Re: [IAC++] Amazon shows :How FDI will raise prices by 10 times.

I need help understanding your email.

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:

 It would be incorrect to directly convert the currency at market exchange rates. You need to use purchasing power parity or PPP rates which for India /US is done by a factor of 3. In other words the cost of the item is actually about Rs 80 which includes shipping which does not seem excessive.

It doesn't exactly include shipping. If you read the link, it is an add on item on purchases over $25 and gets added to the delivery for free - after you buy it.

 

Who needs a banana cutter anyway.

A matter of opinion. Have a toddler in the house, and banana slices (and the cutter) can be an interesting way to tempt the kid into eating a banana. God knows having a child means buying a lot of things regardless of "necessity". Also, for a family that eats a lot of fruit plates/salads/recipes... it can be a useful kitchen gadget. Technically you don't need to own more than one knife or pen. How many do you actually own?

 

The same mistake is made by most people while assessing the poverty line. The UNDP poverty line is $1.25 per capita per day. Most people assume that this is about Rs 60 per day which is incorrect. It is actually Rs 20 per day. So the planning Commission figure of Rs 26 per day in rural areas is actually an improvement on the UNDP poverty line.

This calculation does not compute. You are taking the UNDP poverty line and applying it to the US dollar parity. Well the US does not have a poverty line comparable with anything recognizable in your post. To my knowledge, the last known poverty line at $23,021 for a family of four, computes to about $15.7 a day. Which would be a brilliant idea for India even with parity factored in. Or wait, even half of that would be a brilliant idea

 

Col Pavan Nair

I have observed that starting with agreeing with a government stand and picking reasoning and figures to suit usually leads to logical fallacies, because the government is illogical. Our poverty line is unsustainable. People living at twice our poverty line are just as likely to die of hunger. It is simply a game to decrease visible numbers and the culpability of misgovernance.

Just saying.

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Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy

Sarbajit,

Thanks.

Would you kindly clarify the following:

1. You have stated: "The problem is all these Gandhis who keep coming in the way and interfering with our objective".

a) Who are the Gandhis?
b) How are they coming in the way and interfering?
c) What are the objectives?

2. In the link provided by you , "What IAC stands for" It's stated as follows: ""The sole objective of the India Against Corruption jan andolan is to rid the Greater Indian nation of corruption wherever it is found by whatever means necessary."
— Sarbajit"

You have stated: "by whatever means".

a) What is the explicit meaning of this statement?
b) Dos this statement have the approval of any body or committee or is it an individual statement of yours?

Best,

Kris Dev

On 16 December 2012 15:26, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

What IAC stands for is simple, clear and direct.

https://we.riseup.net/india_against_corruption/what-iac-stands-for

The problem is all these Gandhis who keep coming in the way and interfering with our objective.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM, KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2007@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

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Re: [IAC++] RULES for the IAC mailing list

Dear Sarbajit,

Would you kindly answer the following questions on IAC:

1. Is IAC a registered body? If yes, please share the details. If not what's it?

2. Is there an article or constitution? What are its objectives?

3. Is there a membership? How many members are there? Who are the members? How can citizens become members?

3. Is there a governing body or committee administering IAC as per constitution or is it run by one person?

4. Is IAC a democratic organization?  Are there provisions for elections to the governing body?

5. What are the objectives of IAC. How would it support its members. How do members participate in the activities of IAC?

6. Is it a transparent and accountable entity? What are its governing rules, finances, etc.

7. Please add any other relevant details not included here, but of general interest to members.

8. Is there a IAC manifesto as stated. My apologies if I missed the document. Please attach.

9. You have stated: "6) IAC is a patriotic movement of ancient lineage and revolutionary spirit. Members are requested to familiarise themselves thoroughly with the morals of the parent Hindustan Republican Association which secured for India independence from foreign rule in a non-sectarian and non-communal revolutionary manner.  Membership in the IAC casts upon all Indians a primary Constitutional duty to defend the sovereignty, unity and integrity of the nation and its people by all means, including violence if necessary."

Question: What is the need for any revolutionary spirit which may have been relevant for obtaining freedom. Is it relevant today. How can you say "including violence if necessary". Is it not against the law? How can anyone subscribe to violence in a democracy? Please clarify.

