but, willing to debate issues thoroughly.
I believe RTI is none of the frauds on our nation. I know how ministries sanitise the information.
Well all the best to you. My feeling is your email to J Verma is going in to
Electronic trashBetter send written snail mail too!
Hare Krishna!
Rajaram Bojji FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007On Jan 10, 2013 9:45 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr. Bojji
I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.
Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.
What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.
The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.
SarbajitOn Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?
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Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System
Mostly it depends on the spirit of students studying therein rathernthan the institutions themselves.
I know some brilliant people who come out from mediocre institutions.
On Thursday, January 10, 2013, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
> DearMr Babubhai Vaghela,
> Greetings.
> Some want IIM ( or IIT) to study and rectify our Judicial System. Don't think ALl the Alumnae of these mighty institutions ,are ALLparagons of virtue .Only some are .And, they are trying and during their endeavors are getting hurt also.Good citizenship still exists and is not monopoly of any single establishment. What is required is to start the journey , (Good people like you have already started) and let the' caravan' gather in strength .Leaders and followers constitute an environment,where a leader becomes a follower and follows the new leader from the community as and when situation demands ,as in "sambhavami ,yuge, yuge"
> ." Dharmo, raxita ,raxite".
> LtColretd TTKishore
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Babubhai Vaghela
> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013
> Subject: [IAC#RG] Judical System
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>
>
> My experience of Judiciary in two PILs -
> (1) IIM CAT 2009 PIL Documents - https://t.co/Ggtz1Mjj
> (2) AIBE Advocates Exam PIL -
> RTI Activist PIL Petitioner approached Chief Justice of India two years back
> http://t.co/ZflW2ed9 & http://t.co/GNy3Un6d
> Transfer Petition yet not heard / not decided.
> You be the Judges.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Transparency International India <tiindia.newdelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> Kindly accept our compliments for the nice suggestions.
>
> In this contest, we would like to mention that currently our society is suffering from ill-governance, resulting in the sufferings of the common man. These include. among others, increasing law & order problems; But such a situation is just because there is no accountability of the Investigating Officer (IOs) and the Public Prosecutor (PPs). If they are held accountable for any undue delay and let off & punishment, then not only congestion in courts would come down, our policing will become effective, and delivery of justice & governance will improve. For this, only Judiciary has to pass strict structures and recommend the punishment for erring IOs and PPs.
>
> Further, I feel our present judicial system requires an efficient management. It can only be possible by making judiciary accountable for -
> (a) unnecessary adjournments and prolonging arguments;
> (b) disappointing witnesses and treating them like a bonded person at the cost of their personal life and family security; and
> (c) putting a large number of cases on the day of hearing which are not possible to deal with. Before taking up any case, it should be scrutinised whether the case is complete in all respects. Besides, I would like to add two points for speedy disposal of cases and reduction of cases:
>
> (a) A lawyer should be engaged only if the court feels necessary. The parties concerned should come to the court with all the evidences at their disposal and argue the cases themselves. And the judge should pronounce the judgment based on their evidences.
>
> (b) To reduce the number of cases, specify minimum punishment for every offence. Presently we have laid down 'maximum punishment." Maximum punishment is to be "life or death" even for a minor offence such as ignoring the red signal.
>
> Thanks & regards,
> S K Agarwal
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The country must continue to have faith in our judicial system.
> However it needs to be emphasised that it can only function when the following judicial reforms are forced on the govt by the public--
> 1.Filling up all vacancies of judges at all levels.The selection procedure should be done by a judicial Commission and not by the govt,as is being done.Most of the courts are functioning at 50% or less than the auth numbers.
> 2. A time bound limit must be laid down for the completion and issue of the judgement my the Courts in all cases ie Civil,Criminal etc .No case can /should go on for more than one year.All civil cases must be decided within 6 months and all others within 12 months.