10. How are you claiming HRA as the parent organization?

Best,

Kris Dev

On 16 December 2012 11:07, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC members

The position about the membership and participation for the list is now made clear  as follows:

1) IAC is an apolitical movement. Therefore members or adherents of any political party are requested to kindly unsubscribe themselves from this mailing list.

2) IAC is an apolitical movement. Therefore members are requested to restrict their comments for or against any political party.

3) 

IAC is an apolitical movement. Therefore members are requested .not to post excessively about alternate political systems.

4)  IAC is an anti-corruption movement. Therefore members are requested to kindly post messages directly relevant to corruption, means and strategies to combat/control corruption and corrupt persons, and help/tips/ tricks/advice on how individuals can go about fighting corruption or resolving their grievances etc..

5) IAC is an "Indian" movement. Therefore members are requested to kindly respect the tenets and principles contained in the preamble to the Constitution of India, such as justice (social, economic political) , socialism, secularism, equality, liberty of thought/ expression/ belief/ faith/ worship  etc.  at all times and to abjure violence.

6) IAC is a patriotic movement of ancient lineage and revolutionary spirit. Members are requested to familiarise themselves thoroughly with the morals of the parent Hindustan Republican Association which secured for India independence from foreign rule in a non-sectarian and non-communal revolutionary manner.  Membership in the IAC casts upon all Indians a primary Constitutional duty to defend the sovereignty, unity and integrity of the nation and its people by all means, including violence if necessary.

7) IAC is a disciplined, principled and democratic people's movement. Members are requested to go through the movement's operational and strategic principles contained in IAC's manifesto. These principles are dynamically evolved by IAC's general body as continually expressed through the IAC's archived mailing list.

Sarbajit
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RE: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy

Hello friends               Dictionary meaning of 'secular' is 'having no connection with religion'. in the case of 'secularisation' is 'moving away from religion'. This being the position how can 'Hindu religion' be called 'secular?. It is nothing but 'aethism' at state level which means a society framed in high materialistic intent. No morals will be encouraged in personnel or social life of the individuals and collectively by the state. 'Humane qualities' will never be encouraged at any levels of upbringing so much so the society could be run on with out any cementing force/passion. Highly individualistic style of functioning with selfish motive alone will be the driving force which is what we experience today in the country. The leaders and rulers are looting the country or very corrupt because of this attitude developed by individuals in the name of 'secularism'. Humane qualities can be imbibed only through religious teachings which alone has got that content. A nation whose proclaimed basic aproach is 'secular' can ever follow a social philosophy of 'love. affection, concern for others, gratitude ect' which are all 'humane qualities'. Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE,INFAM(IndianFarmersMovement)National Trustee. --- On Sun, 16/12/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy To: "iac@lists.riseup.net" <iac@lists.riseup.net> Date: Sunday, 16 December, 2012, 12:29 PM Thanks to Mr.Roy's incoherent and intemperate outbursts we have digressed from our main theme that is fight against corruption.How ever since the 'politically much abused" word secularism has been brought in,I would like to put in two words. Compared to the principles of 'true path' and other concepts of 'intolerance of other faiths' practiced by semitic religeons,Hinduism is basically secular.So ingrained is this Hindu concept of secularism in our national culture that it did not even occur to the architects of our Constitution that they should specially mention it as one of its preambulary principles. It is only during the anti-democratic Emergency rule (1975–77) imposed by Indira Gandhi that secularism found a place in the Constitution through the route of amendment without any discussion in Parliament.(opposition leaders were in jail). As every one knows Indira Gandhi was not burdened by any priniciple either personally, ideologically or otherwise. Unfortunately those leaders who chartered our destiny after our independence had their owm version of secularism.Nehru's secularism was based on atheism where as her daughter's was based on vote bank and minorityism which her followers are following even today. it is being interpreted and practiced in terms that negate the essential cultural and civilisational personality of India. In the context of the Ayodhya movement, Lord Ram and Babur were sought to be equated in the name of secularism. Medieval India was an Islamic empire where Muslims were rulers and Hindus the ruled. Never equals. It was the relation between a master and his slave, the predator and the prey. Hindus were disunited and timid to put up any real resistance. Many of them became collaborators for small favors. Yet the Congress appointed Press Council Chairman,Ex Justice Katju says Hindu-Muslim strife started after the arrival of the British. Whatever the so called 'patriotic' historians may write, 1857 rebellion was a revolt of the 'coolie army' of the East India Company against their masters. The rudderless rebels went to Delhi and tried to resurrect the descendents of the Hindu biter Aurangzeb and make a senile Bahdur Shah Zafar as India's Emperor. It was the British who saved Hindus from slavery and gave a level ground for them to develop their natural intellectual genius. If Turks, Afghans or Persians were ruling India, Mahatma Gandhi would not have survived even one day.Our Ex.Lordship's knowledge of Indian history requires brushing up. If 1857 revolt was successful, India would have been another Middle east with squabbling and corrupt Sheikhs and their duffedars. History is a sacred relic and any attempt to paint over it, is immoral to say the least. And that is what Nehru and Indira Gandhi were doing stuffing ICHR with characters like Romila Thapar,Irfan Habib,KN Panikkar and others. navnith       Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:36:46 +0530 From: sroy.mb@gmail.com To: iac@lists.riseup.net Subject: Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy Dear Mr. Navnith This is "India Against Corruption". The keyword is INDIA. The "India" that is not your warped idea of "Bharat-matatvata". This list is for nationalists and patriots who are fed up with the corruption in India ( which is not Bharat - but is really Hindustan !!). If you cannot understand such basic and elementary things you are most welcome to leave (also known as F***ing Off) the IAC and hie off to nakli forums for hijdas like the AAP. Every message from this group instructs pseudo-secularists how to do so at the very bottom. It is a fact that Anna is massively foreign financed  I don't say so, he