> 3. Adjournments should only be given for max 6 days and that also not more than 4 times,2 for the plaintiff and 2 for the respondent.The case can then only be finalised.People will then start having faith in the judiciary.
> 3.Police reforms must be comleted within 2 months and made independent of the political/IAS .LOK PAL Bill must be passed with CBI becoming independent.
> 4.THe courts will save the people and the country.
> 5Let us force the govt to take action
> B S DHILLON
>
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On Thursday, January 10, 2013, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
> DearMr Babubhai Vaghela,
> Greetings.
> Some want IIM ( or IIT) to study and rectify our Judicial System. Don't think ALl the Alumnae of these mighty institutions ,are ALLparagons of virtue .Only some are .And, they are trying and during their endeavors are getting hurt also.Good citizenship still exists and is not monopoly of any single establishment. What is required is to start the journey , (Good people like you have already started) and let the' caravan' gather in strength .Leaders and followers constitute an environment,where a leader becomes a follower and follows the new leader from the community as and when situation demands ,as in "sambhavami ,yuge, yuge"
> ." Dharmo, raxita ,raxite".
> LtColretd TTKishore
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Babubhai Vaghela
> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013
> Subject: [IAC#RG] Judical System
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>
>
> My experience of Judiciary in two PILs -
> (1) IIM CAT 2009 PIL Documents - https://t.co/Ggtz1Mjj
> (2) AIBE Advocates Exam PIL -
> RTI Activist PIL Petitioner approached Chief Justice of India two years back
> http://t.co/ZflW2ed9 & http://t.co/GNy3Un6d
> Transfer Petition yet not heard / not decided.
> You be the Judges.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Transparency International India <tiindia.newdelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> Kindly accept our compliments for the nice suggestions.
>
> In this contest, we would like to mention that currently our society is suffering from ill-governance, resulting in the sufferings of the common man. These include. among others, increasing law & order problems; But such a situation is just because there is no accountability of the Investigating Officer (IOs) and the Public Prosecutor (PPs). If they are held accountable for any undue delay and let off & punishment, then not only congestion in courts would come down, our policing will become effective, and delivery of justice & governance will improve. For this, only Judiciary has to pass strict structures and recommend the punishment for erring IOs and PPs.
>
> Further, I feel our present judicial system requires an efficient management. It can only be possible by making judiciary accountable for -
> (a) unnecessary adjournments and prolonging arguments;
> (b) disappointing witnesses and treating them like a bonded person at the cost of their personal life and family security; and
> (c) putting a large number of cases on the day of hearing which are not possible to deal with. Before taking up any case, it should be scrutinised whether the case is complete in all respects. Besides, I would like to add two points for speedy disposal of cases and reduction of cases:
>
> (a) A lawyer should be engaged only if the court feels necessary. The parties concerned should come to the court with all the evidences at their disposal and argue the cases themselves. And the judge should pronounce the judgment based on their evidences.
>
> (b) To reduce the number of cases, specify minimum punishment for every offence. Presently we have laid down 'maximum punishment." Maximum punishment is to be "life or death" even for a minor offence such as ignoring the red signal.
>
> Thanks & regards,
> S K Agarwal
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The country must continue to have faith in our judicial system.
> However it needs to be emphasised that it can only function when the following judicial reforms are forced on the govt by the public--
> 1.Filling up all vacancies of judges at all levels.The selection procedure should be done by a judicial Commission and not by the govt,as is being done.Most of the courts are functioning at 50% or less than the auth numbers.
> 2. A time bound limit must be laid down for the completion and issue of the judgement my the Courts in all cases ie Civil,Criminal etc .No case can /should go on for more than one year.All civil cases must be decided within 6 months and all others within 12 months.
> 3. Adjournments should only be given for max 6 days and that also not more than 4 times,2 for the plaintiff and 2 for the respondent.The case can then only be finalised.People will then start having faith in the judiciary.
> 3.Police reforms must be comleted within 2 months and made independent of the political/IAS .LOK PAL Bill must be passed with CBI becoming independent.
> 4.THe courts will save the people and the country.
> 5Let us force the govt to take action
> B S DHILLON
>
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>
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Re: [IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012
Dear Sarbajit,
I am Always with you.
Rajesh Jadon
9039009309
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC members
As we expected, the Govt has been forced to up the ante of this dubious sham of a Justice Verma Committee.
Yesterday, the Rajya Sabha published a notice (dated 8.Jan..2013) calling for suggestions on the "rape" legislation introduced on 4.Dec.2012. (text below)
http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Home%20Affairs/press%20release.doc
Our IAC "Save India" sub-Committee which drafted the response to Justice Verma is back in action. Anyone else who wishes to join us may email me or reply to this email
Sarbajit
PRESS RELEASE
STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS INVITES SUGGESTIONS ON THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012
The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2012 as introduced in the Lok Sabha on 4 December 2012 and pending therein, has been referred to Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs, headed by Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, M.P. Rajya Sabha for examination and report. The Bill seeks to amend the Indian Penal Code, 1860, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to review laws related to rape/sexual offences.
2. The Committee has decided to invite suggestions in the form of written memoranda from the public/associations/women organizations/civil societies, etc, on the provisions of the Bill.
3. Those desirous of submitting written memoranda to the Committee, may send the same to Shri D. K. Mishra, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No. 142, First Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 {Tele: 23035410 (O) and 23012007 (fax)} latest by 28th January, 2013.
4. The memorandum which might be submitted to the Committee, would form part of its records and treated as confidential and, therefore, should not be printed, circulated or publicized by anyone, as such an act would constitute a breach of privilege of the Committee.
5. Individuals/stakeholders may obtain, on written request, a copy of the Bill, from Shri Bhupendra Bhaskar, Assistant Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Cabin 'A', Basement, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 (Telephone No. 011-23034034). The electronic text of the Bill can also be down loaded from the Rajya Sabha Website www.rajyasabha.nic.in. ® Bills with Committees.
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Re: [IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012
can't we just cc them the same?
Or is there a new angle?
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC members
As we expected, the Govt has been forced to up the ante of this dubious sham of a Justice Verma Committee.
Yesterday, the Rajya Sabha published a notice (dated 8.Jan..2013) calling for suggestions on the "rape" legislation introduced on 4.Dec.2012. (text below)
http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Home%20Affairs/press%20release.doc
Our IAC "Save India" sub-Committee which drafted the response to Justice Verma is back in action. Anyone else who wishes to join us may email me or reply to this email
Sarbajit
PRESS RELEASE
STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS INVITES SUGGESTIONS ON THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012
The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2012 as introduced in the Lok Sabha on 4 December 2012 and pending therein, has been referred to Department-related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs, headed by Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, M.P. Rajya Sabha for examination and report. The Bill seeks to amend the Indian Penal Code, 1860, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to review laws related to rape/sexual offences.
2. The Committee has decided to invite suggestions in the form of written memoranda from the public/associations/women organizations/civil societies, etc, on the provisions of the Bill.
3. Those desirous of submitting written memoranda to the Committee, may send the same to Shri D. K. Mishra, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No. 142, First Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 {Tele: 23035410 (O) and 23012007 (fax)} latest by 28th January, 2013.
4. The memorandum which might be submitted to the Committee, would form part of its records and treated as confidential and, therefore, should not be printed, circulated or publicized by anyone, as such an act would constitute a breach of privilege of the Committee.
5. Individuals/stakeholders may obtain, on written request, a copy of the Bill, from Shri Bhupendra Bhaskar, Assistant Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Cabin 'A', Basement, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 (Telephone No. 011-23034034). The electronic text of the Bill can also be down loaded from the Rajya Sabha Website www.rajyasabha.nic.in. ® Bills with Committees.
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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.