himself says on on his website. It is a fact that Arvind is massively foreign financed. He has never denied it. His own audited account books and reports proudly flutter this message that he received foreign funds in large amounts.. The same is the case for Kiran Bedi. Only recently it again came out in the media that she controlled at least 15 banks accounts and has regular withdrawals of foreign funds for her NGOs. It also came out that foreignfunds were being misused for personal expenses of these ex-IAC leaders. Please understand very clearly that PATRIOTS like us will never accept dubious arguments from HARAMIS (possibly like you) that its all very well to take foreign funds to do "good" work in India (also known as conversion of Dalits to Christianity or Islam) .  This is the height of nonsense and stupidity.  HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER CALLS THE TUNE. .. translated in Hindi .. 'naach meri bulbul tujhe paise milega' In any case what have Arvind etc. actually done to curb corruption.  Let me tell you. ... Nothing !!! (merely publicising incidents of corruption which were known to everybody for years is not corruption fighting). Let me also tell you this. Certain depts of the Govt were investigating Robert Vadra and tapping his phones and investigating his deals for a long time. They were doing this on the direct instructions of Sonia Gandhi herself who was very concerned about her son-in-law and his political ambitions through "Priyanka- now-not-a-Ghandhi" (who is the natural counter-point in Congress to the crown prince Rahul who has no charisma at all.) The entire Robert-Vadra-DLF so-called expose was a Congress stunt using Kejriwal who is still controlled by Christian Sonia through Christian Aruna Roy (forgot what Christian Diggy says in public - that is only a nautanki) to cut Christian Priyanaka and Christian Robert down to size so that super-Christian Rahul can do "son-shine" as Christian  General Secretary in Christian AICC with Christian Anthony and Christian Ambika and Christian YSR  and Hindu Francois Gautier and Jean Dreze  and so on . The entire IAC act of Anna, Arvind, Kiran Bedi, Bhushans is scripted between the Congress and RSS who have formed an axis against the BJPand the Left. In other words, Christian America is p(l)aying all sides and Godless China is laughing for free. "National Convenor' PS: We are as well aware of corruption/rot in the Armed forces as you are (if not better informed). On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear National Convener, I do agree with Mr.Malhotra. I feel Indira Gandhi's ghost has caught up with you in your seeing foreign hand every where.You have nothing else to write other than negatives about every body.Only a man like you can accuse a person like Anna being controlled by foreign funds. Calling Anna a parasite is the height of stupidity.What ever the faults of Anna,Kejriwal and others,next to Subrahmaniam Swamy,they are the people who have done yeoman service in breinging to public attention the loot being carried out by the Italian led Congress and their henchmen. You should abstain from commenting on people like Gen.V.K.Singh whom you do not know.I write this as an Ex-Army Officer.You are unaware of the level of corruption in the Army. The 'syndicate' started functioning from Gen.JJ Singh's time and continued with Gen Deepak Kapoor. They did not want any body other than from their syndicate to become the Chief to safe guard their interests .Gen.V.K.Singh was an eyesore for trhem.They tried to remove him from the hierarchial list forcing him to agree 1950 as his YOB(another brilliant officer who was much younger and  a Sword of Honour winner was superceded to pave way for the present chief).VK is a third generation soldier.Born to a Lt.Col and born in an Army Hospital ,how can there be a controversy about his YOB?The unfortunate part is that he did not get support from ;St.Antony',the so called incorruptible Defence Minister.People did not kbow that Antony is only bothered about his reputation and what his subordinates do is not his concern.He was one of the weakest CMs Kerala has ever seen.During his tenureship as CM,Kerala,he completely surrendered to the communal Muslim League and Christian Kerala Congress.In the ensuing elections Congress lost every parliament seat.Sonia took him to Delhi because of his religion,his cleverly manipulated image of honesty  and his mask of lack of ambition. The army shortages did not start with VK.It was there when JJ was there as well as Kapoor.Your calling Ex-Admirals dubious characters shows your immaturity. I am getting a torrent of condemnable messages from you. By your irresponsible comments you are doing a great disservice to the fight against corruption. I would like to delink my self from this mail list.If you can do it kindly do it.  navnith WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in Post: iac@lists.riseup.net Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in Post: iac@lists.riseup.net Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/

Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy

Hi

What IAC stands for is simple, clear and direct.

https://we.riseup.net/india_against_corruption/what-iac-stands-for

The problem is all these Gandhis who keep coming in the way and interfering with our objective.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM, KN VENUGOPAL <gandhigiri2007@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

hi,   what does IAC stand for   here in this group it is mainly   you are----- no i am not anna hazare is no he is not yes he  is then   kejriwal is no he is not   atleast all of you are busily engageD in our ancient YADAVA tradition atleast it keeps you engaged   a LEADER should be a TALL man   all the best GANDHIGIRI

Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy

hi,   what does IAC stand for   here in this group it is mainly   you are----- no i am not anna hazare is no he is not yes he  is then   kejriwal is no he is not   atleast all of you are busily engageD in our ancient YADAVA tradition atleast it keeps you engaged   a LEADER should be a TALL man   all the best GANDHIGIRI --- On Sun, 16/12/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy To: "iac" <iac@lists.riseup.net> Date: Sunday, 16 December, 2012, 1:34 PM Dear Navnith I am caused to respond to your email, since you have hung your arguments on a personal attack on me which impugns my own religious beliefs. Just to correct you. 1) I am proudly from that faith/religion, (Brahmanism) which provably introduced the UNITING word "Hindu" (or Hindoo) into the English language (India was then under English rule). 2) I am proudly from that faith, which completely denounced and exposed the attempts of Westerners (such as Max Muller) to pirate India's ancient religious scriptures and pass off distorted fabrications and outright fakes in the Western media. Institutes such as the Bhandarkar Institute keep up this culture/tradition in the face of intolerance. 3) I am from that faith which proudly declared and defended the superiority of Hinduism over all other existing religions.  That position was well defined by 1874 but  we now also say that what passes for Hinduism in the marketplace of religion is too perverted and corrupted to be called Hinduism any longer.   4) I am from that faith which provably defined the word and conception of  "Hindutva" in the first place and into the English language. BTW all these things are in standard and reputed History books NOT written by the LEFTY Brigade. 5) As originally conceived in 1880s, the  Congress was a radical party. In fact my ancestor was incidentally the Convenor and Chairman of the Reception Committee of the 1893 Congress Session in Lahore when his initiate/protege Lala Lajpat Rai was made the Chairman of the session (and Dadabhai Naoroji the President)  on his motion.  And incidentally founded the National College Lahore from where Bhagat Singh studied. 6) When Lala Lajpat Rai was bludgeoned by police in1928, the Hindustan Republican Army finally took off into radical violence to rid our soil from imperial rule and carry on the religious work of  "Lal/Bal/Pal" to exterminate (ie "HIT") foreign pests. This we say is what got India true independence and not the ahimsa of the later Congress Party quislings. As an 'upacharya' of my faith I can argue and debate you on any proposition concerning Hindutva and Hinduism and Nationalism and Patriotism till you are blue in the face. But, as I am merely associated with this movement at invitation of the HRA, I shall keep my personal opinions to myself, so that this INDIAN, SECULAR, NON-SECTARIAN, NON-POLITICAL REVOLUTIONARY PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT - THE "IAC"  can go about ridding India of "corruption" by all means sanctioned by the Constitution of India and the Manifesto of the HRA. Sarbajit On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks to Mr.Roy's incoherent and intemperate outbursts we have digressed from our main theme that is fight against corruption.How ever since the 'politically much abused" word secularism has been brought in,I would like to put in two words. Compared to the principles of 'true path' and other concepts of 'intolerance of other faiths' practiced by semitic religeons,Hinduism is basically secular.So ingrained is this Hindu concept of secularism in our national culture that it did not even occur to the architects of our Constitution that they should specially mention it as one of its preambulary principles. It is only during the anti-democratic Emergency rule (1975–77) imposed by Indira Gandhi that secularism found a place in the Constitution through the route of amendment without any discussion in Parliament.(opposition leaders were in jail). As every one knows Indira Gandhi was not burdened by any priniciple either personally, ideologically or otherwise. Unfortunately those leaders who chartered our destiny after our independence had their owm version of secularism.Nehru's secularism was based on atheism where as her daughter's was based on vote bank and minorityism which her followers are following even today. it is being interpreted and practiced in terms that negate the essential cultural and civilisational personality of India. In the context of the Ayodhya movement, Lord Ram and Babur were sought to be equated in the name of secularism. Medieval India was an Islamic empire where Muslims were rulers and Hindus the ruled. Never equals. It was the relation between a master and his slave, the predator and the prey. Hindus were disunited and timid to put up any real resistance. Many of them became collaborators for small favors. Yet the Congress appointed Press Council Chairman,Ex Justice Katju says Hindu-Muslim strife started after the arrival of the British. Whatever the so called 'patriotic' historians may write, 1857 rebellion was a revolt of the 'coolie army' of the East India Company against their masters. The rudderless rebels went to Delhi and tried to resurrect the descendents of the Hindu biter Aurangzeb and make a senile Bahdur Shah Zafar as India's Emperor. It was the British who saved Hindus from slavery and gave a level ground for them to develop their natural intellectual genius. If Turks, Afghans or Persians were ruling India, Mahatma Gandhi would not have survived even one day.Our Ex.Lordship's knowledge of Indian history requires brushing up. If 1857 revolt was successful, India would have been another Middle east with squabbling and corrupt Sheikhs and their duffedars. History is a sacred relic and any attempt to paint over it, is immoral to say the least. And that is what Nehru and Indira Gandhi were doing stuffing ICHR with characters like Romila Thapar,Irfan Habib,KN Panikkar and others. navnith -----Inline Attachment Follows----- WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in Post: iac@lists.riseup.net Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/

Re: [IAC++] Anna Hazare is himself his own biggest enemy

Dear Navnith

I am caused to respond to your email, since you have hung your arguments on a personal attack on me which impugns my own religious beliefs.

Just to correct you.

1) I am proudly from that faith/religion, (Brahmanism) which provably introduced the UNITING word "Hindu" (or Hindoo) into the English language (India was then under English rule).

2) I am proudly from that faith, which completely denounced and exposed the attempts of Westerners (such as Max Muller) to pirate India's ancient religious scriptures and pass off distorted fabrications and outright fakes in the Western media. Institutes such as the Bhandarkar Institute keep up this culture/tradition in the face of intolerance.