Dear Mr Bojji
I'm so glad that the misunderstandings which occur over an impersonal medium like email get resolved when we express frankly. I think all our list members should know that you were MD of Konkan Railways which was a feat of tremendous engineering.
At the time of drafting our IAC charter we introspected on what our issues to focus on should be.
After placing primacy on defence of India/Armed Forces, we placed "Ensuring supremacy of qualified professionals/specialists in their field" as number 2.
There is this horrible culture in India of generalists (IAS, judges and stenographers) who interfere in every sphere of life.
As professionals - engineers, doctors, CAs, Masters of War, Architects,IT specialists, Railwaymen, Pilots etc. we should be masters in our own field instead of being dictated to by Arts graduates or lessers with diplomas in English from non-existent universities or bumped up stenographers.
I absolutely agree that attack and emotional violence are not the way forward, especially for the younger generation who ought to realise this (but who are genetically - and now electronically - programmed to rebel against their elders).
I also agree that RTI is another fraud. In fact our blog boldly says so [http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/] in the following words
"The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family."
BUT, knowing in advance that it is a fraud, it is still a wonderful tool to misuse. As I often say (and you can google search with "Sarbajit's first law")
"RTI Act is not to be used but misused"
Warmly
Sarbajit
I'm so glad that the misunderstandings which occur over an impersonal medium like email get resolved when we express frankly. I think all our list members should know that you were MD of Konkan Railways which was a feat of tremendous engineering.
At the time of drafting our IAC charter we introspected on what our issues to focus on should be.
After placing primacy on defence of India/Armed Forces, we placed "Ensuring supremacy of qualified professionals/specialists in their field" as number 2.
There is this horrible culture in India of generalists (IAS, judges and stenographers) who interfere in every sphere of life.
As professionals - engineers, doctors, CAs, Masters of War, Architects,IT specialists, Railwaymen, Pilots etc. we should be masters in our own field instead of being dictated to by Arts graduates or lessers with diplomas in English from non-existent universities or bumped up stenographers.
I absolutely agree that attack and emotional violence are not the way forward, especially for the younger generation who ought to realise this (but who are genetically - and now electronically - programmed to rebel against their elders).
I also agree that RTI is another fraud. In fact our blog boldly says so [http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/] in the following words
"The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family."
BUT, knowing in advance that it is a fraud, it is still a wonderful tool to misuse. As I often say (and you can google search with "Sarbajit's first law")
"RTI Act is not to be used but misused"
Warmly
Sarbajit
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Sarabjit ,
My comment about electronic trash is about our emails to J Verma!!!
It was not about this groups' capability!
That comment was against your mail to J Verma and some one saying we do not get any ack. From there.
So now hope misunderstanding removed.
In anger you said my views are that of a frustrated govt retiree.
I disagree. I did what all I wanted to do within the system but my work is internationally recognised. I am a fulfilled man., I am grateful to my country for the great opportunities provides to me.
I loved my work and I and my team thoroughly enjoyed our hard work. Seven years after retirement BBC just covered our work in UK recognising ,my contribution, seeking me out from US to come to Goa and record live on site!!
We are rich in intellectual capital. We find ten solutions for every problem and have enough around, to find hundred problems for each solution.
I am not frustrated . But would like future generations to be better than me.
I did walk my talk. I did practice what I am recommending as the final solution .
Cab Minsters never came near my organisation over 7 years because my files are open on web.
I am trying to help. Simple effective logical method to prevent. Attack and emotional violence are not the means.
I can only do my best. I do not get emotionally taken in by the others accepting or rejecting but, willing to debate issues thoroughly.
I believe RTI is none of the frauds on our nation. I know how ministries sanitise the information.
Well all the best to you. My feeling is your email to J Verma is going in to
Electronic trashBetter send written snail mail too!
Hare Krishna!
Rajaram Bojji FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007On Jan 10, 2013 9:45 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr. Bojji
I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.
Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.
What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.
The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.
SarbajitOn Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?
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