3) I am from that faith which proudly declared and defended the superiority of Hinduism over all other existing religions.  That position was well defined by 1874 but  we now also say that what passes for Hinduism in the marketplace of religion is too perverted and corrupted to be called Hinduism any longer.

 
4) I am from that faith which provably defined the word and conception of  "Hindutva" in the first place and into the English language.

BTW all these things are in standard and reputed History books NOT written by the LEFTY Brigade.

5) As originally conceived in 1880s, the  Congress was a radical party. In fact my ancestor was incidentally the Convenor and Chairman of the Reception Committee of the 1893 Congress Session in Lahore when his initiate/protege Lala Lajpat Rai was made the Chairman of the session (and Dadabhai Naoroji the President)  on his motion.  And incidentally founded the National College Lahore from where Bhagat Singh studied.

6) When Lala Lajpat Rai was bludgeoned by police in1928, the Hindustan Republican Army finally took off into radical violence to rid our soil from imperial rule and carry on the religious work of  "Lal/Bal/Pal" to exterminate (ie "HIT") foreign pests. This we say is what got India true independence and not the ahimsa of the later Congress Party quislings.

As an 'upacharya' of my faith I can argue and debate you on any proposition concerning Hindutva and Hinduism and Nationalism and Patriotism till you are blue in the face.

But, as I am merely associated with this movement at invitation of the HRA, I shall keep my personal opinions to myself, so that this INDIAN, SECULAR, NON-SECTARIAN, NON-POLITICAL REVOLUTIONARY PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT - THE "IAC"  can go about ridding India of "corruption" by all means sanctioned by the Constitution of India and the Manifesto of the HRA.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks to Mr.Roy's incoherent and intemperate outbursts we have digressed from our main theme that is fight against corruption.How ever since the 'politically much abused" word secularism has been brought in,I would like to put in two words.

Compared to the principles of 'true path' and other concepts of 'intolerance of other faiths' practiced by semitic religeons,Hinduism is basically secular.So ingrained is this Hindu concept of secularism in our national culture that it did not even occur to the architects of our Constitution that they should specially mention it as one of its preambulary principles. It is only during the anti-democratic Emergency rule (1975–77) imposed by Indira Gandhi that secularism found a place in the Constitution through the route of amendment without any discussion in Parliament.(opposition leaders were in jail). As every one knows Indira Gandhi was not burdened by any priniciple either personally, ideologically or otherwise. Unfortunately those leaders who chartered our destiny after our independence had their owm version of secularism.Nehru's secularism was based on atheism where as her daughter's was based on vote bank and minorityism which her followers are following even today. it is being interpreted and practiced in terms that negate the essential cultural and civilisational personality of India. In the context of the Ayodhya movement, Lord Ram and Babur were sought to be equated in the name of secularism.

Medieval India was an Islamic empire where Muslims were rulers and Hindus the ruled. Never equals. It was the relation between a master and his slave, the predator and the prey. Hindus were disunited and timid to put up any real resistance. Many of them became collaborators for small favors. Yet the Congress appointed Press Council Chairman,Ex Justice Katju says Hindu-Muslim strife started after the arrival of the British. Whatever the so called 'patriotic' historians may write, 1857 rebellion was a revolt of the 'coolie army' of the East India Company against their masters. The rudderless rebels went to Delhi and tried to resurrect the descendents of the Hindu biter Aurangzeb and make a senile Bahdur Shah Zafar as India's Emperor. It was the British who saved Hindus from slavery and gave a level ground for them to develop their natural intellectual genius. If Turks, Afghans or Persians were ruling India, Mahatma Gandhi would not have survived even one day.Our Ex.Lordship's knowledge of Indian history requires brushing up.

If 1857 revolt was successful, India would have been another Middle east with squabbling and corrupt Sheikhs and their duffedars.

History is a sacred relic and any attempt to paint over it, is immoral to say the least. And that is what Nehru and Indira Gandhi were doing stuffing ICHR with characters like Romila Thapar,Irfan Habib,KN Panikkar and others.

navnith